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"Gary Bohn" |
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26 Apr 2004 02:28:21 PM |
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Re: Why the Atheist doesn't exist |
"Derelict" <not@at.home> wrote in message
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"Jim" <jim@goodwordusa.org> wrote in message
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Why the Atheist doesn't exist
There can be no such things as an atheist. This is why: Let's imagine
that you are a professing atheist. Here are two questions for you to
answer: First, do you know the combined weight of all the sand on all
the beaches of Hawaii? We can safely assume that you don't. This
brings us to the second question: Do you know how many hairs are on
the back of a fully-grown male Tibetan yak? Probably not. It is
therefore reasonable to conclude that there are some things that you
don't know. It is important to ask these questions because there are
some people who think they know everything.
Let's say that you know an incredible one percent of all the knowledge
in the universe. To know 100 percent, you would have to know
everything. There wouldn't be a rock in the universe that you would
not be intimately familiar with, or a grain of sand that you would not
be aware of. You would know everything that has happened in history,
from that which is common knowledge to the minor details of the secret
love life of Napoleon's great-grandmother's black cat's fleas. You
would know every hair of every head, and every thought of every heart.
All history would be laid out before you, because you would be
omniscient (all-knowing).
It certainly took you long enough to say two things I agree with;
1) I do not know everything.
2) I cannot prove any god does not exist.
Bear in mind that one of the greatest scientists who ever lived,
Thomas Edison, said, "We do not know a millionth of one percent about
anything." Let me repeat: Let's say that you have an incredible one
percent of all the knowledge in the universe. Would it be possible, in
the ninety-nine percent of the knowledge that you haven't yet come
across, that there might be ample evidence to prove the existence of
God? If you are reasonable, you will be forced to admit that it is
possible. Somewhere, in the knowledge you haven't yet discovered,
there could be enough evidence to prove that God does exist.
If there is a god(s) why does it lurk in the unknown?
Let's look at the same thought from another angle.
<SNIP>
Enough with the angles! I do not believe, therefore I exist.
Does this 'Jim' not realize that the same logic means that theists don't
exist either? According to him everyone is agnostic.
Leave it to a fundy to blur the line between belief and certainty.
Fundy version .. I do not think, therefore I am.
--
apatriot #23, aa #1779
Gary Bohn
Conservatism is not about tradition and morality, hasn't been for many
decades...It is about the putative biological and spiritual superiority of
the wealthy.
Greg Bear
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| User: "Charos" |
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| Title: Re: Why the Atheist doesn't exist |
27 Apr 2004 06:41:17 PM |
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"Gary Bohn" <garybohn@sasktel.net> wrote in message
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"Derelict" <not@at.home> wrote in message
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"Jim" <jim@goodwordusa.org> wrote in message
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Why the Atheist doesn't exist
There can be no such things as an atheist. This is why: Let's imagine
that you are a professing atheist. Here are two questions for you to
answer: First, do you know the combined weight of all the sand on all
the beaches of Hawaii? We can safely assume that you don't. This
brings us to the second question: Do you know how many hairs are on
the back of a fully-grown male Tibetan yak? Probably not. It is
therefore reasonable to conclude that there are some things that you
don't know. It is important to ask these questions because there are
some people who think they know everything.
Let's say that you know an incredible one percent of all the knowledge
in the universe. To know 100 percent, you would have to know
everything. There wouldn't be a rock in the universe that you would
not be intimately familiar with, or a grain of sand that you would not
be aware of. You would know everything that has happened in history,
from that which is common knowledge to the minor details of the secret
love life of Napoleon's great-grandmother's black cat's fleas. You
would know every hair of every head, and every thought of every heart.
All history would be laid out before you, because you would be
omniscient (all-knowing).
It certainly took you long enough to say two things I agree with;
1) I do not know everything.
2) I cannot prove any god does not exist.
Bear in mind that one of the greatest scientists who ever lived,
Thomas Edison, said, "We do not know a millionth of one percent about
anything." Let me repeat: Let's say that you have an incredible one
percent of all the knowledge in the universe. Would it be possible, in
the ninety-nine percent of the knowledge that you haven't yet come
across, that there might be ample evidence to prove the existence of
God? If you are reasonable, you will be forced to admit that it is
possible. Somewhere, in the knowledge you haven't yet discovered,
there could be enough evidence to prove that God does exist.
Piggybacking here...I could use the same argument against any theology I
wanted...we're human beings, of course we don't know "everything", but
that's not where belief stems from...all we can do is make the best effort
to reach a conclusion on the subject based on our genetic, experiential
understanding of reality...we don't HAVE to know everything, if we did there
would be no question any longer...since we DON'T know everything we have to
use various tools in order to "decode" reality...logic, faith etc. all fill
this roll...so while I would have no problem admitting that there very well
BE a god (though I have never been given solid evidence of this claim), YOU
would have to make the concession that perhaps there ISN'T a god...or at
least not your brand of god. Your putting one group under the microscope
with a badly thought out argument and avoiding putting your own religious
beliefs under the same microscope.
--
*+_Charos_+*
"Verily, I have often laughed at weaklings who thought themselves good
because they had no claws."
--Friedrich Nietzsche
http://www.darkwars.org/index.php?a=click&id=13143
Just click it!
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