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Religions > Atheism |
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"Al Klein" |
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03 Aug 2003 04:56:04 PM |
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Re: Would like to know the atheist answer |
On Sat, 2 Aug 2003 22:55:45 -0400, "xyz" <xyz@attglobal.net> posted in
alt.atheism:
As interesting as the answers given may have been, one of the inescapable
conclusions of this entire thread is that we know absolutely nothing about
the origins of the universe, if any. We can no more state with scientific
certainty that it was created, than we can state that it has always existed.
We can no more prove that it has purpose than we can prove it hasn't. Any
answer we can imagine constitutes a conjecture. Asserting our beliefs as an
answer constitutes a personal leap of faith. Not recognizing this fact is
where the trouble lies, as we try to somehow force our leaps of faith (or
non-faith) on others in defense of our moral codes or values, or even egos.
Right or wrong, we humans have built our societies around those leaps of
faith, and the best we can do is tolerate each other's belief. (Or
non-belief, whatever the case may be).
Some folks replied as if I was trying to convince them that they should
believe in God. I am not.
At least one other poster started his response by asking what it would take
to convince me [of something]. My answer to that gentleman is quite
simple, 'just write your own opinions, I can reach my own conclusions, just
as you can'
Then you can certainly reach the conclusion that there's no reason to
assume that the universe was created, and you can also reach the
conclusion that looking for a reason to think it wasn't created
constitutes a logical fallacy.
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"I don't try to imagine a God; it suffices to stand in awe of the structure of the world
insofar as it allows our inadequate senses to appreciate it."
- Letter to S. Flesch, April 16, 1954; Einstein Archive 30-1154
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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| Title: Re: Would like to know the atheist answer |
04 Aug 2003 10:05:00 PM |
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On Sun, 3 Aug 2003 20:26:30 -0400, "xyz" <xyz@attglobal.net> posted in
alt.atheism:
"Al Klein" <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message
news:k41rivscngc6qar1jbojogb65ni0o34rf9@Pern.rk...
Then you can certainly reach the conclusion that there's no reason to
assume that the universe was created, and you can also reach the
conclusion that looking for a reason to think it wasn't created
constitutes a logical fallacy.
No logical line of reasoning has been found here that would allow us state
anything with certainty.
Very good - you have a reason to not believe in any god. Now study
the logical fallacy known as "shifting the burden" and you'll have the
whole thing.
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"I believe in Spinoza's God who reveals himself in the harmony of all that exists, but
not in a God who concerns himself with the fate and actions of human beings."
-A. Einstein (1929 -- Einstein Archive 33-272)
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