Religions > Atheism > Red Cross and Salvation Army blocked by Louisiana state officials
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"Fred Stone" |
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Red Cross and Salvation Army blocked by Louisiana state officials |
http://www.radioblogger.com/#000970
Major Garrett updates us on the Red Cross AND the Salvation Army being
blocked from helping by Louisiana state officials
HH: Making an encore appearance, and we're very grateful for it, Major
Garrett of Fox News Channel. Major, you certainly made waves yesterday.
Perhaps the most reported story in America was yours. You followed up on
it tonight. What has your investigation into the Red Cross relationship
with the Louisiana Department of Homeland Security revealed today?
MG: A couple of things. First of all, it established on tonight's
Special Report, that it wasn't just the Red Cross. It was the Salvation
Army. Both agencies, both organizations were ready, prepared, pre-
positioned, eager, but were thwarted in their efforts to bring supplies,
basic supplies...not everything these people needed, but core supplies
to the Superdome, and then eventually, the convention center. Why?
Because the New Orleans Department of Homeland Security said look. Our
plan is to evacuate these people. Marty Evans, the President and the CEO
of the American Red Cross, said on camera...you don't have to believe
me. Believe her. You can read her own eyes, saying look. We were told if
we came in, we would create an atmosphere that would lead people to
stay, and give them the feeling that they should stay. And the state did
not want that.
HH: Now you said the New Orleans Department of Homeland Security. Did
you mean the Louisiana Department...
MG: I'm sorry. Yes. Louisiana. Right. Because it is a state agency that
is answerable to the governor, although the governor did not explicitly
make this statement, I'm told so far.
HH: Who made this decision?
MG: I've also asked the Red Cross to create for me, and they've promised
to do so, a timeline and a paper trail.
HH: Oh, very good.
MG: Now, they are a bit...they're very eager to put together the
timeline. They're a little bit more reluctant about the paper trail,
because as they've told me, look. We expect all this stuff to be
subpoenaed by Congress very soon. I said well, that's probably true, but
that doesn't mean I shouldn't be able to get it.
HH: Exactly.
MG: They said yeah, but look. The issue here, Hugh, is the Red Cross
knows it's going to have to deal with Louisiana the next time around.
And the next time around. And they're always trying to avoid the
appearance of sticking it to somebody, if the political leader in charge
feels as if the Red Cross is sticking it to them. So they feel that
they're in a bit of a tenuous place.
HH: On the other hand, Major Garrett, they're a quasi-public agency,
depending upon the good will of the public for their donations.
MG: Right.
HH: I think the public wants to know.
MG: And I said look. You guys had no problem posting this on your own
website. So I just think it's a matter...I said you know, if you want to
give it to me, and then put it on your website, that's fine. But just
make sure I'm in the loop, because I want to know who said what to whom.
And if that's written down anywhere, the public should see it.
HH: And what did the Salvation Army tell you?
MG: The Salvation Army basically said look. We...first of all, both
agencies also want to let people know that they've served the needs of
thousands of people who got out, and who got out just a little bit to
high ground, north of New Orleans. But they couldn't get in to meet
those needs. They asked to get in. They were prepared with their...the
Salvation Army has these ever-familiar portable kitchen canteens, is
what they call them. They can actually make food, produce food on spot,
and distribute it there. People line up. We've seen that at hurricanes
and other natural disasters. They were ready. Not allowed in. At first,
it was this idea that we don't want to create a magnet at the evacuation
site. Secondarily, it became an issue of well, there's lots of water,
and we can't assure your safety, so on and so forth. Here's another key
point, Hugh. I was very specific with the American Red Cross, president
and CEO Marty Evans, and said wait. Tell me clearly. Were you prepared
to go in before the levees broke? Before water became an issue of any
kind? She said absolutely. Were you denied access before the levees
broke? She said we were denied access from minute one.
HH: And did they attempt to renew their request to get in after the
levees broke, Major Garrett?
MG: Yes. I am told that the timeline indicates a frequent reasking of
this question.
HH: And a frequent denial by Louisiana state Department of Homeland
Security?
MG: Right. Because as we discussed last night, their system was this is
the shelter of last resort. It is an evacuation site, not a services
site. And today, in Louisiana, the Louisiana National Guard said look.
Here we were. We had four hundred Louisiana National Guard soldiers at
the Superdome. Let's do the math here, Hugh. Four hundred National Guard
soldiers coping with thirty thousand evacuees.
[read the whole thing]
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
I think if we had a three-word message right now it’d be, ‘We can do
better.’
- Howard Dean
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| User: "Dale" |
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| Title: Re: Red Cross and Salvation Army blocked by Louisiana state officials |
09 Sep 2005 04:46:20 AM |
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"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in message
news:1126236477.6590ad3d458df97f9bcbf6b254567f12@teranews...
http://www.radioblogger.com/#000970
Major Garrett updates us on the Red Cross AND the Salvation Army being
blocked from helping by Louisiana state officials
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MG:
Because the New Orleans Department of Homeland Security said look.
...You can read her own eyes, saying look.
...because as they've told me, look.
...They said yeah, but look.
...And I said look.
...The Salvation Army basically said look.
...And today, in Louisiana, the Louisiana National Guard said look.
Really a strange way of talking.
But aside from that, it seems more and more like it was the Department of
Homeland Security that screwed up the most. Or maybe it's the presence of
Homeland Security that screwed things up. An new, unfamiliar, untested layer
of bureaucracy mucking up the works.
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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| Title: Re: Red Cross and Salvation Army blocked by Louisiana state officials |
09 Sep 2005 01:22:03 PM |
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"Dale" <dmgreer@nspm.airmail.net> wrote in
news:ws8Ue.2924$I7.1771@newssvr25.news.prodigy.net:
"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in message
news:1126236477.6590ad3d458df97f9bcbf6b254567f12@teranews...
http://www.radioblogger.com/#000970
Major Garrett updates us on the Red Cross AND the Salvation Army
being blocked from helping by Louisiana state officials
[...]
MG:
Because the New Orleans Department of Homeland Security said look.
...You can read her own eyes, saying look.
...because as they've told me, look.
...They said yeah, but look.
...And I said look.
...The Salvation Army basically said look.
...And today, in Louisiana, the Louisiana National Guard said look.
Really a strange way of talking.
But aside from that, it seems more and more like it was the Department
of Homeland Security that screwed up the most.
Yes, the *Louisiana* State DHS, which is *not* part of the *Federal*
DHS.
Or maybe it's the
presence of Homeland Security that screwed things up. An new,
unfamiliar, untested layer of bureaucracy mucking up the works.
Or maybe just a new, untested bureaucratic governor afraid to make a
decision without covering her ***** first.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
I think if we had a three-word message right now it’d be, ‘We can do
better.’
- Howard Dean
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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| Title: Re: Red Cross and Salvation Army blocked by Louisiana state officials |
09 Sep 2005 12:42:15 PM |
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In <ws8Ue.2924$I7.1771@newssvr25.news.prodigy.net>, "Dale"
<dmgreer@nspm.airmail.net> wrote:
"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in message
news:1126236477.6590ad3d458df97f9bcbf6b254567f12@teranews...
http://www.radioblogger.com/#000970
Major Garrett updates us on the Red Cross AND the Salvation Army being
blocked from helping by Louisiana state officials
[...]
MG:
Because the New Orleans Department of Homeland Security said look.
...You can read her own eyes, saying look. ...because as they've told
me, look.
...They said yeah, but look.
...And I said look.
...The Salvation Army basically said look. ...And today, in Louisiana,
the Louisiana National Guard said look.
Really a strange way of talking.
But aside from that, it seems more and more like it was the Department of
Homeland Security that screwed up the most. Or maybe it's the presence of
Homeland Security that screwed things up. An new, unfamiliar, untested
layer of bureaucracy mucking up the works.
The state is asking the volunteer, civilian groups such as the Red Cross
and Salvation Army to be set up to receive people outside the city as it's
too dangerous in the city to put well meaning volunteers at risk.
Apparently our big, bad, superpower federal government hiked its skirt and
ran around for days saying how dangerous it was and how inaccessible the
city was but the right wing expects Red Cross volunteers to wade through
the waters the feds "couldn't" deal with for days...
--
Mark K. Bilbo
--------------------------------------------------
"We're angry, Mr. President, and we'll be angry long
after our beloved city and surrounding parishes have
been pumped dry. Our people deserved rescuing.
Many who could have been were not. That's to the
government's shame."
http://makeashorterlink.com/?F2D511CBB
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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| Title: Re: Red Cross and Salvation Army blocked by Louisiana state officials |
09 Sep 2005 01:51:24 PM |
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"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in
news:quKdnfk8x4aDHrzeRVn-sQ@megapath.net:
In <ws8Ue.2924$I7.1771@newssvr25.news.prodigy.net>, "Dale"
<dmgreer@nspm.airmail.net> wrote:
"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in message
news:1126236477.6590ad3d458df97f9bcbf6b254567f12@teranews...
http://www.radioblogger.com/#000970
Major Garrett updates us on the Red Cross AND the Salvation Army
being blocked from helping by Louisiana state officials
[...]
MG:
Because the New Orleans Department of Homeland Security said look.
...You can read her own eyes, saying look. ...because as they've
told me, look.
...They said yeah, but look.
...And I said look.
...The Salvation Army basically said look. ...And today, in
Louisiana, the Louisiana National Guard said look.
Really a strange way of talking.
But aside from that, it seems more and more like it was the
Department of Homeland Security that screwed up the most. Or maybe
it's the presence of Homeland Security that screwed things up. An
new, unfamiliar, untested layer of bureaucracy mucking up the works.
The state is asking the volunteer, civilian groups such as the Red
Cross and Salvation Army to be set up to receive people outside the
city as it's too dangerous in the city to put well meaning volunteers
at risk.
The reason they gave was that they didn't want to attract people to the
Superdome or make it so that they wouldn't want to move out later.
Apparently our big, bad, superpower federal government hiked its skirt
and ran around for days saying how dangerous it was and how
inaccessible the city was but the right wing expects Red Cross
volunteers to wade through the waters the feds "couldn't" deal with
for days...
And yet another disconnect from the left. Was it dangerous or not, Mark?
Yes or no? Too flooded *before* the major flooding started?
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
I think if we had a three-word message right now it’d be, ‘We can do
better.’
- Howard Dean
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| User: "Denis Loubet" |
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| Title: Re: Red Cross and Salvation Army blocked by Louisiana state officials |
09 Sep 2005 07:35:21 AM |
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"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in message
news:1126236477.6590ad3d458df97f9bcbf6b254567f12@teranews...
http://www.radioblogger.com/#000970
Major Garrett updates us on the Red Cross AND the Salvation Army being
blocked from helping by Louisiana state officials
By Louisiana Homeland Security.
Who's idea was Homeland Security again?
--
Denis Loubet
dloubet@io.com
http://www.io.com/~dloubet
http://www.ashenempires.com
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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| Title: Re: Red Cross and Salvation Army blocked by Louisiana state officials |
09 Sep 2005 01:37:03 PM |
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"Denis Loubet" <dloubet@io.com> wrote in
news:0aCdnSpJa-ojp7zeRVn-pQ@io.com:
"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in message
news:1126236477.6590ad3d458df97f9bcbf6b254567f12@teranews...
http://www.radioblogger.com/#000970
Major Garrett updates us on the Red Cross AND the Salvation Army
being blocked from helping by Louisiana state officials
By Louisiana Homeland Security.
Who's idea was Homeland Security again?
There is no connection between the state Homeland Security and the
federal department.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
I think if we had a three-word message right now it’d be, ‘We can do
better.’ - Howard Dean
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| User: "Denis Loubet" |
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| Title: Re: Red Cross and Salvation Army blocked by Louisiana state officials |
09 Sep 2005 04:30:54 PM |
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"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in message
news:1126273024.5db72dcee0f267ce9a425ca299366273@teranews...
"Denis Loubet" <dloubet@io.com> wrote in
news:0aCdnSpJa-ojp7zeRVn-pQ@io.com:
"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in message
news:1126236477.6590ad3d458df97f9bcbf6b254567f12@teranews...
http://www.radioblogger.com/#000970
Major Garrett updates us on the Red Cross AND the Salvation Army
being blocked from helping by Louisiana state officials
By Louisiana Homeland Security.
Who's idea was Homeland Security again?
There is no connection between the state Homeland Security and the
federal department.
They just happen to have the same name? Who knew!
--
Denis Loubet
dloubet@io.com
http://www.io.com/~dloubet
http://www.ashenempires.com
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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| Title: Re: Red Cross and Salvation Army blocked by Louisiana state officials |
09 Sep 2005 05:17:29 PM |
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"Denis Loubet" <dloubet@io.com> wrote in news:edKdnR41HZTZJbzeRVn-
vQ@io.com:
"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in message
news:1126273024.5db72dcee0f267ce9a425ca299366273@teranews...
"Denis Loubet" <dloubet@io.com> wrote in
news:0aCdnSpJa-ojp7zeRVn-pQ@io.com:
"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in message
news:1126236477.6590ad3d458df97f9bcbf6b254567f12@teranews...
http://www.radioblogger.com/#000970
Major Garrett updates us on the Red Cross AND the Salvation Army
being blocked from helping by Louisiana state officials
By Louisiana Homeland Security.
Who's idea was Homeland Security again?
There is no connection between the state Homeland Security and the
federal department.
They just happen to have the same name? Who knew!
Yes, Denis, they just happen to have similar names.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
I think if we had a three-word message right now it’d be, ‘We can do
better.’
- Howard Dean
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| User: "Denis Loubet" |
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| Title: Re: Red Cross and Salvation Army blocked by Louisiana state officials |
09 Sep 2005 08:48:57 PM |
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"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in message
news:1126286252.fc739f9ed1a5482eb201802bfe05679f@teranews...
"Denis Loubet" <dloubet@io.com> wrote in news:edKdnR41HZTZJbzeRVn-
vQ@io.com:
"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in message
news:1126273024.5db72dcee0f267ce9a425ca299366273@teranews...
"Denis Loubet" <dloubet@io.com> wrote in
news:0aCdnSpJa-ojp7zeRVn-pQ@io.com:
"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in message
news:1126236477.6590ad3d458df97f9bcbf6b254567f12@teranews...
http://www.radioblogger.com/#000970
Major Garrett updates us on the Red Cross AND the Salvation Army
being blocked from helping by Louisiana state officials
By Louisiana Homeland Security.
Who's idea was Homeland Security again?
There is no connection between the state Homeland Security and the
federal department.
They just happen to have the same name? Who knew!
Yes, Denis, they just happen to have similar names.
Yes, it's amazing!
--
Denis Loubet
dloubet@io.com
http://www.io.com/~dloubet
http://www.ashenempires.com
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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| Title: Re: Red Cross and Salvation Army blocked by Louisiana state officials |
10 Sep 2005 02:56:49 PM |
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In <evidnRZrhbcgabzeRVn-iA@io.com>, "Denis Loubet" <dloubet@io.com> wrote:
"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in message
news:1126286252.fc739f9ed1a5482eb201802bfe05679f@teranews...
"Denis Loubet" <dloubet@io.com> wrote in news:edKdnR41HZTZJbzeRVn-
vQ@io.com:
"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in message
news:1126273024.5db72dcee0f267ce9a425ca299366273@teranews...
"Denis Loubet" <dloubet@io.com> wrote in
news:0aCdnSpJa-ojp7zeRVn-pQ@io.com:
"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in message
news:1126236477.6590ad3d458df97f9bcbf6b254567f12@teranews...
http://www.radioblogger.com/#000970
Major Garrett updates us on the Red Cross AND the Salvation Army
being blocked from helping by Louisiana state officials
By Louisiana Homeland Security.
Who's idea was Homeland Security again?
There is no connection between the state Homeland Security and the
federal department.
They just happen to have the same name? Who knew!
Yes, Denis, they just happen to have similar names.
Yes, it's amazing!
Actually, the name is "Office of Homeland Security and Emergency
Preparedness."
http://www.ohsep.louisiana.gov/
But, anyway.
I still find it fascinating that the mighty federal government of the
world's only superpower "couldn't" get in early but a civilian, volunteer
organization was supposed to be allowed to enter a dangerous area that was
flooding to beat sixty.
They were asked to set up outside the danger zone to receive people. And
they did. They're even somewhere around here, helping displaced folk who
flocked to our parish.
Of course, it *is our own fault. How? Because we had this silly idea that
the civilian volunteers should set up *outside the danger zone and let the
experts FEMA was surely sending deal with the dangerous part.
What idiots we were to think FEMA was going to actually do something.
(I mean, besides org charts)
--
Mark K. Bilbo
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"We're angry, Mr. President, and we'll be angry long
after our beloved city and surrounding parishes have
been pumped dry. Our people deserved rescuing.
Many who could have been were not. That's to the
government's shame."
http://makeashorterlink.com/?F2D511CBB
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| User: "chibiabos" |
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| Title: Re: Red Cross and Salvation Army blocked by Louisiana state officials |
09 Sep 2005 05:48:15 PM |
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In article <1126236477.6590ad3d458df97f9bcbf6b254567f12@teranews>, Fred
Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:
http://www.radioblogger.com/#000970
Major Garrett updates us on the Red Cross AND the Salvation Army being
blocked from helping by Louisiana state officials
HH: Making an encore appearance, and we're very grateful for it, Major
Garrett of Fox News Channel. Major,
Maybe I should watch TV more often. I'm still hung up on a set of
parents that would name their kid, "Major."
"Bu-But . . . I wanted to be an ADMIRAL!"
And his days as an enlisted man in the Air Force must've been
interesting, too. "Garrett, Major, Airman 1st Class, reporting for
duty." . . . Don't know whether to salute him or make him sweep the
tarmac.
And, what did they call him before he turned 18? "Minor?"
-chib (who has a quite normal name, thank you. SMASHing.)
--
Member of SMASH
Sarcastic Middle-aged Atheists with a Sense of Humor
(email: change out to in)
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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| Title: Re: Red Cross and Salvation Army blocked by Louisiana state officials |
10 Sep 2005 02:42:07 PM |
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In <090920051048156949%chib@outreach.com>, chibiabos <chib@outreach.com>
wrote:
In article <1126236477.6590ad3d458df97f9bcbf6b254567f12@teranews>, Fred
Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:
http://www.radioblogger.com/#000970
Major Garrett updates us on the Red Cross AND the Salvation Army being
blocked from helping by Louisiana state officials
HH: Making an encore appearance, and we're very grateful for it, Major
Garrett of Fox News Channel. Major,
Maybe I should watch TV more often. I'm still hung up on a set of parents
that would name their kid, "Major."
"Bu-But . . . I wanted to be an ADMIRAL!"
And his days as an enlisted man in the Air Force must've been interesting,
too. "Garrett, Major, Airman 1st Class, reporting for duty." . . . Don't
know whether to salute him or make him sweep the tarmac.
And, what did they call him before he turned 18? "Minor?"
-chib (who has a quite normal name, thank you. SMASHing.)
"Major Garrett of Fox News Channel" says it all.
Pravda pravdi nyet.
--
Mark K. Bilbo
--------------------------------------------------
"We're angry, Mr. President, and we'll be angry long
after our beloved city and surrounding parishes have
been pumped dry. Our people deserved rescuing.
Many who could have been were not. That's to the
government's shame."
http://makeashorterlink.com/?F2D511CBB
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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| Title: Re: Red Cross and Salvation Army blocked by Louisiana state officials |
10 Sep 2005 02:57:43 PM |
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"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in
news:S7KdnQwKjbMvbb_eRVn-iA@megapath.net:
In <090920051048156949%chib@outreach.com>, chibiabos
<chib@outreach.com> wrote:
In article <1126236477.6590ad3d458df97f9bcbf6b254567f12@teranews>,
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:
http://www.radioblogger.com/#000970
Major Garrett updates us on the Red Cross AND the Salvation Army
being blocked from helping by Louisiana state officials
HH: Making an encore appearance, and we're very grateful for it,
Major Garrett of Fox News Channel. Major,
Maybe I should watch TV more often. I'm still hung up on a set of
parents that would name their kid, "Major."
"Bu-But . . . I wanted to be an ADMIRAL!"
And his days as an enlisted man in the Air Force must've been
interesting, too. "Garrett, Major, Airman 1st Class, reporting for
duty." . . . Don't know whether to salute him or make him sweep the
tarmac.
And, what did they call him before he turned 18? "Minor?"
-chib (who has a quite normal name, thank you. SMASHing.)
"Major Garrett of Fox News Channel" says it all.
Pravda pravdi nyet.
Never mind that both the Red Cross and the Salvation Army confirm the
story.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
I think if we had a three-word message right now it’d be, ‘We can do
better.’
- Howard Dean
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