Religions > Atheism > Reflections upon Christ's turning water into wine from the Atheist perspective:-)
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"Eris" |
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11 Sep 2007 10:29:11 PM |
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Reflections upon Christ's turning water into wine from the Atheist perspective:-) |
Can you imagine the ramifications, the following day?
Christ is crushed by a mob of his fellow countrymen demanding that he
change water into wine for them!
Christ being enslaved by the Romans and shipped off to Rome to make
Italy the wine capital of the known world.
Christ being dragged to the dead sea and forced to turn it into wine,
cries of "There are no fish in it anyway" abound.
Tavern owners stone Christ to death rather than put up with anymore of
this crap.
Tomorrow, the ramifications of the Christ feeding the multitude with
three loaves of bread and five fishes in a time of scarcity.
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| User: "Geoff" |
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| Title: Re: Reflections upon Christ's turning water into wine from the Atheist perspective:-) |
11 Sep 2007 11:45:09 PM |
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Eris wrote:
Can you imagine the ramifications, the following day?
Christ is crushed by a mob of his fellow countrymen demanding that he
change water into wine for them!
Christ being enslaved by the Romans and shipped off to Rome to make
Italy the wine capital of the known world.
Christ being dragged to the dead sea and forced to turn it into wine,
cries of "There are no fish in it anyway" abound.
Tavern owners stone Christ to death rather than put up with anymore of
this crap.
Pilate introduces price supports for wine when vineyard fortunes are lost as
the price of a good bottle of Mogan David '27 bottoms out at 2 shekel - 10
agorat.
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| User: "Thurisaz, Germanic barbarian" |
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| Title: Re: Reflections upon Christ's turning water into wine from the Atheist perspective:-) |
12 Sep 2007 11:11:20 AM |
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Eris:
Can you imagine the ramifications, the following day?
Actually I can...
*makes a mental list of people demanding their share of the mead that's
currently in the making over here*
--
"To his friend a man a friend shall prove, and gifts with gifts requite;
But men shall mocking with mockery answer, and fraud with falsehood meet."
(The Poetic Edda)
Must have been written with fundies in mind...
My personal judgment of monotheism:
http://www.carcosa.de/nojebus
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| User: "Hatter" |
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| Title: Re: Reflections upon Christ's turning water into wine from the Atheist perspective:-) |
12 Sep 2007 12:26:26 PM |
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On Sep 12, 12:11 pm, "Thurisaz, Germanic barbarian"
<MAILTOsecret...@carcosa.de> wrote:
Eris:
Can you imagine the ramifications, the following day?
Actually I can...
*makes a mental list of people demanding their share of the mead that's
currently in the making over here*
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Heh, I prefer something that I make and get many a request for: Meaded
Scotch.
Scotch, honey, a little mead, cinnamom, and a touch of ginger and
allspice. Mixed up a few weeks ahead of time. If it is too strong for
you, it can be added to cider.
Hatter
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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| Title: Re: Reflections upon Christ's turning water into wine from the Atheist perspective:-) |
13 Sep 2007 11:52:30 AM |
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On Wed, 12 Sep 2007 10:26:26 -0700, Hatter <Hatter23@gmail.com> wrote:
Heh, I prefer something that I make and get many a request for: Meaded
Scotch.
Scotch, honey, a little mead, cinnamom, and a touch of ginger and
allspice.
Would that be a kind of metheglinic melomel? Or would Scotch be
considered a spice also?
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Al at Webdingers dot com
"If we really know Truth, we do not fear hearing falsehoods or half-truths;
if we are not sure of the truth - we shudder and try to shout down every utterance."
- A. J. Mims
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| User: "Hatter" |
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| Title: Re: Reflections upon Christ's turning water into wine from the Atheist perspective:-) |
13 Sep 2007 01:42:19 PM |
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On Sep 13, 12:52 pm, Al Klein <ruk...@pern.invalid> wrote:
On Wed, 12 Sep 2007 10:26:26 -0700, Hatter <Hatte...@gmail.com> wrote:
Heh, I prefer something that I make and get many a request for: Meaded
Scotch.
Scotch, honey, a little mead, cinnamom, and a touch of ginger and
allspice.
Would that be a kind of metheglinic melomel? Or would Scotch be
considered a spice also?
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Sorry, I had to look up "metheglinic"
It is methoglinic, but no fruit, so it wouldn't be a melomel. Though
now I'm tempted to try it mixed with applejack or triplesec.
Given the scotch is about 2/3rds the volume, I'd hardly call it a
spice.
Hatter
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| User: "Eris" |
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| Title: Re: Reflections upon Christ's turning water into wine from the Atheist perspective:-) |
13 Sep 2007 03:35:38 PM |
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On Sep 13, 2:42 pm, Hatter <Hatte...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sep 13, 12:52 pm, Al Klein <ruk...@pern.invalid> wrote:> On Wed, 12 Sep 2007 10:26:26 -0700, Hatter <Hatte...@gmail.com> wrote:
Heh, I prefer something that I make and get many a request for: Meaded
Scotch.
Scotch, honey, a little mead, cinnamom, and a touch of ginger and
allspice.
Would that be a kind of metheglinic melomel? Or would Scotch be
considered a spice also?
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Sorry, I had to look up "metheglinic"
It is methoglinic, but no fruit, so it wouldn't be a melomel. Though
now I'm tempted to try it mixed with applejack or triplesec.
Given the scotch is about 2/3rds the volume, I'd hardly call it a
spice.
Hatter
Some friends of mine family had an applejack at Christmas dinner
tradition, that ended after the Christmas that no one remembers.
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| User: "Christopher A.Lee" |
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| Title: Re: Reflections upon Christ's turning water into wine from the Atheist perspective:-) |
13 Sep 2007 02:45:48 PM |
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On Thu, 13 Sep 2007 18:42:19 -0000, Hatter <Hatter23@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sep 13, 12:52 pm, Al Klein <ruk...@pern.invalid> wrote:
On Wed, 12 Sep 2007 10:26:26 -0700, Hatter <Hatte...@gmail.com> wrote:
Heh, I prefer something that I make and get many a request for: Meaded
Scotch.
Scotch, honey, a little mead, cinnamom, and a touch of ginger and
allspice.
Would that be a kind of metheglinic melomel? Or would Scotch be
considered a spice also?
--
Sorry, I had to look up "metheglinic"
It is methoglinic, but no fruit, so it wouldn't be a melomel. Though
now I'm tempted to try it mixed with applejack or triplesec.
Given the scotch is about 2/3rds the volume, I'd hardly call it a
spice.
Allspice is the name of a specific spice:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allspice
Hatter
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| User: "Hatter" |
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13 Sep 2007 03:40:13 PM |
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On Sep 13, 3:45 pm, Christopher A.Lee <ca...@optonline.net> wrote:
On Thu, 13 Sep 2007 18:42:19 -0000, Hatter <Hatte...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sep 13, 12:52 pm, Al Klein <ruk...@pern.invalid> wrote:
On Wed, 12 Sep 2007 10:26:26 -0700, Hatter <Hatte...@gmail.com> wrote:
Heh, I prefer something that I make and get many a request for: Meaded
Scotch.
Scotch, honey, a little mead, cinnamom, and a touch of ginger and
allspice.
Would that be a kind of metheglinic melomel? Or would Scotch be
considered a spice also?
--
Sorry, I had to look up "metheglinic"
It is methoglinic, but no fruit, so it wouldn't be a melomel. Though
now I'm tempted to try it mixed with applejack or triplesec.
Given the scotch is about 2/3rds the volume, I'd hardly call it a
spice.
Allspice is the name of a specific spice:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allspice
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no, he was asking if I considered scotch as a "spice" in the recipe.
Hatter
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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| Title: Re: Reflections upon Christ's turning water into wine from the Atheist perspective:-) |
13 Sep 2007 03:31:17 PM |
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On Thu, 13 Sep 2007 18:42:19 -0000, Hatter <Hatter23@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sep 13, 12:52 pm, Al Klein <ruk...@pern.invalid> wrote:
On Wed, 12 Sep 2007 10:26:26 -0700, Hatter <Hatte...@gmail.com> wrote:
Heh, I prefer something that I make and get many a request for: Meaded
Scotch.
Scotch, honey, a little mead, cinnamom, and a touch of ginger and
allspice.
Would that be a kind of metheglinic melomel? Or would Scotch be
considered a spice also?
--
Sorry, I had to look up "metheglinic"
It is methoglinic, but no fruit, so it wouldn't be a melomel. Though
now I'm tempted to try it mixed with applejack or triplesec.
Given the scotch is about 2/3rds the volume, I'd hardly call it a
spice.
I was thinking that it might be considered a fruit - grain is fruit -
hence melomel.
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Al at Webdingers dot com
"Damn. Looks like all of usenet agrees that you don't have the logical
faculties to prove the statement 'dogshit is not peanut butter' if we
gave you a jar of each and a box of crackers"
- John Hattan to Tichy
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| User: "Geoff" |
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| Title: Re: Reflections upon Christ's turning water into wine from the Atheist perspective:-) |
13 Sep 2007 09:52:00 AM |
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Thurisaz, Germanic barbarian wrote:
Eris:
Can you imagine the ramifications, the following day?
Actually I can...
*makes a mental list of people demanding their share of the mead
that's currently in the making over here*
Add me to that list!
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| User: "Thurisaz, Germanic barbarian" |
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13 Sep 2007 09:46:22 PM |
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Geoff:
*makes a mental list of people demanding their share of the mead
that's currently in the making over here*
Add me to that list!
I have to warn you pal... I don't add _anything_ to prevent the stuff from
eventually spoiling. None of it _has_ spoiled so far, but doing things like
sending a bottle of it overseas _might_ possibly result in what you get not
exactly being what you wanted ^^
--
"To his friend a man a friend shall prove, and gifts with gifts requite;
But men shall mocking with mockery answer, and fraud with falsehood meet."
(The Poetic Edda)
Must have been written with fundies in mind...
My personal judgment of monotheism:
http://www.carcosa.de/nojebus
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| User: "Geoff" |
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14 Sep 2007 08:37:27 AM |
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Thurisaz, Germanic barbarian wrote:
Geoff:
*makes a mental list of people demanding their share of the mead
that's currently in the making over here*
Add me to that list!
I have to warn you pal... I don't add _anything_ to prevent the stuff
from eventually spoiling. None of it _has_ spoiled so far, but doing
things like sending a bottle of it overseas _might_ possibly result
in what you get not exactly being what you wanted ^^
Sounds like a trip to the Fatherland is in order!
Mildly interesting story:
My great-grandfather came to the US in 1862 (just in time to fight in the
Civil War) from Köln.
One night, I was out at the local pub and I asked a some of the fellows at
the bar if any of them wanted to shoot a game of pool. One guy said, "Ya, I
vill play."
We got to playing and I asked him where he was from. He said Germany. I told
him that my family is from Köln. He said he was from there too and he asked
me what my last name is. I told him Offermann. So he pulls out his wallet
and what do you know...Ralf Offermann.
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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14 Sep 2007 09:28:33 AM |
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"Geoff" <gebobs@yahoo.nospam.com> wrote in message
news:4ZGdnWRP9d8KE3fbnZ2dnUVZ_gmdnZ2d@giganews.com...
Thurisaz, Germanic barbarian wrote:
Geoff:
*makes a mental list of people demanding their share of the mead
that's currently in the making over here*
Add me to that list!
I have to warn you pal... I don't add _anything_ to prevent the stuff
from eventually spoiling. None of it _has_ spoiled so far, but doing
things like sending a bottle of it overseas _might_ possibly result
in what you get not exactly being what you wanted ^^
Sounds like a trip to the Fatherland is in order!
Mildly interesting story:
My great-grandfather came to the US in 1862 (just in time to fight in the
Civil War) from Köln.
One night, I was out at the local pub and I asked a some of the fellows at
the bar if any of them wanted to shoot a game of pool. One guy said, "Ya,
I vill play."
We got to playing and I asked him where he was from. He said Germany. I
told him that my family is from Köln. He said he was from there too and he
asked me what my last name is. I told him Offermann. So he pulls out his
wallet and what do you know...Ralf Offermann.
Wow - Were you guys cousins or just a wonderful coinkydink? :)
--
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
BAAWA Knight!
#1557
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| User: "Geoff" |
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16 Sep 2007 09:24:47 AM |
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Robibnikoff wrote:
Wow - Were you guys cousins or just a wonderful coinkydink? :)
I doubt we're very close relatives. There are at least four generations of
separation and probably many more.
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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17 Sep 2007 12:11:01 PM |
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"Geoff" <gebobs@yahoo.nospam.com> wrote in message
news:fsednUznk6EtoXDbnZ2dnUVZ_r-vnZ2d@giganews.com...
Robibnikoff wrote:
Wow - Were you guys cousins or just a wonderful coinkydink? :)
I doubt we're very close relatives. There are at least four generations of
separation and probably many more.
Hey, whatever. I have lots of relatives and/or ancestors like that.
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Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
BAAWA Knight!
#1557
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| User: "Geoff" |
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17 Sep 2007 03:12:33 PM |
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Robibnikoff wrote:
"Geoff" <gebobs@yahoo.nospam.com> wrote in message
news:fsednUznk6EtoXDbnZ2dnUVZ_r-vnZ2d@giganews.com...
Robibnikoff wrote:
Wow - Were you guys cousins or just a wonderful coinkydink? :)
I doubt we're very close relatives. There are at least four
generations of separation and probably many more.
Hey, whatever. I have lots of relatives and/or ancestors like that.
Right back to Y-chromosomal Adam and Mitochondrial Eve. ;-)
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| User: "Thurisaz, Germanic barbarian" |
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14 Sep 2007 11:01:16 AM |
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Geoff:
Sounds like a trip to the Fatherland is in order!
Be welcome ;)
We got to playing and I asked him where he was from. He said Germany. I
told him that my family is from Köln. He said he was from there too and he
asked me what my last name is. I told him Offermann. So he pulls out his
wallet and what do you know...Ralf Offermann.
Your clan's everywhere, eh? :)
--
"To his friend a man a friend shall prove, and gifts with gifts requite;
But men shall mocking with mockery answer, and fraud with falsehood meet."
(The Poetic Edda)
Must have been written with fundies in mind...
My personal judgment of monotheism:
http://www.carcosa.de/nojebus
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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14 Sep 2007 01:39:38 PM |
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On Fri, 14 Sep 2007 09:37:27 -0400, "Geoff" <gebobs@yahoo.nospam.com>
wrote:
Thurisaz, Germanic barbarian wrote:
Geoff:
*makes a mental list of people demanding their share of the mead
that's currently in the making over here*
Add me to that list!
I have to warn you pal... I don't add _anything_ to prevent the stuff
from eventually spoiling. None of it _has_ spoiled so far, but doing
things like sending a bottle of it overseas _might_ possibly result
in what you get not exactly being what you wanted ^^
Sounds like a trip to the Fatherland is in order!
Mildly interesting story:
My great-grandfather came to the US in 1862 (just in time to fight in the
Civil War) from Köln.
One night, I was out at the local pub and I asked a some of the fellows at
the bar if any of them wanted to shoot a game of pool. One guy said, "Ya, I
vill play."
We got to playing and I asked him where he was from. He said Germany. I told
him that my family is from Köln. He said he was from there too and he asked
me what my last name is. I told him Offermann. So he pulls out his wallet
and what do you know...Ralf Offermann.
Köln isn't exactly Unterkochen.
--
Al at Webdingers dot com
"They laughed at Newton, they laughed at Einstein, but they also laughed at
Bozo the Clown."
- Carl Sagan
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| User: "Geoff" |
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16 Sep 2007 09:30:06 AM |
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Al Klein wrote:
On Fri, 14 Sep 2007 09:37:27 -0400, "Geoff" <gebobs@yahoo.nospam.com>
wrote:
Thurisaz, Germanic barbarian wrote:
Geoff:
*makes a mental list of people demanding their share of the mead
that's currently in the making over here*
Add me to that list!
I have to warn you pal... I don't add _anything_ to prevent the
stuff from eventually spoiling. None of it _has_ spoiled so far,
but doing things like sending a bottle of it overseas _might_
possibly result in what you get not exactly being what you wanted ^^
Sounds like a trip to the Fatherland is in order!
Mildly interesting story:
My great-grandfather came to the US in 1862 (just in time to fight
in the Civil War) from Köln.
One night, I was out at the local pub and I asked a some of the
fellows at the bar if any of them wanted to shoot a game of pool.
One guy said, "Ya, I vill play."
We got to playing and I asked him where he was from. He said
Germany. I told him that my family is from Köln. He said he was from
there too and he asked me what my last name is. I told him
Offermann. So he pulls out his wallet and what do you know...Ralf
Offermann.
Köln isn't exactly Unterkochen.
Indeed, but the odds that two fellow with Köln heritage and the same
not-too-common surname happened to both decide to move to a particular
suburb of Atlanta and frequent the same pub have to be pretty steep.
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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| Title: Re: Reflections upon Christ's turning water into wine from the Atheist perspective:-) |
16 Sep 2007 05:06:08 PM |
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On Sun, 16 Sep 2007 10:30:06 -0400, "Geoff" <gebobs@yahoo.nospam.com>
wrote:
Al Klein wrote:
On Fri, 14 Sep 2007 09:37:27 -0400, "Geoff" <gebobs@yahoo.nospam.com>
wrote:
Thurisaz, Germanic barbarian wrote:
Geoff:
*makes a mental list of people demanding their share of the mead
that's currently in the making over here*
Add me to that list!
I have to warn you pal... I don't add _anything_ to prevent the
stuff from eventually spoiling. None of it _has_ spoiled so far,
but doing things like sending a bottle of it overseas _might_
possibly result in what you get not exactly being what you wanted ^^
Sounds like a trip to the Fatherland is in order!
Mildly interesting story:
My great-grandfather came to the US in 1862 (just in time to fight
in the Civil War) from Köln.
One night, I was out at the local pub and I asked a some of the
fellows at the bar if any of them wanted to shoot a game of pool.
One guy said, "Ya, I vill play."
We got to playing and I asked him where he was from. He said
Germany. I told him that my family is from Köln. He said he was from
there too and he asked me what my last name is. I told him
Offermann. So he pulls out his wallet and what do you know...Ralf
Offermann.
Köln isn't exactly Unterkochen.
Indeed, but the odds that two fellow with Köln heritage and the same
not-too-common surname happened to both decide to move to a particular
suburb of Atlanta and frequent the same pub have to be pretty steep.
One in 1862, the other in the 21st (or even mid-to-late 20th) century?
--
Al at Webdingers dot com
"They laughed at Newton, they laughed at Einstein, but they also laughed at
Bozo the Clown."
- Carl Sagan
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| User: "Geoff" |
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16 Sep 2007 08:26:49 PM |
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Al Klein wrote:
On Sun, 16 Sep 2007 10:30:06 -0400, "Geoff" <gebobs@yahoo.nospam.com>
wrote:
Al Klein wrote:
On Fri, 14 Sep 2007 09:37:27 -0400, "Geoff"
<gebobs@yahoo.nospam.com> wrote:
Thurisaz, Germanic barbarian wrote:
Geoff:
*makes a mental list of people demanding their share of the mead
that's currently in the making over here*
Add me to that list!
I have to warn you pal... I don't add _anything_ to prevent the
stuff from eventually spoiling. None of it _has_ spoiled so far,
but doing things like sending a bottle of it overseas _might_
possibly result in what you get not exactly being what you wanted
^^
Sounds like a trip to the Fatherland is in order!
Mildly interesting story:
My great-grandfather came to the US in 1862 (just in time to fight
in the Civil War) from Köln.
One night, I was out at the local pub and I asked a some of the
fellows at the bar if any of them wanted to shoot a game of pool.
One guy said, "Ya, I vill play."
We got to playing and I asked him where he was from. He said
Germany. I told him that my family is from Köln. He said he was
from there too and he asked me what my last name is. I told him
Offermann. So he pulls out his wallet and what do you know...Ralf
Offermann.
Köln isn't exactly Unterkochen.
Indeed, but the odds that two fellow with Köln heritage and the same
not-too-common surname happened to both decide to move to a
particular suburb of Atlanta and frequent the same pub have to be
pretty steep.
One in 1862, the other in the 21st (or even mid-to-late 20th) century?
No. My great-grandfather settled in Buffalo. I moved to Atlanta about 10
years ago.
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Reflections upon Christ's turning water into wine from the Atheist perspective:-) |
13 Sep 2007 01:56:57 PM |
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On 12 sep, 05:29, Eris <vith...@gmail.com> wrote:
Can you imagine the ramifications, the following day?
Christ is crushed by a mob of his fellow countrymen demanding that he
change water into wine for them!
Christ being enslaved by the Romans and shipped off to Rome to make
Italy the wine capital of the known world.
Christ being dragged to the dead sea and forced to turn it into wine,
cries of "There are no fish in it anyway" abound.
Tavern owners stone Christ to death rather than put up with anymore of
this crap.
Tomorrow, the ramifications of the Christ feeding the multitude with
three loaves of bread and five fishes in a time of scarcity.
Jesus was a Nazerite then
He wasn't allowed to touch wine,
that's why he took a sack of water instead
Only later when the time of his oath had passed
he was alllowed to touch wine. dead people and women again.
Peter van Velzen
September 2007
Amstelveen
The Netherlands
PS The story that his wife and daughter went to exile in France
does suddenly seem more plausible:)
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| User: "Larry" |
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| Title: Re: Reflections upon Christ's turning water into wine from the Atheist perspective:-) |
11 Sep 2007 11:11:08 PM |
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On Sep 11, 10:29 pm, Eris <vith...@gmail.com> wrote:
Can you imagine the ramifications, the following day?
Christ is crushed by a mob of his fellow countrymen demanding that he
change water into wine for them!
He could make a fortune today by turning water into > bottled water.
Surely
it would take less faith.
Larry
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| User: "Nosterill" |
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| Title: Re: Reflections upon Christ's turning water into wine from the Atheist perspective:-) |
12 Sep 2007 03:01:19 AM |
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On Sep 12, 4:29 am, Eris <vith...@gmail.com> wrote:
Can you imagine the ramifications, the following day?
Christ is crushed by a mob of his fellow countrymen demanding that he
change water into wine for them!
Christ being enslaved by the Romans and shipped off to Rome to make
Italy the wine capital of the known world.
Christ being dragged to the dead sea and forced to turn it into wine,
cries of "There are no fish in it anyway" abound.
Tavern owners stone Christ to death rather than put up with anymore of
this crap.
And what about all the tax and duty implications?
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