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25 Feb 2004 04:55:20 PM |
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Re: You Can Tear Out A Page of Your Bible |
Snowbird <snowbirdRemoveThis@ThisToosnowbird.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message news:<HJN_b.11469$Y%6.1079250@wards.force9.net>...
Uncle Davey wrote:
So, umm, what's your scientific theory of the resurrection, then?
I never claimed to have one. Nor did I claim that one was necessary.
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Wayne
Three errors common to medical pseudoscience today, can equally well
be applied to the Biblical accounts of the resurection.
1. Patient's initial condition is not carefully diagnosed (Was Jesus
actually dead, prior to the reported resurection?)
2. Patient's final condition is not properly evaluated (Did Jesus
actually come back to life, after he reportedly died?)
3. The case study is entirely bogus. The patient never existed, as
claimed.
Dave
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| User: "Jerzy Jakubowski" |
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| Title: Re: You Can Tear Out A Page of Your Bible |
26 Feb 2004 07:13:03 AM |
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(dave e) wrote in message news:<10ffa4e4.0402251455.6a6303dd@posting.google.com>...
Snowbird <snowbirdRemoveThis@ThisToosnowbird.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message news:<HJN_b.11469$Y%6.1079250@wards.force9.net>...
Uncle Davey wrote:
So, umm, what's your scientific theory of the resurrection, then?
I never claimed to have one. Nor did I claim that one was necessary.
-
Wayne
Three errors common to medical pseudoscience today, can equally well
be applied to the Biblical accounts of the resurection.
1. Patient's initial condition is not carefully diagnosed (Was Jesus
actually dead, prior to the reported resurection?)
2. Patient's final condition is not properly evaluated (Did Jesus
actually come back to life, after he reportedly died?)
3. The case study is entirely bogus. The patient never existed, as
claimed.
Dave
That's not quite what I had in mind in my question for Snowbird.
Wayne, why is a scientific theory of the new creation not necessary
when a scientific theory of the first one was?
Uncle Davey
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| User: "Snowbird" |
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| Title: Re: You Can Tear Out A Page of Your Bible |
26 Feb 2004 01:39:50 PM |
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Jerzy Jakubowski wrote:
dgenglish@hotmail.com (dave e) wrote in message news:<10ffa4e4.0402251455.6a6303dd@posting.google.com>...
Snowbird <snowbirdRemoveThis@ThisToosnowbird.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message news:<HJN_b.11469$Y%6.1079250@wards.force9.net>...
Uncle Davey wrote:
So, umm, what's your scientific theory of the resurrection, then?
I never claimed to have one. Nor did I claim that one was necessary.
-
Wayne
Three errors common to medical pseudoscience today, can equally well
be applied to the Biblical accounts of the resurection.
1. Patient's initial condition is not carefully diagnosed (Was Jesus
actually dead, prior to the reported resurection?)
2. Patient's final condition is not properly evaluated (Did Jesus
actually come back to life, after he reportedly died?)
3. The case study is entirely bogus. The patient never existed, as
claimed.
Dave
That's not quite what I had in mind in my question for Snowbird.
Wayne, why is a scientific theory of the new creation not necessary
when a scientific theory of the first one was?
The theory of evolution is not a theory of creation of the universe.
Resurrection is not a 'new creation' of the universe and is a faith issue.
-
Wayne
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| User: "Jerzy Jakubowski" |
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| Title: Re: You Can Tear Out A Page of Your Bible |
27 Feb 2004 06:17:15 AM |
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Snowbird <snowbirdRemoveThis@ThisToosnowbird.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message news:<yWr%b.11935$h44.1248971@stones.force9.net>...
Jerzy Jakubowski wrote:
dgenglish@hotmail.com (dave e) wrote in message news:<10ffa4e4.0402251455.6a6303dd@posting.google.com>...
Snowbird <snowbirdRemoveThis@ThisToosnowbird.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message news:<HJN_b.11469$Y%6.1079250@wards.force9.net>...
Uncle Davey wrote:
So, umm, what's your scientific theory of the resurrection, then?
I never claimed to have one. Nor did I claim that one was necessary.
-
Wayne
Three errors common to medical pseudoscience today, can equally well
be applied to the Biblical accounts of the resurection.
1. Patient's initial condition is not carefully diagnosed (Was Jesus
actually dead, prior to the reported resurection?)
2. Patient's final condition is not properly evaluated (Did Jesus
actually come back to life, after he reportedly died?)
3. The case study is entirely bogus. The patient never existed, as
claimed.
Dave
That's not quite what I had in mind in my question for Snowbird.
Wayne, why is a scientific theory of the new creation not necessary
when a scientific theory of the first one was?
The theory of evolution is not a theory of creation of the universe.
Resurrection is not a 'new creation' of the universe and is a faith issue.
-
Wayne
But the New Testament talks about the universe dissolving with fervent
heat and a new heaven and earth appearing, so how is that not a 'new
creation' of the Universe?
Which bits of the Bible do you believe and which bits don't you
believe?
Uncle Davey
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| User: "Snowbird" |
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| Title: Re: You Can Tear Out A Page of Your Bible |
27 Feb 2004 05:45:13 PM |
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Jerzy Jakubowski wrote:
Snowbird <snowbirdRemoveThis@ThisToosnowbird.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message news:<yWr%b.11935$h44.1248971@stones.force9.net>...
Jerzy Jakubowski wrote:
dgenglish@hotmail.com (dave e) wrote in message news:<10ffa4e4.0402251455.6a6303dd@posting.google.com>...
Snowbird <snowbirdRemoveThis@ThisToosnowbird.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message news:<HJN_b.11469$Y%6.1079250@wards.force9.net>...
Uncle Davey wrote:
So, umm, what's your scientific theory of the resurrection, then?
I never claimed to have one. Nor did I claim that one was necessary.
-
Wayne
Three errors common to medical pseudoscience today, can equally well
be applied to the Biblical accounts of the resurection.
1. Patient's initial condition is not carefully diagnosed (Was Jesus
actually dead, prior to the reported resurection?)
2. Patient's final condition is not properly evaluated (Did Jesus
actually come back to life, after he reportedly died?)
3. The case study is entirely bogus. The patient never existed, as
claimed.
Dave
That's not quite what I had in mind in my question for Snowbird.
Wayne, why is a scientific theory of the new creation not necessary
when a scientific theory of the first one was?
The theory of evolution is not a theory of creation of the universe.
Resurrection is not a 'new creation' of the universe and is a faith issue.
-
Wayne
But the New Testament talks about the universe dissolving with fervent
heat and a new heaven and earth appearing, so how is that not a 'new
creation' of the Universe?
That wasn't the issue. The issue was that the resurrection of Jesus isn't
a new creation and doesn't need a scientific theory. Heck nothing *needs*
a scientific theory, *we* just use them to try and find things out about
this universe.
Which bits of the Bible do you believe and which bits don't you
believe?
I think you are drifting from the original question.
-
Wayne
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| User: "Uncle Davey" |
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| Title: Re: You Can Tear Out A Page of Your Bible |
28 Feb 2004 04:48:02 AM |
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Uzytkownik "Snowbird" <snowbirdRemoveThis@ThisToosnowbird.freeserve.co.uk>
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Jerzy Jakubowski wrote:
Snowbird <snowbirdRemoveThis@ThisToosnowbird.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in
message news:<yWr%b.11935$h44.1248971@stones.force9.net>...
Jerzy Jakubowski wrote:
dgenglish@hotmail.com (dave e) wrote in message
news:<10ffa4e4.0402251455.6a6303dd@posting.google.com>...
Snowbird <snowbirdRemoveThis@ThisToosnowbird.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in
message news:<HJN_b.11469$Y%6.1079250@wards.force9.net>...
Uncle Davey wrote:
So, umm, what's your scientific theory of the resurrection, then?
I never claimed to have one. Nor did I claim that one was necessary.
-
Wayne
Three errors common to medical pseudoscience today, can equally well
be applied to the Biblical accounts of the resurection.
1. Patient's initial condition is not carefully diagnosed (Was Jesus
actually dead, prior to the reported resurection?)
2. Patient's final condition is not properly evaluated (Did Jesus
actually come back to life, after he reportedly died?)
3. The case study is entirely bogus. The patient never existed, as
claimed.
Dave
That's not quite what I had in mind in my question for Snowbird.
Wayne, why is a scientific theory of the new creation not necessary
when a scientific theory of the first one was?
The theory of evolution is not a theory of creation of the universe.
Resurrection is not a 'new creation' of the universe and is a faith
issue.
-
Wayne
But the New Testament talks about the universe dissolving with fervent
heat and a new heaven and earth appearing, so how is that not a 'new
creation' of the Universe?
That wasn't the issue. The issue was that the resurrection of Jesus isn't
a new creation and doesn't need a scientific theory. Heck nothing *needs*
a scientific theory, *we* just use them to try and find things out about
this universe.
Which bits of the Bible do you believe and which bits don't you
believe?
I think you are drifting from the original question.
-
Wayne
That may be so, but is that a good reason not to answer the question?
Uncle Davey
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| User: "Snowbird" |
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| Title: Re: You Can Tear Out A Page of Your Bible |
28 Feb 2004 05:59:49 PM |
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Uncle Davey wrote:
Uzytkownik "Snowbird" <snowbirdRemoveThis@ThisToosnowbird.freeserve.co.uk>
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Jerzy Jakubowski wrote:
Snowbird <snowbirdRemoveThis@ThisToosnowbird.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in
message news:<yWr%b.11935$h44.1248971@stones.force9.net>...
Jerzy Jakubowski wrote:
dgenglish@hotmail.com (dave e) wrote in message
news:<10ffa4e4.0402251455.6a6303dd@posting.google.com>...
Snowbird <snowbirdRemoveThis@ThisToosnowbird.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in
message news:<HJN_b.11469$Y%6.1079250@wards.force9.net>...
Uncle Davey wrote:
So, umm, what's your scientific theory of the resurrection, then?
I never claimed to have one. Nor did I claim that one was necessary.
-
Wayne
Three errors common to medical pseudoscience today, can equally well
be applied to the Biblical accounts of the resurection.
1. Patient's initial condition is not carefully diagnosed (Was Jesus
actually dead, prior to the reported resurection?)
2. Patient's final condition is not properly evaluated (Did Jesus
actually come back to life, after he reportedly died?)
3. The case study is entirely bogus. The patient never existed, as
claimed.
Dave
That's not quite what I had in mind in my question for Snowbird.
Wayne, why is a scientific theory of the new creation not necessary
when a scientific theory of the first one was?
The theory of evolution is not a theory of creation of the universe.
Resurrection is not a 'new creation' of the universe and is a faith
issue.
-
Wayne
But the New Testament talks about the universe dissolving with fervent
heat and a new heaven and earth appearing, so how is that not a 'new
creation' of the Universe?
That wasn't the issue. The issue was that the resurrection of Jesus isn't
a new creation and doesn't need a scientific theory. Heck nothing *needs*
a scientific theory, *we* just use them to try and find things out about
this universe.
Which bits of the Bible do you believe and which bits don't you
believe?
I think you are drifting from the original question.
-
Wayne
That may be so, but is that a good reason not to answer the question?
Yes. You see, until you pay me the courtesy of answering my question
or addressing the original issue I am under no obligation to answer
your subsequent query. Order takes precedence.
-
Wayne
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| User: "Uncle Davey" |
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| Title: Re: You Can Tear Out A Page of Your Bible |
29 Feb 2004 05:08:51 AM |
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Uzytkownik "Snowbird" <snowbirdRemoveThis@ThisToosnowbird.freeserve.co.uk>
napisal w wiadomosci news:cW90c.13154$h44.1386449@stones.force9.net...
Uncle Davey wrote:
Uzytkownik "Snowbird"
<snowbirdRemoveThis@ThisToosnowbird.freeserve.co.uk>
napisal w wiadomosci news:zCQ%b.12890$h44.1322891@stones.force9.net...
Jerzy Jakubowski wrote:
Snowbird <snowbirdRemoveThis@ThisToosnowbird.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in
message news:<yWr%b.11935$h44.1248971@stones.force9.net>...
Jerzy Jakubowski wrote:
dgenglish@hotmail.com (dave e) wrote in message
news:<10ffa4e4.0402251455.6a6303dd@posting.google.com>...
Snowbird <snowbirdRemoveThis@ThisToosnowbird.freeserve.co.uk> wrote
in
message news:<HJN_b.11469$Y%6.1079250@wards.force9.net>...
Uncle Davey wrote:
So, umm, what's your scientific theory of the resurrection, then?
I never claimed to have one. Nor did I claim that one was
necessary.
-
Wayne
Three errors common to medical pseudoscience today, can equally well
be applied to the Biblical accounts of the resurection.
1. Patient's initial condition is not carefully diagnosed (Was
Jesus
actually dead, prior to the reported resurection?)
2. Patient's final condition is not properly evaluated (Did Jesus
actually come back to life, after he reportedly died?)
3. The case study is entirely bogus. The patient never existed,
as
claimed.
Dave
That's not quite what I had in mind in my question for Snowbird.
Wayne, why is a scientific theory of the new creation not necessary
when a scientific theory of the first one was?
The theory of evolution is not a theory of creation of the universe.
Resurrection is not a 'new creation' of the universe and is a faith
issue.
-
Wayne
But the New Testament talks about the universe dissolving with fervent
heat and a new heaven and earth appearing, so how is that not a 'new
creation' of the Universe?
That wasn't the issue. The issue was that the resurrection of Jesus
isn't
a new creation and doesn't need a scientific theory. Heck nothing
*needs*
a scientific theory, *we* just use them to try and find things out about
this universe.
Which bits of the Bible do you believe and which bits don't you
believe?
I think you are drifting from the original question.
-
Wayne
That may be so, but is that a good reason not to answer the question?
Yes. You see, until you pay me the courtesy of answering my question
or addressing the original issue I am under no obligation to answer
your subsequent query. Order takes precedence.
-
Wayne
Hang on, what question did you ask me?
I can't see you asking me any questions in the above content, sorry in
advance if I've missed something.
Uncle Davey
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| User: "Snowbird" |
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29 Feb 2004 06:39:37 AM |
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Uncle Davey wrote:
Uzytkownik "Snowbird" <snowbirdRemoveThis@ThisToosnowbird.freeserve.co.uk>
napisal w wiadomosci news:cW90c.13154$h44.1386449@stones.force9.net...
Uncle Davey wrote:
Uzytkownik "Snowbird"
<snowbirdRemoveThis@ThisToosnowbird.freeserve.co.uk>
napisal w wiadomosci news:zCQ%b.12890$h44.1322891@stones.force9.net...
Jerzy Jakubowski wrote:
Snowbird <snowbirdRemoveThis@ThisToosnowbird.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in
message news:<yWr%b.11935$h44.1248971@stones.force9.net>...
Jerzy Jakubowski wrote:
dgenglish@hotmail.com (dave e) wrote in message
news:<10ffa4e4.0402251455.6a6303dd@posting.google.com>...
Snowbird <snowbirdRemoveThis@ThisToosnowbird.freeserve.co.uk> wrote
in
message news:<HJN_b.11469$Y%6.1079250@wards.force9.net>...
Uncle Davey wrote:
So, umm, what's your scientific theory of the resurrection, then?
I never claimed to have one. Nor did I claim that one was
necessary.
-
Wayne
Three errors common to medical pseudoscience today, can equally well
be applied to the Biblical accounts of the resurection.
1. Patient's initial condition is not carefully diagnosed (Was
Jesus
actually dead, prior to the reported resurection?)
2. Patient's final condition is not properly evaluated (Did Jesus
actually come back to life, after he reportedly died?)
3. The case study is entirely bogus. The patient never existed,
as
claimed.
Dave
That's not quite what I had in mind in my question for Snowbird.
Wayne, why is a scientific theory of the new creation not necessary
when a scientific theory of the first one was?
The theory of evolution is not a theory of creation of the universe.
Resurrection is not a 'new creation' of the universe and is a faith
issue.
-
Wayne
But the New Testament talks about the universe dissolving with fervent
heat and a new heaven and earth appearing, so how is that not a 'new
creation' of the Universe?
That wasn't the issue. The issue was that the resurrection of Jesus
isn't
a new creation and doesn't need a scientific theory. Heck nothing
*needs*
a scientific theory, *we* just use them to try and find things out about
this universe.
Which bits of the Bible do you believe and which bits don't you
believe?
I think you are drifting from the original question.
-
Wayne
That may be so, but is that a good reason not to answer the question?
Yes. You see, until you pay me the courtesy of answering my question
or addressing the original issue I am under no obligation to answer
your subsequent query. Order takes precedence.
-
Wayne
Hang on, what question did you ask me?
I can't see you asking me any questions in the above content, sorry in
advance if I've missed something.
Apology accepted.
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Wayne
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| User: "Uncle Davey" |
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29 Feb 2004 06:37:09 AM |
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Uzytkownik "Snowbird" <snowbirdRemoveThis@ThisToosnowbird.freeserve.co.uk>
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Uncle Davey wrote:
Uzytkownik "Snowbird"
<snowbirdRemoveThis@ThisToosnowbird.freeserve.co.uk>
napisal w wiadomosci news:cW90c.13154$h44.1386449@stones.force9.net...
Uncle Davey wrote:
Uzytkownik "Snowbird"
<snowbirdRemoveThis@ThisToosnowbird.freeserve.co.uk>
napisal w wiadomosci news:zCQ%b.12890$h44.1322891@stones.force9.net...
Jerzy Jakubowski wrote:
Snowbird <snowbirdRemoveThis@ThisToosnowbird.freeserve.co.uk> wrote
in
message news:<yWr%b.11935$h44.1248971@stones.force9.net>...
Jerzy Jakubowski wrote:
dgenglish@hotmail.com (dave e) wrote in message
news:<10ffa4e4.0402251455.6a6303dd@posting.google.com>...
Snowbird <snowbirdRemoveThis@ThisToosnowbird.freeserve.co.uk>
wrote
in
message news:<HJN_b.11469$Y%6.1079250@wards.force9.net>...
Uncle Davey wrote:
So, umm, what's your scientific theory of the resurrection,
then?
I never claimed to have one. Nor did I claim that one was
necessary.
-
Wayne
Three errors common to medical pseudoscience today, can equally
well
be applied to the Biblical accounts of the resurection.
1. Patient's initial condition is not carefully diagnosed (Was
Jesus
actually dead, prior to the reported resurection?)
2. Patient's final condition is not properly evaluated (Did
Jesus
actually come back to life, after he reportedly died?)
3. The case study is entirely bogus. The patient never existed,
as
claimed.
Dave
That's not quite what I had in mind in my question for Snowbird.
Wayne, why is a scientific theory of the new creation not necessary
when a scientific theory of the first one was?
The theory of evolution is not a theory of creation of the universe.
Resurrection is not a 'new creation' of the universe and is a faith
issue.
-
Wayne
But the New Testament talks about the universe dissolving with
fervent
heat and a new heaven and earth appearing, so how is that not a 'new
creation' of the Universe?
That wasn't the issue. The issue was that the resurrection of Jesus
isn't
a new creation and doesn't need a scientific theory. Heck nothing
*needs*
a scientific theory, *we* just use them to try and find things out
about
this universe.
Which bits of the Bible do you believe and which bits don't you
believe?
I think you are drifting from the original question.
-
Wayne
That may be so, but is that a good reason not to answer the question?
Yes. You see, until you pay me the courtesy of answering my question
or addressing the original issue I am under no obligation to answer
your subsequent query. Order takes precedence.
-
Wayne
Hang on, what question did you ask me?
I can't see you asking me any questions in the above content, sorry in
advance if I've missed something.
Apology accepted.
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Wayne
:-)
Uncle Davey
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