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Reflecting His Image: Learning to Love God |
Reflecting His Image: Learning to Love God
What is your purpose as a Christian?
For some time now we have been exploring this very topic and have come
to the conclusion that our purpose is to "reflect Christ" in all we do. We
talked extensively about the continual war that goes on within each of us
between our "self life" pulling us one way and "God's Life" pulling us
another. We found that the solution is to make "faith choices" to give
ourselves over to God no matter how we feel, what we think or what our
circumstances are. God, then, can work out our situation according to His
will. Totally giving ourselves over to the Lord in this manner is really what it
means to love God.
The Bible tells us that we are to "love God with all our heart, mind and
soul." This sounds so easy and so simple and most of us would probably
say, "Hey, I already love Him! What's to learn?" Well, loving God the
way Scripture tells us is not easy, nor is it simple and most of us are not
doing it!
The Greek word for "love," used in both of the great commandments, is
the verb agapao. (Matthew 22:37-39) Agapao means "to totally give
ourselves over to something," to be totally consumed with it or to be totally
committed to it. In other words, what we agapao is what we willingly
submit our wills and our lives to. It's what we put first in our lives. All our
intentions and abilities are focused and consumed with this one thing.
Loving God means "taking every thought captive," making faith choices to
follow Him no matter how we feel or what we think and letting His Spirit
not only cleanse us, but also renew our minds.
You might think you are already loving Him, but if I asked you, "Are you
are doing the above things," how would you truthfully answer?
Learning to love God the way He desires is not an emotional type of love,
but a total commitment type of love.
To Love God Means to Lose Self
Because of our ignorance of the different types of natural, human love, we
often get our feeling and emotional love (storge) confused and mixed up
with this commitment love (agapao). And, because most of us have great
emotional love for God, we think we are loving Him as He desires when,
in fact, we are not even close.
Ever since I was a little girl, I have loved God. But my love for Him always
seemed to fluctuate depending upon how I felt, how the other person was
reacting and what my circumstances were. I see now that my early love for
God was really an emotional love (storge) and not a commitment love
(agapao) at all. And, the more I grow in learning to love God His way, the
more I understand that human, affection love comes and goes, depending
upon how we feel, what we think, and what our circumstances are. In
other words, one day we're "up" and feeling close to God; the next day,
we feel far from Him because our circumstances are terrible, others are
treating us poorly and our emotions are out of control.
To love God the way He desires, means to surrender, relinquish and set
aside our self-life so that His Life in our hearts can come forth.
A Scripture that sums up what loving God really means is Matthew 16:24.
"If any man will come after Me, let him deny himself, and take up his
cross, and follow Me."
Here's an incredible example:
An Example: Unconditional Love
Steve was a young man with a nine-year-old daughter, Heather, whom he
loved more than life itself. Steve had, however, a very difficult marriage,
but he wouldn't consider leaving his wife because he adored Heather.
Finally, his wife ended up filing for divorce and a bitter custody battle
ensued. In order to manipulate her daughter's affections and possibly the
court, Steve's ex-wife lied to Heather and told her horrible, mean and
untrue things about her dad.
Shortly after that, Steve received the most hurtful, hateful and bitter letter
from Heather that he could ever imagine. It absolutely devastated him
because she accused him of all the lies her mom had told her, none of
which were true. Steve crashed and burned for several days trying to
decide how to defend himself and answer her accusatory letter.
He envisioned writing a sharp letter back to Heather, taking each point and
blasting his ex-wife "out of the water" with the truth. He had the letter all
written in his head which would have finally put his "ex" in her place. He
certainly would have been justified by the world's standards to do so.
But, since Steve loved the Lord more than anything else in the world, his
conscience wouldn't let him write a letter like that. In fact, after several
days the Holy Spirit convinced Steve to write a godly letter to Heather
telling her that if she wanted to, she could say mean things about him and
even call him names if she liked, but that he would always unconditionally
love her. Rather than pointing fingers at his wife, he asked Heather for her
forgiveness for all the pain the situation had caused her.
After a few days, he received another letter from Heather. Only this time
she said, "Daddy, I do forgive you and I do love you more than anything."
At the custody hearing, Heather sat next to her dad and they talked
together the whole time. The judge was so impressed with the love the two
obviously shared, that he ruled in favor of Steve.
Truly, obeying and loving the Lord always pays off in the end! We do reap
what we sow, either for good or for evil.
Loving God means totally giving ourselves over to the Lord and submitting
our wills and our lives to Him in everything.
Agapao vs. Agape
In studying the Greek verb agapao, it's important that we don't get it
mixed up with the noun Agape, because they mean two totally different
things.
The noun Agape means God's pure unconditional Love and it's always
used as such in the Bible. The definition of Agape is found in 1 Corinthians
13:4-8. Throughout Scripture, there is never a negative usage of the noun
Agape. In fact, the word Agape was actually coined uniquely for its usage
in Scripture, whereas the verb agapao means whatever we totally give
ourselves over to.
But, as you will see in the following passages, it's also possible to totally
give ourselves over to things that are worthless, like money, materialism,
pleasure, etc.
Look at the following Scriptures and see some of the carnal things that
people in the Bible "gave themselves over to":
.. John 3:19: "men loved [agapao] darkness rather than light, because their
deeds were evil."
.. John 12:43: "For they loved [agapao] the praise of men more than the
praise of God."
.. Luke 11:43. "Woe unto you, Pharisees! for ye love [agapao] the
uppermost seats in the synagogues."
.. 2 Timothy 4:10: "For Demas hath forsaken me, having loved [agapao]
this present world."
.. 1 John 2:15: "Love [agapao] not the world, neither the things that are in
the world." And lastly,
.. Luke 6:32: "for sinners also love [agapao] those that love them."
Some current examples of things we agapao are careers, houses, money,
pleasure and self.
This perhaps explains why so many Christian marriages are not functioning
as God desires. Jesus tells us that the husband must love (agapao) his wife
as himself and the wife is to revere her husband. Well, if the man is not
truly loving God (submitting his will and his life to Him) as he should, then
there's no way he can love his wife as himself. Nor will she be able to
respond in reverence as God desires. When the chain of command is not
working properly, then the whole process falls apart! (Note: This does not
mean that the innocent party is off the hook. God says we are even to
love-agapao-our enemies.) To love each other as God desires means to
lose ourselves (set ourselves aside), so that we can put the other's needs
before our own. How many marriages are really working like this?
Do You Love God?
If I asked you, "Do you love God?" most of you would automatically say,
"Yes, of course I do!" But, if you are really honest with yourself, how
often do you seek to put His will and His desires above your own? How
often are you consumed with what He desires for your life and not what
you want out of life?
Can you honestly say that you desire God's will above your own
happiness?
This question puts it right into perspective, doesn't it? People everywhere
are seeking happiness and contentment as their ultimate goal. Is this your
goal? Or is it to set yourself aside and please God? There was a woman in
one of my classes who really took offense at my statement that we should
desire God's will above our own happiness. She came to me afterwards
and said, "Nancy, surely you mean our perception of happiness?"
I said, No, I really believe there are many times when we must choose to
do God's will over what we know will bring us happiness." There have
been many times in my own life where I've had to make choices I knew
would not bring me momentary happiness. And yet, I knew that in the long
run nothing would compare with the joy I would experience as a result of
choosing God's way over my own.
It's as if God is testing us. When difficult situations arise and the other
person involved is obviously sinning, God is not only interested in their
actions, He is also watching our reactions. Humanly, we want to retaliate
and get back at them. And, even though we might be totally justified by the
world's standards to do so, God's watching to see what we'll do. Will we
react immediately out of the flesh and end up spiraling downward into the
pit, or will we, like Steve above, catch ourselves and choose by faith (even
though we don't feel like it) to surrender our flesh and continue to walk by
the Spirit? The wonderful part of this last scenario is that after we have
dealt with our own fleshly emotions, the Lord will align our emotions with
our faith choices and the result will be miraculous.
Remember what happened with Steve. The judge and the court ruled in his
favor! In our case, more than anything else, we want the Judge and the
Court of Heaven to rule in our favor. And, that only occurs when we deny
ourselves, pick up our cross and follow Him.
* * *
by Nancy Missler
To be continued next month, "A Visual Picture of the Problem." This
article has been excerpted in part from Nan's new book, Reflections of
His Image: God's Purpose for Your Life. See page 37 for details on this
and other King's High Way products.
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On Jul 23, 9:23 am, "You Think" <ut_a...@yahoo.uk> wrote:
My momma gave me syphillis. Nothin' beats good christian lovin.
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26 Jul 2007 05:37:02 AM |
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You Think wrote:
Reflecting His Image: Learning to Love God
What is your purpose as a Christian?
For some time now we have been exploring this very topic and have come
to the conclusion that our purpose is to "reflect Christ"
We know nothing about 'Him' from the cradle to age around twenty. The son of a god
lives in total obscurity for the most formative years of his life !!!! ?
Just another indication that the whole Christ story was written by humans years
after his claimed time. They just didn't think his first twenty years important -
they didn't think too good back then
and some still don't !
'He' could possibly have been created something along these lines, we will NEVER
know for sure:
CURTAIN RISES
[Menam, a Priest, is talking with his buddies in the temple].
ÒBrothers the flock are restless and I'm tired of them asking me 'Where is that god
you want us to pray to', they keep insisting on seeing him"
Rastus, [another priest]:
"I have the same problem, it's getting me down, they keep saying 'Produce him'. You
know the Vishnus down the road have a wooden god in a hut and more and more people
are going there to pray these daysÓ
Influx [The Senior Priest]:
"Listen, let's invite that preacher fella Jesus to join us, he is popular and he
preaches well. We'll tell 'em he is god's sonÓ.
Rastus. [Laughing]
ÒDon't be silly, how can we say that, he's just a preacher, gods don't send their
sons down to earth. How do we say he got here?Ó
Influx. [Thinks]
ÒWell we can tell them 'e was borne of a virgin. [Scratches head] I'm sure we can
find a virgin somewhere, if we look hard enough.
Rastus.
That won't be any use, when 'e dies we'll have to start all over again to find
another 'son of a god'. Anyway, they are not going to buy that yarn of yours a
second time around!
Influx. [Grins]
Aaah but listen. [Chuckles] When 'e dies we'll hide him away in a cave, steal the
body in the middle of the night and then, listen to this, your gonna love this,
[nudges Rastus in the ribs], then we'll tell them ÒHe floated slowly up into the
sky to heaven just above the clouds [raises arms and makes floating motions] and
now sits up there with god - Fellas we'll have 'em in the palm of our hands for
eternity.
[All priests together]:
"Spontaneous cheeringÓ.
in all we do. We
talked extensively about the continual war that goes on within each of us
between our "self life" pulling us one way and "God's Life" pulling us
another. We found that the solution is to make "faith choices" to give
ourselves over to God no matter how we feel, what we think or what our
circumstances are. God, then, can work out our situation according to His
will. Totally giving ourselves over to the Lord in this manner is really what it
means to love God.
The Bible tells us that we are to "love God with all our heart, mind and
soul." This sounds so easy and so simple and most of us would probably
say, "Hey, I already love Him! What's to learn?" Well, loving God the
way Scripture tells us is not easy, nor is it simple and most of us are not
doing it!
The Greek word for "love," used in both of the great commandments, is
the verb agapao. (Matthew 22:37-39) Agapao means "to totally give
ourselves over to something," to be totally consumed with it or to be totally
committed to it. In other words, what we agapao is what we willingly
submit our wills and our lives to. It's what we put first in our lives. All our
intentions and abilities are focused and consumed with this one thing.
Loving God means "taking every thought captive," making faith choices to
follow Him no matter how we feel or what we think and letting His Spirit
not only cleanse us, but also renew our minds.
You might think you are already loving Him, but if I asked you, "Are you
are doing the above things," how would you truthfully answer?
Learning to love God the way He desires is not an emotional type of love,
but a total commitment type of love.
To Love God Means to Lose Self
Because of our ignorance of the different types of natural, human love, we
often get our feeling and emotional love (storge) confused and mixed up
with this commitment love (agapao). And, because most of us have great
emotional love for God, we think we are loving Him as He desires when,
in fact, we are not even close.
Ever since I was a little girl, I have loved God. But my love for Him always
seemed to fluctuate depending upon how I felt, how the other person was
reacting and what my circumstances were. I see now that my early love for
God was really an emotional love (storge) and not a commitment love
(agapao) at all. And, the more I grow in learning to love God His way, the
more I understand that human, affection love comes and goes, depending
upon how we feel, what we think, and what our circumstances are. In
other words, one day we're "up" and feeling close to God; the next day,
we feel far from Him because our circumstances are terrible, others are
treating us poorly and our emotions are out of control.
To love God the way He desires, means to surrender, relinquish and set
aside our self-life so that His Life in our hearts can come forth.
A Scripture that sums up what loving God really means is Matthew 16:24.
"If any man will come after Me, let him deny himself, and take up his
cross, and follow Me."
Here's an incredible example:
An Example: Unconditional Love
Steve was a young man with a nine-year-old daughter, Heather, whom he
loved more than life itself. Steve had, however, a very difficult marriage,
but he wouldn't consider leaving his wife because he adored Heather.
Finally, his wife ended up filing for divorce and a bitter custody battle
ensued. In order to manipulate her daughter's affections and possibly the
court, Steve's ex-wife lied to Heather and told her horrible, mean and
untrue things about her dad.
Shortly after that, Steve received the most hurtful, hateful and bitter letter
from Heather that he could ever imagine. It absolutely devastated him
because she accused him of all the lies her mom had told her, none of
which were true. Steve crashed and burned for several days trying to
decide how to defend himself and answer her accusatory letter.
He envisioned writing a sharp letter back to Heather, taking each point and
blasting his ex-wife "out of the water" with the truth. He had the letter all
written in his head which would have finally put his "ex" in her place. He
certainly would have been justified by the world's standards to do so.
But, since Steve loved the Lord more than anything else in the world, his
conscience wouldn't let him write a letter like that. In fact, after several
days the Holy Spirit convinced Steve to write a godly letter to Heather
telling her that if she wanted to, she could say mean things about him and
even call him names if she liked, but that he would always unconditionally
love her. Rather than pointing fingers at his wife, he asked Heather for her
forgiveness for all the pain the situation had caused her.
After a few days, he received another letter from Heather. Only this time
she said, "Daddy, I do forgive you and I do love you more than anything."
At the custody hearing, Heather sat next to her dad and they talked
together the whole time. The judge was so impressed with the love the two
obviously shared, that he ruled in favor of Steve.
Truly, obeying and loving the Lord always pays off in the end! We do reap
what we sow, either for good or for evil.
Loving God means totally giving ourselves over to the Lord and submitting
our wills and our lives to Him in everything.
Agapao vs. Agape
In studying the Greek verb agapao, it's important that we don't get it
mixed up with the noun Agape, because they mean two totally different
things.
The noun Agape means God's pure unconditional Love and it's always
used as such in the Bible. The definition of Agape is found in 1 Corinthians
13:4-8. Throughout Scripture, there is never a negative usage of the noun
Agape. In fact, the word Agape was actually coined uniquely for its usage
in Scripture, whereas the verb agapao means whatever we totally give
ourselves over to.
But, as you will see in the following passages, it's also possible to totally
give ourselves over to things that are worthless, like money, materialism,
pleasure, etc.
Look at the following Scriptures and see some of the carnal things that
people in the Bible "gave themselves over to":
. John 3:19: "men loved [agapao] darkness rather than light, because their
deeds were evil."
. John 12:43: "For they loved [agapao] the praise of men more than the
praise of God."
. Luke 11:43. "Woe unto you, Pharisees! for ye love [agapao] the
uppermost seats in the synagogues."
. 2 Timothy 4:10: "For Demas hath forsaken me, having loved [agapao]
this present world."
. 1 John 2:15: "Love [agapao] not the world, neither the things that are in
the world." And lastly,
. Luke 6:32: "for sinners also love [agapao] those that love them."
Some current examples of things we agapao are careers, houses, money,
pleasure and self.
This perhaps explains why so many Christian marriages are not functioning
as God desires. Jesus tells us that the husband must love (agapao) his wife
as himself and the wife is to revere her husband. Well, if the man is not
truly loving God (submitting his will and his life to Him) as he should, then
there's no way he can love his wife as himself. Nor will she be able to
respond in reverence as God desires. When the chain of command is not
working properly, then the whole process falls apart! (Note: This does not
mean that the innocent party is off the hook. God says we are even to
love-agapao-our enemies.) To love each other as God desires means to
lose ourselves (set ourselves aside), so that we can put the other's needs
before our own. How many marriages are really working like this?
Do You Love God?
If I asked you, "Do you love God?" most of you would automatically say,
"Yes, of course I do!" But, if you are really honest with yourself, how
often do you seek to put His will and His desires above your own? How
often are you consumed with what He desires for your life and not what
you want out of life?
Can you honestly say that you desire God's will above your own
happiness?
This question puts it right into perspective, doesn't it? People everywhere
are seeking happiness and contentment as their ultimate goal. Is this your
goal? Or is it to set yourself aside and please God? There was a woman in
one of my classes who really took offense at my statement that we should
desire God's will above our own happiness. She came to me afterwards
and said, "Nancy, surely you mean our perception of happiness?"
I said, No, I really believe there are many times when we must choose to
do God's will over what we know will bring us happiness." There have
been many times in my own life where I've had to make choices I knew
would not bring me momentary happiness. And yet, I knew that in the long
run nothing would compare with the joy I would experience as a result of
choosing God's way over my own.
It's as if God is testing us. When difficult situations arise and the other
person involved is obviously sinning, God is not only interested in their
actions, He is also watching our reactions. Humanly, we want to retaliate
and get back at them. And, even though we might be totally justified by the
world's standards to do so, God's watching to see what we'll do. Will we
react immediately out of the flesh and end up spiraling downward into the
pit, or will we, like Steve above, catch ourselves and choose by faith (even
though we don't feel like it) to surrender our flesh and continue to walk by
the Spirit? The wonderful part of this last scenario is that after we have
dealt with our own fleshly emotions, the Lord will align our emotions with
our faith choices and the result will be miraculous.
Remember what happened with Steve. The judge and the court ruled in his
favor! In our case, more than anything else, we want the Judge and the
Court of Heaven to rule in our favor. And, that only occurs when we deny
ourselves, pick up our cross and follow Him.
* * *
by Nancy Missler
To be continued next month, "A Visual Picture of the Problem." This
article has been excerpted in part from Nan's new book, Reflections of
His Image: God's Purpose for Your Life. See page 37 for details on this
and other King's High Way products.
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26 Jul 2007 08:03:43 AM |
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"bob young" <alaspectrum@netvigator.com> wrote in message news:46A8789C.B30D47F6@netvigator.com...
Reflecting His Image: Learning to Love God
What is your purpose as a Christian?
For some time now we have been exploring this very topic and have come
to the conclusion that our purpose is to "reflect Christ"
Marriage & Family Saw This One Coming
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Government's Interest in Order and Morality
Sometimes I know how Ian Malcolm, the mathematician in Jurassic Park, felt.
His warnings about the folly of the park's creators were vindicated by the
sight of a T-Rex eating an SUV. Then, all Malcolm could say was "I hate
being right all the time."
Well, I'm not right all of the time. I do know what it's like, however, to
hate being right.
The BBC recently ran a story about a German couple named Patrick and Susan.
The couple has been living together unmarried for the past six years and
has four children. In a continent full of unmarried couples with children,
this particular pair stands out-because they are brother and sister.
As a young child, Patrick was given up for adoption. He finally met his
mother and the rest of his biological family, including Susan, seven years
ago. After their mother died, the two became, in the BBC's words, "lovers."
When German authorities learned about the "relationship," they placed three
of their children-two of whom have disabilities-in foster care and charged
Patrick with incest. Patrick has already served two years and faces more
jail time.
While this story is certainly sordid, unfortunately, it's not unique. What
makes it noteworthy is that the couple is challenging German laws against
incest in Germany's Federal Constitutional Court.
As the couple's lawyer, Endrik Wilhelm, told the BBC, "this law is out of
date, and it breaches the couple's civil rights." According to the lawyer,
the "couple [is] not harming anyone," and the ban "is discrimination."
To those like Juergen Kunze, a geneticist at Berlin's Charite Hospital, who
cite the genetic risks to the offspring of incest, Wilhelm replies: "Why
are disabled parents" or "people with hereditary diseases [and] women over
40" allowed to have children?
Anyone who claims to be surprised by this case has not been paying
attention to American law. In Lawrence v. Texas, the Supreme Court found
that "consenting" adults had a right to privacy when it comes to sexual
relations-any kind of sexual relations. As Justice Scalia pointed out in
his stinging dissent, the logic employed by the majority of the court could
be applied to laws against "bigamy, same-sex marriage [and] adult incest."
If you deny that there's a "substantial government interest in protecting
order and morality," as courts increasingly are doing, where do you draw
the line? Certainly not at same-sex "marriage," as we have seen. The fact
is that, as Dr. Kunze puts it, laws like these "based on long traditions in
Western societies" have not been stopping courts lately.
The ugly truth is that, absent a "substantial government interest in
protecting order and morality," the incestuous couple has the better
argument. In a culture where personal autonomy trumps long-established
moral traditions, our revulsion does look like the kind of prejudice that
Lawrence rejected as the basis for laws.
Like I said, none of this should come as a surprise. Instead, it ought to
serve as a warning of where the law is headed. Let's pray that this time we
don't need a rampaging T-Rex to confirm our worst fears.
By Chuck Colson
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For Further Reading and Information
Roberto Rivera, "The Ballad of Patrick and Susan," The Point, 8 March 2007.
Tristana Moore, "Couple Stand by Forbidden Love," BBC News, 7 March 2007.
BreakPoint Commentary No. 050817, "Taking the Plunge: A Case of Incest."
BreakPoint Commentary No. 060106, "Further Down the Slope: Massachusetts
Senate Bill 938."
Robert George, "Rick Santorum is Right," National Review Online, 27 May
2003.
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On Jul 26, 6:37 am, bob young <alaspect...@netvigator.com> wrote:
You Think wrote:
Reflecting His Image: Learning to Love God
On Jul 23, 9:23 am, "You Think" <ut_a...@yahoo.uk> wrote:
Reflecting His Image: Learning to Love God
"You Think:
"To love God the way He desires, means to surrender, relinquish and
set
aside our self-life so that His Life in our hearts can come forth."
V:
Check out your words.
Anytime someone 'has a desire' they cannot be perfect.
See:
http://jesusneverexisted.org/jne/forum/index.php?topic=3D318.0
The problem with always going back to the bible for the last word is
this.
The bible is not the Word of God, but the word of man.
And the only thing that confirms the bible, is the bible, which is not
a confirmation.
We can say the same arguments for the Qur=B7'an or the Book of
Mormons...they must all be true because they say they are true.
See:
http://jesusneverexisted.org/jne/forum/index.php?topic=3D318.0
We must also be careful with putting words in the mouth of Jesus as
many Christians like to do
After all no one that ever wrote about Jesus ever met Jesus and it is
ALL heresy.
May I be so bold to suggest that you all drop the pretense and lies
that you have been grasping onto for entire life and rebuild your life
through a foundation of truth and testing and regenerate yourselves
into a truth based agnostic freethinker?
http://jesusneverexisted.org/jne/forum/index.php?topic=3D470.0
It may take time, but you will be successful at finding truth if you
try.
My own journey leaving monotheism was a long one.
I was Catholic for 50 years and am now a freethinking agnostic.
It all started for me many years ago when an ex-Krishna / Wicca
massage lady told me that Jesus was not born on December 25 and the
Christians adopted that day to steal it away from the pagans holiday.
Then she told be it was the same with Halloween.
A few years later I found out that the gospels were not written by the
apostles or men that even knew Jesus.
Then I came across Freke's book 'The Jesus Mysteries.' I started to
study the beginnings of Christianity and how the Nicene council was
nothing more than a political convention to find out who had the best
spin on Jesus.
I wrote to a few professors such Bart D. Ehrman and others asking
about The Jesus Mysteries. Their reply was it wasn't worth reading or
just nonsense.
Relieved that such talk was hogwash, I drifted back to religion for
some time until the next crack showed up at my door.
I was on a Buddhist forum eSangha (where I was eventually banned) and
the discussion turned to Jesus. Someone mentioned the 'Jesus Never
Existed' website and then this forum came about so I joined.
Then talked with an ex-rabbi dizax that guided me into more detailed
biblical study.
Meeting that ex-rabbi was a major turning point in my life of
religious beliefs, as I had never bothered to 'really' study what the
foundation of monotheism was based on. I only bought the religious
hype and did not know the facts.
Then one day read in the news that the church abolishes limbo. This
did not go well with the concept of the truth is that which does not
change.
Then watched some shows on the History Channel about religion that
gave me more insight by exposing the lies.
I talked with some Christian members at the forums.
Sometimes their argument's were really insane. One Christian argued
that the ancient coal and fossils were planted by the devil to trick
us so we would not believe in God and go to hell.
Other were smarter and less extreme. One in particular was most
knowledgeable. He said the bible was the perfect word of God EXCEPT
the creation story which he viewed as myth.
Well, if we start to pick and choose what is real or lies in the
bible...where does it end?
I started to talk with many atheists and listened to their stories.
All good questions they proposed and the theists could never begin to
answer them.
I sated listening to some of Ken Humphrey's programs:
http://jesusneverexisted.com/ken-Alchemy.mp3
http://breakfornews.com/my/modules.php?op=3Dmodload&name=3DNews&file=3Darti=
cle&sid=3D190&mode=3Dthread%22(der=3D0&thold=3D0
http://jesusneverexisted.com/kenwfm.mp3
As I continued to study religion and the bible in particular, I could
see very clearly now that all religion is man made and flavored with
the ego's of men.
That was my day on enlightenment...now it is your turn my friend.
And after about 7 years of developing cracks in my Catholic
foundations, I decided that I would make a change in my way of life,
sided on the path of truth and left the church evolving into a truth
based Agnostic Freethinker.
I still use many tools from spiritual as well as religious sources.
If the tool can be tested for truth and does not require faith, then I
make use of it if it promotes inner peace. (I should say it does take
'faith to test' sometimes, but once you start the test, the need for
faith evaporates.)
see:
http://jesusneverexisted.org/jne/forum/index.php?topic=3D4.0
Take care,
V (Male)
Agnostic Freethinker
Practical Philosopher
AA#2
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