"Thore Schmechtig" <WRITETOcommoner@carcosa.de> wrote in message
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Therion, you remind me of a 12 year old script kiddy.

Jistanass: And of course there is Thorry.

Madame, that is my first and basic concern. You have in fact taken and used
something that does not belong to you, namely, a persons name.
The content is besides the point. If you have no right to use the name,
the content matters not. Madame is justifying the ends by the means.

""Anne Marie"" <annmarie-no-spam@cotse.net> wrote in message
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On Fri, 13 Feb 2004 06:31:50 SAT, JISTASKKIN ("JISTASKKIN"
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""Anne Marie"" <annmarie-no-spam@cotse.net> wrote in message

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His unscrupulous use of Jason's name is borderline illegal.

{snip}

My dear, your knowledge of law is perhaps only exceeded by your

knowledge

of theology and religion, and those things are in turn exceeded only by
your tracing abilities.

Madame, my apologies for the sloppy trace. It was the best 15 seconds
worth of time could produce.
A better dig query has given me a more accurate picture.

No doubt we shall see - though I rather doubt it.

Others have noted that Jason is a public figure and as a public figure
open to legitimate scrutiny.

Madame, I would not oppose nor question honest scrutiny.

Of course you would my dear as we see you do - for you studiously avoid

any

discussion of the site content, and take me to task for the name alone -

Madame, that is my first and basic concern. You have in fact taken and used
something that does not belong to you, namely, a persons name.

The content is besides the point. If you have no right to use the name,
the content matters not. Madame is justifying the ends by the means.

while studiously ignoring similar acts by Jason himself. To wit his use
of "michaelnewdow.com" and "skepticsannotatedbible.org" - both of which he
uses on at least a semi (and some would say - lol - "wholly") commercial
basis. One wonders what ICANN would have to say about that, with

particular

respect to paragraphs 4b ii - iv of the Uniform Domain Name Dispute
Resolution Policy.

Madame is engaging in finger pointing. May I suggest you stand in front of
a mirror whilst you do that..

One might for instance take a candidate who calls for fiscal
responsibility and see if his life reflects this. If many think he
misrepresents the truth then this is a legitimate area of concern and
open to public examination.

I would support Madame in that worthy endeavor. However, I fail to see

how

using a person's name without their permission could represent someone

who

is claiming to be in search of truth.

Rather as if someone took "skepticsannotatedbible" and used the .org
version to confuse matters, in contravention of the ICANN domain name
resolution policy 4.a.i, perhaps? Or perhaps if someone took the domain
name http://www.michaelnewdow.com and used it to promote his own rather
idiosyncratic religious views. And of course that site isn't "about"
Michael Newdow, but "Michael Newdow".

Madame, I am not interested in who is being more petty.

Not to mention using his photograph.

Which is freely available on the web and in other published sources as a
result of his bid for the office of governor. Presumably Jason would use a
similar justification for his use of Mr Newdow's photograph on
http://www.michaelnewdow.com. Sauce for the goose my dear, sauce for the
goose.

Madame obviously enjoys playing games. It's these silly antics that are why
the courts are over flowing.

Those activities crosses the line. And yes Madame, I am familiar with

the

line because I took part in developing AUP's for various large ISP's.

Here

is an excerpt from one I am sure you are familiar with.
http://www.cotse.net/tos.html#offensive

Well my dear if that's indeed the case, I hope you're rather more apposite
in your professional life than you are on usenet - for the link which

while

nicely cited bears no relevance whatsoever to the matter at hand. Cotse
supplies my email and usenet services, not my webhosting as would be
obvious to the most inexperienced tyro.

Madame, I merely stated that it would be an AUP you would be familiar with.
Why so defensive?

Q: Will we terminate an account for posting personal information about
another?

A: Yes if our user continues to do it deliberately to harass. While it is
not illegal to post publicly available info, if they are doing it as a
means to harass and attack we will terminate the account. Please note

that

personal info means name and address or phone, not name alone. E-mail
address does not count as personal information.

Even were the cotse AUP relevant to the matter at hand, I cannot help but
wonder where you think I have published Jason's address and phone number?

Irrelevant. You have taken something you have no right to.

Madame, what has taken place can be described as offensive.

The truth usually is my dear, to those who have a vested interest in
keeping it hidden, for as you will be aware the www.aboutjasongastrich.org
confines itself to commentary on a small subsection of what Jason has
published on the web and usenet.

Madame is squirming and is now finding all kinds of excuses for her
behavior. Try again.

If I were to have used the website to publish his home address, phone
number, financial status, any interesting financial history, family

details

and so on then you might well have a point - but I do not. I confine

myself

to what he's said in the public domain and have offered him right of reply
(which one suspects is rather more than he would do were the positions
reversed).

Madame has indeed taken her squabbling to the slippery slope.

While the legal
people could argue letter of the law technicalities, it is clear there is
absolute demolishment of the spirit of this AUP. But the site itself is

not

hosted there.

Which rather renders your previous few paragraphs irrelevant: as

previously

noted - sound and fury signifying nothing...

Madame is finding it easy to be brave from a distance. Fortunately your
antics are not worth making an example of.

Which is in itself interesting. The site is hosted over in
Europe. Why? Perhaps to avoid any legal discomforts? Hard to say for
sure.

Oh my dear, you might think that, but I couldn't possibly comment even if
there is a rather simpler explanation that appears to have escaped your
razor sharp wit.

Madame is not making sense.

You on the other hand, I am advised, have made libelous allegations
against Video2CD ("shady business practices") as well as thinly veiled
threats against that business ("Well, lets just say that anyone
who uses that particular registrar is very likely to open all their
business transactions with a cool sounding " pssssst buddy")
and so I would think that you have much more to fear from a complaint
that I do.

But Madame, it is unclear why a seemingly good and respectable business
such as Video2CD would be associated with those who dabble in less than
honorable pursuits. Unless the former is in fact run by the latter. It
does lead one to question the appearance of the situation.

Oh - such bald assertion! You have yet to show that anything that remotely
substantiates the allegations you so freely make, though I will be
interested to see if you take Jason to task in the same terms for his use
of "skepticsannotatedbible" and "michaelnewdow.com" - which of course you
will not because your fits of morality are nothing if not a highly
selective convenience that pander to your chidlish beliefs.

Madame, please refrain from sharing any more insights from your crystal
ball. Let me invite you to reality.
I have never supported the use of a personal name by anyone without
authorization. After mediating many of these
self-indulgent incidents between two supposedly mature adults, I have yet
to see one instance that promoted even the smallest amount of goodwill.

Madame, the premise of your actions by you and others who participate in
this abuse of our "free" society is inherently rude and immoral.

But if as they say if you wish to try your strength with me - by all
means. But my dear, of course you will do nothing as sound and fury
frequently signifies.

Madame is fortunate the harassment being subjected by her cohorts is not
likely to receive a counter strike. I have dealt with the most unsavory
element the net has to offer, the ugliest results are usually started by
what you have helped initiate. Very fortunate for you Jason is a man

above

your brand of pettiness. I can assure you there are those who would be
more than happy to stoop to your level.

As you ably demonstrate.

Madame, I would not lower myself for a just cause, let alone this.

Now, kneel and thank me for what I have given you in the way of advice,
and say adieu before I give you more than the cursory attention that a
cat's paw deserves which alas it appears that I already have. But Il
amuse, n'est-ce pas?

Madame, I am sure we all have better things to do than blow smoke at each
other. But you will be defining your business in the process. I know

how

businesses just love to have a divided customer base. Capice?

Oh such assumption and assertion rolled into such a neat little package.
How pretty on the outside and how empty inside: the plain fact is that no
one who matters in this respect cares or is likely to.

So you hope.

And I highly encourage Jason to complain to the registrar (tucows) and

the

host (http://www.123-reg.co.uk) I know for a fact that credible hosting
companies and registrrs frown on your sort of "scrutiny" of individuals.
It is my sincere hope that all the staff at Video2CD are'nt so void of
good and honest pursuits.

My dear, you really should spend a little time working on those tracing
skills, for in that last paragraph you simply demonstrate yourself to be

in

need of a little more practice at this kind of thing.

Madame, I am admittedly a little rusty. But I took your advice and spent a
few minutes snooping. The site is a little convoluted if you ask me. The
name-servers send the site to a redirect. Which is the 123-reg. So?
It all looks somewhat amateurish. You French should stick to cooking. Wee?

--
Zeal is fit only for wise men but is found most often in fools.