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"johac" |
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20 Aug 2005 02:13:43 AM |
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Re: Why Naturalism Cannot Have The Final Say |
In article <430688E9.6E1A@spfd.com>,
Ian Chesterton <ichesterton@spfd.com> wrote:
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It is thus remarkable that when the evidence for the big bang began to
make itself known through scientific observation and experimentation,
the atheists began to panic as they watched the believers in a deity
start preparing plates of crow for them to eat.
Strawman. I and many atheists are perfectly comfortable with the 'big
bang' theory. That the universe has a finite existence in no way gives
evidence for the supernatural.
You may find this article by Quentin Smith of interest:
http://www.secularhumanism.org/index.php?section=library&page=smith_18_2
The second idea, that God created man in his own image and thus as a
creature that is different from any other form of life, can also be
shown by the evidence.
Great. Show the evidence. Please include:
1) Demonstrable, objective, verifiable, evidence for a god's existence.
2) Demonstrable, objective, verifiable, evidence that a god created the
universe including all life forms on this planet or elsewhere.
3) Demonstrable, objective, verifiable, evidence for a mechanism by
which a supernatural being could interact with the natural universe. How
does the non-material interact with the material?
Science knows a lot about evolution and the origin of the universe.
There is also a lot that science doesn't know. However, this present
lack of knowledge is no proof of the supernatural. It only means that we
haven't done enough science yet.
Your other objections have been answered time and time again.
Provide evidence for your god or stop wasting our time.
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John Hachmann aa #1782
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"
-Voltaire
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| User: "*nemo*" |
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| Title: Re: Why Naturalism Cannot Have The Final Say |
20 Aug 2005 04:28:23 AM |
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In article <jhachm-8282E1.00134320082005@news.giganews.com>,
johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote:
Your other objections have been answered time and time again.
Provide evidence for your god or stop wasting our time.
Admit it man. These wacky idiots make for an entertaining time on a
rainy Saturday morning.
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Atheist #1331 (the Palindrome of doom!)
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| User: "johac" |
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| Title: Re: Why Naturalism Cannot Have The Final Say |
21 Aug 2005 12:03:12 AM |
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In article <nemo0037-03A7E0.05273220082005@news1.west.earthlink.net>,
*nemo* <nemo0037@earthlink.dieSPAM.net> wrote:
In article <jhachm-8282E1.00134320082005@news.giganews.com>,
johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote:
Your other objections have been answered time and time again.
Provide evidence for your god or stop wasting our time.
Admit it man. These wacky idiots make for an entertaining time on a
rainy Saturday morning.
Well, I suppose. Sometimes when I feel that I need a good laugh, I turn
on Pat Robertson's show. I never have to wait very long.
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"
-Voltaire
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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| Title: Re: Why Naturalism Cannot Have The Final Say |
21 Aug 2005 08:41:12 PM |
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In episode <jhachm-126FBA.22031220082005@news.giganews.com>, johac burst
into the room and exclaimed:
In article <nemo0037-03A7E0.05273220082005@news1.west.earthlink.net>,
*nemo* <nemo0037@earthlink.dieSPAM.net> wrote:
In article <jhachm-8282E1.00134320082005@news.giganews.com>,
johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote:
Your other objections have been answered time and time again.
Provide evidence for your god or stop wasting our time.
Admit it man. These wacky idiots make for an entertaining time on a
rainy Saturday morning.
Well, I suppose. Sometimes when I feel that I need a good laugh, I turn on
Pat Robertson's show. I never have to wait very long.
Tilton is funnier...
(Ever seen the "fart" videos? <eg>)
--
Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
Alt-atheism website at: http://www.alt-atheism.org
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"Come to think of it, there are already a million
monkeys on a million typewriters, and the Usenet
is NOTHING like Shakespeare!" -- Blair Houghton
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| User: "johac" |
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| Title: Re: Why Naturalism Cannot Have The Final Say |
23 Aug 2005 01:04:47 AM |
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In article <OZedne2-hfulsJTeRVn-jA@megapath.net>,
"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote:
In episode <jhachm-126FBA.22031220082005@news.giganews.com>, johac burst
into the room and exclaimed:
In article <nemo0037-03A7E0.05273220082005@news1.west.earthlink.net>,
*nemo* <nemo0037@earthlink.dieSPAM.net> wrote:
In article <jhachm-8282E1.00134320082005@news.giganews.com>,
johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote:
Your other objections have been answered time and time again.
Provide evidence for your god or stop wasting our time.
Admit it man. These wacky idiots make for an entertaining time on a
rainy Saturday morning.
Well, I suppose. Sometimes when I feel that I need a good laugh, I turn on
Pat Robertson's show. I never have to wait very long.
Tilton is funnier...
(Ever seen the "fart" videos? <eg>)
No, I never have. It appears that I may have a 'treat' in sore for me.
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"
-Voltaire
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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| Title: Re: Why Naturalism Cannot Have The Final Say |
23 Aug 2005 08:18:41 AM |
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In episode <jhachm-8C3306.23044722082005@news.giganews.com>, johac burst
into the room and exclaimed:
In article <OZedne2-hfulsJTeRVn-jA@megapath.net>,
"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote:
In episode <jhachm-126FBA.22031220082005@news.giganews.com>, johac burst
into the room and exclaimed:
In article <nemo0037-03A7E0.05273220082005@news1.west.earthlink.net>,
*nemo* <nemo0037@earthlink.dieSPAM.net> wrote:
In article <jhachm-8282E1.00134320082005@news.giganews.com>,
johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote:
Your other objections have been answered time and time again.
Provide evidence for your god or stop wasting our time.
Admit it man. These wacky idiots make for an entertaining time on a
rainy Saturday morning.
Well, I suppose. Sometimes when I feel that I need a good laugh, I
turn on Pat Robertson's show. I never have to wait very long.
Tilton is funnier...
(Ever seen the "fart" videos? <eg>)
No, I never have. It appears that I may have a 'treat' in sore for me.
Oh do you ever. <G>
Pop over here...
http://www.ammodumpradio.com/funstuff_tilton.asp
--
Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
Alt-atheism website at: http://www.alt-atheism.org
--------------------------------------------------
"Come to think of it, there are already a million
monkeys on a million typewriters, and the Usenet
is NOTHING like Shakespeare!" -- Blair Houghton
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| User: "johac" |
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| Title: Re: Why Naturalism Cannot Have The Final Say |
24 Aug 2005 12:38:59 AM |
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In article <GLqdndlkpYuyv5beRVn-tQ@megapath.net>,
"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote:
In episode <jhachm-8C3306.23044722082005@news.giganews.com>, johac burst
into the room and exclaimed:
In article <OZedne2-hfulsJTeRVn-jA@megapath.net>,
"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote:
In episode <jhachm-126FBA.22031220082005@news.giganews.com>, johac burst
into the room and exclaimed:
In article <nemo0037-03A7E0.05273220082005@news1.west.earthlink.net>,
*nemo* <nemo0037@earthlink.dieSPAM.net> wrote:
In article <jhachm-8282E1.00134320082005@news.giganews.com>,
johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote:
Your other objections have been answered time and time again.
Provide evidence for your god or stop wasting our time.
Admit it man. These wacky idiots make for an entertaining time on a
rainy Saturday morning.
Well, I suppose. Sometimes when I feel that I need a good laugh, I
turn on Pat Robertson's show. I never have to wait very long.
Tilton is funnier...
(Ever seen the "fart" videos? <eg>)
No, I never have. It appears that I may have a 'treat' in sore for me.
Oh do you ever. <G>
Pop over here...
http://www.ammodumpradio.com/funstuff_tilton.asp
ROTFLMAO! Holy farteroonies, Batman! That was worth it! Thanks!
It gives speaking in 'tongues' a whole new meaning.
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"
-Voltaire
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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| Title: Re: Why Naturalism Cannot Have The Final Say |
24 Aug 2005 02:21:19 PM |
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In episode <jhachm-C5BB36.22385923082005@news.giganews.com>, johac burst
into the room and exclaimed:
In article <GLqdndlkpYuyv5beRVn-tQ@megapath.net>,
"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote:
In episode <jhachm-8C3306.23044722082005@news.giganews.com>, johac burst
into the room and exclaimed:
In article <OZedne2-hfulsJTeRVn-jA@megapath.net>,
"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote:
In episode <jhachm-126FBA.22031220082005@news.giganews.com>, johac
burst into the room and exclaimed:
In article
<nemo0037-03A7E0.05273220082005@news1.west.earthlink.net>,
*nemo* <nemo0037@earthlink.dieSPAM.net> wrote:
In article <jhachm-8282E1.00134320082005@news.giganews.com>,
johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote:
Your other objections have been answered time and time again.
Provide evidence for your god or stop wasting our time.
Admit it man. These wacky idiots make for an entertaining time on
a rainy Saturday morning.
Well, I suppose. Sometimes when I feel that I need a good laugh, I
turn on Pat Robertson's show. I never have to wait very long.
Tilton is funnier...
(Ever seen the "fart" videos? <eg>)
No, I never have. It appears that I may have a 'treat' in sore for me.
Oh do you ever. <G>
Pop over here...
http://www.ammodumpradio.com/funstuff_tilton.asp
ROTFLMAO! Holy farteroonies, Batman! That was worth it! Thanks!
It never fails to bright my day. <G>
It gives speaking in 'tongues' a whole new meaning.
I have to dig up the originals before he did the "megamix." They're
actually even funnier. If you have broadband, I could email 'em to you...
--
Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
Alt-atheism website at: http://www.alt-atheism.org
--------------------------------------------------
"Come to think of it, there are already a million
monkeys on a million typewriters, and the Usenet
is NOTHING like Shakespeare!" -- Blair Houghton
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| User: "johac" |
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| Title: Re: Why Naturalism Cannot Have The Final Say |
24 Aug 2005 11:57:45 PM |
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In article <TdCdnQNuAvgwVZHeRVn-qA@megapath.net>,
"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote:
In episode <jhachm-C5BB36.22385923082005@news.giganews.com>, johac burst
into the room and exclaimed:
In article <GLqdndlkpYuyv5beRVn-tQ@megapath.net>,
"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote:
In episode <jhachm-8C3306.23044722082005@news.giganews.com>, johac burst
into the room and exclaimed:
In article <OZedne2-hfulsJTeRVn-jA@megapath.net>,
"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote:
In episode <jhachm-126FBA.22031220082005@news.giganews.com>, johac
burst into the room and exclaimed:
In article
<nemo0037-03A7E0.05273220082005@news1.west.earthlink.net>,
*nemo* <nemo0037@earthlink.dieSPAM.net> wrote:
In article <jhachm-8282E1.00134320082005@news.giganews.com>,
johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote:
Your other objections have been answered time and time again.
Provide evidence for your god or stop wasting our time.
Admit it man. These wacky idiots make for an entertaining time on
a rainy Saturday morning.
Well, I suppose. Sometimes when I feel that I need a good laugh, I
turn on Pat Robertson's show. I never have to wait very long.
Tilton is funnier...
(Ever seen the "fart" videos? <eg>)
No, I never have. It appears that I may have a 'treat' in sore for me.
Oh do you ever. <G>
Pop over here...
http://www.ammodumpradio.com/funstuff_tilton.asp
ROTFLMAO! Holy farteroonies, Batman! That was worth it! Thanks!
It never fails to bright my day. <G>
It gives speaking in 'tongues' a whole new meaning.
I have to dig up the originals before he did the "megamix." They're
actually even funnier. If you have broadband, I could email 'em to you...
Thanks! I'd appreciate that
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"
-Voltaire
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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| Title: Re: Why Naturalism Cannot Have The Final Say |
25 Aug 2005 10:17:16 AM |
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In episode <jhachm-B66F3A.21574524082005@news.giganews.com>, johac burst
into the room and exclaimed:
In article <TdCdnQNuAvgwVZHeRVn-qA@megapath.net>,
"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote:
In episode <jhachm-C5BB36.22385923082005@news.giganews.com>, johac burst
into the room and exclaimed:
In article <GLqdndlkpYuyv5beRVn-tQ@megapath.net>,
"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote:
In episode <jhachm-8C3306.23044722082005@news.giganews.com>, johac
burst into the room and exclaimed:
In article <OZedne2-hfulsJTeRVn-jA@megapath.net>,
"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote:
In episode <jhachm-126FBA.22031220082005@news.giganews.com>, johac
burst into the room and exclaimed:
In article
<nemo0037-03A7E0.05273220082005@news1.west.earthlink.net>,
*nemo* <nemo0037@earthlink.dieSPAM.net> wrote:
In article <jhachm-8282E1.00134320082005@news.giganews.com>,
johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote:
Your other objections have been answered time and time again.
Provide evidence for your god or stop wasting our time.
Admit it man. These wacky idiots make for an entertaining time
on a rainy Saturday morning.
Well, I suppose. Sometimes when I feel that I need a good laugh,
I turn on Pat Robertson's show. I never have to wait very long.
Tilton is funnier...
(Ever seen the "fart" videos? <eg>)
No, I never have. It appears that I may have a 'treat' in sore for
me.
Oh do you ever. <G>
Pop over here...
http://www.ammodumpradio.com/funstuff_tilton.asp
ROTFLMAO! Holy farteroonies, Batman! That was worth it! Thanks!
It never fails to bright my day. <G>
It gives speaking in 'tongues' a whole new meaning.
I have to dig up the originals before he did the "megamix." They're
actually even funnier. If you have broadband, I could email 'em to
you...
Thanks! I'd appreciate that
Email me at the webmaster addy from whatever addy you want them shipped to
and I'll zap 'em out.
They *are fun. <G>
--
Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
Alt-atheism website at: http://www.alt-atheism.org
--------------------------------------------------
"Come to think of it, there are already a million
monkeys on a million typewriters, and the Usenet
is NOTHING like Shakespeare!" -- Blair Houghton
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| User: "Apostate" |
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| Title: Re: Why Naturalism Cannot Have The Final Say |
20 Aug 2005 03:17:50 PM |
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On Sat, 20 Aug 2005 09:28:23 GMT, *nemo* <nemo0037@earthlink.dieSPAM.net> wrote:
In article <jhachm-8282E1.00134320082005@news.giganews.com>,
johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote:
Your other objections have been answered time and time again.
Provide evidence for your god or stop wasting our time.
Admit it man. These wacky idiots make for an entertaining time on a
rainy Saturday morning.
The particular whacky idiot of our instant case? No, not if you've read him in his prior
visits, or in other newsgroups, doing the same thing: starting out pretending to engage in
polite give-and-take, then quickly descending to declaring the blinkered idiocy of everyone
holding the views that are 'cultural' to the ng he's invaded, then trying to teach science and
history of science to people who, unlike him, have studied some, then resorting to denunciation
and character assassination of the last hundred years' worth of scientists as well as Atheists
Through The Ages. The guy is an emotional basket case, because nowhere he goes is he
accepted as the exceptional intellect he feels himself to be. (I get vibes from him that he was
kicked out of his graduate degree program in philosophy when they noticed what an undisciplined
***** he is.)
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/Apostate
alt.atheist #1931 I've found it!
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