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20 Aug 2005 05:10:26 PM |
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Re: Why Naturalism Cannot Have The Final Say |
"2. God created man as a unique creature, different from all other
forms
of life because he was made in God's image. "
As nobody else pointed it out to you before:
The DNA of Man and Chimpansee (or Bono Bono) is so similar,
that they are practically the same species.
However nobody thusfar has been able to proof they are actually able
to interbreed, because - as the female ape said to the man -
"You are just to ugly":)
99% the same DNA
Think about it
Peter van Velzen
August 2005
Amstelveen
The Netherland
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| User: "Ian Chesterton" |
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20 Aug 2005 05:15:17 PM |
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wrote:
"2. God created man as a unique creature, different from all other
forms
of life because he was made in God's image. "
As nobody else pointed it out to you before:
The DNA of Man and Chimpansee (or Bono Bono) is so similar,
that they are practically the same species.
However nobody thusfar has been able to proof they are actually able
to interbreed, because - as the female ape said to the man -
"You are just to ugly":)
99% the same DNA
Think about it
LOL! But 99% of the same DNA proves neither evolution nor intelligent
design. Either can be inferred.
--
Your beauty drains me, those tears cut me like a knife,
But please don't stop because of the pain I feel;
Everything about you would be ruined if you became my immortal wife,
No not you, but through you I may at last be able to heal.
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| User: "Llanzlan Klazmon" |
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21 Aug 2005 07:11:09 PM |
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Ian Chesterton <ichesterton@spfd.com> wrote in news:4307AB90.1788@spfd.com:
pbamvv@worldonline.nl wrote:
"2. God created man as a unique creature, different from all other
forms
of life because he was made in God's image. "
As nobody else pointed it out to you before:
The DNA of Man and Chimpansee (or Bono Bono) is so similar,
that they are practically the same species.
However nobody thusfar has been able to proof they are actually able
to interbreed, because - as the female ape said to the man -
"You are just to ugly":)
99% the same DNA
Think about it
LOL! But 99% of the same DNA proves neither evolution nor intelligent
design. Either can be inferred.
It's more than just DNA in common. You even have broken genes which are
broken in exactly the same place. E.g the L-gulano-?-lactone oxidase gene
required for production of Vitamin C. Furthermore this non functional gene
in human's and chimps has just the number of differences as expected from
the mutation rate expected for a split around six million years ago.
Another example are the broken retroviral insertions at exactly the spot in
the genome showing that there is a common ancestor to both humans and
chimps whose germ line cells were infected by a retrovirus at a specific
location.
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/comdesc/section4.html
Klazmon.
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| User: "Dave" |
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20 Aug 2005 06:27:28 PM |
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Ian Chesterton wrote:
LOL! But 99% of the same DNA proves neither evolution nor intelligent
design. Either can be inferred.
I thought you were saying man was so incredibly unique? Now it seems
he's only a few percentage points more unique than a mere brutish
animal?
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| User: "Ian Chesterton" |
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20 Aug 2005 06:55:34 PM |
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Dave wrote:
Ian Chesterton wrote:
LOL! But 99% of the same DNA proves neither evolution nor intelligent
design. Either can be inferred.
I thought you were saying man was so incredibly unique? Now it seems
he's only a few percentage points more unique than a mere brutish
animal?
Your point is on weak ground. A deity didn't make man from material any
different than he he used to make the animals. If all animals are
created with DNA, then it is logical to conclude that some species will
have smiliar DNA. And that small difference is enough to give us our
unique abilities and talents.
--
Your beauty drains me, those tears cut me like a knife,
But please don't stop because of the pain I feel;
Everything about you would be ruined if you became my immortal wife,
No not you, but through you I may at last be able to heal.
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| User: "Pastor Keczup" |
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20 Aug 2005 08:39:39 PM |
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Ian Chesterton wrote:
Dave wrote:
Ian Chesterton wrote:
LOL! But 99% of the same DNA proves neither evolution nor intelligent
design. Either can be inferred.
I thought you were saying man was so incredibly unique? Now it seems
he's only a few percentage points more unique than a mere brutish
animal?
Your point is on weak ground. A deity didn't make man from material any
different than he he used to make the animals. If all animals are
created with DNA, then it is logical to conclude that some species will
have smiliar DNA. And that small difference is enough to give us our
unique abilities and talents.
If he's omnipotent, why did he do it that way?
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| User: "" |
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22 Aug 2005 02:57:03 PM |
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Ian Chesterton wrote:
LOL! But 99% of the same DNA proves neither evolution nor intelligent
design. Either can be inferred.
I thought you were saying man was so incredibly unique? Now it seems
he's only a few percentage points more unique than a mere brutish
animal?
Your point is on weak ground. A deity didn't make man from material
any
different than he he used to make the animals. If all animals are
created with DNA, then it is logical to conclude that some species will
have smiliar DNA. And that small difference is enough to give us our
unique abilities and talents.
--
Your beauty drains me, those tears cut me like a knife,
But please don't stop because of the pain I feel;
Everything about you would be ruined if you became my immortal wife,
No not you, but through you I may at last be able to heal.
"if he's omnipotent, why did he do it that way? "
If this superman is omnipotent that all other men ar impotent.
My wife decides he's not omnipotent.
Not nearly.
Economy Nobel-prize winners
descovered another way in wich man is not unique
Their thesis.
"Stupidity is a very human property".
Now I think of it
Never heard of a Chimp losing millions on the stock market:)
Anyway.
We are nowhere near the subject.
Naturalism stands proud as ever before.
Despite our stupidity.
By the way:
My wife ain't stupid.
Think about it
Peter van Velzen
August 2005
Amstelveen
The Netherlands
Currently without my wife:(
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| User: "Llanzlan Klazmon" |
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| Title: Re: Why Naturalism Cannot Have The Final Say |
22 Aug 2005 09:55:08 PM |
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"pbamvv@worldonline.nl" <pbamvv@worldonline.nl> wrote in
news:1124740623.539448.68170@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com:
Ian Chesterton wrote:
LOL! But 99% of the same DNA proves neither evolution nor intelligent
design. Either can be inferred.
I thought you were saying man was so incredibly unique? Now it seems
he's only a few percentage points more unique than a mere brutish
animal?
Your point is on weak ground. A deity didn't make man from material
any
different than he he used to make the animals. If all animals are
created with DNA, then it is logical to conclude that some species will
have smiliar DNA. And that small difference is enough to give us our
unique abilities and talents.
Well the christian holy book says man was made differently. It says
something about dirt being used IIRC. However it is not just a matter of
the DNA functional similarity. The same broken bits, retroviral fragment
inserts (at the same position). All the dross is there to. It would be a
bizzare designer that would do that unless for the purpose of convincing
that common descent had occurred.:
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/comdesc/section2.html
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/comdesc/section4.html#retroviruses
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/comdesc/section5.html
Awww the whole article:
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/comdesc/
Klazmon.
--
Your beauty drains me, those tears cut me like a knife,
But please don't stop because of the pain I feel;
Everything about you would be ruined if you became my immortal wife,
No not you, but through you I may at last be able to heal.
"if he's omnipotent, why did he do it that way? "
If this superman is omnipotent that all other men ar impotent.
My wife decides he's not omnipotent.
Not nearly.
Economy Nobel-prize winners
descovered another way in wich man is not unique
Their thesis.
"Stupidity is a very human property".
Now I think of it
Never heard of a Chimp losing millions on the stock market:)
Anyway.
We are nowhere near the subject.
Naturalism stands proud as ever before.
Despite our stupidity.
By the way:
My wife ain't stupid.
Think about it
Peter van Velzen
August 2005
Amstelveen
The Netherlands
Currently without my wife:(
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Why Naturalism Cannot Have The Final Say |
26 Aug 2005 10:47:58 AM |
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It is very clear isn't it?
If the bible is right, ....
than God went to great length to conceal that we were created by him,
and put in a great effort (including all those fossils of animals that
never were)
to make us think there was revolution.
As allways that serpent Satan, thought it was better for us to know the
truth,
and so it was he who gave us the Bible.
Think about it
Peter van Velzen
August 2005
Amstelveen
The Netherlands
(half of which was actually created by man)
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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20 Aug 2005 09:37:54 PM |
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In episode <4307C282.3EF2@spfd.com>, Ian Chesterton burst into the room
and exclaimed:
Dave wrote:
Ian Chesterton wrote:
LOL! But 99% of the same DNA proves neither evolution nor intelligent
design. Either can be inferred.
I thought you were saying man was so incredibly unique? Now it seems
he's only a few percentage points more unique than a mere brutish
animal?
Your point is on weak ground. A deity didn't make man from material any
different than he he used to make the animals. If all animals are created
with DNA, then it is logical to conclude that some species will have
smiliar DNA. And that small difference is enough to give us our unique
abilities and talents.
So we're unique and common at the same time. Sure thing Skippy...
--
Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
Alt-atheism website at: http://www.alt-atheism.org
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"Come to think of it, there are already a million
monkeys on a million typewriters, and the Usenet
is NOTHING like Shakespeare!" -- Blair Houghton
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| User: "Don Kresch" |
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20 Aug 2005 09:47:12 PM |
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In alt.atheism On Sat, 20 Aug 2005 22:15:17 GMT, Ian Chesterton
<ichesterton@spfd.com> let us all know that:
pbamvv@worldonline.nl wrote:
"2. God created man as a unique creature, different from all other
forms
of life because he was made in God's image. "
As nobody else pointed it out to you before:
The DNA of Man and Chimpansee (or Bono Bono) is so similar,
that they are practically the same species.
However nobody thusfar has been able to proof they are actually able
to interbreed, because - as the female ape said to the man -
"You are just to ugly":)
99% the same DNA
Think about it
LOL! But 99% of the same DNA proves neither evolution nor intelligent
design.
No, it pretty much proves evolution. ID is merely literalist
biblical creationism in new clothing, and DNA annihilates creationism.
Don
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