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"Victor LeNettoyeur" |
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04 Apr 2004 11:41:00 PM |
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Re: why the satanists got it all wrong... |
"People's Commissar" <tjsrno@spam.com> wrote in
news:xY4cc.10875$NL4.9414@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net:
Oil industry - PROFITS is why. That's on a level that knows no
country or loyalty. It's pure profit. We already have an alternate -
the FUEL CELL! It's so damned clean it's a joke - the only byproduct
is drinkable water!
It's clean for the end-user. Bear in mind though that H isn't very
plentiful here on earth. We're going to have to get the H for your fuel
cells from someplace, probably from water, which is going to take a chunk
of energy to separate.
So in the end you'll have clean cars, but just that much more pollution
from the coal and gas burning plants which are providing the power to split
the water to provide the H for your fuel cell. You're sorta robbing Peter
to pay Paul.
One of the cooler propositions I've heard is from NASA - someone was
talking about putting an array of satellites up above the magnetosphere to
harness the solar wind, beaming down power in the form of a maser to a
station on Earth. Sounds sorta farfetched, but it'd be cool if they
launched a prototype.
--
When thou art much vexed or grieved, remember that a man's life is only a
moment, and after a short time we are all laid out dead.
-Marcus Aurelius
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| User: "Peoples Commissar" |
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| Title: Re: why the satanists got it all wrong... |
05 Apr 2004 10:30:24 PM |
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"Victor LeNettoyeur" <victor@blaspherionworld.zzn.com> wrote in message
news:Xns94C1DC8E42AFBvictor@electric.hellfire...
"People's Commissar" <tjsrno@spam.com> wrote in
news:xY4cc.10875$NL4.9414@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net:
Oil industry - PROFITS is why. That's on a level that knows no
country or loyalty. It's pure profit. We already have an alternate -
the FUEL CELL! It's so damned clean it's a joke - the only byproduct
is drinkable water!
It's clean for the end-user. Bear in mind though that H isn't very
plentiful here on earth. We're going to have to get the H for your fuel
cells from someplace, probably from water, which is going to take a chunk
of energy to separate.
So in the end you'll have clean cars, but just that much more pollution
from the coal and gas burning plants which are providing the power to
split
the water to provide the H for your fuel cell. You're sorta robbing Peter
to pay Paul.
Hmm, no - check out the Ballard Fuel Cell. No pollution at all. Fuel is
WATER! Byproduct is WATER. Either that, or learn to ride a horse!
One of the cooler propositions I've heard is from NASA - someone was
talking about putting an array of satellites up above the magnetosphere to
harness the solar wind, beaming down power in the form of a maser to a
station on Earth. Sounds sorta farfetched, but it'd be cool if they
launched a prototype.
I never heard of that.
--
When thou art much vexed or grieved, remember that a man's life is only a
moment, and after a short time we are all laid out dead.
-Marcus Aurelius
.
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| User: "Victor LeNettoyeur" |
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| Title: Re: why the satanists got it all wrong... |
05 Apr 2004 10:51:12 PM |
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Hi Tani,
"People's Commissar" <tjsrno@spam.com> wrote in
news:kvpcc.13138$yN6.752@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net:
"Victor LeNettoyeur" <victor@blaspherionworld.zzn.com> wrote in
message news:Xns94C1DC8E42AFBvictor@electric.hellfire...
"People's Commissar" <tjsrno@spam.com> wrote in
news:xY4cc.10875$NL4.9414@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net:
Oil industry - PROFITS is why. That's on a level that knows no
country or loyalty. It's pure profit. We already have an
alternate - the FUEL CELL! It's so damned clean it's a joke - the
only byproduct is drinkable water!
It's clean for the end-user. Bear in mind though that H isn't very
plentiful here on earth. We're going to have to get the H for your
fuel cells from someplace, probably from water, which is going to
take a chunk of energy to separate.
So in the end you'll have clean cars, but just that much more
pollution from the coal and gas burning plants which are providing
the power to
split
the water to provide the H for your fuel cell. You're sorta robbing
Peter to pay Paul.
Hmm, no - check out the Ballard Fuel Cell. No pollution at all.
Fuel is WATER! Byproduct is WATER. Either that, or learn to ride a
horse!
http://www.ewh.ieee.org/reg/7/millennium/ballard/ballard_info.html
The fuel is Hydrogen. Hydrogen is in water, of course, at the molecular
level anyway. You've got to get it out of the water though -- that takes
electricity, which comes from a power plant, and chances are that the
power plant is burning coal and creating extra emissions to split the
water and get the H, so that you can drive your emissions-free automobile
later. If it's not, then it's burning uranium, creating nuclear waste
that will have to be stored someplace.
It's impossible to get energy from water without pouring more energy into
the water first. Entropy, conservation, thermodynamics, etc.
--
When thou art much vexed or grieved, remember that a man's life is only a
moment, and after a short time we are all laid out dead.
-Marcus Aurelius
.
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| User: "Peoples Commissar" |
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| Title: Re: why the satanists got it all wrong... |
06 Apr 2004 06:30:12 PM |
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"Victor LeNettoyeur" <victor@blaspherionworld.zzn.com> wrote in message
news:Xns94C2D4197B6FBvictor@electric.hellfire...
Hi Tani,
"People's Commissar" <tjsrno@spam.com> wrote in
news:kvpcc.13138$yN6.752@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net:
"Victor LeNettoyeur" <victor@blaspherionworld.zzn.com> wrote in
message news:Xns94C1DC8E42AFBvictor@electric.hellfire...
"People's Commissar" <tjsrno@spam.com> wrote in
news:xY4cc.10875$NL4.9414@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net:
Oil industry - PROFITS is why. That's on a level that knows no
country or loyalty. It's pure profit. We already have an
alternate - the FUEL CELL! It's so damned clean it's a joke - the
only byproduct is drinkable water!
It's clean for the end-user. Bear in mind though that H isn't very
plentiful here on earth. We're going to have to get the H for your
fuel cells from someplace, probably from water, which is going to
take a chunk of energy to separate.
So in the end you'll have clean cars, but just that much more
pollution from the coal and gas burning plants which are providing
the power to
split
the water to provide the H for your fuel cell. You're sorta robbing
Peter to pay Paul.
Hmm, no - check out the Ballard Fuel Cell. No pollution at all.
Fuel is WATER! Byproduct is WATER. Either that, or learn to ride a
horse!
http://www.ewh.ieee.org/reg/7/millennium/ballard/ballard_info.html
The fuel is Hydrogen. Hydrogen is in water, of course, at the molecular
level anyway. You've got to get it out of the water though -- that takes
electricity, which comes from a power plant, and chances are that the
power plant is burning coal and creating extra emissions to split the
water and get the H, so that you can drive your emissions-free automobile
later. If it's not, then it's burning uranium, creating nuclear waste
that will have to be stored someplace.
Hmm, the model I saw - you put water into it. The cell itself separated the
atoms in the water. If you put two electrodes in water, + and - I think the
H would come out of the water. I know they used these fuel cells already.
Storing nuclear waste - NOT an option.
It's impossible to get energy from water without pouring more energy into
the water first. Entropy, conservation, thermodynamics, etc.
LMAO - go Victor. The E word... I know that - but from what I read long
ago, I'm pretty sure they were pouring water into the thing and the cell was
getting the H from it - leaving a clean byproduct. So far the problem with
making fuel cell cars is that the mechamism is TOO BIG and HEAVY for a car.
Someone that knew about this said that such would create puddles - many many
puddles - LMAO. Such large new bodies of water all over would change the
environment. Yeah - so what? It's changing anyway - too much water is not
as bad as nuclear waste.
--
When thou art much vexed or grieved, remember that a man's life is only a
moment, and after a short time we are all laid out dead.
-Marcus Aurelius
.
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| User: "Victor LeNettoyeur" |
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| Title: Re: why the satanists got it all wrong... |
07 Apr 2004 01:26:41 AM |
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"People's Commissar" <tjsrno@spam.com> wrote in
news:84Hcc.13657$yN6.8233@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net:
"Victor LeNettoyeur" <victor@blaspherionworld.zzn.com> wrote in
message news:Xns94C2D4197B6FBvictor@electric.hellfire...
Hi Tani,
"People's Commissar" <tjsrno@spam.com> wrote in
news:kvpcc.13138$yN6.752@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net:
"Victor LeNettoyeur" <victor@blaspherionworld.zzn.com> wrote in
message news:Xns94C1DC8E42AFBvictor@electric.hellfire...
"People's Commissar" <tjsrno@spam.com> wrote in
news:xY4cc.10875$NL4.9414@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net:
Oil industry - PROFITS is why. That's on a level that knows no
country or loyalty. It's pure profit. We already have an
alternate - the FUEL CELL! It's so damned clean it's a joke -
the only byproduct is drinkable water!
It's clean for the end-user. Bear in mind though that H isn't very
plentiful here on earth. We're going to have to get the H for your
fuel cells from someplace, probably from water, which is going to
take a chunk of energy to separate.
So in the end you'll have clean cars, but just that much more
pollution from the coal and gas burning plants which are providing
the power to
split
the water to provide the H for your fuel cell. You're sorta
robbing Peter to pay Paul.
Hmm, no - check out the Ballard Fuel Cell. No pollution at all.
Fuel is WATER! Byproduct is WATER. Either that, or learn to ride
a horse!
http://www.ewh.ieee.org/reg/7/millennium/ballard/ballard_info.html
The fuel is Hydrogen. Hydrogen is in water, of course, at the
molecular level anyway. You've got to get it out of the water though
-- that takes electricity, which comes from a power plant, and
chances are that the power plant is burning coal and creating extra
emissions to split the water and get the H, so that you can drive
your emissions-free automobile later. If it's not, then it's burning
uranium, creating nuclear waste that will have to be stored
someplace.
Hmm, the model I saw - you put water into it. The cell itself
separated the atoms in the water. If you put two electrodes in water,
+ and - I think the H would come out of the water. I know they used
these fuel cells already. Storing nuclear waste - NOT an option.
You're right, but you have to power the current running through the
electrodes to get the H and O out of the H2O. The power's got to come
from someplace. Batteries (which were charged via burning coal or
uranium) or a power plant creating emissions.
It's impossible to get energy from water without pouring more energy
into the water first. Entropy, conservation, thermodynamics, etc.
LMAO - go Victor. The E word... I know that - but from what I read
long ago, I'm pretty sure they were pouring water into the thing and
the cell was getting the H from it - leaving a clean byproduct.
Well, the whole point of entropy is the fact that some energy gets lost
along the way. There ain't no perpetual motion machines (except perhaps
in the huckster's tent at the carnival). I'm sure Lupo can explain this
better than I can or correct me if I'm wrong. In any machine, energy will
come from someplace else. You can change kinetic energy into chemical
energy and etc., but entropy means that you'll have to put in more
kinetic energy into the process than the chemical energy you get out, or
vice-versa. You always lose some to heat exchange or waste vibrations or
whatever in any machine.
So
far the problem with making fuel cell cars is that the mechamism is
TOO BIG and HEAVY for a car. Someone that knew about this said that
such would create puddles - many many puddles - LMAO. Such large new
bodies of water all over would change the environment. Yeah - so
what? It's changing anyway - too much water is not as bad as nuclear
waste.
That's true. And it is pretty interesting. It's only a shame that we
can't tap a pressurized well and get liquid H out of the ground like we
do with fossil fuels, huh? It's the most abundant element in the
universe, and earth is nearly devoid of it. such an irony.
--
"In a perfect world, we would have Michael Moore in a room being knife-
raped by Charleton Heston. The whole room would be miked so the whole
world could hear the fat, whine-hole scream and cry. This would be
wonderful. We'd pump it out of speakers in major cities. Maybe one day.
One day."
-S. Partridge
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| User: "Peoples Commissar" |
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| Title: Re: why the satanists got it all wrong... |
07 Apr 2004 01:57:50 AM |
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"Victor LeNettoyeur" <victor@blaspherionworld.zzn.com> wrote in message
news:Xns94C3EE798E6AAvictor@electric.hellfire...
"People's Commissar" <tjsrno@spam.com> wrote in
news:84Hcc.13657$yN6.8233@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net:
"Victor LeNettoyeur" <victor@blaspherionworld.zzn.com> wrote in
message news:Xns94C2D4197B6FBvictor@electric.hellfire...
Hi Tani,
"People's Commissar" <tjsrno@spam.com> wrote in
news:kvpcc.13138$yN6.752@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net:
"Victor LeNettoyeur" <victor@blaspherionworld.zzn.com> wrote in
message news:Xns94C1DC8E42AFBvictor@electric.hellfire...
"People's Commissar" <tjsrno@spam.com> wrote in
news:xY4cc.10875$NL4.9414@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net:
Oil industry - PROFITS is why. That's on a level that knows no
country or loyalty. It's pure profit. We already have an
alternate - the FUEL CELL! It's so damned clean it's a joke -
the only byproduct is drinkable water!
It's clean for the end-user. Bear in mind though that H isn't very
plentiful here on earth. We're going to have to get the H for your
fuel cells from someplace, probably from water, which is going to
take a chunk of energy to separate.
So in the end you'll have clean cars, but just that much more
pollution from the coal and gas burning plants which are providing
the power to
split
the water to provide the H for your fuel cell. You're sorta
robbing Peter to pay Paul.
Hmm, no - check out the Ballard Fuel Cell. No pollution at all.
Fuel is WATER! Byproduct is WATER. Either that, or learn to ride
a horse!
http://www.ewh.ieee.org/reg/7/millennium/ballard/ballard_info.html
The fuel is Hydrogen. Hydrogen is in water, of course, at the
molecular level anyway. You've got to get it out of the water though
-- that takes electricity, which comes from a power plant, and
chances are that the power plant is burning coal and creating extra
emissions to split the water and get the H, so that you can drive
your emissions-free automobile later. If it's not, then it's burning
uranium, creating nuclear waste that will have to be stored
someplace.
Hmm, the model I saw - you put water into it. The cell itself
separated the atoms in the water. If you put two electrodes in water,
+ and - I think the H would come out of the water. I know they used
these fuel cells already. Storing nuclear waste - NOT an option.
You're right, but you have to power the current running through the
electrodes to get the H and O out of the H2O. The power's got to come
from someplace. Batteries (which were charged via burning coal or
uranium) or a power plant creating emissions.
I don't know where the fuel cells that they did use (and do use in some
areas) are getting this.
It's impossible to get energy from water without pouring more energy
into the water first. Entropy, conservation, thermodynamics, etc.
LMAO - go Victor. The E word... I know that - but from what I read
long ago, I'm pretty sure they were pouring water into the thing and
the cell was getting the H from it - leaving a clean byproduct.
Well, the whole point of entropy is the fact that some energy gets lost
along the way.
Yah, I know that. Pick your arm up to type - and you have created more
entropy because you made "matter energy transfer" or "work." I don't know
exactly how the fuel cells that are working - or that were used before -
were doing this - but they worked.
There ain't no perpetual motion machines (except perhaps
in the huckster's tent at the carnival). I'm sure Lupo can explain this
better than I can or correct me if I'm wrong.
You're right. My point is that the fuel cells are cleaner than anything we
now have.
In any machine, energy will
come from someplace else. You can change kinetic energy into chemical
energy and etc., but entropy means that you'll have to put in more
kinetic energy into the process than the chemical energy you get out, or
vice-versa. You always lose some to heat exchange or waste vibrations or
whatever in any machine.
So
far the problem with making fuel cell cars is that the mechamism is
TOO BIG and HEAVY for a car. Someone that knew about this said that
such would create puddles - many many puddles - LMAO. Such large new
bodies of water all over would change the environment. Yeah - so
what? It's changing anyway - too much water is not as bad as nuclear
waste.
That's true. And it is pretty interesting. It's only a shame that we
can't tap a pressurized well and get liquid H out of the ground like we
do with fossil fuels, huh? It's the most abundant element in the
universe, and earth is nearly devoid of it. such an irony.
Well, if they heated up water so hot that it was plasma - they'd be able to
burn ANY kind of waste in it and get H from it. Oh, it would be costly to
make such machines everywhere - but think of the future. You could also get
H from that.
I don't know how the fuel cells are made - and I guess that's a blueprint or
patent secret or whatever.
They also abandoned that sonoluminescence - where they did get light from
sound. Too bad. I think that nothing that would detract from the oil
industry will be available and cheap. They'd make sure of that, I think.
--
"In a perfect world, we would have Michael Moore in a room being knife-
raped by Charleton Heston. The whole room would be miked so the whole
world could hear the fat, whine-hole scream and cry. This would be
wonderful. We'd pump it out of speakers in major cities. Maybe one day.
One day."
-S. Partridge
.
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| User: "Scott" |
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| Title: Re: why the satanists got it all wrong... |
07 Apr 2004 02:06:20 AM |
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In article <ODNcc.12452$NL4.10736@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net>,
tjsrno@spam.com says...
"Victor LeNettoyeur" <victor@blaspherionworld.zzn.com> wrote in message
news:Xns94C3EE798E6AAvictor@electric.hellfire...
"People's Commissar" <tjsrno@spam.com> wrote in
news:84Hcc.13657$yN6.8233@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net:
"Victor LeNettoyeur" <victor@blaspherionworld.zzn.com> wrote in
message news:Xns94C2D4197B6FBvictor@electric.hellfire...
Hi Tani,
"People's Commissar" <tjsrno@spam.com> wrote in
news:kvpcc.13138$yN6.752@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net:
"Victor LeNettoyeur" <victor@blaspherionworld.zzn.com> wrote in
message news:Xns94C1DC8E42AFBvictor@electric.hellfire...
"People's Commissar" <tjsrno@spam.com> wrote in
news:xY4cc.10875$NL4.9414@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net:
Oil industry - PROFITS is why. That's on a level that knows no
country or loyalty. It's pure profit. We already have an
alternate - the FUEL CELL! It's so damned clean it's a joke -
the only byproduct is drinkable water!
It's clean for the end-user. Bear in mind though that H isn't very
plentiful here on earth. We're going to have to get the H for your
fuel cells from someplace, probably from water, which is going to
take a chunk of energy to separate.
So in the end you'll have clean cars, but just that much more
pollution from the coal and gas burning plants which are providing
the power to
split
the water to provide the H for your fuel cell. You're sorta
robbing Peter to pay Paul.
Hmm, no - check out the Ballard Fuel Cell. No pollution at all.
Fuel is WATER! Byproduct is WATER. Either that, or learn to ride
a horse!
http://www.ewh.ieee.org/reg/7/millennium/ballard/ballard_info.html
The fuel is Hydrogen. Hydrogen is in water, of course, at the
molecular level anyway. You've got to get it out of the water though
-- that takes electricity, which comes from a power plant, and
chances are that the power plant is burning coal and creating extra
emissions to split the water and get the H, so that you can drive
your emissions-free automobile later. If it's not, then it's burning
uranium, creating nuclear waste that will have to be stored
someplace.
Hmm, the model I saw - you put water into it. The cell itself
separated the atoms in the water. If you put two electrodes in water,
+ and - I think the H would come out of the water. I know they used
these fuel cells already. Storing nuclear waste - NOT an option.
You're right, but you have to power the current running through the
electrodes to get the H and O out of the H2O. The power's got to come
from someplace. Batteries (which were charged via burning coal or
uranium) or a power plant creating emissions.
I don't know where the fuel cells that they did use (and do use in some
areas) are getting this.
It's impossible to get energy from water without pouring more energy
into the water first. Entropy, conservation, thermodynamics, etc.
LMAO - go Victor. The E word... I know that - but from what I read
long ago, I'm pretty sure they were pouring water into the thing and
the cell was getting the H from it - leaving a clean byproduct.
Well, the whole point of entropy is the fact that some energy gets lost
along the way.
Yah, I know that. Pick your arm up to type - and you have created more
entropy because you made "matter energy transfer" or "work." I don't know
exactly how the fuel cells that are working - or that were used before -
were doing this - but they worked.
There ain't no perpetual motion machines (except perhaps
in the huckster's tent at the carnival). I'm sure Lupo can explain this
better than I can or correct me if I'm wrong.
You're right. My point is that the fuel cells are cleaner than anything we
now have.
In any machine, energy will
come from someplace else. You can change kinetic energy into chemical
energy and etc., but entropy means that you'll have to put in more
kinetic energy into the process than the chemical energy you get out, or
vice-versa. You always lose some to heat exchange or waste vibrations or
whatever in any machine.
So
far the problem with making fuel cell cars is that the mechamism is
TOO BIG and HEAVY for a car. Someone that knew about this said that
such would create puddles - many many puddles - LMAO. Such large new
bodies of water all over would change the environment. Yeah - so
what? It's changing anyway - too much water is not as bad as nuclear
waste.
That's true. And it is pretty interesting. It's only a shame that we
can't tap a pressurized well and get liquid H out of the ground like we
do with fossil fuels, huh? It's the most abundant element in the
universe, and earth is nearly devoid of it. such an irony.
Well, if they heated up water so hot that it was plasma -
That would never work -- water would vaporise
into steam first.
--
"I regret to say that we of the FBI are powerless
to act in cases of oral-genital intimacy, unless
it has in some way obstructed interstate commerce."
-- J. Edgar Hoover
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| User: "Peoples Commissar" |
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| Title: Re: why the satanists got it all wrong... |
07 Apr 2004 07:48:51 PM |
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"Scott" <woogawooga99@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:MPG.1add5659e8d6cf4798a614@news.alt.net...
In article <ODNcc.12452$NL4.10736@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net>,
tjsrno@spam.com says...
"Victor LeNettoyeur" <victor@blaspherionworld.zzn.com> wrote in message
news:Xns94C3EE798E6AAvictor@electric.hellfire...
That's true. And it is pretty interesting. It's only a shame that we
can't tap a pressurized well and get liquid H out of the ground like
we
do with fossil fuels, huh? It's the most abundant element in the
universe, and earth is nearly devoid of it. such an irony.
Well, if they heated up water so hot that it was plasma - (I had said
that the plasma can actually get rid of the trash we have and turn it all
into mostly H.)
That would never work -- water would vaporise
into steam first.
Actually, it was done in one experiment I heard of about 10 or so years
ago - it worked. The plasma was contained. Sorry, no details.
--
"I regret to say that we of the FBI are powerless
to act in cases of oral-genital intimacy, unless
it has in some way obstructed interstate commerce."
-- J. Edgar Hoover
.
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| User: "Scott" |
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| Title: Re: why the satanists got it all wrong... |
07 Apr 2004 08:32:10 PM |
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In article <Tj1dc.921$zj3.485@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net>,
tjsrno@spam.com says...
"Scott" <woogawooga99@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:MPG.1add5659e8d6cf4798a614@news.alt.net...
In article <ODNcc.12452$NL4.10736@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net>,
tjsrno@spam.com says...
"Victor LeNettoyeur" <victor@blaspherionworld.zzn.com> wrote in message
news:Xns94C3EE798E6AAvictor@electric.hellfire...
That's true. And it is pretty interesting. It's only a shame that we
can't tap a pressurized well and get liquid H out of the ground like
we
do with fossil fuels, huh? It's the most abundant element in the
universe, and earth is nearly devoid of it. such an irony.
Well, if they heated up water so hot that it was plasma - (I had said
that the plasma can actually get rid of the trash we have and turn it all
into mostly H.)
That would never work -- water would vaporise
into steam first.
Actually, it was done in one experiment I heard of about 10 or so years
ago - it worked. The plasma was contained. Sorry, no details.
What a surprise!
--
Ah, breaker one-nine, this here's the Rubber Duck.
You gotta copy on me, Pig Pen, c'mon? Ah, yeah,
10-4, Pig Pen, fer shure, fer shure. By golly,
it's clean clear to Flag Town, c'mon. Yeah,
that's a big 10-4 there, Pig Pen, yeah, we
definitely got the front door, good buddy.
Mercy sakes alive, looks like we got us a convoy...
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| Title: Re: why the satanists got it all wrong... |
08 Apr 2004 07:01:34 PM |
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"Scott" <woogawooga99@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:MPG.1ade5984cb2ed7bc98a643@news.alt.net...
In article <Tj1dc.921$zj3.485@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net>,
tjsrno@spam.com says...
"Scott" <woogawooga99@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:MPG.1add5659e8d6cf4798a614@news.alt.net...
In article <ODNcc.12452$NL4.10736@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net>,
tjsrno@spam.com says...
"Victor LeNettoyeur" <victor@blaspherionworld.zzn.com> wrote in
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That's true. And it is pretty interesting. It's only a shame that
we
can't tap a pressurized well and get liquid H out of the ground
like
we
do with fossil fuels, huh? It's the most abundant element in the
universe, and earth is nearly devoid of it. such an irony.
Well, if they heated up water so hot that it was plasma - (I had
said
that the plasma can actually get rid of the trash we have and turn it
all
into mostly H.)
That would never work -- water would vaporise
into steam first.
Actually, it was done in one experiment I heard of about 10 or so years
ago - it worked. The plasma was contained. Sorry, no details.
What a surprise!
http://www.chuden.co.jp/english/corporation/press/president/breief1226_02.html
Apparently, it's being used at least in some places.
--
Ah, breaker one-nine, this here's the Rubber Duck.
You gotta copy on me, Pig Pen, c'mon? Ah, yeah,
10-4, Pig Pen, fer shure, fer shure. By golly,
it's clean clear to Flag Town, c'mon. Yeah,
that's a big 10-4 there, Pig Pen, yeah, we
definitely got the front door, good buddy.
Mercy sakes alive, looks like we got us a convoy...
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| User: "Aubz" |
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| Title: Re: why the satanists got it all wrong... |
08 Apr 2004 05:07:15 AM |
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Scott scrivened news:MPG.1add5659e8d6cf4798a614@news.alt.net in
alt.antichristnet:
In article <ODNcc.12452$NL4.10736@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net>,
tjsrno@spam.com says...
"Victor LeNettoyeur" <victor@blaspherionworld.zzn.com> wrote in
message news:Xns94C3EE798E6AAvictor@electric.hellfire...
"People's Commissar" <tjsrno@spam.com> wrote in
news:84Hcc.13657$yN6.8233@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net:
"Victor LeNettoyeur" <victor@blaspherionworld.zzn.com> wrote in
message news:Xns94C2D4197B6FBvictor@electric.hellfire...
Hi Tani,
"People's Commissar" <tjsrno@spam.com> wrote in
news:kvpcc.13138$yN6.752@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net:
"Victor LeNettoyeur" <victor@blaspherionworld.zzn.com> wrote
in message news:Xns94C1DC8E42AFBvictor@electric.hellfire...
"People's Commissar" <tjsrno@spam.com> wrote in
news:xY4cc.10875$NL4.9414@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net:
Oil industry - PROFITS is why. That's on a level that
knows no country or loyalty. It's pure profit. We already
have an alternate - the FUEL CELL! It's so damned clean
it's a joke - the only byproduct is drinkable water!
It's clean for the end-user. Bear in mind though that H isn't
very plentiful here on earth. We're going to have to get the
H for your fuel cells from someplace, probably from water,
which is going to take a chunk of energy to separate.
So in the end you'll have clean cars, but just that much more
pollution from the coal and gas burning plants which are
providing the power to
split
the water to provide the H for your fuel cell. You're sorta
robbing Peter to pay Paul.
Hmm, no - check out the Ballard Fuel Cell. No pollution at
all. Fuel is WATER! Byproduct is WATER. Either that, or
learn to ride a horse!
http://www.ewh.ieee.org/reg/7/millennium/ballard/ballard_info.htm
l
The fuel is Hydrogen. Hydrogen is in water, of course, at the
molecular level anyway. You've got to get it out of the water
though -- that takes electricity, which comes from a power
plant, and chances are that the power plant is burning coal and
creating extra emissions to split the water and get the H, so
that you can drive your emissions-free automobile later. If it's
not, then it's burning uranium, creating nuclear waste that will
have to be stored someplace.
Hmm, the model I saw - you put water into it. The cell itself
separated the atoms in the water. If you put two electrodes in
water, + and - I think the H would come out of the water. I know
they used these fuel cells already. Storing nuclear waste - NOT
an option.
You're right, but you have to power the current running through the
electrodes to get the H and O out of the H2O. The power's got to
come from someplace. Batteries (which were charged via burning coal
or uranium) or a power plant creating emissions.
I don't know where the fuel cells that they did use (and do use in
some areas) are getting this.
It's impossible to get energy from water without pouring more
energy into the water first. Entropy, conservation,
thermodynamics, etc.
LMAO - go Victor. The E word... I know that - but from what I
read long ago, I'm pretty sure they were pouring water into the
thing and the cell was getting the H from it - leaving a clean
byproduct.
Well, the whole point of entropy is the fact that some energy gets
lost along the way.
Yah, I know that. Pick your arm up to type - and you have created
more entropy because you made "matter energy transfer" or "work." I
don't know exactly how the fuel cells that are working - or that were
used before - were doing this - but they worked.
There ain't no perpetual motion machines (except perhaps
in the huckster's tent at the carnival). I'm sure Lupo can explain
this better than I can or correct me if I'm wrong.
You're right. My point is that the fuel cells are cleaner than
anything we now have.
In any machine, energy will
come from someplace else. You can change kinetic energy into
chemical energy and etc., but entropy means that you'll have to put
in more kinetic energy into the process than the chemical energy
you get out, or vice-versa. You always lose some to heat exchange
or waste vibrations or whatever in any machine.
So
far the problem with making fuel cell cars is that the mechamism
is TOO BIG and HEAVY for a car. Someone that knew about this said
that such would create puddles - many many puddles - LMAO. Such
large new bodies of water all over would change the environment.
Yeah - so what? It's changing anyway - too much water is not as
bad as nuclear waste.
That's true. And it is pretty interesting. It's only a shame that
we can't tap a pressurized well and get liquid H out of the ground
like we do with fossil fuels, huh? It's the most abundant element
in the universe, and earth is nearly devoid of it. such an irony.
Well, if they heated up water so hot that it was plasma -
That would never work -- water would vaporise
into steam first.
Not true-steam cannot exist above 100°c as it is composed of droplets of
condensed water vapour.The water would vapourise before becoming plasma,but
that wouldn't affect the fact that the water would become plasma at all.
--
"Archaeologists working near Mt Sinai have discovered what is believed to
be a missing page from the Bible.If verified by radiocarbon dating,the page
is believed to belong at the beginning of the Bible,and is reported to read
'To my darling Candy.This book is a work of fiction,and any resemblance to
any persons,living or dead,is purely coincidental'.The page has been
universally condemned by church leaders".
Groovy Funky Channel 27 News,Red Dwarf series 2,Better than life.
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| User: "Scot McDermid" |
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| Title: Re: why the satanists got it all wrong... |
05 Apr 2004 10:18:13 AM |
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"Victor LeNettoyeur" <victor@blaspherionworld.zzn.com> wrote in message
news:Xns94C1DC8E42AFBvictor@electric.hellfire...
"People's Commissar" <tjsrno@spam.com> wrote in
news:xY4cc.10875$NL4.9414@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net:
Oil industry - PROFITS is why. That's on a level that knows no
country or loyalty. It's pure profit. We already have an alternate -
the FUEL CELL! It's so damned clean it's a joke - the only byproduct
is drinkable water!
It's clean for the end-user. Bear in mind though that H isn't very
plentiful here on earth. We're going to have to get the H for your fuel
cells from someplace, probably from water, which is going to take a chunk
of energy to separate.
So in the end you'll have clean cars, but just that much more pollution
from the coal and gas burning plants which are providing the power to
split
the water to provide the H for your fuel cell. You're sorta robbing Peter
to pay Paul.
You can use hydro-electric power to split the water. All you need for
that is water and hills. Of course there probably isn't enough hydro-
electric dams to supply the total need but at least it's a start.
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| User: "blacknblue" |
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| Title: Re: why the satanists got it all wrong... |
06 Apr 2004 12:01:03 AM |
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"Scot McDermid" <scotmc@optNOonSPAMline.net> wrote in message news:<VMecc.10493$7r2.1277851@news4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net>...
"Victor LeNettoyeur" <victor@blaspherionworld.zzn.com> wrote in message
news:Xns94C1DC8E42AFBvictor@electric.hellfire...
"People's Commissar" <tjsrno@spam.com> wrote in
news:xY4cc.10875$NL4.9414@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net:
Oil industry - PROFITS is why. That's on a level that knows no
country or loyalty. It's pure profit. We already have an alternate -
the FUEL CELL! It's so damned clean it's a joke - the only byproduct
is drinkable water!
It's clean for the end-user. Bear in mind though that H isn't very
plentiful here on earth. We're going to have to get the H for your fuel
cells from someplace, probably from water, which is going to take a chunk
of energy to separate.
So in the end you'll have clean cars, but just that much more pollution
from the coal and gas burning plants which are providing the power to
split
the water to provide the H for your fuel cell. You're sorta robbing Peter
to pay Paul.
You can use hydro-electric power to split the water. All you need for
that is water and hills. Of course there probably isn't enough hydro-
electric dams to supply the total need but at least it's a start.
Last time I checked the EPA was out to destroy some damns...don't know
how many, but I saw one of them being destroyed in Georgia on Cnn
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| User: "William Klee" |
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| Title: Re: why the satanists got it all wrong... |
05 Apr 2004 07:42:15 PM |
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In article <Xns94C1DC8E42AFBvictor@electric.hellfire>, Victor
LeNettoyeur <victor@blaspherionworld.zzn.com> wrote:
"People's Commissar" <tjsrno@spam.com> wrote in
news:xY4cc.10875$NL4.9414@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net:
Oil industry - PROFITS is why. That's on a level that knows no
country or loyalty. It's pure profit. We already have an alternate -
the FUEL CELL! It's so damned clean it's a joke - the only byproduct
is drinkable water!
It's clean for the end-user. Bear in mind though that H isn't very
plentiful here on earth. We're going to have to get the H for your fuel
cells from someplace, probably from water, which is going to take a chunk
of energy to separate.
So in the end you'll have clean cars, but just that much more pollution
from the coal and gas burning plants which are providing the power to split
the water to provide the H for your fuel cell. You're sorta robbing Peter
to pay Paul.
One of the cooler propositions I've heard is from NASA - someone was
talking about putting an array of satellites up above the magnetosphere to
harness the solar wind, beaming down power in the form of a maser to a
station on Earth. Sounds sorta farfetched, but it'd be cool if they
launched a prototype.
While I love the idea of orbital power stations, they also scare me.
Imagine someone managing to take control of one of the stations, at
least to the extent of controlling beam path. Do you want someone
writing their name with, say, a 50 giga-watt maser?
I picked up a book several years ago called "The Millenial Project" or
somesuch, and they proposed something they called OTEP power units. The
idea, as best I recal, was to drop large tubes a couple of thousand
feet straight down into the ocean and pump water to the surface. The
OTEP could use the difference in surface and deep water to generate
electricity. IIRC, they were claiming about 19 mega-watts/unit. Use
that power to split water to get hydrogen.
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| User: "SMChristenson" |
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| Title: Re: why the satanists got it all wrong... |
05 Apr 2004 09:29:07 AM |
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On Mon, 05 Apr 2004 04:41:00 +0000, Victor LeNettoyeur wrote:
One of the cooler propositions I've heard is from NASA - someone was
talking about putting an array of satellites up above the magnetosphere
to harness the solar wind, beaming down power in the form of a maser to
a station on Earth. Sounds sorta farfetched, but it'd be cool if they
launched a prototype.
Yeah, but the property values will go down around the beam down sites. :)
I think smaller and more efficient is our best short-term bet. I'm fond
of various terrestrial solar research, but your point about pollution must
be taken very seriously. Pollution isn't just what comes out of a
smokestack or exhaust. Look at Silicon Valley chemical pollution from
semiconductor manufacturing.
(To be really honest, I think population control is our _very_ best bet
for a sustainable planet. And that relates directly to alt.atheism as
long as the Pope keeps telling women to shove out babies as fast as
possible.)
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