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"Martin Phipps" |
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24 Dec 2006 05:02:40 AM |
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Religion is a disease |
Christianity, Islam, the Jewish faith, all monothesist religions teach
people that they are better than others and that only they are going to
heaven. Religion may yet be the death of us all.
http://www.nobeliefs.com
Martin
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24 Dec 2006 05:19:15 AM |
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"Martin Phipps" <martinphipps2@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Christianity, Islam, the Jewish faith, all monothesist religions teach
people that they are better than others and that only they are going to
heaven. Religion may yet be the death of us all.
http://www.nobeliefs.com
Martin
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24 Dec 2006 07:10:36 PM |
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"Bill Kawalec" <billkawalec@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Careful...your 'faith' is showing. Changing the subject to 'bash' your
opponent, when you can't get your way is childish. Hypocrite.
www.Shemakhan.com
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29 Dec 2006 08:57:16 AM |
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I fixed your title. You're welcome.
Martin Phipps wrote:
Christianity, Islam, the Jewish faith, all monothesist religions teach
people that they are better than others and that only they are going to
heaven. Religion may yet be the death of us all.
http://www.nobeliefs.com
Martin
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24 Dec 2006 07:14:23 PM |
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In <1166958160.741907.221810@f1g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, on 12/24/06
at 03:02 AM, "Martin Phipps" <martinphipps2@yahoo.com> said:
Christianity, Islam, the Jewish faith, all monothesist religions teach
people that they are better than others and that only they are going to
heaven. Religion may yet be the death of us all.
Actually, Judaism teaches that righteous gentiles go to heaven. Perhaps
that's why Judaism isn't a prosletyzing religion, and was never spread at
the point of a sword (which may explain why there are so few Jews in the
world, whereas the religions which sprung from Judaism both have billions
of adherents total in their various sects.
Alan
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| User: "Lookingglass" |
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24 Dec 2006 07:58:34 PM |
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It is difficult for people of faith to be told that the 'thing' they have
been taught since childhood...the 'thing' they hang on to... is
untrue...particularly when part of that 'system' of belief teaches that if
you DO NOT follow the established precepts, you will be "damned to
Hell"...or a variation of that theme.
I am a born-again atheist and a recovering Catholic. I began questioning my
'faith' many years ago, but it took a 'leap of faith' to get past that
condemning mind-set that is instilled us as a child. I understand how a
person of faith can be torn between that belief and the 'cold truth' that is
presented to him/her in real time. It is an absolute clash of nature.
"Check your brains at the door and pick up your crayons!" is a favorite
quote by a local radio personality with a show about GOD and all the related
subjects every Sunday morning. I believe he is the product of a Jesuit
Seminary...but most folk forgive him! He is a 'thinking' believer...!?! I
wouldn't care to get caught between his ears...I don't know how he makes
that work. But he has fun with the 'true-believers' that call into his
show...and we listeners get a kick out of it as well. But for all that, he
IS a believer. Go figure.
I don't think anyone appreciates being made a fool of...I didn't appreciate
it as I 'grew up'. It is a bitter pill to swallow.
I was pissed...for a very long time.
www.Shemakhan.com
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| User: "fishandchips" |
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24 Dec 2006 08:03:24 PM |
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Lookingglass wrote:
It is difficult for people of faith to be told that the 'thing' they have
been taught since childhood...the 'thing' they hang on to... is
untrue...particularly when part of that 'system' of belief teaches that if
you DO NOT follow the established precepts, you will be "damned to
Hell"...or a variation of that theme.
I am a born-again atheist and a recovering Catholic. I began questioning my
'faith' many years ago, but it took a 'leap of faith' to get past that
condemning mind-set that is instilled us as a child. I understand how a
person of faith can be torn between that belief and the 'cold truth' that is
presented to him/her in real time. It is an absolute clash of nature.
"Check your brains at the door and pick up your crayons!" is a favorite
quote by a local radio personality with a show about GOD and all the related
subjects every Sunday morning. I believe he is the product of a Jesuit
Seminary...but most folk forgive him! He is a 'thinking' believer...!?! I
wouldn't care to get caught between his ears...I don't know how he makes
that work. But he has fun with the 'true-believers' that call into his
show...and we listeners get a kick out of it as well. But for all that, he
IS a believer. Go figure.
I don't think anyone appreciates being made a fool of...I didn't appreciate
it as I 'grew up'. It is a bitter pill to swallow.
I was pissed...for a very long time.
Bush won't listen to anyone, but talks to God. THAT is scary
www.Shemakhan.com
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| User: "=?iso-8859-1?q?M=F6bius_Pretzel?=" |
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24 Dec 2006 08:07:06 PM |
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fishandchips wrote:
Bush won't listen to anyone, but talks to God. THAT is scary
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Talking to god is not so scary.
What's scary is that Bush says god talks to him.
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24 Dec 2006 08:12:28 PM |
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M=F6bius Pretzel wrote:
fishandchips wrote:
Bush won't listen to anyone, but talks to God. THAT is scary
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Talking to god is not so scary.
What's scary is that Bush says god talks to him.
either way, Bush will have turkey grease dripping down his stuttering
chin as our boy's and girl's dodge bullets. I wonder what god tells
him........"good job son" ? I know his father doesn't.
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29 Dec 2006 05:45:29 PM |
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fishandchips wrote:
Möbius Pretzel wrote:
Talking to god is not so scary.
What's scary is that Bush says god talks to him.
'When you talk to God, it's prayer. When God talks to you, it's
schizophrenia.'
either way, Bush will have turkey grease dripping down his stuttering
chin as our boy's and girl's dodge bullets.
Many fired by ***** Cheney.
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http://spclsd223.livejournal.com/
'Just 'cause he says I hit him doesn't make it true. Watch. "I am
surrounded by naked cheerleaders." See?' --Dr Gregory House
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| User: "IBen Getiner" |
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27 Dec 2006 03:44:19 AM |
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Martin Phipps wrote:
Christianity, Islam, the Jewish faith, all monothesist religions teach
people that they are better than others and that only they are going to
heaven. Religion may yet be the death of us all.
http://www.nobeliefs.com
Martin
What a shallow little ***** YOU fucking are.....
IBen Getiner
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| User: "Martin Phipps" |
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27 Dec 2006 04:36:29 AM |
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IBen Getiner wrote:
Martin Phipps wrote:
Christianity, Islam, the Jewish faith, all monothesist religions teach
people that they are better than others and that only they are going to
heaven. Religion may yet be the death of us all.
http://www.nobeliefs.com
Martin
What a shallow little ***** YOU fucking are.....
Such language!
Was there a point you were trying to make? If not then shut the hell
up.
Martin
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| User: "Bill Kawalec" |
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27 Dec 2006 05:08:05 AM |
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"Martin Phipps" <martinphipps2@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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IBen Getiner wrote:
Martin Phipps wrote:
Christianity, Islam, the Jewish faith, all monothesist religions teach
people that they are better than others and that only they are going to
heaven. Religion may yet be the death of us all.
http://www.nobeliefs.com
Martin
What a shallow little ***** YOU fucking are.....
Such language!
Was there a point you were trying to make? If not then shut the hell
up.
Martin
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27 Dec 2006 05:25:46 AM |
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and an immature one at that!
Martin
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| User: "TookieLives" |
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27 Dec 2006 05:05:25 AM |
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In article <1167212659.756022.238230@n51g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>,
"IBen Getiner" <Lappcatt@aol.com> wrote:
What a shallow little ***** YOU fucking are.....
And yet still not shallower than *ANY* religious person.
Religion is for idiots.
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24 Dec 2006 09:27:40 PM |
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Martin Phipps wrote:
Christianity, Islam, the Jewish faith, all monothesist religions teach
people that they are better than others and that only they are going to
heaven. Religion may yet be the death of us all.
http://www.nobeliefs.com
Martin
Why are religious people such trolls?
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From: Martin Phipps - view profile
Date: Sun, Dec 24 2006 6:43 pm
Email: "Martin Phipps" <martinphip...@yahoo.com>
Groups: alt.atheism, alt.politics.homosexuality, alt.politics.bush,
rec.music.beatles, rec.arts.tv
Rating: (1 user)
Seriously.
People, stop feeding the troll!
http://www.nobeliefs.com
Martin
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Yes Martin, why are you such a religious troll?
- Rich
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24 Dec 2006 09:58:11 PM |
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wrote:
Martin Phipps wrote:
Christianity, Islam, the Jewish faith, all monothesist religions teach
people that they are better than others and that only they are going to
heaven. Religion may yet be the death of us all.
http://www.nobeliefs.com
Martin
Why are religious people such trolls?
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From: Martin Phipps - view profile
Date: Sun, Dec 24 2006 6:43 pm
Email: "Martin Phipps" <martinphip...@yahoo.com>
Groups: alt.atheism, alt.politics.homosexuality, alt.politics.bush,
rec.music.beatles, rec.arts.tv
Rating: (1 user)
Seriously.
People, stop feeding the troll!
http://www.nobeliefs.com
Martin
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Yes Martin, why are you such a religious troll?
I'm not a troll. I just like to imagine there are neither countries
nor religion and nothing to kill or die for. Come on, it's easy if you
try! You may say I'm a dreamer but I beet I'm not the only one. :)
Martin
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25 Dec 2006 12:01:32 AM |
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Martin Phipps wrote:
getrich@1upandup.com wrote:
Martin Phipps wrote:
Christianity, Islam, the Jewish faith, all monothesist religions teach
people that they are better than others and that only they are going to
heaven. Religion may yet be the death of us all.
http://www.nobeliefs.com
Martin
I'm not a troll. I just like to imagine there are neither countries
nor religion and nothing to kill or die for. Come on, it's easy if you
try! You may say I'm a dreamer but I beet I'm not the only one. :)
Martin
You do the above trolling rant, and also post for people not to troll
about religion. Look at what you posted to. What does rec.arts.tv
have to do about it? I can understand MAYBE the beatles with the song
"Imagine", but rec.arts.tv? Come on.
Also, if there is nothing you would die for, then there is nothing you
are living for, outside of the desire to keep living. Being willing to
die for something doesn't mean you go about taking out other people
with you.
- Rich
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27 Dec 2006 09:49:41 AM |
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Martin Phipps wrote:
Christianity, Islam, the Jewish faith, all monothesist religions teach
people that they are better than others and that only they are going to
heaven. Religion may yet be the death of us all.
http://www.nobeliefs.com
Martin
keep your eye on newt gingrich next year...
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09 Jan 2007 04:14:44 AM |
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mcnews wrote:
keep your eye on newt gingrich next year...
Yeah, witches have been using eye of newt for centuries.
Oh, ON. Never mind.
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http://spclsd223.livejournal.com/
'Pinkies are supposed to be pink, right? They're not called grayies.'
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24 Dec 2006 05:11:17 AM |
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Martin Phipps wrote:
Christianity, Islam, the Jewish faith, all monothesist religions teach
people that they are better than others and that only they are going to
heaven. Religion may yet be the death of us all.
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The type of religion you describe is an *effect* of a human
consciouness disease.
Were there no religion, humans would find another pretense
to hate others and think that they are better.
(i.e. racism, nationalism, etc.)
http://www.nobeliefs.com
Martin
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24 Dec 2006 05:21:27 AM |
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"Möbius Pretzel" <M0bius_0_Pretzel@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Martin Phipps wrote:
Christianity, Islam, the Jewish faith, all monothesist religions teach
people that they are better than others and that only they are going to
heaven. Religion may yet be the death of us all.
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The type of religion you describe is an *effect* of a human
consciouness disease.
Were there no religion, humans would find another pretense
to hate others and think that they are better.
(i.e. racism, nationalism, etc.)
why do so few grasp the big picture? well, it's that need, as you say, to
blame something or someone. Can't be Marty Phipps, so it must be something
else. Of course, Marty is incapable of grasping that he's doing the very
thing he's caliming to be opposed to.
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I never read email at the Yahoo address!
http://www.nobeliefs.com
Martin
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24 Dec 2006 08:36:55 AM |
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M=F6bius Pretzel wrote:
Martin Phipps wrote:
Christianity, Islam, the Jewish faith, all monothesist religions teach
people that they are better than others and that only they are going to
heaven. Religion may yet be the death of us all.
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The type of religion you describe is an *effect* of a human
consciouness disease.
Were there no religion, humans would find another pretense
to hate others and think that they are better.
(i.e. racism, nationalism, etc.)
People always have done this, and, so long as they were in smallish
groups, managed only to kill off fairly few folks in the process--the
border skirmish level of conflict is pretty much imposed upon them by
their numbers. Religion is a social organizing force, and patently is
capable of drawing the "us" into nations and supernations of millions
against the "them" of equivalent numbers. We have probably always had
war of one sort or another, but I doubt that _world_ wars are possible
without faith. considering the multinational character of them, the
crusades themselves may be considered early world wars. Catchy title,
"crusade", isn't it?
Religion offers a rather phoney unifying "solution" to racism: god
loves everybody, we are told, even if your skin is the wrong color. So
we spread the word to the unwashed, often by force and intimidation,
and then encourage them to attend their "own" churches. Blacks have
often commented that the most segregation in the U.S. occurs on Sunday
mornings.
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24 Dec 2006 05:38:11 AM |
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M=F6bius Pretzel wrote:
Martin Phipps wrote:
Christianity, Islam, the Jewish faith, all monothesist religions teach
people that they are better than others and that only they are going to
heaven. Religion may yet be the death of us all.
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The type of religion you describe is an *effect* of a human
consciouness disease.
Were there no religion, humans would find another pretense
to hate others and think that they are better.
(i.e. racism, nationalism, etc.)
While it is true that that does happen, religion tends to be the worst
example of this, and leads to problems where there would otherwise be
none. A line I've used before is this;
To refuse to fight religion as there are other sources of evil in the
world is like refusing to fight malaria because yellow fever is also
unpleasant.
--
Lucifer the Unsubtle, EAC Librarian of Dark Tomes of Excessive Evil and
General Purpose Igor
The Anti-Theist
Convicted by Earthquack
"Don't worry, I won't bite.......hard"
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http://www.nobeliefs.com
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Martin
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24 Dec 2006 05:41:37 AM |
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"Lucifer" <wyrdology@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1166960291.547167.294960@42g2000cwt.googlegroups.com...
Möbius Pretzel wrote:
Martin Phipps wrote:
Christianity, Islam, the Jewish faith, all monothesist religions teach
people that they are better than others and that only they are going to
heaven. Religion may yet be the death of us all.
.
The type of religion you describe is an *effect* of a human
consciouness disease.
Were there no religion, humans would find another pretense
to hate others and think that they are better.
(i.e. racism, nationalism, etc.)
While it is true that that does happen, religion tends to be the worst
example of this, and leads to problems where there would otherwise be
none. A line I've used before is this;
To refuse to fight religion as there are other sources of evil in the
world is like refusing to fight malaria because yellow fever is also
unpleasant.
....thus proving that you're just another douchebag. PLEASE, mr. l, tell me
what's the difference between your hate for religion, and the hate that SOME
religious folks have for gays?? THERE IS NO DIFFERENCE, mr.
brainless!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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I never read email at the Yahoo address!
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I never read email at the Yahoo address!
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Lucifer the Unsubtle, EAC Librarian of Dark Tomes of Excessive Evil and
General Purpose Igor
The Anti-Theist
Convicted by Earthquack
"Don't worry, I won't bite.......hard"
http://www.nobeliefs.com
Martin
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24 Dec 2006 05:50:28 AM |
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Bill Kawalec wrote:
"Lucifer" <wyrdology@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1166960291.547167.294960@42g2000cwt.googlegroups.com...
M=F6bius Pretzel wrote:
Martin Phipps wrote:
Christianity, Islam, the Jewish faith, all monothesist religions teach
people that they are better than others and that only they are going =
to
heaven. Religion may yet be the death of us all.
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The type of religion you describe is an *effect* of a human
consciouness disease.
Were there no religion, humans would find another pretense
to hate others and think that they are better.
(i.e. racism, nationalism, etc.)
While it is true that that does happen, religion tends to be the worst
example of this, and leads to problems where there would otherwise be
none. A line I've used before is this;
To refuse to fight religion as there are other sources of evil in the
world is like refusing to fight malaria because yellow fever is also
unpleasant.
...thus proving that you're just another douchebag. PLEASE, mr. l, tell me
what's the difference between your hate for religion, and the hate that S=
OME
religious folks have for gays?? THERE IS NO DIFFERENCE, mr.
brainless!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
If you are going to use ad homs, you might as well make them either
witty or elegant. Yours were neither.
I hate people who hate, they hate people for doing what they want to do
with eachother, affecting no one else. If they stopped hating, so I
would not in turn hate them. It's as simple as that.
Incidentally, while I do hate fundies, and the institution of religion,
typically I do not hate individual members of most religions. I would
never go beyond words in these issues, something the homophobic fundies
do frequently.
--
Lucifer the Unsubtle, EAC Librarian of Dark Tomes of Excessive Evil and
General Purpose Igor
The Anti-Theist
Convicted by Earthquack
"Don't worry, I won't bite.......hard"
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I never read email at the Yahoo address!
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I never read email at the Yahoo address!
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Lucifer the Unsubtle, EAC Librarian of Dark Tomes of Excessive Evil and
General Purpose Igor
The Anti-Theist
Convicted by Earthquack
"Don't worry, I won't bite.......hard"
=20
http://www.nobeliefs.com
Martin
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24 Dec 2006 11:44:25 PM |
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"Lucifer" <wyrdology@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1166961028.124844.151180@a3g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...
Bill Kawalec wrote:
"Lucifer" <wyrdology@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1166960291.547167.294960@42g2000cwt.googlegroups.com...
Möbius Pretzel wrote:
Martin Phipps wrote:
Christianity, Islam, the Jewish faith, all monothesist religions teach
people that they are better than others and that only they are going
to
heaven. Religion may yet be the death of us all.
.
The type of religion you describe is an *effect* of a human
consciouness disease.
Were there no religion, humans would find another pretense
to hate others and think that they are better.
(i.e. racism, nationalism, etc.)
While it is true that that does happen, religion tends to be the worst
example of this, and leads to problems where there would otherwise be
none. A line I've used before is this;
To refuse to fight religion as there are other sources of evil in the
world is like refusing to fight malaria because yellow fever is also
unpleasant.
...thus proving that you're just another douchebag. PLEASE, mr. l, tell me
what's the difference between your hate for religion, and the hate that
SOME
religious folks have for gays?? THERE IS NO DIFFERENCE, mr.
brainless!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
If you are going to use ad homs, you might as well make them either
witty or elegant. Yours were neither.
I hate people who hate, they hate people for doing what they want to do
with eachother, affecting no one else. If they stopped hating, so I
would not in turn hate them. It's as simple as that.
Incidentally, while I do hate fundies, and the institution of religion,
typically I do not hate individual members of most religions. I would
never go beyond words in these issues, something the homophobic fundies
do frequently.
yer so full-o-***** you stink.
--
I never read email at the Yahoo address!
--
Lucifer the Unsubtle, EAC Librarian of Dark Tomes of Excessive Evil and
General Purpose Igor
The Anti-Theist
Convicted by Earthquack
"Don't worry, I won't bite.......hard"
--
I never read email at the Yahoo address!
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I never read email at the Yahoo address!
--
Lucifer the Unsubtle, EAC Librarian of Dark Tomes of Excessive Evil and
General Purpose Igor
The Anti-Theist
Convicted by Earthquack
"Don't worry, I won't bite.......hard"
http://www.nobeliefs.com
Martin
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24 Dec 2006 05:55:28 AM |
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M=F6bius Pretzel wrote:
Martin Phipps wrote:
Christianity, Islam, the Jewish faith, all monothesist religions teach
people that they are better than others and that only they are going to
heaven. Religion may yet be the death of us all.
The type of religion you describe is an *effect* of a human
consciouness disease.
Were there no religion, humans would find another pretense
to hate others and think that they are better.
(i.e. racism, nationalism, etc.)
RE:
'=2E.. humans would find another pretense to hate others
and think that they are better..."
Very true.
Which came first ? Did not religion evolve from
human differences and fear of strangers [ 'xenophobia' ]
Did religion create original nationalism and racism?
Racism?
In its modern form, racism evolved in tandem with European exploration
and conquest of ... usually under the guise of xenophobia, the fear of
strangers.
In the Christian nationalist vision of America, non-believers would be
free to worship as they choose, as long as they know their place
"While it is true that the United States of America was founded on the
sacred principle of religious freedom for all, that liberty was never
intended to exalt other religions to the level that Christianity holds
in our country's heritage...Our founders expected that Christianity --
and no other religion -- would receive support from the government as
long as that support did not violate peoples' consciences and their
right to worship. They would have found utterly incredible the idea
that all religions, including paganism, be treated with equal
deference."
..=2E.Religious institutions exist to maintain particular threads
of social integrity.
Christianity is a religion. Christian nationalism is a political
program, and there is nothing sacred about it.
For discussion:
See; What is Christian nationalism?
By Michelle Goldberg
topic: Church/State Separation
http://www.talk2action.org/story/2006/5/11/151212/239
Harvard panel sets aside plan on religion
By Marcella Bombardieri, Globe Staff | December 13, 2006
http://www.boston.com/news/local/articles/2006/12/13/harvard_panel_sets_asi=
de_plan_on_religion/
Professors designing a new curriculum for undergraduates at Harvard
University have rescinded their proposal that all students take a class
dealing with religion.
Harvard made waves in October when the task force released a
preliminary redesign for general education -- the requirements imposed
on students outside their major -- that included a category called
"reason and faith."
The original proposal said students often struggle to make sense of the
relationship between their own religious beliefs and the secular and
intellectual world they encounter in college.
It also noted that wars are fought in the name of religion and that the
topic is central to some of the most contentious contemporary debates,
over evolution, stem-cell research, and same-sex marriage. It said
"reason and faith" courses were not meant to be "religious
apologetics," but examinations of cultural and social context.
Professors in Harvard's Faculty of Arts and Sciences have spent the
last two months debating the general education proposal, which
emphasizes what students need to know to be responsible citizens in
society. Several professors had objected to the religion category,
saying that it gave too much emphasis to only one of many important
forces shaping the world.
"If this is meant to educate students about the role of religion in
history and current affairs, why isn't it just a part of the 'US and
the World' requirement?" asked psychology professor Steven Pinker in
October in an essay in the Harvard Crimson Oct. 27. "Religion is an
important force, to be sure, but so are nationalism, ethnicity,
socialism, markets, nepotism, class, and globalization. Why single
religion out among all the major forces in history?"
Alison Simmons, a philosophy professor and cochairwoman of the general
education task force, said her group did not make the switch because of
objections to the topic. Rather, she said, they were convinced by their
colleagues that the subject would be adequately covered by other
categories, including the moral reasoning requirement and requirements
covering society in the United States and abroad.
"What it means to be a human being" is an attempt to cover important
aspects of the humanities that received less focus in the original
proposal, Simmons said, and is not meant as a direct substitute for
religion.
The move is sure to disappoint people both inside and outside Harvard
who were excited to see the subject considered for elevation to an
important place in the curriculum.
"I think secular and liberal Harvard rebelled," government professor
Harvey Mansfield, one of the campus's most outspoken conservatives,
said last night.
The task force plans to release a final proposal in January. The entire
arts and sciences faculty will then decide whether and how to implement
their report.
Marcella Bombardieri can be reached at bombardieri@globe.com.
=A9 Copyright 2006 Globe Newspaper Company.
http://www.nobeliefs.com=20
Martin
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"Raymond" <Bluerhymer@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1166961328.113383.69100@f1g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
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Did religion create original nationalism and racism?
Yes--certainly in large part.
Gawd...I hate you all! :)
....tonyC
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24 Dec 2006 10:09:43 AM |
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Anthony Cerrato wrote:
"Raymond" <Bluerhymer@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1166961328.113383.69100@f1g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
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Did religion create original nationalism and racism?
Yes--certainly in large part.
Gawd...I hate you all! :)
...tonyC
You are part of God's grand plan also..
He determined to also create screw-ups.
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24 Dec 2006 10:07:11 AM |
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Raymond wrote:
M=F6bius Pretzel wrote:
Martin Phipps wrote:
Christianity, Islam, the Jewish faith, all monothesist religions teach
people that they are better than others and that only they are going =
to
heaven. Religion may yet be the death of us all.
The type of religion you describe is an *effect* of a human
consciouness disease.
Were there no religion, humans would find another pretense
to hate others and think that they are better.
(i.e. racism, nationalism, etc.)
RE:
'... humans would find another pretense to hate others
and think that they are better..."
Very true.
Which came first ? Did not religion evolve from
human differences and fear of strangers [ 'xenophobia' ]
Did religion create original nationalism and racism?
No. Religion is not the only reason people hate each other. But
hatred feeds hatred. The only cure to hatred is reason. Logic tells
us that we are all brothers. Religion tells people that they are the
"chosen ones".
Martin
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