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"Fredric L. Rice" |
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12 Nov 2003 11:29:09 PM |
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Real life Texas hatchet murderer walks free |
Maybe if the populace wasn't awash in superstition and ignorance, rich
white men wouldn't get away with deliberate murder and butchery.
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Millionaire Durst Cleared in Texas Death
By JUAN A. LOZANO, Associated Press Writer
GALVESTON, Texas - Eccentric New York millionaire Robert Durst, who said he
accidentally killed a hot-tempered neighbor in self-defense and then
dismembered the body in a panic, was found innocent Tuesday of murder.
Jurors deliberated over five days, following nearly six weeks of testimony,
before deciding that the real estate heir did not murder 71-year-old Morris
Black, who lived across the hall from him in a low-rent apartment building.
Durst, 60, who is under suspicion in two other killings and who posed for a
time as a mute woman, testified in his own defense for nearly four days. He
insisted that Black was shot accidentally during a struggle over a gun, and
said he used two saws and an ax to cut up the body. The victim's head has
never been found.
Durst appeared stunned when he heard the verdict from state District Judge
Susan Criss, standing with his mouth slightly open and his eyes filling
with tears. He hugged his attorneys afterward, saying: "Thank you so much."
After the killing in late September 2001, Durst was a fugitive for six
weeks until he was caught in Pennsylvania when he tried to shoplift a $5
sandwich even though he had $500 in his pocket.
At defense attorneys' request, jurors considered only a murder charge. They
could have asked that jurors consider a lesser charge, such as
manslaughter, in addition to murder, but opted for an all-or-nothing
strategy.
If he had been convicted, Durst could have been sentenced to five to 99
years in prison and been fined up to $10,000.
Prosecutors called Durst a calculating, cold-blooded killer who shot Black
to steal his identity. They said all his actions afterward, including
cutting up the body and twice fleeing Galveston, were part of an elaborate
plan to hide his guilt.
But defense attorneys contended Black was shot accidentally while the two
men struggled for a gun after Durst found his neighbor illegally in his
apartment. The defense said prosecutors failed to show jurors any motive
for the killing or disprove self-defense.
"Whatever (Durst) did after Morris Black was dead cannot change how Morris
Black died," defense attorney ***** DeGuerin said in his closing statement.
"You can't convict Bob Durst simply because of that."
District Attorney Kurt Sistrunk said Durst cut up Black's body without
hesitation, meticulously cleaned the crime scene, reserved a flight to
leave the area and dumped the body but later returned to retrieve the head
because it could identify his victim.
"Is it well planned and calculated? You bet it is," Sistrunk said.
Durst moved to Galveston in November 2000 disguised as a woman to escape
scrutiny in New York after an investigation was reopened into the 1982
disappearance of his first wife, Kathleen. He used the name Dorothy Ciner,
a childhood friend.
After he jumped bail in Black's killing, Galveston authorities learned he
was wanted for questioning in his first wife's disappearance and in the
Christmas Eve 2000 shooting death in Los Angeles of a friend, writer Susan
Berman, who was set to be questioned about his missing wife.
He met Black while wearing his disguise but later dropped the masquerade
and they became friends.
Durst's attorneys said the friendship soured because of the elderly man's
increasingly aggressive behavior. Durst and other witnesses testified Black
often got into fights and arguments.
Neighbors "could hear Morris Black two blocks down the road when he was in
his rages," said Debra Monogan, who once lived upstairs from Black in South
Carolina.
Prosecutors said Black was abrasive but not violent.
Durst testified that he found Black in his apartment on Sept. 28, 2001, and
that Black armed himself with a gun Durst had hidden. During a struggle,
the weapon fired, hitting Black in the face, he said.
Durst testified he did not recall details about dismembering the body, but
when pressed by a prosecutor he said he remembered "a nightmare with blood
everywhere."
"I remember like I was looking down on something and I was swimming in
blood and I kept spitting up and spitting up and I don't know what is real
and I don't know what is not real," Durst said.
He said he preferred not to use the term "murder" to describe Black's
death.
"I like dying better. Killed implies like I killed him. I did not kill
him," Durst said.
"It was self-defense and an accident," he said.
When he learned police had found some of Black's remains, Durst said he
fled to New Orleans with five pounds of marijuana and more than $500,000 in
cash.
He returned to Galveston and was arrested. He posted bail and fled, and was
captured six weeks later in Pennsylvania when he was caught trying to steal
a $5 sandwich and bandages while he had $500 in his pocket.
Durst's family runs the Durst Organization, a privately held, billion-
dollar New York company.
---
Yes, George W. Bush is an unelected baby killing fascist dictator.
Also: Scientology's International President (Audio files of this
nutter available at http://www.linkline.com/personal/frice )
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| User: "nenslo" |
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13 Nov 2003 02:31:34 PM |
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"Fredric L. Rice" wrote:
Maybe if the populace wasn't awash in superstition and ignorance, rich
white men wouldn't get away with deliberate murder and butchery.
Maybe if you weren't such a FUCKING IDIOT you'd know that Durst SHOT
his latest victim you pathetic halfwit, making him NOT a "hatchet
murderer." But then facts are irrelevant to ignorant shitbags like
you. Never mind the FACT that our alleged "president" has had
thousands of innocent people murdered and butchered for the personal
profit of his cronies, you superstitious ignorant chump.
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| User: "Elroy Willis" |
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13 Nov 2003 04:46:32 PM |
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nenslo <nenslo@yahooX.com> wrote in alt.atheism
Fredric L. Rice wrote:
Maybe if the populace wasn't awash in superstition and ignorance, rich
white men wouldn't get away with deliberate murder and butchery.
Maybe if you weren't such a FUCKING IDIOT you'd know that Durst SHOT
his latest victim you pathetic halfwit, making him NOT a "hatchet
murderer." But then facts are irrelevant to ignorant shitbags like
you. Never mind the FACT that our alleged "president" has had
thousands of innocent people murdered and butchered for the personal
profit of his cronies, you superstitious ignorant chump.
Fucking idiot pathetic halfwit shitbag superstitious ignorant chump?
Get up on the wrong side of the bed today?
--
Elroy Willis
EAP Chief Editor and Newshound
http://web2.airmail.net/~elo/news
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| User: "Reverend Vertigo" |
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13 Nov 2003 04:49:41 PM |
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Elroy Willis wrote:
nenslo <nenslo@yahooX.com> wrote in alt.atheism
Fredric L. Rice wrote:
Maybe if the populace wasn't awash in superstition and ignorance, rich
white men wouldn't get away with deliberate murder and butchery.
Maybe if you weren't such a FUCKING IDIOT you'd know that Durst SHOT
his latest victim you pathetic halfwit, making him NOT a "hatchet
murderer." But then facts are irrelevant to ignorant shitbags like
you. Never mind the FACT that our alleged "president" has had
thousands of innocent people murdered and butchered for the personal
profit of his cronies, you superstitious ignorant chump.
Fucking idiot pathetic halfwit shitbag superstitious ignorant chump?
Get up on the wrong side of the bed today?
No, today's been a *good* day for him, if you believe that one.
--
Dean for America
http://www.deanforamerica.com
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| User: "Elroy Willis" |
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13 Nov 2003 06:34:29 PM |
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Reverend Vertigo <jhobbs@myrealbox.com> wrote in alt.atheism
Elroy Willis wrote:
nenslo <nenslo@yahooX.com> wrote in alt.atheism
Fredric L. Rice wrote:
Maybe if the populace wasn't awash in superstition and ignorance, rich
white men wouldn't get away with deliberate murder and butchery.
Maybe if you weren't such a FUCKING IDIOT you'd know that Durst SHOT
his latest victim you pathetic halfwit, making him NOT a "hatchet
murderer." But then facts are irrelevant to ignorant shitbags like
you. Never mind the FACT that our alleged "president" has had
thousands of innocent people murdered and butchered for the personal
profit of his cronies, you superstitious ignorant chump.
Fucking idiot pathetic halfwit shitbag superstitious ignorant chump?
Get up on the wrong side of the bed today?
No, today's been a *good* day for him, if you believe that one.
If that's the case, I'd hate to see him on a bad day!
--
Elroy Willis
EAP Chief Editor and Newshound
http://web2.airmail.net/~elo/news
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| User: "Fredric L. Rice" |
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13 Nov 2003 08:45:48 PM |
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nenslo <nenslo@yahooX.com> wrote:
"Fredric L. Rice" wrote:
Maybe if the populace wasn't awash in superstition and ignorance, rich
white men wouldn't get away with deliberate murder and butchery.
Maybe if you weren't such a FUCKING IDIOT you'd know that Durst SHOT
his latest victim you pathetic halfwit, making him NOT a "hatchet
murderer." But then facts are irrelevant to ignorant shitbags like
you. Never mind the FACT that our alleged "president" has had
thousands of innocent people murdered and butchered for the personal
profit of his cronies, you superstitious ignorant chump.
Hey, *****, "hatchet murderer" reads better than "gunman." If you
don't like it, go steal this guy's sandwhich. He's out walking freely
among us, you know. And so is O. J. Simpson and he still has his knife.
---
Yes, George W. Bush is an unelected baby killing fascist dictator.
Also: Scientology's International President (Audio files of this
nutter available at http://www.linkline.com/personal/frice )
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| User: "Elroy Willis" |
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13 Nov 2003 06:09:14 AM |
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(Fredric L. Rice) wrote in alt.atheism
He returned to Galveston and was arrested. He posted bail and fled, and was
captured six weeks later in Pennsylvania when he was caught trying to steal
a $5 sandwich and bandages while he had $500 in his pocket.
Winona Ryder syndrome?
--
Elroy Willis
EAP Chief Editor and Newshound
http://web2.airmail.net/~elo/news
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| User: "SDG&E" |
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13 Nov 2003 07:38:17 AM |
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"Elroy Willis" <elo@airmail.net> wrote in message
news:vts6rvcg6qdf1p74k57skluoc7rdfvevov@4ax.com...
frice@skeptictank.org (Fredric L. Rice) wrote in alt.atheism
He returned to Galveston and was arrested. He posted bail and fled, and
was
captured six weeks later in Pennsylvania when he was caught trying to
steal
a $5 sandwich and bandages while he had $500 in his pocket.
Winona Ryder syndrome?
Winona, hell! A *five_dollar_sandwich*!???!
Must be one *gooooood sandwich!
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| User: "orkneys" |
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13 Nov 2003 08:27:32 AM |
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"SDG&E" <noone@this.address> wrote in message
news:3fb38999$1_3@127.0.0.1...
"Elroy Willis" <elo@airmail.net> wrote in message
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frice@skeptictank.org (Fredric L. Rice) wrote in alt.atheism
He returned to Galveston and was arrested. He posted bail and fled,
and
was
captured six weeks later in Pennsylvania when he was caught trying to
steal
a $5 sandwich and bandages while he had $500 in his pocket.
Winona Ryder syndrome?
Winona, hell! A *five_dollar_sandwich*!???!
Must be one *gooooood sandwich!
What's this stuff I heard last night on the
teevee about TRANSEXUALS being involved
in this case? Sounds kinda kinky.
(Subway sw's cost about 5 bucks each. Taste manufacturered)
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| User: "Fredric L. Rice" |
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13 Nov 2003 08:45:47 PM |
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"SDG&E" <noone@this.address> wrote:
"Elroy Willis" <elo@airmail.net> wrote in message
news:vts6rvcg6qdf1p74k57skluoc7rdfvevov@4ax.com...
frice@skeptictank.org (Fredric L. Rice) wrote in alt.atheism
He returned to Galveston and was arrested. He posted bail and fled, and was
captured six weeks later in Pennsylvania when he was caught trying to steal
a $5 sandwich and bandages while he had $500 in his pocket.
Winona Ryder syndrome?
Winona, hell! A *five_dollar_sandwich*!???!
Must be one *gooooood sandwich!
That's _easy_ to find. Go to Baja Fresh and get a %5.00 burrito, also.
And though I hate Subway, I believe they have sandwhiches that cost that
much.
---
Yes, George W. Bush is an unelected baby killing fascist dictator.
Also: Scientology's International President (Audio files of this
nutter available at http://www.linkline.com/personal/frice )
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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14 Nov 2003 10:36:01 PM |
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On Thu, 13 Nov 2003 07:38:17 -0600, "SDG&E" <noone@this.address>
posted in alt.atheism:
Winona, hell! A *five_dollar_sandwich*!???!
Must be one *gooooood sandwich!
Or imported from some cheap dive in NYC.
--
"We should do unto others as we would want them to do unto us. If I were an unborn
fetus I would want others to use force to protect me, therefore using force against
abortionists is *justifiable homocide*."
- "Pro-Life" doctor killer and corpse Paul Hill
(random sig, produced by SigChanger)
rukbat at optonline dot net
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| User: "Elroy Willis" |
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13 Nov 2003 08:17:00 AM |
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SDG&E <noone@this.address> wrote in alt.atheism
Elroy Willis <elo@airmail.net> wrote in message
frice@skeptictank.org (Fredric L. Rice) wrote in alt.atheism
He returned to Galveston and was arrested. He posted bail and
fled, and was captured six weeks later in Pennsylvania when he was
caught trying to steal a $5 sandwich and bandages while he had $500
in his pocket.
Winona Ryder syndrome?
Winona, hell! A *five_dollar_sandwich*!???!
Must be one *gooooood sandwich!
Maybe the $500 was in a single traveler's check and he didn't wanna
break it?
--
Elroy Willis
EAP Chief Editor and Newshound
http://web2.airmail.net/~elo/news
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| User: "Reverend Vertigo" |
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13 Nov 2003 08:12:32 AM |
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SDG&E wrote:
"Elroy Willis" <elo@airmail.net> wrote in message
news:vts6rvcg6qdf1p74k57skluoc7rdfvevov@4ax.com...
frice@skeptictank.org (Fredric L. Rice) wrote in alt.atheism
He returned to Galveston and was arrested. He posted bail and fled, and
was
captured six weeks later in Pennsylvania when he was caught trying to
steal
a $5 sandwich and bandages while he had $500 in his pocket.
Winona Ryder syndrome?
Winona, hell! A *five_dollar_sandwich*!???!
Must be one *gooooood sandwich!
I thought that at first myself, but then decided they must have meant "a
sandwich and bandages totaling $5 retail value."
--
Dean for America
http://www.deanforamerica.com
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| User: "Elroy Willis" |
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13 Nov 2003 08:37:55 AM |
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Reverend Vertigo <jhobbs@myrealbox.com> wrote in alt.atheism
SDG&E wrote:
Elroy Willis <elo@airmail.net> wrote in message
frice@skeptictank.org (Fredric L. Rice) wrote in alt.atheism
He returned to Galveston and was arrested. He posted bail and fled, and
was captured six weeks later in Pennsylvania when he was caught trying to
steal a $5 sandwich and bandages while he had $500 in his pocket.
Winona Ryder syndrome?
Winona, hell! A *five_dollar_sandwich*!???!
Must be one *gooooood sandwich!
I thought that at first myself, but then decided they must have meant "a
sandwich and bandages totaling $5 retail value."
What's so strange about a $5 sandwich?
--
Elroy Willis
EAP Chief Editor and Newshound
http://web2.airmail.net/~elo/news
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| User: "Reverend Vertigo" |
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13 Nov 2003 09:00:36 AM |
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Elroy Willis wrote:
Reverend Vertigo <jhobbs@myrealbox.com> wrote in alt.atheism
SDG&E wrote:
Elroy Willis <elo@airmail.net> wrote in message
frice@skeptictank.org (Fredric L. Rice) wrote in alt.atheism
He returned to Galveston and was arrested. He posted bail and fled, and
was captured six weeks later in Pennsylvania when he was caught trying to
steal a $5 sandwich and bandages while he had $500 in his pocket.
Winona Ryder syndrome?
Winona, hell! A *five_dollar_sandwich*!???!
Must be one *gooooood sandwich!
I thought that at first myself, but then decided they must have meant "a
sandwich and bandages totaling $5 retail value."
What's so strange about a $5 sandwich?
Nothing at all, if you sit down at a diner or restaurant or bar, and it's
brought out to you on an actual plate by a surly middle-aged broad who's
carrying 10 pounds for each of her years on the earth, or a
bubblegum-chewing bubble-headed 18-year-old eye-candy bimbette.
But $5 for one of those funky-tasting shrink-wrapped jobs from a gas
station's refrigerator case seems a little steep.
Actually, 30 seconds of Google research uncovers:
- the $500 was indeed in cash and not a traveler's check
- the bidness he shoplifted from was a supermarket
- the $5 worth of items included:
- the sandwich in question
- a newspaper
- a box of Band-Aids
Off the top of my head, a shrink-wrapped sandwich from a supermarket runs
about $2.29 in my town. The leading newspaper asks 50 cents for their
weekday edition, and a box of Band-Aids is $1.79.
Prices (and wages) here are a good bit below the national average, so $5 for
all those goodies is probably about right.
Man, I'm bored.
--
Dean for America
http://www.deanforamerica.com
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| User: "Joe Cosby" |
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13 Nov 2003 09:17:01 AM |
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ALSO SPRACH Reverend Vertigo:
Elroy Willis wrote:
Reverend Vertigo <jhobbs@myrealbox.com> wrote in alt.atheism
SDG&E wrote:
Elroy Willis <elo@airmail.net> wrote in message
frice@skeptictank.org (Fredric L. Rice) wrote in alt.atheism
He returned to Galveston and was arrested. He posted bail and fled, and
was captured six weeks later in Pennsylvania when he was caught trying to
steal a $5 sandwich and bandages while he had $500 in his pocket.
Winona Ryder syndrome?
Winona, hell! A *five_dollar_sandwich*!???!
Must be one *gooooood sandwich!
I thought that at first myself, but then decided they must have meant "a
sandwich and bandages totaling $5 retail value."
What's so strange about a $5 sandwich?
Nothing at all, if you sit down at a diner or restaurant or bar, and it's
brought out to you on an actual plate by a surly middle-aged broad who's
carrying 10 pounds for each of her years on the earth, or a
bubblegum-chewing bubble-headed 18-year-old eye-candy bimbette.
But $5 for one of those funky-tasting shrink-wrapped jobs from a gas
station's refrigerator case seems a little steep.
Actually, 30 seconds of Google research uncovers:
- the $500 was indeed in cash and not a traveler's check
- the bidness he shoplifted from was a supermarket
- the $5 worth of items included:
- the sandwich in question
- a newspaper
- a box of Band-Aids
Off the top of my head, a shrink-wrapped sandwich from a supermarket runs
about $2.29 in my town. The leading newspaper asks 50 cents for their
weekday edition, and a box of Band-Aids is $1.79.
Prices (and wages) here are a good bit below the national average, so $5 for
all those goodies is probably about right.
Man, I'm bored.
how do you shoplift a newspaper?
It's too big to stick in your pocket.
--
Joe Cosby
http://joecosby.home.mindspring.com
a cult is a religion without an army.
- nikolai kingsley
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| User: "Danny Kodicek" |
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13 Nov 2003 09:35:54 AM |
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"Joe Cosby" <joecosby@SPAMBLOCKmindspring.com> wrote in message
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ALSO SPRACH Reverend Vertigo:
Elroy Willis wrote:
Reverend Vertigo <jhobbs@myrealbox.com> wrote in alt.atheism
SDG&E wrote:
Elroy Willis <elo@airmail.net> wrote in message
frice@skeptictank.org (Fredric L. Rice) wrote in alt.atheism
He returned to Galveston and was arrested. He posted bail and fled,
and
was captured six weeks later in Pennsylvania when he was caught
trying to
steal a $5 sandwich and bandages while he had $500 in his pocket.
Winona Ryder syndrome?
Winona, hell! A *five_dollar_sandwich*!???!
Must be one *gooooood sandwich!
I thought that at first myself, but then decided they must have meant
"a
sandwich and bandages totaling $5 retail value."
What's so strange about a $5 sandwich?
Nothing at all, if you sit down at a diner or restaurant or bar, and it's
brought out to you on an actual plate by a surly middle-aged broad who's
carrying 10 pounds for each of her years on the earth, or a
bubblegum-chewing bubble-headed 18-year-old eye-candy bimbette.
But $5 for one of those funky-tasting shrink-wrapped jobs from a gas
station's refrigerator case seems a little steep.
Actually, 30 seconds of Google research uncovers:
- the $500 was indeed in cash and not a traveler's check
- the bidness he shoplifted from was a supermarket
- the $5 worth of items included:
- the sandwich in question
- a newspaper
- a box of Band-Aids
Off the top of my head, a shrink-wrapped sandwich from a supermarket runs
about $2.29 in my town. The leading newspaper asks 50 cents for their
weekday edition, and a box of Band-Aids is $1.79.
Prices (and wages) here are a good bit below the national average, so $5
for
all those goodies is probably about right.
Man, I'm bored.
how do you shoplift a newspaper?
It's too big to stick in your pocket.
--
Joe Cosby
http://joecosby.home.mindspring.com
a cult is a religion without an army.
- nikolai kingsley
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| User: "Danny Kodicek" |
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13 Nov 2003 09:46:28 AM |
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"Joe Cosby" <joecosby@SPAMBLOCKmindspring.com> wrote in message
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ALSO SPRACH Reverend Vertigo:
how do you shoplift a newspaper?
It's too big to stick in your pocket.
Easy - I've done it a few times myself completely by accident. You simply
forget you didn't buy it there and carry it out confidently. You could have
bought it anywhere - and unless they saw you pick it up, there's very little
they can do to prove you didn't, even if they do challenge you on it, which
they won't. The same principle works with most goods really - if you're
forgetful like me it's easy to walk half-way down the street before
realising you're carrying something you didn't pay for in your hand. Of
course, I'm also an honest person and I return the goods when it happens :)
I worked in a bookshop once, and apparently the whole deal with magnetic
strips and sensors at the door is purely a deterrent, too - one of the
managers told me that even if a customer has a book *with* a magnetic strip
that sets the beepers off, unless they were actually seen picking the book
up and followed continuously from that moment until they left the shop, you
can't prove they stole it. IANAL, however...
Danny
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13 Nov 2003 08:28:51 PM |
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ALSO SPRACH Danny Kodicek:
"Joe Cosby" <joecosby@SPAMBLOCKmindspring.com> wrote in message
news:m187rvkrceguna0k197261bmshlk4d66iv@4ax.com...
ALSO SPRACH Reverend Vertigo:
how do you shoplift a newspaper?
It's too big to stick in your pocket.
Easy - I've done it a few times myself completely by accident. You simply
forget you didn't buy it there and carry it out confidently. You could have
bought it anywhere - and unless they saw you pick it up, there's very little
they can do to prove you didn't, even if they do challenge you on it, which
they won't. The same principle works with most goods really - if you're
forgetful like me it's easy to walk half-way down the street before
realising you're carrying something you didn't pay for in your hand. Of
course, I'm also an honest person and I return the goods when it happens :)
I worked in a bookshop once, and apparently the whole deal with magnetic
strips and sensors at the door is purely a deterrent, too - one of the
managers told me that even if a customer has a book *with* a magnetic strip
that sets the beepers off, unless they were actually seen picking the book
up and followed continuously from that moment until they left the shop, you
can't prove they stole it. IANAL, however...
Actually I used to do that on purpose when I was still too young to be
prosecuted as an adult.
I remember when I had the epiphany that if you just walked out like
everything was normal, why would anybody think twice about it? I was
stealing stuff I didn't even want because it just blew my mind how
easy it was.
Danny
--
Joe Cosby
http://joecosby.home.mindspring.com
There are three kinds of lies: Lies, Damned Lies, and Statistics.
-- Benjamin Disraeli
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13 Nov 2003 04:35:45 PM |
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Danny Kodicek <dragon@well-spring.co.uk> wrote in alt.atheism
The same principle works with most goods really - if you're
forgetful like me it's easy to walk half-way down the street before
realising you're carrying something you didn't pay for in your hand.
Are you serious? I've never done that in all my 43 years.
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Elroy Willis
EAP Chief Editor and Newshound
http://web2.airmail.net/~elo/news
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13 Nov 2003 04:32:14 PM |
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Joe Cosby <joecosby@SPAMBLOCKmindspring.com> wrote in alt.atheism
how do you shoplift a newspaper?
It's too big to stick in your pocket.
I saw a hidden video of a woman shoplifting a 15-pound frozen turkey
once. She put it in between her legs underneath her tutu and tried to
waddle out of the store, no kidding. It fell out when she was near
the exit and needless to say she got busted.
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Elroy Willis
EAP Chief Editor and Newshound
http://web2.airmail.net/~elo/news
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| User: "Joe Cosby" |
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13 Nov 2003 08:31:05 PM |
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ALSO SPRACH Elroy Willis:
Joe Cosby <joecosby@SPAMBLOCKmindspring.com> wrote in alt.atheism
how do you shoplift a newspaper?
It's too big to stick in your pocket.
I saw a hidden video of a woman shoplifting a 15-pound frozen turkey
once. She put it in between her legs underneath her tutu and tried to
waddle out of the store, no kidding. It fell out when she was near
the exit and needless to say she got busted.
Well, they -assumed- she was trying to steal it.
I mean, I don't see anything strange about somebody applying a
15-pound improvised ice pack to their snatch and then forgetting they
had it there. Sort of thing you see all the time.
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Joe Cosby
http://joecosby.home.mindspring.com
"When Life gives you lemons
you blow those lemons to bits with your laser cannons!"
- Brak
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| User: "Matt Giwer" |
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15 Nov 2003 09:13:16 PM |
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Elroy Willis wrote:
Joe Cosby <joecosby@SPAMBLOCKmindspring.com> wrote in alt.atheism
how do you shoplift a newspaper?
It's too big to stick in your pocket.
I saw a hidden video of a woman shoplifting a 15-pound frozen turkey
once. She put it in between her legs underneath her tutu and tried to
waddle out of the store, no kidding. It fell out when she was near
the exit and needless to say she got busted.
Without an attempt to conceal you can't get to first base with an intent to steal.
--
Anyone who remembers when Nancy Reagan formally announced
her husband's condition and who knows anything about the
progress of Altzheimer's knows he was incompetant while
in office. Why the pretense of a public secret?
-- The Iron Webmaster, 2916
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| User: "Elroy Willis" |
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16 Nov 2003 02:39:44 PM |
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Matt Giwer <jull43@tampabay.rr.com> wrote in alt.atheism
Elroy Willis wrote:
Joe Cosby wrote in alt.atheism
how do you shoplift a newspaper?
It's too big to stick in your pocket.
I saw a hidden video of a woman shoplifting a 15-pound frozen turkey
once. She put it in between her legs underneath her tutu and tried to
waddle out of the store, no kidding. It fell out when she was near
the exit and needless to say she got busted.
Without an attempt to conceal you can't get to first base with an intent
to steal.
So going to a news stand, picking up a paper while you're reading it
and forgetting to pay for the paper is excusable?
"I got so caught up in the front page story that I just wandered off
without paying for the paper!"
How well would that defense stand up in some court of law?
Hmm... I don't personally think it would stand up very well...
--
Elroy Willis
EAP Chief Editor and Newshound
http://web2.airmail.net/~elo/news
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| User: "nenslo" |
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17 Nov 2003 12:04:15 AM |
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Elroy Willis wrote:
Matt Giwer <jull43@tampabay.rr.com> wrote in alt.atheism
Elroy Willis wrote:
Joe Cosby wrote in alt.atheism
how do you shoplift a newspaper?
It's too big to stick in your pocket.
I saw a hidden video of a woman shoplifting a 15-pound frozen turkey
once. She put it in between her legs underneath her tutu and tried to
waddle out of the store, no kidding. It fell out when she was near
the exit and needless to say she got busted.
Without an attempt to conceal you can't get to first base with an intent
to steal.
So going to a news stand, picking up a paper while you're reading it
and forgetting to pay for the paper is excusable?
"I got so caught up in the front page story that I just wandered off
without paying for the paper!"
How well would that defense stand up in some court of law?
Hmm... I don't personally think it would stand up very well...
I wonder what court of law tries NEWSPAPER THEFT CASES.
The DUMBASS COURT???
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| User: "Reverend Vertigo" |
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17 Nov 2003 12:01:43 AM |
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nenslo wrote:
Elroy Willis wrote:
Matt Giwer <jull43@tampabay.rr.com> wrote in alt.atheism
Elroy Willis wrote:
Joe Cosby wrote in alt.atheism
how do you shoplift a newspaper?
It's too big to stick in your pocket.
I saw a hidden video of a woman shoplifting a 15-pound frozen turkey
once. She put it in between her legs underneath her tutu and tried to
waddle out of the store, no kidding. It fell out when she was near
the exit and needless to say she got busted.
Without an attempt to conceal you can't get to first base with an intent
to steal.
So going to a news stand, picking up a paper while you're reading it
and forgetting to pay for the paper is excusable?
"I got so caught up in the front page story that I just wandered off
without paying for the paper!"
How well would that defense stand up in some court of law?
Hmm... I don't personally think it would stand up very well...
I wonder what court of law tries NEWSPAPER THEFT CASES.
The DUMBASS COURT???
The PEOPLE'S COURT. [dum dum dum - bum dum bum dum dum]
--
Dean for America
http://www.deanforamerica.com
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| User: "Matt Giwer" |
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16 Nov 2003 04:49:22 PM |
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Elroy Willis wrote:
Matt Giwer <jull43@tampabay.rr.com> wrote in alt.atheism
Elroy Willis wrote:
Joe Cosby wrote in alt.atheism
how do you shoplift a newspaper?
It's too big to stick in your pocket.
I saw a hidden video of a woman shoplifting a 15-pound frozen turkey
once. She put it in between her legs underneath her tutu and tried to
waddle out of the store, no kidding. It fell out when she was near
the exit and needless to say she got busted.
Without an attempt to conceal you can't get to first base with an intent
to steal.
So going to a news stand, picking up a paper while you're reading it
and forgetting to pay for the paper is excusable?
Forgetfulness needs be excused? It happens.
"I got so caught up in the front page story that I just wandered off
without paying for the paper!"
How well would that defense stand up in some court of law?
Hmm... I don't personally think it would stand up very well...
If you actually deal with street vendors you will notice half the job is making certain
that doesn't happen. But when challenged, the person apologizes and pays for it. No intent
can be shown.
--
AIPAC is the first political action committee since the
communist party to openly support the government of a
foreign country.
-- The Iron Webmaster, 2924
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| User: "Reverend Vertigo" |
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13 Nov 2003 09:33:26 AM |
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Joe Cosby wrote:
ALSO SPRACH Reverend Vertigo:
Elroy Willis wrote:
Reverend Vertigo <jhobbs@myrealbox.com> wrote in alt.atheism
SDG&E wrote:
Elroy Willis <elo@airmail.net> wrote in message
frice@skeptictank.org (Fredric L. Rice) wrote in alt.atheism
He returned to Galveston and was arrested. He posted bail and fled, and
was captured six weeks later in Pennsylvania when he was caught trying to
steal a $5 sandwich and bandages while he had $500 in his pocket.
Winona Ryder syndrome?
Winona, hell! A *five_dollar_sandwich*!???!
Must be one *gooooood sandwich!
I thought that at first myself, but then decided they must have meant "a
sandwich and bandages totaling $5 retail value."
What's so strange about a $5 sandwich?
Nothing at all, if you sit down at a diner or restaurant or bar, and it's
brought out to you on an actual plate by a surly middle-aged broad who's
carrying 10 pounds for each of her years on the earth, or a
bubblegum-chewing bubble-headed 18-year-old eye-candy bimbette.
But $5 for one of those funky-tasting shrink-wrapped jobs from a gas
station's refrigerator case seems a little steep.
Actually, 30 seconds of Google research uncovers:
- the $500 was indeed in cash and not a traveler's check
- the bidness he shoplifted from was a supermarket
- the $5 worth of items included:
- the sandwich in question
- a newspaper
- a box of Band-Aids
Off the top of my head, a shrink-wrapped sandwich from a supermarket runs
about $2.29 in my town. The leading newspaper asks 50 cents for their
weekday edition, and a box of Band-Aids is $1.79.
Prices (and wages) here are a good bit below the national average, so $5 for
all those goodies is probably about right.
Man, I'm bored.
how do you shoplift a newspaper?
It's too big to stick in your pocket.
Roll it up, stash it lengthwise under the jacket, and hold the top of it
with your armpit.
Or so I'm told.
--
Dean for America
http://www.deanforamerica.com
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| User: "Matt Giwer" |
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15 Nov 2003 09:05:55 PM |
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Joe Cosby wrote:
how do you shoplift a newspaper?
It's too big to stick in your pocket.
Put it under your arm and fake a cellphone call. Shout into it to distract anyone
watching you. If stopped, apologize profusely and blame your ex-wife on the phone.
--
No nation has an unqualified right to exist.
Not even Israel.
-- The Iron Webmaster, 2921
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| User: "Elroy Willis" |
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13 Nov 2003 06:38:48 PM |
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Reverend Vertigo <jhobbs@myrealbox.com> wrote in alt.atheism
Elroy Willis wrote:
Reverend Vertigo <jhobbs@myrealbox.com> wrote in alt.atheism
SDG&E wrote:
Elroy Willis <elo@airmail.net> wrote in message
frice@skeptictank.org (Fredric L. Rice) wrote in alt.atheism
He returned to Galveston and was arrested. He posted bail and fled,
and was captured six weeks later in Pennsylvania when he was caught
trying to steal a $5 sandwich and bandages while he had $500 in his
pocket.
Winona Ryder syndrome?
Winona, hell! A *five_dollar_sandwich*!???!
Must be one *gooooood sandwich!
I thought that at first myself, but then decided they must have meant "a
sandwich and bandages totaling $5 retail value."
What's so strange about a $5 sandwich?
Nothing at all, if you sit down at a diner or restaurant or bar, and it's
brought out to you on an actual plate by a surly middle-aged broad who's
carrying 10 pounds for each of her years on the earth, or a
bubblegum-chewing bubble-headed 18-year-old eye-candy bimbette.
But $5 for one of those funky-tasting shrink-wrapped jobs from a gas
station's refrigerator case seems a little steep.
I agree it's a little high for one of those type sandwiches, no matter
where you might live.
Actually, 30 seconds of Google research uncovers:
- the $500 was indeed in cash and not a traveler's check
- the bidness he shoplifted from was a supermarket
- the $5 worth of items included:
- the sandwich in question
- a newspaper
- a box of Band-Aids
Off the top of my head, a shrink-wrapped sandwich from a supermarket runs
about $2.29 in my town. The leading newspaper asks 50 cents for their
weekday edition, and a box of Band-Aids is $1.79.
Prices (and wages) here are a good bit below the national average, so $5 for
all those goodies is probably about right.
Man, I'm bored.
Careful, boredom can be catchy...
--
Elroy Willis
EAP Chief Editor and Newshound
http://web2.airmail.net/~elo/news
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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13 Nov 2003 09:12:42 AM |
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In article <ql57rv4e1j6bps9ajm1fnneb07q4910spj@4ax.com>, Elroy Willis says...
Reverend Vertigo <jhobbs@myrealbox.com> wrote in alt.atheism
SDG&E wrote:
Elroy Willis <elo@airmail.net> wrote in message
frice@skeptictank.org (Fredric L. Rice) wrote in alt.atheism
He returned to Galveston and was arrested. He posted bail and fled, and
was captured six weeks later in Pennsylvania when he was caught trying to
steal a $5 sandwich and bandages while he had $500 in his pocket.
Winona Ryder syndrome?
Winona, hell! A *five_dollar_sandwich*!???!
Must be one *gooooood sandwich!
I thought that at first myself, but then decided they must have meant "a
sandwich and bandages totaling $5 retail value."
What's so strange about a $5 sandwich?
Seriously - there are deli's in my area that charge a heck of a lot more than
that for a sandwich.
EAP Chief Editor and Newshound
http://web2.airmail.net/~elo/news
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo & EAC Spellcaster
#1557
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