Religions > Atheism > Re: Why most of the religions are intolerant to other religions ?
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11 Apr 2006 01:20:56 AM |
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Re: Why most of the religions are intolerant to other religions ? |
On 2006-04-10 20:20:12 -0700, "umesh" <fraternitydisposal@gmail.com> said:
Please let me know why most of the religions are intolerant to other
religions. This intolerance has resulted in the persecution of people
from the other religion. Who are we to distinguish pleple on the basis
of their religion ?
Intolerance is an attribute of the ethical monotheists.
Polytheistic religions like the Hellinists and the Hindus are very open
to their neighbor's religions. Buddhist monks who I have met also
enjoy the contrasts of other religions. In both these cases when one
religion spreads to another country (as Rome spread Hellenism and India
spread Buddhism) they tended to absorb an synthesis the religions they
merged with. Shinto and Taoism easily merged with Buddhism for example.
The history of the religions of Abraham are characterized as non-stop
bickering, wars, imperialism and genocide in the name of the one true
god as defined by competing groups.
One needs to look no further than the US religious right, Israel's
policies, and the Islamic Jahadists to see the degree of intolerance
intrinsic in the monotheistic religions.
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~Stu
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11 Apr 2006 02:17:57 PM |
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"Stu" <Nospam@towel.com> wrote
"umesh" <fraternitydisposal@gmail.com> said:
Please let me know why most of the religions are intolerant to other
religions. This intolerance has resulted in the persecution of people
from the other religion. Who are we to distinguish pleple on the basis
of their religion ?
Certain people with little 'earned' status feel 'small' and to try and get
rid of the feeling try to use religion to arrogate 'unearned' status to
themselves to add to their 'earned' status. And following this act of
'contamination', they seem to become obsessed with seeing 'impurity' and
potential 'contamination' all over the place e.g. in other religions.
Because, as Clint Eastwood's character in High Plains Drifter has pointed
out, "It's what people know about themselves that makes them afraid".
Jonathan
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| User: "Pastor Frank" |
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11 Apr 2006 07:23:05 AM |
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"Stu" <Nospam@towel.com> wrote in message
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On 2006-04-10 20:20:12 -0700, "umesh" <fraternitydisposal@gmail.com> said:
Please let me know why most of the religions are intolerant to other
religions. This intolerance has resulted in the persecution of people
from the other religion. Who are we to distinguish pleple on the basis
of their religion ?
Intolerance is an attribute of the ethical monotheists.
Polytheistic religions like the Hellinists and the Hindus are very open to
their neighbor's religions. Buddhist monks who I have met also enjoy the
contrasts of other religions. In both these cases when one religion
spreads to another country (as Rome spread Hellenism and India spread
Buddhism) they tended to absorb an synthesis the religions they merged
with. Shinto and Taoism easily merged with Buddhism for example.
The history of the religions of Abraham are characterized as non-stop
bickering, wars, imperialism and genocide in the name of the one true god
as defined by competing groups.
One needs to look no further than the US religious right, Israel's
policies, and the Islamic Jahadists to see the degree of intolerance
intrinsic in the monotheistic religions.
~Stu
"Intolerance"? Yet, it's not about religion, but about land, who owns it
and has the weaponry and brutality to enforce their claim. But then you have
to be a militant atheist to claim God is in the real estate business. What
these people don't realize is, that they will be judged as they judge
others, regardless whether they are religious or atheists.
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| User: "Roger Johansson" |
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12 Apr 2006 10:01:24 AM |
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Pastor Frank wrote:
"Stu" <Nospam@towel.com> wrote in message
Intolerance is an attribute of the ethical monotheists.
Polytheistic religions like the Hellinists and the Hindus are very open to
"Intolerance"? Yet, it's not about religion, but about land, who owns it
and has the weaponry and brutality to enforce their claim.
Religion is built on social inequalities, men have more power than
women, initiated members are treated differently than non-members,
masters and slaves, gods and mere mortals, rich people poor people.
So the economic inequalities are just a part of a cultural pattern of
inequality.
Social inequality must be upheld, by avoiding contact, avoiding
communication, avoiding knowledge, don't eat from the tree of
knowledge, a violent society.
It is all like a bully system, social violence is what counts, mental
strength, invisible secret social violence, manlyness, so called
bullying, in schools, in workplaces, in public places. To create a
strong mind, the holy wrath, then add one trained and dedicated woman
to blow life into the manly shape, and we created have the holy spirit.
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Roger J.
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| User: "Pastor Frank" |
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12 Apr 2006 07:00:07 PM |
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"Roger Johansson" <roger4911@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Pastor Frank wrote:
"Stu" <Nospam@towel.com> wrote in message
Intolerance is an attribute of the ethical monotheists.
Polytheistic religions like the Hellinists and the Hindus are very open
to
"Intolerance"? Yet, it's not about religion, but about land, who owns
it
and has the weaponry and brutality to enforce their claim.
Religion is built on social inequalities, men have more power than
women, initiated members are treated differently than non-members,
masters and slaves, gods and mere mortals, rich people poor people.
So the economic inequalities are just a part of a cultural pattern of
inequality.
Social inequality must be upheld, by avoiding contact, avoiding
communication, avoiding knowledge, don't eat from the tree of
knowledge, a violent society.
It is all like a bully system, social violence is what counts, mental
strength, invisible secret social violence, manlyness, so called
bullying, in schools, in workplaces, in public places. To create a
strong mind, the holy wrath, then add one trained and dedicated woman
to blow life into the manly shape, and we created have the holy spirit.
All non sequitur to the teaching and perfection of Jesus Christ, the
prince of peace. Naturally atheist minions will try to subvert His message
by pointing out the failings of men. But then again, atheists ALWAYS point
to shortcomings and failings, never to accomplishments and victories.
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| User: "Roger Johansson" |
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12 Apr 2006 11:39:29 PM |
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Pastor Frank wrote:
Religion is built on social inequalities, men have more power than
women, initiated members are treated differently than non-members,
masters and slaves, gods and mere mortals, rich people poor people.
So the economic inequalities are just a part of a cultural pattern of
inequality.
Social inequality must be upheld, by avoiding contact, avoiding
communication, avoiding knowledge, don't eat from the tree of
knowledge, a violent society.
It is all like a bully system, social violence is what counts, mental
strength, invisible secret social violence, manlyness, so called
bullying, in schools, in workplaces, in public places. To create a
strong mind, the holy wrath, then add one trained and dedicated woman
to blow life into the manly shape, and we created have the holy spirit.
All non sequitur to the teaching and perfection of Jesus Christ, the
prince of peace. Naturally atheist minions will try to subvert His message
by pointing out the failings of men. But then again, atheists ALWAYS point
to shortcomings and failings, never to accomplishments and victories.
What do you say about theists then, who are blind to all the suffering
their system causes, and say that some unknown force called evil cause
all the problems. They never blame their own system, although they have
had the power in the western society for thousands of years.
Are the theists proud of the history of the last 3000 years?
Are they aware of how much human suffering this creationist system has
caused?
The meaning, the purpose of spiritual life.
Spiritual life = blood = the force = passion = speed
The meaning of speed is that you become a lot faster mentally, you can
think a lot faster, which gives you the impression that you are very
clever.
You gain social selfconfidence and social power, you can control weaker
minds with your body language. You become allwise, almighty,
omnipotent, you become a God, a master over slaves, the top dog in the
bully gang, the street wise who can scare the ***** out of weaker minds.
But, do natural humans really have ***** in their heads?
If they have been dominated by some idiot, yes probably.
In other cases there could be ideas, thinking, memories, in such a
natural human brain.
We are all forced to live under the rule of a bully gang, they call it
living in fear of God. We are all stressed, some experience that stress
as very positive, as love, as a drug, as the best man has ever
invented.
They rule the christian world.
A lot of people would rather live without stress, but they are ignored
and silented by the ruling social elite.
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Roger J.
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| User: "Pastor Frank" |
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13 Apr 2006 03:52:39 AM |
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"Roger Johansson" <roger4911@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1144903169.823764.14310@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Pastor Frank wrote:
Religion is built on social inequalities, men have more power than
women, initiated members are treated differently than non-members,
masters and slaves, gods and mere mortals, rich people poor people.
So the economic inequalities are just a part of a cultural pattern of
inequality.
Social inequality must be upheld, by avoiding contact, avoiding
communication, avoiding knowledge, don't eat from the tree of
knowledge, a violent society.
It is all like a bully system, social violence is what counts, mental
strength, invisible secret social violence, manlyness, so called
bullying, in schools, in workplaces, in public places. To create a
strong mind, the holy wrath, then add one trained and dedicated woman
to blow life into the manly shape, and we created have the holy spirit.
All non sequitur to the teaching and perfection of Jesus Christ, the
prince of peace. Naturally atheist minions will try to subvert His
message
by pointing out the failings of men. But then again, atheists ALWAYS
point
to shortcomings and failings, never to accomplishments and victories.
What do you say about theists then, who are blind to all the suffering
their system causes, and say that some unknown force called evil cause
all the problems. They never blame their own system, although they have
had the power in the western society for thousands of years.
Yes sure, aren't we all familiar with the sexually profligate who blame
God for not being able to keep their pants up, on account of their lust God
created them with. "All the suffering God causes" indeed!!!!!
Are you another "victim"?
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| User: "Doc Smartass" |
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13 Apr 2006 08:45:38 PM |
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"Pastor Frank" <PastorFrank@christfirst.org> wrote in
news:46b05$443efa59$d1d89a73$4539@PRIMUS.CA:
Are you another "victim"?
Are you still a ranting drunkard with a ***** obsession?
--
Doc Smartass
Most truths are so naked that people feel sorry for them and cover them up,
at least a little bit.
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| User: "Sean" |
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14 Apr 2006 12:22:44 AM |
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"Doc Smartass" <gekido@astroskivviesboymail.com> wrote in message
news:Xns97A4D3C8BF77Faskifyouwantit@216.77.188.18...
"Pastor Frank" <PastorFrank@christfirst.org> wrote in
news:46b05$443efa59$d1d89a73$4539@PRIMUS.CA:
Are you another "victim"?
Are you still a ranting drunkard with a ***** obsession?
Short History lesson
http://www.slate.com/id/2121835/slideshow/2121919
--
Doc Smartass
Most truths are so naked that people feel sorry for them and cover them
up,
at least a little bit.
--Edward R. Murrow
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14 Apr 2006 06:14:50 PM |
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"Sean" <santimvah_notspam@yahoo.com> wrote in news:_v-dnbtmUKU4rKLZRVn-
gA@inspired.net.au:
"Doc Smartass" <gekido@astroskivviesboymail.com> wrote in message
news:Xns97A4D3C8BF77Faskifyouwantit@216.77.188.18...
"Pastor Frank" <PastorFrank@christfirst.org> wrote in
news:46b05$443efa59$d1d89a73$4539@PRIMUS.CA:
Are you another "victim"?
Are you still a ranting drunkard with a ***** obsession?
Short History lesson
http://www.slate.com/id/2121835/slideshow/2121919
Hey, Robyn--here's a Magic Wand!
http://www.slate.com/id/2121835/slideshow/2121919/fs/0//entry/2121916/
--
Doc Smartass
Most truths are so naked that people feel sorry for them and cover them
up, at least a little bit.
--Edward R. Murrow
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14 Apr 2006 06:22:31 AM |
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Pastor Frank wrote:
"Roger Johansson" <roger4911@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1144903169.823764.14310@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Pastor Frank wrote:
Religion is built on social inequalities, men have more power than
women, initiated members are treated differently than non-members,
masters and slaves, gods and mere mortals, rich people poor people.
So the economic inequalities are just a part of a cultural pattern of
inequality.
Social inequality must be upheld, by avoiding contact, avoiding
communication, avoiding knowledge, don't eat from the tree of
knowledge, a violent society.
It is all like a bully system, social violence is what counts, mental
strength, invisible secret social violence, manlyness, so called
bullying, in schools, in workplaces, in public places. To create a
strong mind, the holy wrath, then add one trained and dedicated woman
to blow life into the manly shape, and we created have the holy spirit.
All non sequitur to the teaching and perfection of Jesus Christ, the
prince of peace. Naturally atheist minions will try to subvert His
message
by pointing out the failings of men. But then again, atheists ALWAYS
point
to shortcomings and failings, never to accomplishments and victories.
What do you say about theists then, who are blind to all the suffering
their system causes, and say that some unknown force called evil cause
all the problems. They never blame their own system, although they have
had the power in the western society for thousands of years.
Yes sure, aren't we all familiar with the sexually profligate who blame
God for not being able to keep their pants up, on account of their lust God
created them with. "All the suffering God causes" indeed!!!!!
Are you another "victim"?
- ahem. someone said a few moments ago:
"What these people don't realize is, that they will be judged as they
judge
others, regardless whether they are religious or atheists."
.. . . ......
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14 Apr 2006 01:24:41 AM |
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Pastor Frank wrote:
Yes sure, aren't we all familiar with the sexually profligate who
blame God for not being able to keep their pants up, on account of
their lust God created them with. "All the suffering God causes"
indeed!!!!! Are you another "victim"?
They should listen to Pastor Frank and realize that their lust is their god,
look down and stroke it, for Frankie tells us "God simply means,that quality
which is most important in my life."
Clearly the man's lust is just another god, concrete, abstract, or both.
"There are innumerable gods, both concrete and abstract ones. "
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11 Apr 2006 01:31:57 AM |
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....Religion sometimes defined as: hum, how can it be broke down in
might?
What is God's will? If one knows what God's will is then religion is
nothing but which chief men's curse will win?
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Stu wrote:
On 2006-04-10 20:20:12 -0700, "umesh" <fraternitydisposal@gmail.com> said:
Please let me know why most of the religions are intolerant to other
religions. This intolerance has resulted in the persecution of people
from the other religion. Who are we to distinguish pleple on the basis
of their religion ?
Intolerance is an attribute of the ethical monotheists.
Polytheistic religions like the Hellinists and the Hindus are very open
to their neighbor's religions. Buddhist monks who I have met also
enjoy the contrasts of other religions. In both these cases when one
religion spreads to another country (as Rome spread Hellenism and India
spread Buddhism) they tended to absorb an synthesis the religions they
merged with. Shinto and Taoism easily merged with Buddhism for example.
The history of the religions of Abraham are characterized as non-stop
bickering, wars, imperialism and genocide in the name of the one true
god as defined by competing groups.
One needs to look no further than the US religious right, Israel's
policies, and the Islamic Jahadists to see the degree of intolerance
intrinsic in the monotheistic religions.
--
~Stu
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11 Apr 2006 09:58:44 AM |
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Intolerance is an attribute of the ethical monotheists.
Obviously, they believe their solution is the only way. I've
experienced this first-hand.
Polytheistic religions like the Hellinists and the Hindus are very open
to their neighbor's religions. Buddhist monks who I have met also
enjoy the contrasts of other religions. In both these cases when one
religion spreads to another country (as Rome spread Hellenism and India
spread Buddhism) they tended to absorb an synthesis the religions they
merged with. Shinto and Taoism easily merged with Buddhism for example.
I'm reading a book right now about the laughing buddha of tofukiji, he
was very very interested in American culture and tried to understand
all of it he could (while taking comments such as "look at the crazy
monk" or "where are you wrestling" all in stride. Someone asked him do
you believe in the existance of God? He thought for a moment and came
back later with his answer. Upon meeting a few devout catholics, he
realized that even Buddhists wander in darkness, as do Christians, but
these were fully enlightened! He said "Ah..their God exists in their
mind just as Buddha Nature exists in mine." I liked that, maybe someone
else will too.
The history of the religions of Abraham are characterized as non-stop
bickering, wars, imperialism and genocide in the name of the one true
god as defined by competing groups.
All in the name of...you guess it! God!
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| User: "Pastor Frank" |
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11 Apr 2006 11:17:08 PM |
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<runlikeanantelopecph@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Intolerance is an attribute of the ethical monotheists.
Obviously, they believe their solution is the only way. I've
experienced this first-hand.
Polytheistic religions like the Hellinists and the Hindus are very open
to their neighbor's religions. Buddhist monks who I have met also
enjoy the contrasts of other religions. In both these cases when one
religion spreads to another country (as Rome spread Hellenism and India
spread Buddhism) they tended to absorb an synthesis the religions they
merged with. Shinto and Taoism easily merged with Buddhism for example.
I'm reading a book right now about the laughing buddha of tofukiji, he
was very very interested in American culture and tried to understand
all of it he could (while taking comments such as "look at the crazy
monk" or "where are you wrestling" all in stride. Someone asked him do
you believe in the existance of God? He thought for a moment and came
back later with his answer. Upon meeting a few devout catholics, he
realized that even Buddhists wander in darkness, as do Christians, but
these were fully enlightened! He said "Ah..their God exists in their
mind just as Buddha Nature exists in mine." I liked that, maybe someone
else will too.
The history of the religions of Abraham are characterized as non-stop
bickering, wars, imperialism and genocide in the name of the one true
god as defined by competing groups.
All in the name of...you guess it! God!
The meaning of the word "God" is "a spirit" (John 4:24), that is a
quality such as the ideal of perfection as manifested fully, becoming
knowable and visible in Jesus Christ. See below Christ's own words.
Pastor Frank
"GOD" THE CHRISTIAN MEANING OF THE WORD ACCORDING TO SCRIPTURE:
Jesus in Jn:4:24: "GOD IS A SPIRIT, and they that worship him must
worship him in spirit and in truth."
Jesus in John 14:6-10: Jesus saith unto him: "I am the way, the truth,
and the life; no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. If ye had known me,
ye should have known my Father also, and from henceforth YE KNOW HIM AND
HAVE SEEN HIM."
Philip saith unto him: "Lord, show us the Father, and it sufficeth us."
Jesus saith unto him: "Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast
thou not known me, Philip? HE THAT HAS SEEN ME HATH SEEN THE FATHER;
and how sayest thou then: Show us the Father? Believest thou not that I am
in the Father, and the Father in me? The words that I speak unto you I speak
not of myself, but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works."
Jesus in Jn:10:30: I and my Father are one.
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| User: "Stu" |
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14 Apr 2006 12:47:00 AM |
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On 2006-04-11 21:17:08 -0700, "Pastor Frank"
<PastorFrank@christfirst.org> said:
<runlikeanantelopecph@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1144767524.588628.141360@z34g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
Intolerance is an attribute of the ethical monotheists.
Obviously, they believe their solution is the only way. I've
experienced this first-hand.
Polytheistic religions like the Hellinists and the Hindus are very open
to their neighbor's religions. Buddhist monks who I have met also
enjoy the contrasts of other religions. In both these cases when one
religion spreads to another country (as Rome spread Hellenism and India
spread Buddhism) they tended to absorb an synthesis the religions they
merged with. Shinto and Taoism easily merged with Buddhism for example.
I'm reading a book right now about the laughing buddha of tofukiji, he
was very very interested in American culture and tried to understand
all of it he could (while taking comments such as "look at the crazy
monk" or "where are you wrestling" all in stride. Someone asked him do
you believe in the existance of God? He thought for a moment and came
back later with his answer. Upon meeting a few devout catholics, he
realized that even Buddhists wander in darkness, as do Christians, but
these were fully enlightened! He said "Ah..their God exists in their
mind just as Buddha Nature exists in mine." I liked that, maybe someone
else will too.
The history of the religions of Abraham are characterized as non-stop
bickering, wars, imperialism and genocide in the name of the one true
god as defined by competing groups.
All in the name of...you guess it! God!
The meaning of the word "God" is "a spirit" (John 4:24), that is a
quality such as the ideal of perfection as manifested fully, becoming
knowable and visible in Jesus Christ. See below Christ's own words.
Pastor Frank
"GOD" THE CHRISTIAN MEANING OF THE WORD ACCORDING TO SCRIPTURE:
Jesus in Jn:4:24: "GOD IS A SPIRIT, and they that worship him must
worship him in spirit and in truth."
Jesus in John 14:6-10: Jesus saith unto him: "I am the way, the truth,
and the life; no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. If ye had known me,
ye should have known my Father also, and from henceforth YE KNOW HIM AND
HAVE SEEN HIM."
Philip saith unto him: "Lord, show us the Father, and it sufficeth us."
Jesus saith unto him: "Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast
thou not known me, Philip? HE THAT HAS SEEN ME HATH SEEN THE FATHER;
and how sayest thou then: Show us the Father? Believest thou not that I am
in the Father, and the Father in me? The words that I speak unto you I speak
not of myself, but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works."
Jesus in Jn:10:30: I and my Father are one.
Sounds like a child looking to daddy for help. Where is the personal
responsibility here? Where is the ability to measure a situation and
weigh the ethical values before acting? Where is the quality of life
on this earth? Why live life for a mythical other world?
Why not grow up, and use the brain god gave you?
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~Stu
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| User: "Turner" |
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11 Apr 2006 04:30:10 AM |
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One needs to look no further than the US religious right, Israel's
policies, and the Islamic Jahadists to see the degree of intolerance
intrinsic in the monotheistic religions.
Couldn't agree more. They should hold a "world series" to determine
which is the least tolerant, is willing to kill more "enemy", is best
at dehumanising the others, and most willing to glorify
"collateral damage"
Amasing how similar they actually are. None of then respect anyone
elses rights or even see them as human. Bin Ladens expendible
"infidels" (they are all going to hell anyway, so might as well kill
them
now and good old allah will surely smile in appreciation), Bush's
"with us or ginst us" (if you ginst us, trade sanctions and
bombs will surely follow) and the Jews dont bother much with small
talk,
they just build a wall to keep the "riff-raff" out, and police it with
guns,
mortars and missiles
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| User: "Joe Tucker" |
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11 Apr 2006 09:31:39 PM |
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According to Webster's Third New International Dictionary, the English word
tolerance is of French origin. Says the French Vocabulaire de la Philosophie
by André Lalande: The [French] word tolerance was born in the 16th century
as a result of the religious wars between Catholics and Protestants. The
Catholics ended up tolerating the Protestants and vice versa.
True christans in the first century never persecuted anyone. It was only
after the apostasy set in that Christians became intolerant persecutors.
Foretelling this apostasy, the apostle Paul wrote: The time is coming when
men will not tolerate wholesome teaching . . . They will no longer listen to
the truth, but will wander off after man-made myths. (2 Timothy 4:3, 4, The
New Testament in Modern English by J. B. Phillips) The creeds of Christendom's
churches contain many man-made myths, and it was precisely over such myths
that apostate Christians became persecutors. For example, the myth of three
divine Persons in one God gave rise to violent dissension and persecution
among so-called Christians in the fourth century C.E. Anti-Trinitarians
continued to be persecuted throughout the centuries.
"Stu" <Nospam@towel.com> wrote in message
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On 2006-04-10 20:20:12 -0700, "umesh" <fraternitydisposal@gmail.com> said:
Please let me know why most of the religions are intolerant to other
religions. This intolerance has resulted in the persecution of people
from the other religion. Who are we to distinguish pleple on the basis
of their religion ?
Intolerance is an attribute of the ethical monotheists.
Polytheistic religions like the Hellinists and the Hindus are very open to
their neighbor's religions. Buddhist monks who I have met also enjoy the
contrasts of other religions. In both these cases when one religion
spreads to another country (as Rome spread Hellenism and India spread
Buddhism) they tended to absorb an synthesis the religions they merged
with. Shinto and Taoism easily merged with Buddhism for example.
The history of the religions of Abraham are characterized as non-stop
bickering, wars, imperialism and genocide in the name of the one true god
as defined by competing groups.
One needs to look no further than the US religious right, Israel's
policies, and the Islamic Jahadists to see the degree of intolerance
intrinsic in the monotheistic religions.
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~Stu
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11 Apr 2006 04:48:06 AM |
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In article <2006041023205627544-Nospam@towelcom>,
says...
Polytheistic religions like the Hellinists and the Hindus are very open
to their neighbor's religions.
Obviously you have a very idealized view of politics in India.
--
Never met a women so mechanically inept that she could not use a
flexiteller or a heater.
Observations of Bernard - No 98
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| User: "Pastor Frank" |
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| Title: Re: Why most of the religions are intolerant to other religions ? |
11 Apr 2006 07:25:14 AM |
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"BernardZ" <bernardZ@Nospam.com> wrote in message
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In article <2006041023205627544-Nospam@towelcom>,
says...
Polytheistic religions like the Hellinists and the Hindus are very open
to their neighbor's religions.
Obviously you have a very idealized view of politics in India.
Yes. Christians were severely persecuted by "polytheistic" Romans.
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| User: "mimus" |
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11 Apr 2006 06:04:21 PM |
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On Tue, 11 Apr 2006 08:25:14 -0400, Pastor Frank wrote:
"BernardZ" <bernardZ@Nospam.com> wrote in message
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In article <2006041023205627544-Nospam@towelcom>,
says...
Polytheistic religions like the Hellinists and the Hindus are very open
to their neighbor's religions.
Obviously you have a very idealized view of politics in India.
Yes. Christians were severely persecuted by "polytheistic" Romans.
*****. Read Gibbon for such details as there are about such "severe
persecutions".
And then read about the constant mob actions launched by Christians during
their drive to power in the cities around the Mediterranean, complete with
mob-murders and mob-arsons, Christianity exploding as an urban mob
totalitarian movement, and such campaigns gloated over again and again by
"the Fathers of the Church".
If the Late Roman Empire can be faulted for its treatment of such zealots
and thugs and mobsters, it is on the grounds that it was far too soft with
regard to such religious violence, and so fell prey to it.
And guess what happened once Christianity came to power there, with regard
to the other denominations of Christianity ("heretics"), the remaining
polytheists ("pagans" and "heathens") and the philosophical schools?
Now go try to find a surviving contemporary philosophical or historical
account critical of Christian mobsterism.
--
And now the saints began their reign,
For which th' had yearned so long in vain,
And felt such bowel-hankerings,
To see an empire, all of kings,
Delivered from th' Egyptian awe
Of justice, government and law.
< _Hudibras_
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| User: "Pastor Frank" |
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12 Apr 2006 05:30:47 AM |
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"mimus" <tinmimus99@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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On Tue, 11 Apr 2006 08:25:14 -0400, Pastor Frank wrote:
"BernardZ" <bernardZ@Nospam.com> wrote in message
news:MPG.1ea6266538d2fdb7989911@news...
In article <2006041023205627544-Nospam@towelcom>,
says...
Polytheistic religions like the Hellinists and the Hindus are very open
to their neighbor's religions.
Obviously you have a very idealized view of politics in India.
Yes. Christians were severely persecuted by "polytheistic" Romans.
*****. Read Gibbon for such details as there are about such "severe
persecutions".
Ever hear of martyrology, the record of Christians persecuted? Check
forum, lions etc. etc. Looks like you are a holocaust denier also.
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| User: "Stu" |
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14 Apr 2006 12:40:18 AM |
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On 2006-04-12 03:30:47 -0700, "Pastor Frank"
<PastorFrank@christfirst.org> said:
"mimus" <tinmimus99@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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On Tue, 11 Apr 2006 08:25:14 -0400, Pastor Frank wrote:
"BernardZ" <bernardZ@Nospam.com> wrote in message
news:MPG.1ea6266538d2fdb7989911@news...
In article <2006041023205627544-Nospam@towelcom>,
says...
Polytheistic religions like the Hellinists and the Hindus are very open
to their neighbor's religions.
Obviously you have a very idealized view of politics in India.
Yes. Christians were severely persecuted by "polytheistic" Romans.
*****. Read Gibbon for such details as there are about such "severe
persecutions".
Ever hear of martyrology, the record of Christians persecuted?
Check forum, lions etc. etc. Looks like you are a holocaust denier also.
My understanding of it was that xians felt the need to be martyrs.
One's best shot at living the life of Christ was by dying from the
roman sword.
The Roman's however were very tolerant of other religions. For
example, despite the uprisings of the Hebrews, Jews were welcomed in
Rome, and lived through out the Empire with no problems. When Romans
invaded other countries they never forced their religion down the
throat of those who were invaded.
There are some court transcripts that have survived and the xians would
plead to be thrown to the lions. For the most part Roman magistrates
did not want to put anyone to death because of religious views.
Xianity posed no threat to the Romans.
The desire for Martyrdom was so strong that even after Constantine
officially accepted xianity for the Empire, people were still trying to
be Martyred. The birth of the monastic movement can be found around
this time. When Rome became xian there needed to be a new standard to
replace martyrdom. Going to the desert and denying earthly possessions
became the new was to prove one's self as a xian.
No holocaust denial, simply historical fact based on primary documents.
--
~Stu
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| User: "Pastor Frank" |
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15 Apr 2006 05:58:45 AM |
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"Stu" <> wrote in message
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On 2006-04-12 03:30:47 -0700, "Pastor Frank" <PastorFrank@christfirst.org>
said:
"mimus" <tinmimus99@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:6qpz3c8xjgzx.1xxjk0n4eirhi.dlg@40tude.net...
On Tue, 11 Apr 2006 08:25:14 -0400, Pastor Frank wrote:
"BernardZ" <bernardZ@Nospam.com> wrote in message
news:MPG.1ea6266538d2fdb7989911@news...
In article <2006041023205627544-Nospam@towelcom>,
says...
Polytheistic religions like the Hellinists and the Hindus are very
open
to their neighbor's religions.
Obviously you have a very idealized view of politics in India.
Yes. Christians were severely persecuted by "polytheistic" Romans.
*****. Read Gibbon for such details as there are about such "severe
persecutions".
Ever hear of martyrology, the record of Christians persecuted? Check
forum, lions etc. etc. Looks like you are a holocaust denier also.
My understanding of it was that xians felt the need to be martyrs. One's
best shot at living the life of Christ was by dying from the roman sword.
The Roman's however were very tolerant of other religions. For example,
despite the uprisings of the Hebrews, Jews were welcomed in Rome, and
lived through out the Empire with no problems. When Romans invaded other
countries they never forced their religion down the throat of those who
were invaded.
There are some court transcripts that have survived and the xians would
plead to be thrown to the lions. For the most part Roman magistrates did
not want to put anyone to death because of religious views. Xianity posed
no threat to the Romans.
The desire for Martyrdom was so strong that even after Constantine
officially accepted xianity for the Empire, people were still trying to be
Martyred. The birth of the monastic movement can be found around this
time. When Rome became xian there needed to be a new standard to replace
martyrdom. Going to the desert and denying earthly possessions became the
new was to prove one's self as a xian.
No holocaust denial, simply historical fact based on primary documents.
~Stu
Do I see you saying, that the Romans etc. etc. did Christians a favour
by killing them? Which leads me to ask you: Did your mother by any chance
have her doctor try to abort you by sucking out your brains in utero, but
you survived the procedure?
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| User: "Shawn" |
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| Title: Re: Why most of the religions are intolerant to other religions ? |
15 Apr 2006 09:20:59 PM |
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Why is Microsoft so intolerant of other's operating systems. ( & lets not
forget web browsers)
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| User: "mimus" |
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14 Apr 2006 10:27:56 AM |
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On Thu, 13 Apr 2006 22:40:18 -0700, Stu wrote:
On 2006-04-12 03:30:47 -0700, "Pastor Frank"
<PastorFrank@christfirst.org> said:
"mimus" <tinmimus99@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:6qpz3c8xjgzx.1xxjk0n4eirhi.dlg@40tude.net...
On Tue, 11 Apr 2006 08:25:14 -0400, Pastor Frank wrote:
"BernardZ" <bernardZ@Nospam.com> wrote in message
news:MPG.1ea6266538d2fdb7989911@news...
In article <2006041023205627544-Nospam@towelcom>,
says...
Polytheistic religions like the Hellinists and the Hindus are very open
to their neighbor's religions.
Obviously you have a very idealized view of politics in India.
Yes. Christians were severely persecuted by "polytheistic" Romans.
*****. Read Gibbon for such details as there are about such "severe
persecutions".
Ever hear of martyrology, the record of Christians persecuted?
Check forum, lions etc. etc. Looks like you are a holocaust denier also.
My understanding of it was that xians felt the need to be martyrs.
One's best shot at living the life of Christ was by dying from the
roman sword.
The Roman's however were very tolerant of other religions. For
example, despite the uprisings of the Hebrews, Jews were welcomed in
Rome, and lived through out the Empire with no problems. When Romans
invaded other countries they never forced their religion down the
throat of those who were invaded.
There are some court transcripts that have survived and the xians would
plead to be thrown to the lions. For the most part Roman magistrates
did not want to put anyone to death because of religious views.
Xianity posed no threat to the Romans.
The desire for Martyrdom was so strong that even after Constantine
officially accepted xianity for the Empire, people were still trying to
be Martyred. The birth of the monastic movement can be found around
this time. When Rome became xian there needed to be a new standard to
replace martyrdom. Going to the desert and denying earthly possessions
became the new was to prove one's self as a xian.
No holocaust denial, simply historical fact based on primary documents.
You left out, say, Hypatia of Alexandria.
--
In the previous number, the cattle rustlers (post-
Hegelian dogma) had trapped Professor Dewey in an
abandoned mine shaft (Jamesian pragmatism) and had
ignited the fuse leading to a keg of dynamite
(neo-Newtonian empiricism).
< S. J. Perelman
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| User: "mimus" |
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12 Apr 2006 12:38:08 PM |
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On Wed, 12 Apr 2006 06:30:47 -0400, Pastor Frank wrote:
"mimus" <tinmimus99@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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On Tue, 11 Apr 2006 08:25:14 -0400, Pastor Frank wrote:
"BernardZ" <bernardZ@Nospam.com> wrote in message
news:MPG.1ea6266538d2fdb7989911@news...
In article <2006041023205627544-Nospam@towelcom>,
says...
Polytheistic religions like the Hellinists and the Hindus are very open
to their neighbor's religions.
Obviously you have a very idealized view of politics in India.
Yes. Christians were severely persecuted by "polytheistic" Romans.
*****. Read Gibbon for such details as there are about such "severe
persecutions".
Ever hear of martyrology, the record of Christians persecuted? Check
forum, lions etc. etc. Looks like you are a holocaust denier also.
No, I count that one, as the defining action of Twentieth Century
"civilization"-- although it's a hard call, in that century of mass and
massive violence.
Now let's hear your explanation of what happened to Greco-Roman polytheism,
the Greco-Roman philosophical schools, the Gnostics and the Manicheans, and
any and all literature from that place and time critical of Christianity.
Did they all just "wither away"?
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And now the saints began their reign,
For which th' had yearned so long in vain,
And felt such bowel-hankerings,
To see an empire, all of kings,
Delivered from th' Egyptian awe
Of justice, government and law.
< _Hudibras_
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| User: "Sean" |
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13 Apr 2006 12:15:52 AM |
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"mimus" <tinmimus99@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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On Wed, 12 Apr 2006 06:30:47 -0400, Pastor Frank wrote:
"mimus" <tinmimus99@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:6qpz3c8xjgzx.1xxjk0n4eirhi.dlg@40tude.net...
On Tue, 11 Apr 2006 08:25:14 -0400, Pastor Frank wrote:
"BernardZ" <bernardZ@Nospam.com> wrote in message
news:MPG.1ea6266538d2fdb7989911@news...
In article <2006041023205627544-Nospam@towelcom>,
says...
Polytheistic religions like the Hellinists and the Hindus are very
open
to their neighbor's religions.
Obviously you have a very idealized view of politics in India.
Yes. Christians were severely persecuted by "polytheistic" Romans.
*****. Read Gibbon for such details as there are about such "severe
persecutions".
Ever hear of martyrology, the record of Christians persecuted? Check
forum, lions etc. etc. Looks like you are a holocaust denier also.
No, I count that one, as the defining action of Twentieth Century
"civilization"-- although it's a hard call, in that century of mass and
massive violence.
Now let's hear your explanation of what happened to Greco-Roman
polytheism,
the Greco-Roman philosophical schools, the Gnostics and the Manicheans,
and
any and all literature from that place and time critical of Christianity.
Did they all just "wither away"?
http://markhumphrys.com/christianity.killings.html eg
a.. The genocide of the Cathars (also here)
a.. In 1209, Pope Innocent III (also here) called for a crusade to
exterminate the Cathar people of France (the Albigensians), simply because
they had different superstitious beliefs to his own stupid beliefs. Men,
women and children were butchered by the Pope's forces.
b.. Rudolph J. Rummel estimates they butchered 200,000 innocent men, women
and children.
c.. The Church's War on the Cathars
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| User: "Pastor Frank" |
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13 Apr 2006 04:05:09 AM |
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"Sean" <santimvah_notspam@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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"mimus" <tinmimus99@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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On Wed, 12 Apr 2006 06:30:47 -0400, Pastor Frank wrote:
"mimus" <tinmimus99@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:6qpz3c8xjgzx.1xxjk0n4eirhi.dlg@40tude.net...
On Tue, 11 Apr 2006 08:25:14 -0400, Pastor Frank wrote:
"BernardZ" <bernardZ@Nospam.com> wrote in message
news:MPG.1ea6266538d2fdb7989911@news...
In article <2006041023205627544-Nospam@towelcom>,
says...
Polytheistic religions like the Hellinists and the Hindus are very
open
to their neighbor's religions.
Obviously you have a very idealized view of politics in India.
Yes. Christians were severely persecuted by "polytheistic" Romans.
*****. Read Gibbon for such details as there are about such "severe
persecutions".
Ever hear of martyrology, the record of Christians persecuted? Check
forum, lions etc. etc. Looks like you are a holocaust denier also.
No, I count that one, as the defining action of Twentieth Century
"civilization"-- although it's a hard call, in that century of mass and
massive violence.
Now let's hear your explanation of what happened to Greco-Roman
polytheism,
the Greco-Roman philosophical schools, the Gnostics and the Manicheans,
and
any and all literature from that place and time critical of Christianity.
Did they all just "wither away"?
http://markhumphrys.com/christianity.killings.html eg
a.. The genocide of the Cathars (also here)
a.. In 1209, Pope Innocent III (also here) called for a crusade to
exterminate the Cathar people of France (the Albigensians), simply because
they had different superstitious beliefs to his own stupid beliefs. Men,
women and children were butchered by the Pope's forces.
b.. Rudolph J. Rummel estimates they butchered 200,000 innocent men,
women and children.
c.. The Church's War on the Cathars
You are talking here about Satan's minions, who ALWAYS call themselves
religious but do the opposite from what their religion calls for.
We who aim to follow Christ, will always ask: What Would Jesus Do?
Obviously everything you list Jesus would NOT do. To discuss these issues,
you would need to ask those who fry in hell presently for committing heinous
acts in the name of God, or their apologists.
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14 Apr 2006 12:20:23 AM |
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"Pastor Frank" <PastorFrank@christfirst.org> wrote in message
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"Sean" <santimvah_notspam@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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"mimus" <tinmimus99@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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On Wed, 12 Apr 2006 06:30:47 -0400, Pastor Frank wrote:
"mimus" <tinmimus99@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:6qpz3c8xjgzx.1xxjk0n4eirhi.dlg@40tude.net...
On Tue, 11 Apr 2006 08:25:14 -0400, Pastor Frank wrote:
"BernardZ" <bernardZ@Nospam.com> wrote in message
news:MPG.1ea6266538d2fdb7989911@news...
In article <2006041023205627544-Nospam@towelcom>,
says...
Polytheistic religions like the Hellinists and the Hindus are very
open
to their neighbor's religions.
Obviously you have a very idealized view of politics in India.
Yes. Christians were severely persecuted by "polytheistic"
Romans.
*****. Read Gibbon for such details as there are about such
"severe
persecutions".
Ever hear of martyrology, the record of Christians persecuted?
Check
forum, lions etc. etc. Looks like you are a holocaust denier also.
No, I count that one, as the defining action of Twentieth Century
"civilization"-- although it's a hard call, in that century of mass and
massive violence.
Now let's hear your explanation of what happened to Greco-Roman
polytheism,
the Greco-Roman philosophical schools, the Gnostics and the Manicheans,
and
any and all literature from that place and time critical of
Christianity.
Did they all just "wither away"?
http://markhumphrys.com/christianity.killings.html eg
a.. The genocide of the Cathars (also here)
a.. In 1209, Pope Innocent III (also here) called for a crusade to
exterminate the Cathar people of France (the Albigensians), simply
because they had different superstitious beliefs to his own stupid
beliefs. Men, women and children were butchered by the Pope's forces.
b.. Rudolph J. Rummel estimates they butchered 200,000 innocent men,
women and children.
c.. The Church's War on the Cathars
You are talking here about Satan's minions, who ALWAYS call themselves
religious but do the opposite from what their religion calls for.
We who aim to follow Christ, will always ask: What Would Jesus Do?
Obviously everything you list Jesus would NOT do. To discuss these issues,
you would need to ask those who fry in hell presently for committing
heinous acts in the name of God, or their apologists.
Satan's minions ... i like that.
anyway, it;ls good to recognise that the catholic church, the anglicans, the
protestants from Luther on, the founders of the USA, the spanish, the
russians, the muslims, the jews, the hindus, the japanese, the germans, the
missionaries, damn it everyone on earth are the decendents of or still are
Satan's minions.
Yes, I like that. Sounds about right to me. Most if not all are easily
decieved by the dark side.
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| User: "Dubh Ghall" |
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14 Apr 2006 05:27:40 PM |
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On Thu, 13 Apr 2006 05:05:09 -0400, "Pastor Frank" <PastorFrank@christfirst.org>
wrote:
You are talking here about Satan's minions, who ALWAYS call themselves
religious but do the opposite from what their religion calls for.
So how do we tell the good guys from the bad guys?
We who aim to follow Christ, will always ask: What Would Jesus Do?
But do you always get the right answer?
Obviously everything you list Jesus would NOT do.
Obviously.
To discuss these issues,
you would need to ask those who fry in hell presently for committing heinous
acts in the name of God, or their apologists.
What I find interesting, is the way your definition of Hell, varies according to
your need.
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