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"Fredric L. Rice" |
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15 Nov 2005 03:33:52 AM |
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Rectum Santorum swings left |
This is highly amusing. Now that he knows he's going to get his
frocking cultist extremist ***** kicked out of office next year, he's
trying to turn things around by flip-flopping, trying to get the
rational vote enough to survive.
-=-
From The Allegheney Times (Pa.), 11/13/05:
http://www.timesonline.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=15568651&BRD=2305&PAG=461&dept_id=478569&rfi=6
Santorum: Don't put intelligent design in classroom
Bill Vidonic - Times Staff
BEAVER FALLS -
U.S. Sen. Rick Santorum said Saturday that he doesn't believe that
intelligent design belongs in the science classroom.
Santorum's comments to The Times are a shift from his position of
several years ago, when he wrote in a Washington Times editorial that
intelligent design is a "legitimate scientific theory that should be
taught in the classroom."
But on Saturday, the Republican said that, "Science leads you where it
leads you."
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| User: "Bear" |
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15 Nov 2005 03:48:09 AM |
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"Fredric L. Rice" wrote
: This is highly amusing. Now that he knows he's going to get his
: frocking cultist extremist ***** kicked out of office next year, he's
: trying to turn things around by flip-flopping, trying to get the
: rational vote enough to survive.
I am not commenting in whether or not your opinion is correct, but I must
ask *how* you know what his reason for changing his viewpoint might have
been?
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Bear
There but for circumstances go I.
It is the right and the duty of every person to rationally and skeptically
examine a proposition before accepting it, and if that proposition turns out
to not be supported by logic or evidence, it is the mark of a mature mind to
be able to set it aside and face life as it really is.
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| User: "Fredric L. Rice" |
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15 Nov 2005 05:33:11 AM |
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"Bear" <bigbear1wh@nativeweb.net> wrote:
"Fredric L. Rice" wrote
: This is highly amusing. Now that he knows he's going to get his
: frocking cultist extremist ***** kicked out of office next year, he's
: trying to turn things around by flip-flopping, trying to get the
: rational vote enough to survive.
I am not commenting in whether or not your opinion is correct, but I must
ask *how* you know what his reason for changing his viewpoint might have been?
Have you read about Rectum Santorum? His comments and speeches are
available on the Internet via Google searches. Take a good look at
the guy and tell me whether you think he can be rational.
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http://www.ElmerFudd.US/ http://www.rightard.org/ http://www.thedarkwind.org/
Yes, George W. Bush is a mass murdering Christian butcher. GET OVER IT!!!
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| User: "Bear" |
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15 Nov 2005 05:41:10 AM |
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"Fredric L. Rice" wrote
: "Bear" wrote:
: >"Fredric L. Rice" wrote
: >: This is highly amusing. Now that he knows he's going to get his
: >: frocking cultist extremist ***** kicked out of office next year, he's
: >: trying to turn things around by flip-flopping, trying to get the
: >: rational vote enough to survive.
: >I am not commenting in whether or not your opinion is correct, but I must
: >ask *how* you know what his reason for changing his viewpoint might have
been?
:
: Have you read about Rectum Santorum? His comments and speeches are
: available on the Internet via Google searches. Take a good look at
: the guy and tell me whether you think he can be rational.
I try not to be judgmental toward others. Notice the first phrase in my
signature.
--
Bear
There but for circumstances go I.
It is the right and the duty of every person to rationally and skeptically
examine a proposition before accepting it, and if that proposition turns out
to not be supported by logic or evidence, it is the mark of a mature mind to
be able to set it aside and face life as it really is.
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| User: "Fredric L. Rice" |
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| Title: Re: Rectum Santorum swings left |
16 Nov 2005 03:20:52 AM |
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"Bear" <bigbear1wh@nativeweb.net> wrote:
"Fredric L. Rice" wrote
: "Bear" wrote:
: >"Fredric L. Rice" wrote
: >: This is highly amusing. Now that he knows he's going to get his
: >: frocking cultist extremist ***** kicked out of office next year, he's
: >: trying to turn things around by flip-flopping, trying to get the
: >: rational vote enough to survive.
: >I am not commenting in whether or not your opinion is correct, but I must
: >ask *how* you know what his reason for changing his viewpoint might have been?
: Have you read about Rectum Santorum? His comments and speeches are
: available on the Internet via Google searches. Take a good look at
: the guy and tell me whether you think he can be rational.
I try not to be judgmental toward others.
Good grief. So you ignore what people say and do? Seriously?
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http://www.ElmerFudd.US/ http://www.rightard.org/ http://www.thedarkwind.org/
Yes, George W. Bush is a mass murdering Christian butcher. GET OVER IT!!!
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| User: "Bear" |
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16 Nov 2005 03:29:44 AM |
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"Fredric L. Rice" wrote
: Good grief. So you ignore what people say and do? Seriously?
Ignore? No!
Judge without all the facts? No!
Judging while knowing there but for circumstances go I. No!
Spew politics on the atheism newsgroup when there are political oriented
newsgroups for such stuff? No!
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Bear
There but for circumstances go I.
Being an atheist isn’t a choice or act of will — like theism; it’s a
consequence of what one knows and how one reasons.
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| User: "JTEM" |
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16 Nov 2005 07:00:01 AM |
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"Bear" <bigbear1wh@nativeweb.net> wrote
Ignore? No!
Judge without all the facts? No!
The "Facts" in this case would be the words & works of a
crazy neo-con, crazy even by lunatic right-wing standards.
Also, you were invited to do a google search on Santorum,
to edcuate yourself on the matter. Quite frankly, if you do
no have "all the facts" it is because you don't want them.
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| User: "Bear" |
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16 Nov 2005 06:52:38 AM |
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"JTEM" wrote
: The "Facts" in this case would be the words & works of a
: crazy neo-con, crazy even by lunatic right-wing standards.
The pertinent facts in this case is that he changed his position on ID.
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Bear
There but for circumstances go I.
Being an atheist isn’t a choice or act of will — like theism; it’s a
consequence of what one knows and how one reasons.
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| User: "JTEM" |
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16 Nov 2005 07:08:23 AM |
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"Bear" <bigbear1wh@nativeweb.net> wrote
The pertinent facts in this case is that he changed his position on ID.
What do you guys call that? "Flip flopping"?
But, please, demonstrate this "Change" for us.
What has he done to further the cause of religious patriots who
seek to keep religion out of the classroom?
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| User: "Bear" |
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16 Nov 2005 07:03:05 AM |
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"JTEM" wrote
: "Bear" wrote
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: > The pertinent facts in this case is that he changed his position on ID.
: But, please, demonstrate this "Change" for us.
Go to the beginning of the thread.
--
Bear
There but for circumstances go I.
Being an atheist isn’t a choice or act of will — like theism; it’s a
consequence of what one knows and how one reasons.
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| User: "JTEM" |
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16 Nov 2005 07:24:37 AM |
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"Bear" <bigbear1wh@nativeweb.net> wrote
"JTEM" wrote
: "Bear" wrote
: > The pertinent facts in this case is that he changed his position
: > on ID.
: But, please, demonstrate this "Change" for us.
Go to the beginning of the thread.
Okay. Done. Now it's your turn. Please demonstrate this
imaginary "Change." Please document for us his efforts.
Thanks in advance.
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| User: "Bear" |
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16 Nov 2005 07:24:24 AM |
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"JTEM" wrote
: Okay. Done. Now it's your turn. Please demonstrate this
: imaginary "Change."
I have to go with the report that he changed his position on ID in schools
until I see him say or vote any other way.
--
Bear
There but for circumstances go I.
Being an atheist isn’t a choice or act of will — like theism; it’s a
consequence of what one knows and how one reasons.
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| User: "wbarwell" |
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16 Nov 2005 11:22:09 PM |
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Bear wrote:
"JTEM" wrote
: The "Facts" in this case would be the words & works of a
: crazy neo-con, crazy even by lunatic right-wing standards.
The pertinent facts in this case is that he changed his position on
ID.
The pertinent facts are he claims to have changed
his position on ID.
An astronomer, a physicist and a mathematician were travelling in
Scotland. Glancing from a train window, they observed a black
sheep in the middle of a field.
"How interesting," observed the astronomer, "All Scottish sheep are
black!"
To which the physicist responded, "No, no! Some Scottish sheep are
black!"
The mathematician said, "In Scotland there exists at least one field,
containing at least one sheep, at least one side of which is black."
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"If lightning is the anger of the gods, the
gods are concerned mostly with trees."
- Lao Tse
Cheerful Charlie
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| User: "Bear" |
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16 Nov 2005 11:09:26 PM |
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"wbarwell" wrote
: The pertinent facts are he claims to have changed
: his position on ID.
And how do you know that his claim is false?
--
Bear
There but for circumstances go I.
Being an atheist isn't a choice or act of will - like theism; it's a
consequence of what one knows and how one reasons.
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| User: "Fredric L. Rice" |
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16 Nov 2005 05:34:16 AM |
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"Bear" <bigbear1wh@nativeweb.net> wrote:
"Fredric L. Rice" wrote
: Good grief. So you ignore what people say and do? Seriously?
Ignore? No! Judge without all the facts? No!
You cut the text for some obvious reason. The Christofascist's
actions and words underscore what Rectum Santorum stands for --
that's the facts. Trying to pretend that recognizing the insane
kook's own words and actions is some how "judging" him is...
well it's about as insane and stupid as he is.
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http://www.ElmerFudd.US/ http://www.rightard.org/ http://www.thedarkwind.org/
Yes, George W. Bush is a mass murdering Christian butcher. GET OVER IT!!!
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| User: "Bear" |
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16 Nov 2005 06:07:05 AM |
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"Fredric L. Rice" wrote
: You cut the text for some obvious reason. The Christofascist's
: actions and words underscore what Rectum Santorum stands for --
: that's the facts. Trying to pretend that recognizing the insane
: kook's own words and actions is some how "judging" him is...
: well it's about as insane and stupid as he is.
Actually, assuming that you understand another man's thoughts and motives is
about as insane and stupid as one can be. Personally, I'm just glad that he
changed his position on ID.
--
Bear
There but for circumstances go I.
Being an atheist isn’t a choice or act of will — like theism; it’s a
consequence of what one knows and how one reasons.
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| User: "JTEM" |
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16 Nov 2005 07:02:31 AM |
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"Bear" <bigbear1wh@nativeweb.net> wrote
Personally, I'm just glad that he changed his position on ID.
Tell us again how much you respected John Kerry for speaking
up after he saw what Bush did with the authority he (and the
rest of congress) voted for him.
As for politicians "Changing their minds," you whack-jobs
have a word for that. Heck, you've got two words. "Flip flopper."
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| User: "Bear" |
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16 Nov 2005 07:01:55 AM |
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"JTEM" wrote
: "Bear" wrote
: > Personally, I'm just glad that he changed his position on ID.
:
: Tell us again how much you respected John Kerry for speaking
: up after he saw what Bush did with the authority he (and the
: rest of congress) voted for him.
"Tell us again"? When did I "tell" you any such thing? Are you making things
up now?
: As for politicians "Changing their minds," you whack-jobs
: have a word for that. Heck, you've got two words. "Flip flopper."
I see, you are a stereotyper. You can't see the forest for the trees. If you
would think for a minute, you would understand that appreciating the fact
that another politician thinks ID doesn't belong in schools is not the same
as defending that politician.
--
Bear
There but for circumstances go I.
Being an atheist isn’t a choice or act of will — like theism; it’s a
consequence of what one knows and how one reasons.
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| User: "JTEM" |
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16 Nov 2005 07:23:06 AM |
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"Bear" <bigbear1wh@nativeweb.net> wrote
"JTEM" wrote
: "Bear" wrote
: > Personally, I'm just glad that he changed his position on ID.
:
: Tell us again how much you respected John Kerry for speaking
: up after he saw what Bush did with the authority he (and the
: rest of congress) voted for him.
"Tell us again"? When did I "tell" you any such thing? Are you making
things
up now?
So you have a double standard, huh?
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| User: "Bear" |
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16 Nov 2005 07:22:23 AM |
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"JTEM" wrote
: So you have a double standard, huh?
No, I take everything on an individual basis. Nobody is perfect and nobody
does right or wrong all the time.
--
Bear
There but for circumstances go I.
Being an atheist isn’t a choice or act of will — like theism; it’s a
consequence of what one knows and how one reasons.
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| User: "JTEM" |
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18 Nov 2005 11:40:35 AM |
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"Bear" <bigbear1wh@nativeweb.net> wrote
No, I take everything on an individual basis.
That's a lie. What you're doing here is evaluating a claim
in isolation. You've literally isolated a claim from the man
who has made it, his entire professional career.
Nobody is perfect and nobody does right or wrong all
the time.
You, for example. Now. Viewing a claim in total isolation,
completely divorcing it from the man. That's wrong.
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| User: "Bear" |
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18 Nov 2005 11:37:52 AM |
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"JTEM" wrote
: "Bear" wrote
: > No, I take everything on an individual basis.
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: That's a lie. What you're doing here is evaluating a claim
: in isolation. You've literally isolated a claim from the man
: who has made it, his entire professional career.
:
: > Nobody is perfect and nobody does right or wrong all
: > the time.
:
: You, for example. Now. Viewing a claim in total isolation,
: completely divorcing it from the man. That's wrong.
*****! I haven't even reached a conclusion on it yet! When I do reach a
conclusion it will be based on all the available facts that I can find. You
are the one that is lying. You jump to conclusions just because of your
prejudices; without getting all the facts!
--
Bear
There but for circumstances go I.
Being an atheist isn’t a choice or act of will — like theism; it’s a
consequence of what one knows and how one reasons.
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| User: "Fredric L. Rice" |
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19 Nov 2005 02:36:58 AM |
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"Bear" <bigbear1wh@nativeweb.net> wrote:
"JTEM" wrote
: "Bear" wrote
:> No, I take everything on an individual basis.
: That's a lie. What you're doing here is evaluating a claim
: in isolation. You've literally isolated a claim from the man
: who has made it, his entire professional career.
:> Nobody is perfect and nobody does right or wrong all
:> the time.
: You, for example. Now. Viewing a claim in total isolation,
: completely divorcing it from the man. That's wrong.
*****! I haven't even reached a conclusion on it yet!
Didn't you say something moronic like "Judge not least ye be judged?"
That certainly means you've decided to ignore Rectum Santorum's every
action and spoken word that shows what he is and what he stands for.
Now Rectum Santorum is saying things that contradict his entire
history -- and for some reason you want to ignore that.
Why?
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http://www.ElmerFudd.US/ http://www.rightard.org/ http://www.thedarkwind.org/
"We're going to sue your *****, AND your balls!" -- Scientology's leader
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| User: "Bear" |
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19 Nov 2005 02:49:41 AM |
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"Fredric L. Rice" wrote
: "Bear" wrote:
: >"JTEM" wrote
: >: "Bear" wrote
: >:> No, I take everything on an individual basis.
: >: That's a lie. What you're doing here is evaluating a claim
: >: in isolation. You've literally isolated a claim from the man
: >: who has made it, his entire professional career.
: >:> Nobody is perfect and nobody does right or wrong all
: >:> the time.
: >: You, for example. Now. Viewing a claim in total isolation,
: >: completely divorcing it from the man. That's wrong.
: >*****! I haven't even reached a conclusion on it yet!
:
: Didn't you say something moronic like "Judge not least ye be judged?"
Did I?
: That certainly means you've decided to ignore Rectum Santorum's every
: action and spoken word that shows what he is and what he stands for.
*****! I have not reached any conclusion yet. When I do *all* facts,
including Santorum's every action and spoken word will have been taken into
consideration.
: Now Rectum Santorum is saying things that contradict his entire
: history -- and for some reason you want to ignore that.
I'm not ignoring anything. I am not jumping to conclusions without
considering *all* the pertinent facts.
: Why?
Because you have distorted my position as a rational thinker who considers
*all* the facts. You are not a rational thinker; you are as much of a bigot
as your so-called Chrisofascists.
--
Bear
There but for circumstances go I.
Being an atheist isn’t a choice or act of will — like theism; it’s a
consequence of what one knows and how one reasons.
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| User: "Fredric L. Rice" |
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19 Nov 2005 05:42:01 PM |
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"Bear" <bigbear1wh@nativeweb.net> wrote:
"Fredric L. Rice" wrote
: "Bear" wrote:
: >"JTEM" wrote
: >: "Bear" wrote
: >:> No, I take everything on an individual basis.
: >: That's a lie. What you're doing here is evaluating a claim
: >: in isolation. You've literally isolated a claim from the man
: >: who has made it, his entire professional career.
: >:> Nobody is perfect and nobody does right or wrong all
: >:> the time.
: >: You, for example. Now. Viewing a claim in total isolation,
: >: completely divorcing it from the man. That's wrong.
: >*****! I haven't even reached a conclusion on it yet!
: Didn't you say something moronic like "Judge not least ye be judged?"
Did I?
Good fucking grief. The idiot has a memory span of a Republican.
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http://www.ElmerFudd.US/ http://www.rightard.org/ http://www.thedarkwind.org/
"We're going to sue your *****, AND your balls!" -- Scientology's leader
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| User: "Bear" |
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19 Nov 2005 05:48:30 PM |
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"Fredric L. Rice" wrote
: "Bear" wrote:
: >"Fredric L. Rice" wrote
: >: "Bear" wrote:
: >: >"JTEM" wrote
: >: >: "Bear" wrote
: >: >:> No, I take everything on an individual basis.
: >: >: That's a lie. What you're doing here is evaluating a claim
: >: >: in isolation. You've literally isolated a claim from the man
: >: >: who has made it, his entire professional career.
: >: >:> Nobody is perfect and nobody does right or wrong all
: >: >:> the time.
: >: >: You, for example. Now. Viewing a claim in total isolation,
: >: >: completely divorcing it from the man. That's wrong.
: >: >*****! I haven't even reached a conclusion on it yet!
: >: Didn't you say something moronic like "Judge not least ye be judged?"
: >Did I?
:
: Good fucking grief. The idiot has a memory span of a Republican.
I didn't say anything like what you suggested. You twisted the meaning of
what I said to suit your agenda!
--
Bear
There but for circumstances go I.
Being an atheist isn’t a choice or act of will — like theism; it’s a
consequence of what one knows and how one reasons.
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| User: "towelie" |
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16 Nov 2005 02:24:31 PM |
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TV's Bear wrote:
"JTEM" wrote
: So you have a double standard, huh?
No, I take everything on an individual basis. Nobody is perfect and
nobody does right or wrong all the time.
But when a certain individual has a history of being a hate-filled,
science-fearing fundamentalist, and they suddenly change their mind because
it is convenient to, I'm going to be very, very skeptical.
Maybe you're not a skeptic.
--
aa #2133
ap #19
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| User: "Bear" |
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16 Nov 2005 04:02:56 PM |
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"towelie" wrote
: But when a certain individual has a history of being a hate-filled,
: science-fearing fundamentalist, and they suddenly change their mind
because
: it is convenient to, I'm going to be very, very skeptical.
Of course, but a skeptic would not completely discount it without being
rational.
--
Bear
There but for circumstances go I.
Being an atheist isn’t a choice or act of will — like theism; it’s a
consequence of what one knows and how one reasons.
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| User: "towelie" |
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16 Nov 2005 04:26:31 PM |
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TV's Bear wrote:
"towelie" wrote
: But when a certain individual has a history of being a hate-filled,
: science-fearing fundamentalist, and they suddenly change their mind
: because it is convenient to, I'm going to be very, very skeptical.
Of course, but a skeptic would not completely discount it without being
rational.
A skeptic would discount anything that all evidence points towards being
false.
--
aa #2133
ap #19
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| User: "Bear" |
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16 Nov 2005 04:42:11 PM |
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"towelie" wrote
: Bear wrote:
: > "towelie" wrote
: > : But when a certain individual has a history of being a hate-filled,
: > : science-fearing fundamentalist, and they suddenly change their mind
: > : because it is convenient to, I'm going to be very, very skeptical.
: >
: > Of course, but a skeptic would not completely discount it without being
: > rational.
:
: A skeptic would discount anything that all evidence points towards being
: false.
"All" being the keyword there! You are denying his change in position
concerning ID in schools without "all" the evidence, only taking into
evidence what you have seen so for. Your conclusion is premature.
--
Bear
There but for circumstances go I.
Being an atheist isn’t a choice or act of will — like theism; it’s a
consequence of what one knows and how one reasons.
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| User: "towelie" |
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16 Nov 2005 05:07:56 PM |
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TV's Bear wrote:
"towelie" wrote
: Bear wrote:
: > "towelie" wrote
: > : But when a certain individual has a history of being a hate-filled,
: > : science-fearing fundamentalist, and they suddenly change their mind
: > : because it is convenient to, I'm going to be very, very skeptical.
: >
: > Of course, but a skeptic would not completely discount it without
: > being rational.
:
: A skeptic would discount anything that all evidence points towards
: being false.
"All" being the keyword there! You are denying his change in position
concerning ID in schools without "all" the evidence, only taking into
evidence what you have seen so for. Your conclusion is premature.
And your conclusion is terribly naive.
--
aa #2133
ap #19
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