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"James" |
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11 Jul 2005 04:34:08 PM |
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Re: Why Rocks Are Hard. |
wrote:
Why Rocks Are Hard.
... Long, long ago
the universe consisted of
Jello-like stuff...
Then one day, the god Holyledbotton
decided that He wanted to sit down. Well,
of course, looking around, Holyledbotton
couldn't find any thing upon which to sit. So
He was very frustrated. And very tired of
just standing there (apparently the floor WAS
hard... for some odd lack of logic which, as
you all know, is fairly common to all religions).
That's when He decided to make some bits of
the "Jello universe" hard enough to sit down upon.
And that's why rocks are hard today.
from "Our Old-Time Religions" as compiled by S D
Rodrian and other old fogies who have nothing
better to do (or worse things to fear not doing)
than continually pointing out how little mankind has
really changed (civilized itself, or in the parlance of
modern-day hipsters "evolved") since the Stone Age.
S D Rodrian
http://poems.sdrodrian.com
http://physics.sdrodrian.com
http://music.sdrodrian.com
The authors give their permission for the use of
this material to advocates of "Intelligent Design"
and everybody else struggling against the evil
spread of science and human knowledge.
Hello,
Looks like their 'Old-Time Religion' god isn't much of a powerful god
at all, since he 'physically' gets tired. But the God of the Bible has
an abundance of energy, He being the maker of all the suns and
galaxies etc. Isa 40:26,
"Raise YOUR eyes high up and see. Who has created these things? It is
the One who is bringing forth the army of them even by number, all of
whom he calls even by name. Due to the abundance of dynamic energy, he
also being vigorous in power, not one [of them] is missing." (NWT)
As for your comment about "the evil spread of science and human
knowledge", the Bible has no problem with true science or accurate
human knowledge. When the Bible touches upon a scientific subject, I
have never seen it out of harmony with true science. And since it
really claims to be from God (2 Ti 3:16), it cannot be, since God
created all the natural sciences in the first place. (Ge 1:1)
Sincerely, James
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Have Jehovah's Witnesses questions?
Go to the authorized source:
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| User: "Enkidu the Atheist" |
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11 Jul 2005 01:48:29 PM |
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James <arox@surfbest.net> wrote in
news:jmn5d1lfgod5qln56eo8r9dgr012mj2iav@4ax.com:
[snip]
As for your comment about "the evil spread of science and human
knowledge", the Bible has no problem with true science or accurate
human knowledge. When the Bible touches upon a scientific subject, I
have never seen it out of harmony with true science. And since it
really claims to be from God (2 Ti 3:16), it cannot be, since God
created all the natural sciences in the first place. (Ge 1:1)
Bats are birds?
--
Enkidu AA#2165
EAC Chaplain and ordained minister,
ULC, Modesto, CA
PGP ID: 0xC4CE8CF0
It is only undemonstrable assertions that require the suspension of
reason, and weak ideas that require faith.
-Dan Barker
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| User: "Libertarius" |
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11 Aug 2005 12:41:49 PM |
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Enkidu the Atheist wrote:
James <arox@surfbest.net> wrote in
news:jmn5d1lfgod5qln56eo8r9dgr012mj2iav@4ax.com:
[snip]
As for your comment about "the evil spread of science and human
knowledge", the Bible has no problem with true science or accurate
human knowledge. When the Bible touches upon a scientific subject, I
have never seen it out of harmony with true science. And since it
really claims to be from God (2 Ti 3:16), it cannot be, since God
created all the natural sciences in the first place. (Ge 1:1)
Bats are birds?
===>The universe consists of a water-enclosed land covered by a star-studded
solid, vaulted dome atop of which sits on his throne or walks that "God". -- L.
--
Enkidu AA#2165
EAC Chaplain and ordained minister,
ULC, Modesto, CA
PGP ID: 0xC4CE8CF0
It is only undemonstrable assertions that require the suspension of
reason, and weak ideas that require faith.
-Dan Barker
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| User: "Matt Silberstein" |
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| Title: Re: Why Rocks Are Hard. |
11 Aug 2005 12:59:45 PM |
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On Thu, 11 Aug 2005 11:41:49 -0600, in alt.atheism , Libertarius
<Libertarius@Nothing_But_The.Truth> in
<42FB8DDD.2C698762@Nothing_But_The.Truth> wrote:
Enkidu the Atheist wrote:
James <arox@surfbest.net> wrote in
news:jmn5d1lfgod5qln56eo8r9dgr012mj2iav@4ax.com:
[snip]
As for your comment about "the evil spread of science and human
knowledge", the Bible has no problem with true science or accurate
human knowledge. When the Bible touches upon a scientific subject, I
have never seen it out of harmony with true science. And since it
really claims to be from God (2 Ti 3:16), it cannot be, since God
created all the natural sciences in the first place. (Ge 1:1)
Bats are birds?
===>The universe consists of a water-enclosed land covered by a star-studded
solid, vaulted dome atop of which sits on his throne or walks that "God". -- L.
That obvious, we don't need either the Bible or science to show it to
us.
BTW, ;-)
--
Matt Silberstein
Well ya see, Norm, it's like this. A herd of buffalo can only move as fast as the slowest buffalo. And when the herd is hunted, it is the slowest and weakest ones at the back that are killed first. This natural selection is good for the herd as a whole, because the general speed and health of the whole group keeps improving by the regular killing of the weakest members. In much the same way, the human brain can only operate as fast as the slowest brain cells. Excessive intake of alcohol, as we know, kills brain cells. But naturally, it attacks the slowest and weakest brain cells first. In this way, regular consumption of beer eliminates the weaker brain cells, making the brain a faster and more efficient machine. That's why you always feel smarter after a few beers.
Cliff on Cheers
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| User: "" |
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11 Jul 2005 02:03:45 PM |
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Enkidu the Atheist wrote:
James <arox@surfbest.net> wrote in
news:jmn5d1lfgod5qln56eo8r9dgr012mj2iav@4ax.com:
[snip]
As for your comment about "the evil spread of science and human
knowledge", the Bible has no problem with true science or accurate
human knowledge. When the Bible touches upon a scientific subject, I
have never seen it out of harmony with true science. And since it
really claims to be from God (2 Ti 3:16), it cannot be, since God
created all the natural sciences in the first place. (Ge 1:1)
Unless, of course, it *isn't from God, in which case that verse proves
nothing. Or if it was mistranslated, or you misunderstand it.
Bats are birds?
Alas, the bible doesn't say that. I expect where it says something
which translates to that, it's in Aramaic. The bronze-age word
translated as "bird" probably means something like "flying critters,
not bugs". Which would include bats.
The six-day creation, however, is a major problem. As is the global
flood, stopping the sun in the sky for hours, the Tower of Babel, and
others.
Notice that James says that "true science" is compatible with the
bible. This is obviously a "true Scotsman" fallacy. If it agrees with
what James thinks the bible means, it's true, otherwise not. Rather
using your conclusions to prove your assumptions, aren't you, James?
--
Enkidu AA#2165
EAC Chaplain and ordained minister,
ULC, Modesto, CA
PGP ID: 0xC4CE8CF0
It is only undemonstrable assertions that require the suspension of
reason, and weak ideas that require faith.
-Dan Barker
There are scientists who are theists; they generally are very good at
compartmentalizing their faith and their emperical knowledge. The ones
I've met - when the subject came up at all - would not try to convince
others that their religion is true who are not already predisposed to
think that way, because they know they have no evidence.
I find them puzzling, but there is nothing wrong with their science.
Almost none of them are biblical literalists; the number of such who
actually *do science are no more than a handful. But devout Christians
of other stripes, Muslims, Hindus... sure.
Kermit
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| User: "Libertarius" |
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11 Aug 2005 12:45:03 PM |
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wrote:
Enkidu the Atheist wrote:
James <arox@surfbest.net> wrote in
news:jmn5d1lfgod5qln56eo8r9dgr012mj2iav@4ax.com:
[snip]
As for your comment about "the evil spread of science and human
knowledge", the Bible has no problem with true science or accurate
human knowledge. When the Bible touches upon a scientific subject, I
have never seen it out of harmony with true science. And since it
really claims to be from God (2 Ti 3:16), it cannot be, since God
created all the natural sciences in the first place. (Ge 1:1)
Unless, of course, it *isn't from God, in which case that verse proves
nothing. Or if it was mistranslated, or you misunderstand it.
===>It does not say that.
The writer of that verse never suspected there would be a "Bible".
He simpy thinks that certain unspecified writings (GRAPHE)
were "exhaled by god" (THEOPNEUSTOS). -- L.
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| User: "Wayne Delia" |
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12 Jul 2005 04:17:09 PM |
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Enkidu the Atheist wrote:
James <arox@surfbest.net> wrote in
news:jmn5d1lfgod5qln56eo8r9dgr012mj2iav@4ax.com:
[snip]
As for your comment about "the evil spread of science and human
knowledge", the Bible has no problem with true science or accurate
human knowledge. When the Bible touches upon a scientific subject, I
have never seen it out of harmony with true science. And since it
really claims to be from God (2 Ti 3:16), it cannot be, since God
created all the natural sciences in the first place. (Ge 1:1)
Bats are birds?
Pigeon blood cures leprosy?
WMD
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| User: "Matt Silberstein" |
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11 Aug 2005 12:59:05 PM |
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On Tue, 12 Jul 2005 21:17:09 GMT, in alt.atheism , Wayne Delia
<wmd@deliafamily.net> in <prWAe.3036$1%4.2378@trndny02> wrote:
Enkidu the Atheist wrote:
James <arox@surfbest.net> wrote in
news:jmn5d1lfgod5qln56eo8r9dgr012mj2iav@4ax.com:
[snip]
As for your comment about "the evil spread of science and human
knowledge", the Bible has no problem with true science or accurate
human knowledge. When the Bible touches upon a scientific subject, I
have never seen it out of harmony with true science. And since it
really claims to be from God (2 Ti 3:16), it cannot be, since God
created all the natural sciences in the first place. (Ge 1:1)
Bats are birds?
Pigeon blood cures leprosy?
Burns turn to leprosy?
--
Matt Silberstein
Well ya see, Norm, it's like this. A herd of buffalo can only move as fast as the slowest buffalo. And when the herd is hunted, it is the slowest and weakest ones at the back that are killed first. This natural selection is good for the herd as a whole, because the general speed and health of the whole group keeps improving by the regular killing of the weakest members. In much the same way, the human brain can only operate as fast as the slowest brain cells. Excessive intake of alcohol, as we know, kills brain cells. But naturally, it attacks the slowest and weakest brain cells first. In this way, regular consumption of beer eliminates the weaker brain cells, making the brain a faster and more efficient machine. That's why you always feel smarter after a few beers.
Cliff on Cheers
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| User: "Enkidu the Atheist" |
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11 Aug 2005 10:47:00 PM |
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Matt Silberstein <RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote in
news:re4nf11vo7vsjg9j4mko92aid9mpuvrdck@4ax.com:
On Tue, 12 Jul 2005 21:17:09 GMT, in alt.atheism , Wayne Delia
<wmd@deliafamily.net> in <prWAe.3036$1%4.2378@trndny02> wrote:
Enkidu the Atheist wrote:
James <arox@surfbest.net> wrote in
news:jmn5d1lfgod5qln56eo8r9dgr012mj2iav@4ax.com:
[snip]
As for your comment about "the evil spread of science and human
knowledge", the Bible has no problem with true science or accurate
human knowledge. When the Bible touches upon a scientific subject, I
have never seen it out of harmony with true science. And since it
really claims to be from God (2 Ti 3:16), it cannot be, since God
created all the natural sciences in the first place. (Ge 1:1)
Bats are birds?
Pigeon blood cures leprosy?
Burns turn to leprosy?
Walking, talking serpents? Hundreds of thousands wandering 40 years in
the desert, covering, what, 200 miles net, and leaving no trace?
--
Enkidu AA#2165
EAC Chaplain and ordained minister,
ULC, Modesto, CA
PGP ID: 0xC4CE8CF0
"Just because nobody complains doesn't mean all parachutes are perfect."
* Benny Hill
(01/21/1925 - 04/20/1992)
English comic actor
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| User: "Matt Silberstein" |
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11 Aug 2005 12:57:17 PM |
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On 11 Jul 2005 18:48:29 GMT, in alt.atheism , Enkidu the Atheist
<Enkidu.the.Atheist@gmail.com> in <Xns9690782442E23255229@130.133.1.4>
wrote:
James <arox@surfbest.net> wrote in
news:jmn5d1lfgod5qln56eo8r9dgr012mj2iav@4ax.com:
[snip]
As for your comment about "the evil spread of science and human
knowledge", the Bible has no problem with true science or accurate
human knowledge. When the Bible touches upon a scientific subject, I
have never seen it out of harmony with true science. And since it
really claims to be from God (2 Ti 3:16), it cannot be, since God
created all the natural sciences in the first place. (Ge 1:1)
Bats are birds?
This may well be the silliest argument you could have made. There is
nothing wrong with a category that includes bats with birds (the only
question would be whether or not you include ostriches and kiwis). It
is not a modern cladistic category, but it does not pretend to be.
There are much better arguments to make, use your strong ones, not the
weak sound bites.
--
Matt Silberstein
Well ya see, Norm, it's like this. A herd of buffalo can only move as fast as the slowest buffalo. And when the herd is hunted, it is the slowest and weakest ones at the back that are killed first. This natural selection is good for the herd as a whole, because the general speed and health of the whole group keeps improving by the regular killing of the weakest members. In much the same way, the human brain can only operate as fast as the slowest brain cells. Excessive intake of alcohol, as we know, kills brain cells. But naturally, it attacks the slowest and weakest brain cells first. In this way, regular consumption of beer eliminates the weaker brain cells, making the brain a faster and more efficient machine. That's why you always feel smarter after a few beers.
Cliff on Cheers
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| User: "goozlefotz" |
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11 Aug 2005 02:40:01 PM |
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Rocks are hard because soft things are not called "rocks".
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| User: "Conspiracy of Doves" |
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11 Jul 2005 01:53:48 PM |
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James wrote:
And since it really claims to be from God (2 Ti 3:16), it cannot be,
since God created all the natural sciences in the first place.
"Ok class, let's see who can point out the logical fallacy in this
statement. Yes Billy?"
"Just because the bible CLAIMS to be from god, that doesn't mean that
it automatically has to have the characteristics of a book that is
ACTUALLY from god."
"Very good Billy, you get a gold star"
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| User: "Libertarius" |
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11 Aug 2005 12:42:43 PM |
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Conspiracy of Doves wrote:
James wrote:
And since it really claims to be from God (2 Ti 3:16), it cannot be,
since God created all the natural sciences in the first place.
"Ok class, let's see who can point out the logical fallacy in this
statement. Yes Billy?"
"Just because the bible CLAIMS to be from god, that doesn't mean that
it automatically has to have the characteristics of a book that is
ACTUALLY from god."
"Very good Billy, you get a gold star"
===>In fact there's no such claim found in the Bible!
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| User: "Libertarius" |
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11 Aug 2005 12:39:05 PM |
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James wrote:
sdrodrian@sdrodrian.com wrote:
Why Rocks Are Hard.
... Long, long ago
the universe consisted of
Jello-like stuff...
Then one day, the god Holyledbotton
decided that He wanted to sit down. Well,
of course, looking around, Holyledbotton
couldn't find any thing upon which to sit. So
He was very frustrated. And very tired of
just standing there (apparently the floor WAS
hard... for some odd lack of logic which, as
you all know, is fairly common to all religions).
That's when He decided to make some bits of
the "Jello universe" hard enough to sit down upon.
And that's why rocks are hard today.
from "Our Old-Time Religions" as compiled by S D
Rodrian and other old fogies who have nothing
better to do (or worse things to fear not doing)
than continually pointing out how little mankind has
really changed (civilized itself, or in the parlance of
modern-day hipsters "evolved") since the Stone Age.
S D Rodrian
http://poems.sdrodrian.com
http://physics.sdrodrian.com
http://music.sdrodrian.com
The authors give their permission for the use of
this material to advocates of "Intelligent Design"
and everybody else struggling against the evil
spread of science and human knowledge.
Hello,
Looks like their 'Old-Time Religion' god isn't much of a powerful god
at all, since he 'physically' gets tired. But the God of the Bible has
an abundance of energy, He being the maker of all the suns and
galaxies etc. Isa 40:26,
"Raise YOUR eyes high up and see. Who has created these things? It is
the One who is bringing forth the army of them even by number, all of
whom he calls even by name. Due to the abundance of dynamic energy, he
also being vigorous in power, not one [of them] is missing." (NWT)
===>Actually, there are no "suns and galaxies" in the Bible.
The biblical cosmology is a flat piece of land, surrounded by waters,
and covered over by a solid vaulted dome to which the ELOHIM
affixed some little lights and two big lights.
"God" either sits on a throne or walks around on top of that dome,
shrouded in clouds, so he cannot see. -- L.
As for your comment about "the evil spread of science and human
knowledge", the Bible has no problem with true science or accurate
human knowledge. When the Bible touches upon a scientific subject, I
have never seen it out of harmony with true science.
===>By "true science" do you mean anything consistent with that
biblical cosmology?
And since it
really claims to be from God (2 Ti 3:16),
===>WHAT claims to be "from God"???
The cited verse simply expresses a mans opinion that some unspecified
WRITINGS (GRAPHE) were "exhaled by god" (THEOPNEUSTOS).
it cannot be, since God
created all the natural sciences in the first place. (Ge 1:1)
===>That is YOUR assertion.
In fact Genesis 1:1 tells about some beings called ELOHIM,
apparently at least one male and one female, who are terraforming a formless,
watery mass that is already there. (See above).
The best translation by Hebrew scholars from the traditional Hebrew
text is found in the TANAKH, published by the JPS:
'When God [literally ELOHIM - L.] began to create heaven and earth--the earth
being unformed and void, with darkness over the surface of the deep and
a wind from God [lit. ELOHIM - L.] sweeping over the water--God [lit. ELOHIM -
L]
said, "Let there be light"; and there was light.' -- L.
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| User: "William T. Goat" |
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11 Aug 2005 01:43:04 PM |
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(piggybacking)
Libertarius wrote:
James wrote:
sdrodrian@sdrodrian.com wrote:
Why Rocks Are Hard.
... Long, long ago
the universe consisted of
Jello-like stuff...
Then one day, the god Holyledbotton
decided that He wanted to sit down. Well,
of course, looking around, Holyledbotton
couldn't find any thing upon which to sit. So
He was very frustrated. And very tired of
just standing there (apparently the floor WAS
hard... for some odd lack of logic which, as
you all know, is fairly common to all religions).
<snip>
Hello,
Looks like their 'Old-Time Religion' god isn't much of a powerful god
at all, since he 'physically' gets tired. But the God of the Bible has
an abundance of energy, He being the maker of all the suns and
galaxies etc.
The God of the Bible gets tired too. Gen 2:2 clearly says that God had
to *rest* after He was finished creating. You heretic.
Gen 2:2 "And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made;
and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made."
--Billy
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| User: "Libertarius" |
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11 Aug 2005 02:11:10 PM |
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"William T. Goat" wrote:
(piggybacking)
Libertarius wrote:
James wrote:
sdrodrian@sdrodrian.com wrote:
Why Rocks Are Hard.
... Long, long ago
the universe consisted of
Jello-like stuff...
Then one day, the god Holyledbotton
decided that He wanted to sit down. Well,
of course, looking around, Holyledbotton
couldn't find any thing upon which to sit. So
He was very frustrated. And very tired of
just standing there (apparently the floor WAS
hard... for some odd lack of logic which, as
you all know, is fairly common to all religions).
<snip>
Hello,
Looks like their 'Old-Time Religion' god isn't much of a powerful god
at all, since he 'physically' gets tired. But the God of the Bible has
an abundance of energy, He being the maker of all the suns and
galaxies etc.
The God of the Bible gets tired too. Gen 2:2 clearly says that God had
to *rest* after He was finished creating. You heretic.
Gen 2:2 "And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made;
and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made."
--Billy
===>Doesn't say they had to.
It was a voluntary retirement.
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| User: "thomas p" |
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12 Aug 2005 12:49:26 AM |
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On Thu, 11 Aug 2005 13:11:10 -0600, Libertarius
<Libertarius@Nothing_But_The.Truth> wrote:
"William T. Goat" wrote:
(piggybacking)
Libertarius wrote:
James wrote:
sdrodrian@sdrodrian.com wrote:
Why Rocks Are Hard.
... Long, long ago
the universe consisted of
Jello-like stuff...
Then one day, the god Holyledbotton
decided that He wanted to sit down. Well,
of course, looking around, Holyledbotton
couldn't find any thing upon which to sit. So
He was very frustrated. And very tired of
just standing there (apparently the floor WAS
hard... for some odd lack of logic which, as
you all know, is fairly common to all religions).
<snip>
Hello,
Looks like their 'Old-Time Religion' god isn't much of a powerful god
at all, since he 'physically' gets tired. But the God of the Bible has
an abundance of energy, He being the maker of all the suns and
galaxies etc.
The God of the Bible gets tired too. Gen 2:2 clearly says that God had
to *rest* after He was finished creating. You heretic.
Gen 2:2 "And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made;
and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made."
--Billy
===>Doesn't say they had to.
It was a voluntary retirement.
That was just the press release.
Thomas P.
"Life must be lived forwards but understood backwards"
(Kierkegaard)
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| User: "goozlefotz" |
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11 Aug 2005 02:38:35 PM |
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William T. Goat wrote:
The God of the Bible gets tired too. Gen 2:2 clearly says that God had
to *rest* after He was finished creating. You heretic.
Gen 2:2 "And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made;
and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made."
--Billy
If s/he had worked on the seventh day, s/he would have violated the
Sabbath. Everybody knows that!
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| User: "Alexander" |
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04 Oct 2005 03:17:29 AM |
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The greatest duties of all individuals are when we forgive others for the
wrong they have done to us and never hold a grudge against them as long as
we live. Follow the laws of the land and show respect toward every
individual as you wish the same respect be shown to you. When there is
backbiting and gossip, it hurts not only others but also bring you, your
family, your people and your country great dishonor. Treat other people's
possessions and properties as if they were your own and never take that
which is not yours of which you have not worked to achieve. Any agreement
regarding anything whether it is legal or personal which you have made with
another person should be shown great respect and never violated in any shape
or form. If you want some thing in your life, work for it and have faith in
your abilities to achieve it. Every individual including yourself has the
potential for greatness. Every individual has the rights to life, liberty,
justice, equality and compassion, so never take these rights away from
anyone just as much as you do not wish the same rights to be taken away from
you. Be honest and truthful to yourself and others but always keep in mind
some things need not to be said but to be kept in secret for it may cause
you or another person harm if spoken out. Always strive to be happy the
best as you can because only you have the power to change your life, and
never look toward others to make your life happy for no one can make you
happy all of the time only some of the time. Never place yourself above
others just as you do not want others to place themselves above you because
we are all here in the same boat going through the river of life. Always
treat every individual as part of the crew of the same boat. Only together
we have the potential to achieve greatness and happiness which we are
seeking for. I wish you health and success in all you do in life.
Blessed Be.
Alexander
(Unitarian Universalist Pantheist)
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| User: "Joe" |
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| Title: Re: The Greatest duties of all individuals |
13 Oct 2005 07:40:51 AM |
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"Alexander" <poormoo@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
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The greatest duties of all individuals are when we forgive others for the
wrong they have done to us and never hold a grudge against them as long as
we live.
Yuh, sort of, but that doesn't precude seeking justice if that harm against
us was illegal- therefore it's society that gets to balance things out. And,
there needs to be some limit to this forgiveness thing- we can't all be
saints.
Although this forgiveness thing is a fine thing, an even greater thing is to
actively do nice things for others, not because of any karmic reward, but
because you really like people and animals and the planet.
Follow the laws of the land
Yuh, but what if you lived in Nazi Germany?
and show respect toward every
individual as you wish the same respect be shown to you. When there is
backbiting and gossip, it hurts not only others but also bring you, your
family, your people and your country great dishonor. Treat other people's
possessions and properties as if they were your own and never take that
which is not yours of which you have not worked to achieve. Any agreement
regarding anything whether it is legal or personal which you have made
with
another person should be shown great respect and never violated in any
shape
or form. If you want some thing in your life, work for it and have faith
in
your abilities to achieve it.
Yuh, but if you live in a repressive socity designed to make the rich richer
and the poor poorer, it doesn't hurt to have some political guts and fight
to change the rules of the game.
Every individual including yourself has the
potential for greatness.
Well, that depends on what you mean by greatness- most people can rise to
being nice, if humble and limited in talents, still they can be nice to
others- and to me, that's worth a lot of points.
Every individual has the rights to life, liberty,
justice, equality and compassion, so never take these rights away from
anyone just as much as you do not wish the same rights to be taken away
from
you.
The trouble is that there are a lot of people who just don't think this way,
so in order to not be enslaved, we must be willing to use our political
rights to fight back against the bullies out there- such as the Republican
party. <G>
Be honest and truthful to yourself and others but always keep in mind
some things need not to be said but to be kept in secret for it may cause
you or another person harm if spoken out. Always strive to be happy the
best as you can because only you have the power to change your life, and
never look toward others to make your life happy for no one can make you
happy all of the time only some of the time.
Be a saint, but keep your poweder dry.
Never place yourself above
others just as you do not want others to place themselves above you
because
we are all here in the same boat going through the river of life. Always
treat every individual as part of the crew of the same boat. Only
together
we have the potential to achieve greatness and happiness which we are
seeking for. I wish you health and success in all you do in life.
Blessed Be.
Alexander
(Unitarian Universalist Pantheist)
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| User: "JPG" |
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| Title: Re: The Greatest duties of all individuals |
04 Oct 2005 02:55:49 AM |
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On Tue, 4 Oct 2005 01:17:29 -0700, "Alexander" <poormoo@sympatico.ca> wrote:
The greatest duties of all individuals are when we forgive others for the
wrong they have done to us and never hold a grudge against them as long as
we live. Follow the laws of the land and show respect toward every
individual as you wish the same respect be shown to you. When there is
backbiting and gossip, it hurts not only others but also bring you, your
family, your people and your country great dishonor. Treat other people's
possessions and properties as if they were your own and never take that
which is not yours of which you have not worked to achieve. Any agreement
regarding anything whether it is legal or personal which you have made with
another person should be shown great respect and never violated in any shape
or form. If you want some thing in your life, work for it and have faith in
your abilities to achieve it. Every individual including yourself has the
potential for greatness. Every individual has the rights to life, liberty,
justice, equality and compassion, so never take these rights away from
anyone just as much as you do not wish the same rights to be taken away from
you. Be honest and truthful to yourself and others but always keep in mind
some things need not to be said but to be kept in secret for it may cause
you or another person harm if spoken out. Always strive to be happy the
best as you can because only you have the power to change your life, and
never look toward others to make your life happy for no one can make you
happy all of the time only some of the time. Never place yourself above
others just as you do not want others to place themselves above you because
we are all here in the same boat going through the river of life. Always
treat every individual as part of the crew of the same boat. Only together
we have the potential to achieve greatness and happiness which we are
seeking for. I wish you health and success in all you do in life.
Blessed Be.
Alexander
(Unitarian Universalist Pantheist)
Alexander, can you explain what a Unitarian Universalist Pantheist is?
Even though you say you are a theist (of sorts) there appears to be no room for
a deity in your worldview, and your extended "Golden Rule" above is entirely
naturalistic.
JPG
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| User: "Alexander" |
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| Title: Re: The Greatest duties of all individuals |
06 Oct 2005 03:42:39 AM |
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"JPG" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message
news:6qc4k1pctpl8f08jf5kasn0u2utj5ef5n2@4ax.com...
On Tue, 4 Oct 2005 01:17:29 -0700, "Alexander" <poormoo@sympatico.ca>
wrote:
The greatest duties of all individuals are when we forgive others for the
wrong they have done to us and never hold a grudge against them as long
as
we live. Follow the laws of the land and show respect toward every
individual as you wish the same respect be shown to you. When there is
backbiting and gossip, it hurts not only others but also bring you, your
family, your people and your country great dishonor. Treat other
people's
possessions and properties as if they were your own and never take that
which is not yours of which you have not worked to achieve. Any
agreement
regarding anything whether it is legal or personal which you have made
with
another person should be shown great respect and never violated in any
shape
or form. If you want some thing in your life, work for it and have faith
in
your abilities to achieve it. Every individual including yourself has
the
potential for greatness. Every individual has the rights to life,
liberty,
justice, equality and compassion, so never take these rights away from
anyone just as much as you do not wish the same rights to be taken away
from
you. Be honest and truthful to yourself and others but always keep in
mind
some things need not to be said but to be kept in secret for it may cause
you or another person harm if spoken out. Always strive to be happy the
best as you can because only you have the power to change your life, and
never look toward others to make your life happy for no one can make you
happy all of the time only some of the time. Never place yourself above
others just as you do not want others to place themselves above you
because
we are all here in the same boat going through the river of life. Always
treat every individual as part of the crew of the same boat. Only
together
we have the potential to achieve greatness and happiness which we are
seeking for. I wish you health and success in all you do in life.
Blessed Be.
Alexander
(Unitarian Universalist Pantheist)
Alexander, can you explain what a Unitarian Universalist Pantheist is?
I joined Unitarian Universalism because they accept every one regardless of
their differences in any shape or form as long as everyone treats each other
with respect no matter what we believe or not or what our differences are.
When you join a Unitarian Universalist fellowship, you come with your own
personal philosophy and belief system. No one is superior nor inferior in a
UU fellowship. This fellowship is for unity, equality, compassion, liberty
and justice for all. The responsible search for truth and meaning.
Therefore when I joined the UUs I came with my brand of philosphy or belief
system which is Pantheism. In my case Scientific Pantheism with a twist of
Mysticism and Naturalistic or Holestic way of life much like Wicca but
completly Pantheist in thought and practice.
Try this web site if you are in U.S.: http://www.uua.org/hotmail.html
or if you live in Canada try: http://www.cuc.ca
Even though you say you are a theist (of sorts) there appears to
be no room for a deity in your worldview, and your extended
"Golden Rule" above is entirely naturalistic.
That is why I am a Pantheist and not a theist nor an atheist; but a
combination of both in one. Call it "An Atheistic-Theism" if you wish.
Alexander
(Unitarian Universalist Pantheist)
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| Title: Re: Why Rocks Are Hard. |
11 Aug 2005 12:58:16 PM |
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On Mon, 11 Jul 2005 14:34:08 -0700, in alt.atheism , James
<arox@surfbest.net> in <jmn5d1lfgod5qln56eo8r9dgr012mj2iav@4ax.com>
wrote:
[snip]
As for your comment about "the evil spread of science and human
knowledge", the Bible has no problem with true science or accurate
human knowledge. When the Bible touches upon a scientific subject, I
have never seen it out of harmony with true science. And since it
really claims to be from God (2 Ti 3:16), it cannot be, since God
created all the natural sciences in the first place. (Ge 1:1)
Where is Heaven? Is it solid? What is beneath the Earth?
--
Matt Silberstein
Well ya see, Norm, it's like this. A herd of buffalo can only move as fast as the slowest buffalo. And when the herd is hunted, it is the slowest and weakest ones at the back that are killed first. This natural selection is good for the herd as a whole, because the general speed and health of the whole group keeps improving by the regular killing of the weakest members. In much the same way, the human brain can only operate as fast as the slowest brain cells. Excessive intake of alcohol, as we know, kills brain cells. But naturally, it attacks the slowest and weakest brain cells first. In this way, regular consumption of beer eliminates the weaker brain cells, making the brain a faster and more efficient machine. That's why you always feel smarter after a few beers.
Cliff on Cheers
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