| Topic: |
Religions > Atheism |
| User: |
"Jim F." |
| Date: |
08 Jun 2004 07:07:54 PM |
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Re: Wonderful world of atheism |
"Mary Hogan" <hoogy@zoominternet.net> wrote in message
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The evolutionary theory is based solely on random occurrences.....
You obviously haven't been keeping up. Your statement is flat out wrong.
The process of natural selection is NOT a random process. One could
describe the process of the generation of variations, to be random, at
least in relation to natural selection. But even the generation of
variations
by mutations is not literally speaking a random process either. And those
variations, no matter how random they might be, are subjected to
differential selection by their environments.
Lack of
design = no plan... How could there be no plan...when everything has an
apparent purpose of some sort...whether it is clear or not clear to the
observer.
That's why I have suggested that people read Dawkins' book *The Blind
Watchmaker* since he deals directly with that question. And his answer
is that the adaptiveness of organisms to their environment is explicable
in terms of purely natural, mechanistic processes. No designer, need
be posited, in order to account for it.
And though something is unclear on Tuesday doesn't mean that a gigantic
breakthrough could occur on Wednesday.
People publish...to keep their egos afloat. Take "Climbing Mount
Improbable", Richard Dawkins
Dawkins thought he came up with the end all be all proof.....
So what if Dawkins has a big ego. What counts is whether or
not his work can stand up to critical scrutiny. Einstein had a
big ego too, so what? And Isaac Newton? He not only had
a big ego but he was a real putz too. But his work has managed
to hold up quite well.
Then go to Alejandro Backer....who disputes the so called "abject
revelation
of the missing element!!!"
You say you know it all...but just how transient is your knowledge?
Actually, I think you're the one who thinks she knows it all. I
have never made that claim for myself.
"Jim F." <me@privacy.net> wrote in message
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"TonyaK9" <TonK911@excite.com> wrote in message
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"Jim F." <me@privacy.net> wrote in message
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"Mary Hogan" <hoogy@zoominternet.net> wrote in message
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Define randomness inherent in the evolutionary theory...without
denying
design.
Mary,
I am not quite sure what your point is.
Mary does not have a point.
She never had.
She will never have one.
She lives her life in a permanently stoned stage...
Back to the discussion at hand.
Jim, I am surprised that you have so far ignored valid doubts raised
by
Sheldon concerning the gaps in the theory of evolution.
Your explanations sounded much like the arguments someone would hear
from
a
believer rather than a scientist...
OK, why don't you detail what you think are valid doubts concerning
the theory of evolution. BTW are your doubts concerning evolution
itself of the theory of natural selection that is used by Darwinians
to attempt to explain evolution? Also, BTW I think that
Sheldon's quoting of Prigogine was a bit misleading since
as far as I know Prigogine was not doubting evolution itself
but was arguing that the theory of natural selection needs to
be supplemented with a theory based on an analysis of the thermodynamics
of
non-equilibrium states. There is a little bit about that sort
of stuff in his Nobel Lecture
http://www.nobel.se/chemistry/laureates/1977/prigogine-autobio.html
TK9
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| User: "Sheldon Liberman" |
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| Title: Re: Hey, I'm willing to defend my point |
13 Jun 2004 04:01:50 PM |
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Enkidu wrote:
In article <zt1zc.3762$Wr.1685@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net>,
TonK911@excite.com says...
"Douglas Berry" <penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote in message
news:qr0pc0l1c11amqcfmhqska0ia9acc4i8p4@4ax.com...
Great Lord "TonyaK9" <TonK911@excite.com>, braving the raging storm,
scaled the mighty crag called alt.atheism on Sun, 13 Jun 2004 15:11:16
GMT and screamed this to the uncaring Gods.
"Douglas Berry" <penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote in message
news:u7onc05f65fft189806p23rc0khimvgali@4ax.com...
Great Lord "TonyaK9" <TonK911@excite.com>, braving the raging storm,
scaled the mighty crag called alt.atheism on Sun, 13 Jun 2004 03:34:14
GMT and screamed this to the uncaring Gods.
We do it constantly, and without resorting to torture. And we do it
constantly. Change is the norm in science.
This was a really funny one, Mr. Berry!
Were you implying that Reform Jews were torturing the Orthodox in order
to
bring about new, enlightened interpretations of Torah?
No, I was mostly referring to the acts of Christians. Although,
looking at Jewish history, I see enough examples of intolerance and
hatred to convince me that no religions hands lack copious blood.
The only facts from history I know is when the Jews being subjected to
intolerance and hatred. You must be reading your history from the pages of
Mein Kampf...
Read your Torah. The Jews raped, pillaged, and killed their enemies in
direct proportion to their power to do so. And they suffered rape,
pillage, and death in direct proportion to their enemies' power inflict
it upon them. When God is on your side, anything you do is justified.
What version of the Torah are you reading from?
Jews are no better, and no worse than any other tribe that ever did or
does wander the face of the planet.
Actually, we're better. Hitler's own words: the Jews inflicted
circumcision upon the body and conscious upon the soul.
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| User: "Enkidu" |
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| Title: Re: Hey, I'm willing to defend my point |
13 Jun 2004 04:21:00 PM |
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In article <40CCC0BE.9090109@sympatico.ca>,
sheldon.liberman@sympatico.ca says...
The only facts from history I know is when the Jews being subjected to
intolerance and hatred. You must be reading your history from the pages of
Mein Kampf...
Read your Torah. The Jews raped, pillaged, and killed their enemies in
direct proportion to their power to do so. And they suffered rape,
pillage, and death in direct proportion to their enemies' power inflict
it upon them. When God is on your side, anything you do is justified.
What version of the Torah are you reading from?
Does it matter? Is there a version where the Israelites didn't make
war, smite with the edge of the sword, keep all virgins for themselves
after killing all adults and male children?
Jews are no better, and no worse than any other tribe that ever did or
does wander the face of the planet.
Actually, we're better. Hitler's own words: the Jews inflicted
circumcision upon the body and conscious upon the soul.
Ah, using Hitler's opinion to back up a point on morality. Doesn't
carry much weight.
--
Enkidu - AA# 2165
"Today, the theory of evolution is an accepted fact for
everyone but a fundamentalist minority, whose objections
are based not on reasoning but on doctrinaire adherence
to religious principles"
James D. Watson
http://www.nobel.se/medicine/laureates/1962/watson-bio.html
"The Astonishing Hypothesis is that `You,' your joys and
your sorrows, your memories and your ambitions, your
sense of personal identity and free will, are in fact no
more than the behavior of a vast assembly of nerve cells
and their associated molecules."
Francis Crick
http://www.nobel.se/medicine/laureates/1962/crick-bio.html
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| User: "TonyaK9" |
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| Title: Re: Hey, I'm willing to defend my point |
13 Jun 2004 11:48:22 PM |
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"Enkidu" <enkidu@leaddogs.org> wrote in message
news:MPG.1b366513fe6b10d989818@news.west.cox.net...
In article <40CCC0BE.9090109@sympatico.ca>,
sheldon.liberman@sympatico.ca says...
The only facts from history I know is when the Jews being subjected to
intolerance and hatred. You must be reading your history from the
pages of
Mein Kampf...
Read your Torah. The Jews raped, pillaged, and killed their enemies
in
direct proportion to their power to do so. And they suffered rape,
pillage, and death in direct proportion to their enemies' power
inflict
it upon them. When God is on your side, anything you do is justified.
What version of the Torah are you reading from?
Does it matter? Is there a version where the Israelites didn't make
war, smite with the edge of the sword, keep all virgins for themselves
after killing all adults and male children?
But, as an atheist, you have told us you didn't believe anything written in
that book...
Make up your mind, troll, which one is it - Torah telling the truth or
you're lying?
TK9
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| User: "Sheldon Liberman" |
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| Title: Re: Hey, I'm willing to defend my point |
13 Jun 2004 05:27:39 PM |
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Enkidu wrote:
In article <40CCC0BE.9090109@sympatico.ca>,
sheldon.liberman@sympatico.ca says...
The only facts from history I know is when the Jews being subjected to
intolerance and hatred. You must be reading your history from the pages of
Mein Kampf...
Read your Torah. The Jews raped, pillaged, and killed their enemies in
direct proportion to their power to do so. And they suffered rape,
pillage, and death in direct proportion to their enemies' power inflict
it upon them. When God is on your side, anything you do is justified.
What version of the Torah are you reading from?
Does it matter? Is there a version where the Israelites didn't make
war, smite with the edge of the sword, keep all virgins for themselves
after killing all adults and male children?
Does only the "what" matter to you and not the "why"? If your going to
use the Torah as your weapon of choice, then DO try to understand its
context. If you don't believe the Torah is true, then this never
happened. If you do believe in it, then you would realize that the only
smiting done by Jew that was sanctioned by G-d was the attack Shechem.
following the raping of Dinah. That was by Shimon and Levi, and they
were dealt with harshly by their father, Jacob. Levi later became the
nation of priests, and were merited to include both Moses and Aaron.
Jews are no better, and no worse than any other tribe that ever did or
does wander the face of the planet.
Actually, we're better. Hitler's own words: the Jews inflicted
circumcision upon the body and conscious upon the soul.
Ah, using Hitler's opinion to back up a point on morality. Doesn't
carry much weight.
If you knew anything about logic, you'd know that a concession made by
your mortal enemy carries more weight than the same words espoused by
your friend.
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| User: "Mary Hogan" |
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| Title: Re: Hey, I'm willing to defend my point |
13 Jun 2004 06:36:49 PM |
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Your understanding is superficial at best. There is a spiritual world going
on simultaneously with our sensual world. What you don't know about the
Torah is that....it is the most empowering thing you in which you can invest
your time. It is not a story book.
"Enkidu" <enkidu@leaddogs.org> wrote in message
news:MPG.1b366513fe6b10d989818@news.west.cox.net...
In article <40CCC0BE.9090109@sympatico.ca>,
sheldon.liberman@sympatico.ca says...
The only facts from history I know is when the Jews being subjected to
intolerance and hatred. You must be reading your history from the
pages of
Mein Kampf...
Read your Torah. The Jews raped, pillaged, and killed their enemies
in
direct proportion to their power to do so. And they suffered rape,
pillage, and death in direct proportion to their enemies' power
inflict
it upon them. When God is on your side, anything you do is justified.
What version of the Torah are you reading from?
Does it matter? Is there a version where the Israelites didn't make
war, smite with the edge of the sword, keep all virgins for themselves
after killing all adults and male children?
Jews are no better, and no worse than any other tribe that ever did or
does wander the face of the planet.
Actually, we're better. Hitler's own words: the Jews inflicted
circumcision upon the body and conscious upon the soul.
Ah, using Hitler's opinion to back up a point on morality. Doesn't
carry much weight.
--
Enkidu - AA# 2165
"Today, the theory of evolution is an accepted fact for
everyone but a fundamentalist minority, whose objections
are based not on reasoning but on doctrinaire adherence
to religious principles"
James D. Watson
http://www.nobel.se/medicine/laureates/1962/watson-bio.html
"The Astonishing Hypothesis is that `You,' your joys and
your sorrows, your memories and your ambitions, your
sense of personal identity and free will, are in fact no
more than the behavior of a vast assembly of nerve cells
and their associated molecules."
Francis Crick
http://www.nobel.se/medicine/laureates/1962/crick-bio.html
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| User: "Mary Hogan" |
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| Title: Re: Hey, I'm willing to defend my point |
13 Jun 2004 06:34:38 PM |
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You have no clue how truly powerful the Jew!
"Enkidu" <enkidu@leaddogs.org> wrote in message
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In article <zt1zc.3762$Wr.1685@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net>,
TonK911@excite.com says...
"Douglas Berry" <penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote in message
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Great Lord "TonyaK9" <TonK911@excite.com>, braving the raging storm,
scaled the mighty crag called alt.atheism on Sun, 13 Jun 2004 15:11:16
GMT and screamed this to the uncaring Gods.
"Douglas Berry" <penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote in message
news:u7onc05f65fft189806p23rc0khimvgali@4ax.com...
Great Lord "TonyaK9" <TonK911@excite.com>, braving the raging
storm,
scaled the mighty crag called alt.atheism on Sun, 13 Jun 2004
03:34:14
GMT and screamed this to the uncaring Gods.
We do it constantly, and without resorting to torture. And we do
it
constantly. Change is the norm in science.
This was a really funny one, Mr. Berry!
Were you implying that Reform Jews were torturing the Orthodox in
order
to
bring about new, enlightened interpretations of Torah?
No, I was mostly referring to the acts of Christians. Although,
looking at Jewish history, I see enough examples of intolerance and
hatred to convince me that no religions hands lack copious blood.
The only facts from history I know is when the Jews being subjected to
intolerance and hatred. You must be reading your history from the pages
of
Mein Kampf...
Read your Torah. The Jews raped, pillaged, and killed their enemies in
direct proportion to their power to do so. And they suffered rape,
pillage, and death in direct proportion to their enemies' power inflict
it upon them. When God is on your side, anything you do is justified.
Jews are no better, and no worse than any other tribe that ever did or
does wander the face of the planet.
--
Enkidu - AA# 2165
"Today, the theory of evolution is an accepted fact for
everyone but a fundamentalist minority, whose objections
are based not on reasoning but on doctrinaire adherence
to religious principles"
James D. Watson
http://www.nobel.se/medicine/laureates/1962/watson-bio.html
"The Astonishing Hypothesis is that `You,' your joys and
your sorrows, your memories and your ambitions, your
sense of personal identity and free will, are in fact no
more than the behavior of a vast assembly of nerve cells
and their associated molecules."
Francis Crick
http://www.nobel.se/medicine/laureates/1962/crick-bio.html
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| User: "Riain Barton" |
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| Title: Re: Hey, I'm willing to defend my point |
13 Jun 2004 05:08:14 PM |
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You may be right about some aspects of ancient history in the Near East,
however, you are incorrect in saying that Jews are just like all their
contemporary "tribes".
No other culture produced such written works of something we now know as
ethics, morals, and social-justice.
You see you only listed parts of the Hebrew Biblical texts that you dislike
and that could validate your hate of them. You forgot to mention about all
the good things that can be found in the Hebrew Biblical Texts. Things that
would influence societies to create democracies and justice systems and
create ways to provide humanitarian relief and aid.
But thanks for playing "Let's throw the baby out with the bathwater, since
the water is now dirty."
"Enkidu" <enkidu@leaddogs.org> wrote in message
news:MPG.1b365a85b7f03465989812@news.west.cox.net...
| In article <zt1zc.3762$Wr.1685@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net>,
| says...
| > "Douglas Berry" <penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote in message
| > news:qr0pc0l1c11amqcfmhqska0ia9acc4i8p4@4ax.com...
| >
| > > Great Lord "TonyaK9" <>, braving the raging storm,
| > > scaled the mighty crag called alt.atheism on Sun, 13 Jun 2004 15:11:16
| > > GMT and screamed this to the uncaring Gods.
| > >
| > > >"Douglas Berry" <penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote in message
| > > >news:u7onc05f65fft189806p23rc0khimvgali@4ax.com...
| > > >
| > > >> Great Lord "TonyaK9" <>, braving the raging
storm,
| > > >> scaled the mighty crag called alt.atheism on Sun, 13 Jun 2004
03:34:14
| > > >> GMT and screamed this to the uncaring Gods.
| > > >
| > > >> We do it constantly, and without resorting to torture. And we do
it
| > > >> constantly. Change is the norm in science.
| > > >
| > > >This was a really funny one, Mr. Berry!
| > > >Were you implying that Reform Jews were torturing the Orthodox in
order
| > to
| > > >bring about new, enlightened interpretations of Torah?
| > >
| > > No, I was mostly referring to the acts of Christians. Although,
| > > looking at Jewish history, I see enough examples of intolerance and
| > > hatred to convince me that no religions hands lack copious blood.
| >
| > The only facts from history I know is when the Jews being subjected to
| > intolerance and hatred. You must be reading your history from the pages
of
| > Mein Kampf...
|
| Read your Torah. The Jews raped, pillaged, and killed their enemies in
| direct proportion to their power to do so. And they suffered rape,
| pillage, and death in direct proportion to their enemies' power inflict
| it upon them. When God is on your side, anything you do is justified.
|
| Jews are no better, and no worse than any other tribe that ever did or
| does wander the face of the planet.
|
| --
| Enkidu - AA# 2165
|
| "Today, the theory of evolution is an accepted fact for
| everyone but a fundamentalist minority, whose objections
| are based not on reasoning but on doctrinaire adherence
| to religious principles"
|
| James D. Watson
| http://www.nobel.se/medicine/laureates/1962/watson-bio.html
|
| "The Astonishing Hypothesis is that `You,' your joys and
| your sorrows, your memories and your ambitions, your
| sense of personal identity and free will, are in fact no
| more than the behavior of a vast assembly of nerve cells
| and their associated molecules."
|
| Francis Crick
| http://www.nobel.se/medicine/laureates/1962/crick-bio.html
.
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| User: "Enkidu" |
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| Title: Re: Hey, I'm willing to defend my point |
13 Jun 2004 05:56:46 PM |
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In article <if4zc.26433$ih7.23337@fe2.columbus.rr.com>,
riain@columbus.rr.com says...
You may be right about some aspects of ancient history in the Near East,
however, you are incorrect in saying that Jews are just like all their
contemporary "tribes".
No other culture produced such written works of something we now know as
ethics, morals, and social-justice.
You see you only listed parts of the Hebrew Biblical texts that you dislike
and that could validate your hate of them. You forgot to mention about all
the good things that can be found in the Hebrew Biblical Texts. Things that
would influence societies to create democracies and justice systems and
create ways to provide humanitarian relief and aid.
But thanks for playing "Let's throw the baby out with the bathwater, since
the water is now dirty."
1) Top posting is not appropriate in usenet. Get a clue.
2) Ever hear of the code of Hammurabi?
"[B]y far the most remarkable of the Hammurabi
records is his code of laws, the earliest-known
example of a ruler proclaiming publicly to his
people an entire body of laws, arranged in
orderly groups, so that all men might read
and know what was required of them. The code
was carved upon a black stone monument, eight
feet high, and clearly intended to be reared
in public view. This noted stone was found in
the year 1901, not in Babylon, but in a city
of the Persian mountains, to which some later
conqueror must have carried it in triumph. It
begins and ends with addresses to the gods.
Even a law code was in those days regarded
as a subject for prayer, though the prayers
here are chiefly cursings of whoever shall
neglect or destroy the law."
http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/ancient/hamcode.html
3) I didn't post ALL the Torah, since I wasn't commenting on what might
be good, only that it exhibits war, cruelty, murder, and rape, the
common history of mankind. I don't "hate" Jews. I'm on good terms with
many, and one was best man at my wedding. But your method of
argumentation is common among those with no logic or evidence on their
side: attack the messenger when you can't attack the message.
4) Keep your book if you want, but don't use it as evidence against
those who don't believe it's true.
--
Enkidu - AA# 2165
"Today, the theory of evolution is an accepted fact for
everyone but a fundamentalist minority, whose objections
are based not on reasoning but on doctrinaire adherence
to religious principles"
James D. Watson
http://www.nobel.se/medicine/laureates/1962/watson-bio.html
"The Astonishing Hypothesis is that `You,' your joys and
your sorrows, your memories and your ambitions, your
sense of personal identity and free will, are in fact no
more than the behavior of a vast assembly of nerve cells
and their associated molecules."
Francis Crick
http://www.nobel.se/medicine/laureates/1962/crick-bio.html
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| User: "Riain Barton" |
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| Title: Re: Hey, I'm willing to defend my point |
13 Jun 2004 06:07:26 PM |
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Yes, I know from SUMERIAN AND BABYLONIAN TEXTS....
How come the rest of the world doesn't???
Yet the majority of everyone knows the 10 commandments!
"Enkidu" <enkidu@leaddogs.org> wrote in message
news:MPG.1b367b858a88d89d989819@localhost...
| In article <if4zc.26433$ih7.23337@fe2.columbus.rr.com>,
| says...
| > You may be right about some aspects of ancient history in the Near East,
| > however, you are incorrect in saying that Jews are just like all their
| > contemporary "tribes".
| >
| > No other culture produced such written works of something we now know as
| > ethics, morals, and social-justice.
| >
| > You see you only listed parts of the Hebrew Biblical texts that you
dislike
| > and that could validate your hate of them. You forgot to mention about
all
| > the good things that can be found in the Hebrew Biblical Texts. Things
that
| > would influence societies to create democracies and justice systems and
| > create ways to provide humanitarian relief and aid.
| >
| > But thanks for playing "Let's throw the baby out with the bathwater,
since
| > the water is now dirty."
|
| 1) Top posting is not appropriate in usenet. Get a clue.
|
| 2) Ever hear of the code of Hammurabi?
|
| "[B]y far the most remarkable of the Hammurabi
| records is his code of laws, the earliest-known
| example of a ruler proclaiming publicly to his
| people an entire body of laws, arranged in
| orderly groups, so that all men might read
| and know what was required of them. The code
| was carved upon a black stone monument, eight
| feet high, and clearly intended to be reared
| in public view. This noted stone was found in
| the year 1901, not in Babylon, but in a city
| of the Persian mountains, to which some later
| conqueror must have carried it in triumph. It
| begins and ends with addresses to the gods.
| Even a law code was in those days regarded
| as a subject for prayer, though the prayers
| here are chiefly cursings of whoever shall
| neglect or destroy the law."
|
| http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/ancient/hamcode.html
|
| 3) I didn't post ALL the Torah, since I wasn't commenting on what might
| be good, only that it exhibits war, cruelty, murder, and rape, the
| common history of mankind. I don't "hate" Jews. I'm on good terms with
| many, and one was best man at my wedding. But your method of
| argumentation is common among those with no logic or evidence on their
| side: attack the messenger when you can't attack the message.
|
| 4) Keep your book if you want, but don't use it as evidence against
| those who don't believe it's true.
|
| --
| Enkidu - AA# 2165
|
| "Today, the theory of evolution is an accepted fact for
| everyone but a fundamentalist minority, whose objections
| are based not on reasoning but on doctrinaire adherence
| to religious principles"
|
| James D. Watson
| http://www.nobel.se/medicine/laureates/1962/watson-bio.html
|
| "The Astonishing Hypothesis is that `You,' your joys and
| your sorrows, your memories and your ambitions, your
| sense of personal identity and free will, are in fact no
| more than the behavior of a vast assembly of nerve cells
| and their associated molecules."
|
| Francis Crick
| http://www.nobel.se/medicine/laureates/1962/crick-bio.html
.
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| User: "Uncle Dollar Bill" |
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| Title: Re: Hey, I'm willing to defend my point |
13 Jun 2004 01:27:11 PM |
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In alt.atheism on Sun, 13 Jun 2004 15:11:16 GMT, "TonyaK9"
<TonK911@excite.com> wrote:
<snip>
If you meant to say that you were a scientist, I must tell you that I have
an advanced degree in science from one of the best American universities.
This is pretty general. Can you be a bit more specific? What branch
of science? What university? Just curious, you brought it up. :-)
--
L8r,
Uncle Dollar Bill
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| User: "TonyaK9" |
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| Title: Re: Hey, I'm willing to defend my point |
13 Jun 2004 10:50:38 AM |
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"Uncle Dollar Bill" <UncleDollarBill@SpamMeNot.com> wrote in message
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In alt.atheism on Sun, 13 Jun 2004 15:11:16 GMT, "TonyaK9"
<TonK911@excite.com> wrote:
<snip>
If you meant to say that you were a scientist, I must tell you that I
have
an advanced degree in science from one of the best American universities.
This is pretty general. Can you be a bit more specific? What branch
of science? What university? Just curious, you brought it up. :-)
I like to retain my privacy, Mr. GreenBuck, that is why I choose to disclose
only what I deem necessary to disclose about myself.
Which means, you have little chance to find out anything about me in excess
of what I've posted.
Please do not take it personally. I come here to discuss ideas, not any
particular personalities.
Or take it personally, if you wish...
TK9
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13 Jun 2004 11:47:15 AM |
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Great Lord "TonyaK9" <TonK911@excite.com>, braving the raging storm,
scaled the mighty crag called alt.atheism on Sun, 13 Jun 2004 15:50:38
GMT and screamed this to the uncaring Gods.
Please do not take it personally. I come here to discuss ideas, not any
particular personalities.
This explains your attempt to link me to a well-known crackhead mayor.
Exchange of ideas, my left foot!
--
Douglas E. Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
"Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as
when they do it from religious conviction."
Blaise Pascal (1623-1662), Pense'es, #894.
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In alt.atheism on Sun, 13 Jun 2004 15:50:38 GMT, "TonyaK9"
<TonK911@excite.com> wrote:
"Uncle Dollar Bill" <UncleDollarBill@SpamMeNot.com> wrote in message
news:40da9c56.9994656@newsgroups.bellsouth.net...
In alt.atheism on Sun, 13 Jun 2004 15:11:16 GMT, "TonyaK9"
<TonK911@excite.com> wrote:
<snip>
If you meant to say that you were a scientist, I must tell you that I
have
an advanced degree in science from one of the best American universities.
This is pretty general. Can you be a bit more specific? What branch
of science? What university? Just curious, you brought it up. :-)
I like to retain my privacy, Mr. GreenBuck, that is why I choose to disclose
only what I deem necessary to disclose about myself.
Which means, you have little chance to find out anything about me in excess
of what I've posted.
Please do not take it personally. I come here to discuss ideas, not any
particular personalities.
Or take it personally, if you wish...
No, I understand, at least about the university part. Though
revealing your scientific specialty would be no more personally
identifiable than revealing that you own at least one article of blue
clothing. So I don't believe for a second that particular issue is a
matter of "privacy". I can understand a reluctance to mention the
university, but a reluctance to mention your specialty only makes it
look like you're lying. Please do not take that personally, as it's
just an observation that could be made of anyone posting similarly.
Or take it personally, if you wish...
--
L8r,
Uncle Dollar Bill
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13 Jun 2004 11:02:06 AM |
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"Uncle Dollar Bill" <UncleDollarBill@SpamMeNot.com> wrote in message
news:40dca296.11594650@newsgroups.bellsouth.net...
In alt.atheism on Sun, 13 Jun 2004 15:50:38 GMT, "TonyaK9"
<TonK911@excite.com> wrote:
"Uncle Dollar Bill" <UncleDollarBill@SpamMeNot.com> wrote in message
news:40da9c56.9994656@newsgroups.bellsouth.net...
In alt.atheism on Sun, 13 Jun 2004 15:11:16 GMT, "TonyaK9"
<TonK911@excite.com> wrote:
<snip>
If you meant to say that you were a scientist, I must tell you that I
have
an advanced degree in science from one of the best American
universities.
This is pretty general. Can you be a bit more specific? What branch
of science? What university? Just curious, you brought it up. :-)
I like to retain my privacy, Mr. GreenBuck, that is why I choose to
disclose
only what I deem necessary to disclose about myself.
Which means, you have little chance to find out anything about me in
excess
of what I've posted.
Please do not take it personally. I come here to discuss ideas, not any
particular personalities.
Or take it personally, if you wish...
No, I understand, at least about the university part. Though
revealing your scientific specialty would be no more personally
identifiable than revealing that you own at least one article of blue
clothing. So I don't believe for a second that particular issue is a
matter of "privacy". I can understand a reluctance to mention the
university, but a reluctance to mention your specialty only makes it
look like you're lying. Please do not take that personally, as it's
just an observation that could be made of anyone posting similarly.
Or take it personally, if you wish...
--
L8r,
Uncle Dollar Bill
Do a search on Google, Dollar, it's all there...
I am not interested in impressing the kinds of you.
TK9
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13 Jun 2004 02:11:41 PM |
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In alt.atheism on Sun, 13 Jun 2004 16:02:06 GMT, "TonyaK9"
<TonK911@excite.com> wrote:
"Uncle Dollar Bill" <UncleDollarBill@SpamMeNot.com> wrote in message
news:40dca296.11594650@newsgroups.bellsouth.net...
In alt.atheism on Sun, 13 Jun 2004 15:50:38 GMT, "TonyaK9"
<TonK911@excite.com> wrote:
"Uncle Dollar Bill" <UncleDollarBill@SpamMeNot.com> wrote in message
news:40da9c56.9994656@newsgroups.bellsouth.net...
In alt.atheism on Sun, 13 Jun 2004 15:11:16 GMT, "TonyaK9"
<TonK911@excite.com> wrote:
<snip>
If you meant to say that you were a scientist, I must tell you that I
have
an advanced degree in science from one of the best American
universities.
This is pretty general. Can you be a bit more specific? What branch
of science? What university? Just curious, you brought it up. :-)
I like to retain my privacy, Mr. GreenBuck, that is why I choose to
disclose
only what I deem necessary to disclose about myself.
Which means, you have little chance to find out anything about me in
excess
of what I've posted.
Please do not take it personally. I come here to discuss ideas, not any
particular personalities.
Or take it personally, if you wish...
No, I understand, at least about the university part. Though
revealing your scientific specialty would be no more personally
identifiable than revealing that you own at least one article of blue
clothing. So I don't believe for a second that particular issue is a
matter of "privacy". I can understand a reluctance to mention the
university, but a reluctance to mention your specialty only makes it
look like you're lying. Please do not take that personally, as it's
just an observation that could be made of anyone posting similarly.
Or take it personally, if you wish...
--
L8r,
Uncle Dollar Bill
Do a search on Google, Dollar, it's all there...
I am not interested in impressing the kinds of you.
That's cool. What "kind" would I be, perchance? We've not interacted
very much. Are you really so quick to judge?
--
L8r,
Uncle Dollar Bill
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13 Jun 2004 11:16:29 AM |
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"Uncle Dollar Bill" <UncleDollarBill@SpamMeNot.com> wrote in message
news:40dea6bf.12659690@newsgroups.bellsouth.net...
In alt.atheism on Sun, 13 Jun 2004 16:02:06 GMT, "TonyaK9"
<TonK911@excite.com> wrote:
"Uncle Dollar Bill" <UncleDollarBill@SpamMeNot.com> wrote in message
news:40dca296.11594650@newsgroups.bellsouth.net...
In alt.atheism on Sun, 13 Jun 2004 15:50:38 GMT, "TonyaK9"
<TonK911@excite.com> wrote:
"Uncle Dollar Bill" <UncleDollarBill@SpamMeNot.com> wrote in message
news:40da9c56.9994656@newsgroups.bellsouth.net...
In alt.atheism on Sun, 13 Jun 2004 15:11:16 GMT, "TonyaK9"
<TonK911@excite.com> wrote:
<snip>
If you meant to say that you were a scientist, I must tell you that
I
have
an advanced degree in science from one of the best American
universities.
This is pretty general. Can you be a bit more specific? What
branch
of science? What university? Just curious, you brought it up. :-)
I like to retain my privacy, Mr. GreenBuck, that is why I choose to
disclose
only what I deem necessary to disclose about myself.
Which means, you have little chance to find out anything about me in
excess
of what I've posted.
Please do not take it personally. I come here to discuss ideas, not
any
particular personalities.
Or take it personally, if you wish...
No, I understand, at least about the university part. Though
revealing your scientific specialty would be no more personally
identifiable than revealing that you own at least one article of blue
clothing. So I don't believe for a second that particular issue is a
matter of "privacy". I can understand a reluctance to mention the
university, but a reluctance to mention your specialty only makes it
look like you're lying. Please do not take that personally, as it's
just an observation that could be made of anyone posting similarly.
Or take it personally, if you wish...
--
L8r,
Uncle Dollar Bill
Do a search on Google, Dollar, it's all there...
I am not interested in impressing the kinds of you.
That's cool. What "kind" would I be, perchance? We've not interacted
very much. Are you really so quick to judge?
So far, you've shown yourself to be not much more than an anal probe.
But who knows, you might be a fine gentleman, who simply tries to pick up
educated girls on Usenet...
;)
TK9
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13 Jun 2004 02:19:50 PM |
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In alt.atheism on Sun, 13 Jun 2004 16:16:29 GMT, "TonyaK9"
<TonK911@excite.com> wrote:
"Uncle Dollar Bill" <UncleDollarBill@SpamMeNot.com> wrote in message
news:40dea6bf.12659690@newsgroups.bellsouth.net...
<snip>
Do a search on Google, Dollar, it's all there...
I am not interested in impressing the kinds of you.
That's cool. What "kind" would I be, perchance? We've not interacted
very much. Are you really so quick to judge?
So far, you've shown yourself to be not much more than an anal probe.
But who knows, you might be a fine gentleman, who simply tries to pick up
educated girls on Usenet...
;)
LoL! :-) Nah, I was just curious about ya'. You seemed like an
interesting person. I might be about to lower myself in your eyes by
saying this, but I wouldn't try to pick you up - I'm into the guys,
not the gals. :-# So any expression of curiosity on my part towards
you is genuine, and not "ulteriorly motivated". ;-) Anyway, thanks
for chatting. I'll slink back into the shadows of these other
newsgroups for now... :-)
--
L8r,
Uncle Dollar Bill
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12 Jun 2004 09:11:04 PM |
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Some religions DO!
"Douglas Berry" <penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote in message
news:188nc0d3v03kbib19ekv02r1fm0k3v1ifn@4ax.com...
| Great Lord "Mary Hogan" <hoogy@zoominternet.net>, braving the raging
| storm, scaled the mighty crag called alt.atheism on Sat, 12 Jun 2004
| 18:22:59 -0400 and screamed this to the uncaring Gods.
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| >How about this one...
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| >A set of beliefs, values and practices based on the teachings of a
spiritual
| >leader...
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| >The only school Darwin ever attended was Bible College!!!
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| So? Darwin was just the first to offer a coherent set of ideas and
| observations on the sibject. Since him, we've had over a century of
| evidence, experimentation, and breakthroughs. Darwin never heard of
| DNA, for example. Yet its discovery led to new understanding of the
| mechanism of evolution through genetic change.
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| We don't blindly accept Darwin's writings as holy writ. We
| experiment, test, argue, and redefine. Religions don't.
| --
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| Douglas E. Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
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| "Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as
| when they do it from religious conviction."
| Blaise Pascal (1623-1662), Pense'es, #894.
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| User: "Mary Hogan" |
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| Title: Re: Hey, I'm willing to defend my point |
12 Jun 2004 10:47:25 PM |
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You are all screaming at me...and telling me to read books, about your
lemming brainwashed theories....and yet not one of you have come up with a
single solitary proof!! That is the proof!!
There is no evolution...there is no proof....just an accuser who wants to
laugh at a bunch of fools scurrying like rats to prove their brainwashing is
education.
Prove it!!
"Douglas Berry" <penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote in message
news:188nc0d3v03kbib19ekv02r1fm0k3v1ifn@4ax.com...
Great Lord "Mary Hogan" <hoogy@zoominternet.net>, braving the raging
storm, scaled the mighty crag called alt.atheism on Sat, 12 Jun 2004
18:22:59 -0400 and screamed this to the uncaring Gods.
How about this one...
A set of beliefs, values and practices based on the teachings of a
spiritual
leader...
The only school Darwin ever attended was Bible College!!!
So? Darwin was just the first to offer a coherent set of ideas and
observations on the sibject. Since him, we've had over a century of
evidence, experimentation, and breakthroughs. Darwin never heard of
DNA, for example. Yet its discovery led to new understanding of the
mechanism of evolution through genetic change.
We don't blindly accept Darwin's writings as holy writ. We
experiment, test, argue, and redefine. Religions don't.
--
Douglas E. Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
"Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as
when they do it from religious conviction."
Blaise Pascal (1623-1662), Pense'es, #894.
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| User: "Kermit" |
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| Title: Re: Hey, I'm willing to defend my point |
13 Jun 2004 05:13:09 PM |
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"Mary Hogan" <hoogy@zoominternet.net> wrote in message news:<40cbcebb$1_7@corp.newsgroups.com>...
You are all screaming at me...and telling me to read books, about your
lemming brainwashed theories....and yet not one of you have come up with a
single solitary proof!! That is the proof!!
There is no evolution...there is no proof....just an accuser who wants to
laugh at a bunch of fools scurrying like rats to prove their brainwashing is
education.
Prove it!!
Well, you have just proven that you don't understand science. Not that
we had any doubt before. You see, Mary, science doesn't "proove"
anything - that's for logical systems like arithmetic. Science
observes, then tries to come up with the most reasonable explanations
for the observations (data). If the explanation (hypothesis) is to be
useful, it must make predictions; if the predictions are to be useful,
they must be falsifiable, but not actually falsified.
All evolution has is tons of evidence from several major sciences, and
over 150 years of research, consultation, and attempts to come up with
alternatives.
Some of these classes of data include the fossil record, geological
strata, the twin nested hierarchies of morphology and genetics,
behavioral sciences, cultural and physical anthropology, history, tree
rings, vestigial organs, and computer programs based on natural
selection algorthms which rapidly produce products such as electronic
chips.
Many scientists (roughly half) are theists and have no trouble
accepting evolution; they would say that doing science is studying how
God does things. But alternative theories such as Young Earth
Creationism (contrary to popular belief) *do produce falsifiable
predictions - and they've been falsified.
There aren't but a handful of *real scientists who have *real degrees
in the fields of biology (genetics, paleontology, etc.) who are
anti-evolution. And they don't do research in the field.
It's what the experts say and what the books explain, and any local
university probably has a nice display in their biology or geology
college. I'm afraid that you lack credibility. If this subject means
anything to you, then you must learn something about it for your
complaints to be considered criticisms, let alone valid ones.
Until then, miss, I'm afraid it's just noise. As for "screaming at"
you, I note that you have used 6 exclamation marks in 7 lines of text.
That's a bit much, don't you think?
Kermit
"Douglas Berry" <penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote in message
news:188nc0d3v03kbib19ekv02r1fm0k3v1ifn@4ax.com...
Great Lord "Mary Hogan" <hoogy@zoominternet.net>, braving the raging
storm, scaled the mighty crag called alt.atheism on Sat, 12 Jun 2004
18:22:59 -0400 and screamed this to the uncaring Gods.
How about this one...
A set of beliefs, values and practices based on the teachings of a
spiritual
leader...
The only school Darwin ever attended was Bible College!!!
So? Darwin was just the first to offer a coherent set of ideas and
observations on the sibject. Since him, we've had over a century of
evidence, experimentation, and breakthroughs. Darwin never heard of
DNA, for example. Yet its discovery led to new understanding of the
mechanism of evolution through genetic change.
We don't blindly accept Darwin's writings as holy writ. We
experiment, test, argue, and redefine. Religions don't.
--
Douglas E. Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
"Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as
when they do it from religious conviction."
Blaise Pascal (1623-1662), Pense'es, #894.
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| Title: Re: Hey, I'm willing to defend my point |
13 Jun 2004 06:47:57 PM |
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Yes, Kermit...I guess you are low on the food chain for a reason. Have you
seen what they make Science teachers teach children? It is never called
theory.... And when you turn on the Home Shopping Network and they are
selling amber they say is a quadrillion years old.... Who has been
brainwashed? Lemmings..that who.
"Kermit" <unrestrained_hand@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:2b38d8c5.0406131413.439de597@posting.google.com...
"Mary Hogan" <hoogy@zoominternet.net> wrote in message
news:<40cbcebb$1_7@corp.newsgroups.com>...
You are all screaming at me...and telling me to read books, about your
lemming brainwashed theories....and yet not one of you have come up with
a
single solitary proof!! That is the proof!!
There is no evolution...there is no proof....just an accuser who wants
to
laugh at a bunch of fools scurrying like rats to prove their
brainwashing is
education.
Prove it!!
Well, you have just proven that you don't understand science. Not that
we had any doubt before. You see, Mary, science doesn't "proove"
anything - that's for logical systems like arithmetic. Science
observes, then tries to come up with the most reasonable explanations
for the observations (data). If the explanation (hypothesis) is to be
useful, it must make predictions; if the predictions are to be useful,
they must be falsifiable, but not actually falsified.
All evolution has is tons of evidence from several major sciences, and
over 150 years of research, consultation, and attempts to come up with
alternatives.
Some of these classes of data include the fossil record, geological
strata, the twin nested hierarchies of morphology and genetics,
behavioral sciences, cultural and physical anthropology, history, tree
rings, vestigial organs, and computer programs based on natural
selection algorthms which rapidly produce products such as electronic
chips.
Many scientists (roughly half) are theists and have no trouble
accepting evolution; they would say that doing science is studying how
God does things. But alternative theories such as Young Earth
Creationism (contrary to popular belief) *do produce falsifiable
predictions - and they've been falsified.
There aren't but a handful of *real scientists who have *real degrees
in the fields of biology (genetics, paleontology, etc.) who are
anti-evolution. And they don't do research in the field.
It's what the experts say and what the books explain, and any local
university probably has a nice display in their biology or geology
college. I'm afraid that you lack credibility. If this subject means
anything to you, then you must learn something about it for your
complaints to be considered criticisms, let alone valid ones.
Until then, miss, I'm afraid it's just noise. As for "screaming at"
you, I note that you have used 6 exclamation marks in 7 lines of text.
That's a bit much, don't you think?
Kermit
"Douglas Berry" <penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote in message
news:188nc0d3v03kbib19ekv02r1fm0k3v1ifn@4ax.com...
Great Lord "Mary Hogan" <hoogy@zoominternet.net>, braving the raging
storm, scaled the mighty crag called alt.atheism on Sat, 12 Jun 2004
18:22:59 -0400 and screamed this to the uncaring Gods.
How about this one...
A set of beliefs, values and practices based on the teachings of a
spiritual
leader...
The only school Darwin ever attended was Bible College!!!
So? Darwin was just the first to offer a coherent set of ideas and
observations on the sibject. Since him, we've had over a century of
evidence, experimentation, and breakthroughs. Darwin never heard of
DNA, for example. Yet its discovery led to new understanding of the
mechanism of evolution through genetic change.
We don't blindly accept Darwin's writings as holy writ. We
experiment, test, argue, and redefine. Religions don't.
--
Douglas E. Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
"Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as
when they do it from religious conviction."
Blaise Pascal (1623-1662), Pense'es, #894.
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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| Title: Re: Hey, I'm willing to defend my point |
13 Jun 2004 09:51:19 AM |
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In article <40cbcebb$1_7@corp.newsgroups.com>, Mary Hogan says...
You are all screaming at me...and telling me to read books, about your
lemming brainwashed theories....and yet not one of you have come up with a
single solitary proof!! That is the proof!!
There is no evolution...there is no proof....just an accuser who wants to
laugh at a bunch of fools scurrying like rats to prove their brainwashing is
education.
Prove it!!
Sure, right after you prove your god exists.
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo & EAC Spellcaster
#1557
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| Title: Re: Hey, I'm willing to defend my point |
13 Jun 2004 04:31:15 PM |
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On Sat, 12 Jun 2004 18:19:35 -0400, "Mary Hogan"
<hoogy@zoominternet.net> thought hard and said:
A cause, principle, or activity pursued with zeal or conscientious devotion
Would that make stamp collecting a religion?
--
-Daniel "Mr. Brevity" Kolle; 16 A.A. #2035
Koji Kondo, Yo-Yo Ma, Gustav Mahler, and Krzysztof Penderecki are my Gods.
Head of EAC Denial Department and Madly Insane Scientist.
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| User: "Mary Hogan" |
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13 Jun 2004 06:43:37 PM |
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Yep....
For some people will give their integrity to steal a stamp.....
"Daniel Kolle" <DKolle@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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On Sat, 12 Jun 2004 18:19:35 -0400, "Mary Hogan"
<hoogy@zoominternet.net> thought hard and said:
A cause, principle, or activity pursued with zeal or conscientious
devotion
Would that make stamp collecting a religion?
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-Daniel "Mr. Brevity" Kolle; 16 A.A. #2035
Koji Kondo, Yo-Yo Ma, Gustav Mahler, and Krzysztof Penderecki are my Gods.
Head of EAC Denial Department and Madly Insane Scientist.
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| User: "William" |
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12 Jun 2004 05:57:01 PM |
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On Sat, 12 Jun 2004 18:19:35 -0400, "Mary Hogan"
<hoogy@zoominternet.net> wrote:
A cause, principle, or activity pursued with zeal or conscientious devotion
OK, so that describes virtually anything. Science is a religion,
religion is a religion, stamp collecting is a religion. The word
religion doesn't mean a lot nowadays.
And if you continue top posting I'll assume you just want to preach
and are not taking this seriously.
William
"William" <telige@mail.clara.fl.com> wrote in message
"Mary Hogan"<hoogy@zoominternet.net> wrote:
Evolution is a religion whether they like it or not. Ironically it is
based
on fairy tales and gas bag logic...and PhD's who believe that they are
the
end all be all...which they are...they end all be all wormfood!! And God
just laugh's at their idiocy!!
That's interesting. What is your definition of 'a religion'?
William
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12 Jun 2004 05:58:46 PM |
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I use top posting to give a person the opportunity to delete the topic bend
in which I'm heading....
"William" <telige@mail.clara.fl.com> wrote in message
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On Sat, 12 Jun 2004 18:19:35 -0400, "Mary Hogan"
<hoogy@zoominternet.net> wrote:
A cause, principle, or activity pursued with zeal or conscientious
devotion
OK, so that describes virtually anything. Science is a religion,
religion is a religion, stamp collecting is a religion. The word
religion doesn't mean a lot nowadays.
And if you continue top posting I'll assume you just want to preach
and are not taking this seriously.
William
"William" <telige@mail.clara.fl.com> wrote in message
"Mary Hogan"<hoogy@zoominternet.net> wrote:
Evolution is a religion whether they like it or not. Ironically it is
based
on fairy tales and gas bag logic...and PhD's who believe that they are
the
end all be all...which they are...they end all be all wormfood!! And
God
just laugh's at their idiocy!!
That's interesting. What is your definition of 'a religion'?
William
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Once again you show to be a complete moron... and make more people NOT
believe in G-d!!!
"Mary Hogan" <hoogy@zoominternet.net> wrote in message
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| Evolution is a religion whether they like it or not. Ironically it is
based
| on fairy tales and gas bag logic...and PhD's who believe that they are the
| end all be all...which they are...they end all be all wormfood!! And God
| just laugh's at their idiocy!!
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| "Mary Hogan" <hoogy@zoominternet.net> wrote in message
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| > If there weren't a designer.... and randomness was the order of the
| > earth....then what would keep mutation within boundaries? Why wouldn't
| > there be species of man with...let's say...tentacles? Or...perhaps men
| with
| > huge canines...or three heads...or five heads...four arms, six
| legs.....and
| > purple hair? The evolutionist, who I believe are bloated gas
bags....base
| > their science on God's order...God's design. Their scope is limited to
| > exactly what God allows them to understand....and guess what...they
don't
| > even understand that possibility....
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| > "William" <telige@mail.clara.fl.com> wrote in message
| > news:40cb74cf.3971852@news-text.blueyonder.co.uk...
| > > On Sat, 12 Jun 2004 16:50:21 -0400, "Mary Hogan"
| > > <hoogy@zoominternet.net> wrote:
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| > > >And yes I did mean...according to the design that God initiated, for
| > without
| > > >this Brainiac design.... there would be no order.
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| > > >What I meant was you....are not thinking...atheistically.... You
need
| > God
| > > >just as much as I need God!!
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| > > You are not making any sense.
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| > > William
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I'm just practicing Torah....
"Mary Hogan" <hoogy@zoominternet.net> wrote in message
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If there weren't a designer.... and randomness was the order of the
earth....then what would keep mutation within boundaries? Why wouldn't
there be species of man with...let's say...tentacles? Or...perhaps men
with
huge canines...or three heads...or five heads...four arms, six
legs.....and
purple hair? The evolutionist, who I believe are bloated gas bags....base
their science on God's order...God's design. Their scope is limited to
exactly what God allows them to understand....and guess what...they don't
even understand that possibility....
"William" <telige@mail.clara.fl.com> wrote in message
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On Sat, 12 Jun 2004 16:50:21 -0400, "Mary Hogan"
<hoogy@zoominternet.net> wrote:
And yes I did mean...according to the design that God initiated, for
without
this Brainiac design.... there would be no order.
What I meant was you....are not thinking...atheistically.... You need
God
just as much as I need God!!
You are not making any sense.
William
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I'm just practicing Torah....
No you're NOT.
Your statement is pure unadulterated blasphemy!
You are practicing ignorance and *****.
TK9
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| User: "Riain Barton" |
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No you are not, you are talking about a corrupt version of Torah that you
have not even started to have the ability to grasp for now.
"Mary Hogan" <hoogy@zoominternet.net> wrote in message
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| I'm just practicing Torah....
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| "Mary Hogan" <hoogy@zoominternet.net> wrote in message
| news:40cb7fa7_7@corp.newsgroups.com...
| > If there weren't a designer.... and randomness was the order of the
| > earth....then what would keep mutation within boundaries? Why wouldn't
| > there be species of man with...let's say...tentacles? Or...perhaps men
| with
| > huge canines...or three heads...or five heads...four arms, six
| legs.....and
| > purple hair? The evolutionist, who I believe are bloated gas
bags....base
| > their science on God's order...God's design. Their scope is limited to
| > exactly what God allows them to understand....and guess what...they
don't
| > even understand that possibility....
| >
| >
| > "William" <telige@mail.clara.fl.com> wrote in message
| > news:40cb74cf.3971852@news-text.blueyonder.co.uk...
| > > On Sat, 12 Jun 2004 16:50:21 -0400, "Mary Hogan"
| > > <hoogy@zoominternet.net> wrote:
| > >
| > > >And yes I did mean...according to the design that God initiated, for
| > without
| > > >this Brainiac design.... there would be no order.
| > > >
| > > >What I meant was you....are not thinking...atheistically.... You
need
| > God
| > > >just as much as I need God!!
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| > > You are not making any sense.
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| > > William
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