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"LionOfJudah" <bcozier@bellsouth.net> Thu, 25 Sep 2003 23:14:37 -0400 reare=
dback &
opined the following, yup, he did it.
<walksalone> wrote in message news:08zr224@walksalone...
Seems to me with all the flapdoodle revolving around when the xian
trinity
was introduced
[c.a. 325 CE Gregorian], the questioin should be why was the trinity
introduced.
Personal guess, the Greeks had no choice. They were used to the concept
&
they were used to
the claim for the biggest baddest gods around. They had nothing else to
hang their claim on,
even though their mythology had gods & goddesses that were more than a
trinity unto
themselves. Since the Roman conquest they were no longer the power th=
ey
had been in the
region. More to it than that of course, trying to save bandwidth.
Athena had several different roles & names, Aphrodirte, Apollo, all t=
he
major gods had
aspects in pan Hellenic Greece that make the xian trinity look pale.
So why a trinity???
Open to ideas
The Father -- the boundless, deathless, incprruptible and indestructible
Spirit of the Highest which is the unbound Buddha, the Blessed One..
Are you indicating you don't really have a good idea why a trinity would ha=
ve to be
incorporated in the xian mythology?
The Son -- the Son of the Blessed One (Mark:14:61-62) who suffered and
entered into his glory of the unbound Father and thus the gift of the Hol=
y
Ghost (the Spirit of the Father) is now able to be given to those who
follow
Christ (see John:7:39) The Spirit of Christ is a door to his Father's
kingdom.
It would appear that you are making an appeal to biblical authority which i=
s not existent to
anyone that does not presume that it really is anything worth getting excit=
ed about.
The Holy Ghost -- This is the Spirit that proceeds from the Father and is
given because the Son has entered into the glory of his Father (see
John:7:39). It is not the totality of the Father, but is referring
specifically to the Spirit of the Father when it is given by the Son to
those who keep his commandments.
This really does not address the question at all, it is known that the conc=
ept was not given
consideration until after Constantine took over the Roman Empire & that was=
somewhere
around three hundred and twenty-five BCE, and it is also known that the ear=
ly church
founders/fathers did not even consider Jesus of Nazareth as divine.
The theory is since the Father is deathless, then those who receive his
Spirit now fulfilled by the Son entereing into his glory of the Father,
they
Really? Considering the average xian can not tell you which god from their =
pantheon that they
consider the father is, I suspect you are on rather shaky ground here.
BTW, that would be el and not yahwe. You may read the xian grimorie for mor=
e information on
that.
also conquer death and inherit eternal life with the Son who is
established forever in the kingdom of the Highest, the kingdom of his Fat=
her.
A concept not found in the founding documents of the xian mythology. Nor ca=
n I see where this
supports the need of a trinity. So we return to the question of why a trini=
ty is necessary.
Technically it's not a trinity but the unity of unbound Father and the
Actually, the concept is called a triad & is found in Egyptian mythology.
Son,
referred to as the new man in the New Testament scripture...however Jesus
felt it necessary to refer to the Spirit of the Father after it is give=
n
and
when we receive it, as the Holy Ghost.
Who is known as amun in the Egyptian mythology. Actually, amun has more aut=
hority for he is
a primordial force.
But it appears that what you are telling me is that you don't know why but =
you are aware of a
claimed authority for such a concept. If this is incorrect please start all=
over.
Ephesians:2:15: Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of
commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself *of twain*
one
new man, so making peace;
18: For through him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father.
snip
See it's not really a trinity, but I guess it can be thought of as a
trinity
Not really, for what you have described is a triad which is a unique & iden=
tifiable concept.
The xian mythology insists that the trinity is in fact in spite of the foun=
ding documents of their
mythology. This is what has led to this particular question.
technically for reasons only Jesus knows the nature of the Spirit when it
is
given and chooses to refer to that specifically as the Holy Ghost.
The concept you are attempting to convey is not acting of concert to those =
who have studied
that particular mythology entrance realize there is no actual reason for th=
e existence of a
claimed trinity. Not even a triad, for reasons to long to go into here the =
holy spirit was
required for impregnation of Mary because of gods like zeus.
John:15:26: But *when the Comforter is come*, whom I will send unto you
*from the Father*, even the Spirit of truth, *which proceedeth from the
Father*, he shall testify of me:
The Comforter is the Holy Ghost :
I've heard the claim & now I'm looking for evidence. The holy spirit as acc=
laimed in the xian
mythology as do many similarities to other holy spirit to be taken seriousl=
y. Attitudes that to
utilize a look to verify the claims made in that book is normally referred =
to as circular
reasoning and is not a very good technique to convince anyone that you know=
what you are
talking about.
What this message convinces me of at this point is you haven't a clue as to=
why a trinity is
so central to the xian mythology even though you are aware of passages that=
in theory lend
support to the claim. But at least you tried to give information even thoug=
h it appears you do
not have it, possible that or you are not approaching the question head on =
but from the side.
walksalone who does appreciate your attempt to answer the question but feel=
s you have failed
to do so.
.
