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Religions > Atheism |
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"john p" |
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19 Jun 2007 02:36:58 AM |
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Religion: true, false or useful? |
"Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as
false, and by rulers as useful."
--Lucius Annaeus Seneca
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| User: "John Manning" |
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| Title: Re: Religion: true, false or useful? |
23 Jun 2007 07:50:23 AM |
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Greg wrote:
"Christopher A.Lee" <calee@optonline.net> wrote in message
news:6d7n7319sc51cljccrvg8h7r8qoulddjgp@4ax.com...
On Fri, 22 Jun 2007 19:56:56 +1000, "Greg"
<grandall11@optusnet(dot)com(dot)au> wrote:
"john p" <john.phile@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1182354013.144568.67820@i38g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
On Jun 20, 4:38 am, wrote:
On Jun 20, 1:09 pm, "Greg" <grandall11@optusnet(dot)com(dot)au>
wrote:
"Christopher A.Lee" <c...@optonline.net> wrote in message
Joh 8:47 He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore
hear
[them]
not, because ye are not of God.
A brainwashed liar as well as an idiot, stupidly hiding behind a
bible
he knows is worthless outside his religion.
Notice how the simple Word of God is ALL POWERFUL, it cuts to the
heart,
pentrates sin, draws out iniquity.Cleanses
.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The sinner cannot help but be insulted and reply with insult when
attention
is drawn to the natural state of man.
Deep within them something has begun, a seed has been sown, beyond
their
understanding. They wonder why they are drawn to Christ even at
this
stage
of childishly insulting Him whom can bring them life and Joy.
Unbeknownst to
them (now or in 30 years it makes no difference, but doing it now
allevaites
mass suffering), but all in Gods plan another pagan has begun a
journey to
worshiping The Name above All names. Jesus Christ.
Heb 4:12 For the word of God [is] quick, and powerful, and sharper
than any
twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and
spirit,
and of the joints and marrow, and [is] a discerner of the thoughts
and
intents of the heart.
Praise be to Him, Christ Jesus whom makes them bow even after they
Blaspheme
His name a THOUSAND times.
Halleluja !!!!!!!
What is it with you morons?- Hide quoted text -
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You're entitled to your belief, and we are entitled to ours.
I think Jesus is a fictional character representing morality tales
that are quite good.
If I am wrong, and he is the all loving, all forgiving Son of God
then
I still don't have to worry about it because God is
"benevolent"...which means "all forgiving", which means that no
matter
what I say or do God/Jesus will forgive me.
It's a win win situation surely?
Well done!
You just said well done for him choosing spiritual death & hell ? thats
not
very nice.
Where did he do that, liar?
Sadly its NOT a win win for people like you.
God/Jesus is ONLY all forgiving of those that accept Him. The rest get
what
This the real world, moron, not your deluded fantasy.
they deserve Judgment and eternal seperation from God (seperation from
ALL
good, which leaves ALL that is not good) IE eternal suffering in hell
for
their sins.
Idiot.
Idiot.
What kind of retard is so stupid he cites the Bible as though it meant
anything in the real world outside your religion?
You just proved the Bible correct in one way, your spirit spitting hate and
venom writing such things is evil.You need a saviour to get a change of
spirit to clean one.
Greg is the one who hates. He's a bigot who hates people just because
they are Muslims.
Greg
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| User: "Greg grandall11@optusnetdotcomdotau" |
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| Title: Re: Religion: true, false or useful? |
25 Jun 2007 04:19:16 AM |
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"John Manning" <jrobertm@terra.com.br> wrote in message
news:QI6dnT2vGMbHiuDbnZ2dnUVZ_gmdnZ2d@giganews.com...
Greg is the one who hates. He's a bigot who hates people just because
they are Muslims.
John , not only have you sunk to new lows with your lies, but you have
become a stalker through your hate.
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| User: "John Manning" |
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| Title: Re: Religion: true, false or useful? |
25 Jun 2007 07:58:31 AM |
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Greg wrote:
"John Manning" <jrobertm@terra.com.br> wrote in message
news:QI6dnT2vGMbHiuDbnZ2dnUVZ_gmdnZ2d@giganews.com...
Greg is the one who hates. He's a bigot who hates people just because
they are Muslims.
John , not only have you sunk to new lows with your lies, but you have
become a stalker through your hate.
And Greg will say anything rather than admit, even to himself, that he's
a bigot.
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| User: "Michael Gray" |
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| Title: Re: Religion: true, false or useful? |
23 Jun 2007 12:46:33 AM |
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On Sat, 23 Jun 2007 13:17:46 +1000, "Greg"
<grandall11@optusnet(dot)com(dot)au> wrote:
- Refer: <467c90db$0$14825$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au>
"Christopher A.Lee" <calee@optonline.net> wrote in message
news:6d7n7319sc51cljccrvg8h7r8qoulddjgp@4ax.com...
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Idiot.
What kind of retard is so stupid he cites the Bible as though it meant
anything in the real world outside your religion?
You just proved the Bible correct in one way, your spirit spitting hate and
venom writing such things is evil.You need a saviour to get a change of
spirit to clean one.
Greg
You smarmy sanctimonious git.
You need to grow up and cease believing in juvenile fairy stories.
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| User: "Free Lunch" |
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| Title: Re: Religion: true, false or useful? |
22 Jun 2007 10:23:42 PM |
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On Sat, 23 Jun 2007 13:17:46 +1000, in alt.atheism
"Greg" <grandall11@optusnet(dot)com(dot)au> wrote in
<467c90db$0$14825$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au>:
"Christopher A.Lee" <calee@optonline.net> wrote in message
news:6d7n7319sc51cljccrvg8h7r8qoulddjgp@4ax.com...
On Fri, 22 Jun 2007 19:56:56 +1000, "Greg"
<grandall11@optusnet(dot)com(dot)au> wrote:
"john p" <john.phile@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1182354013.144568.67820@i38g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
On Jun 20, 4:38 am, wrote:
On Jun 20, 1:09 pm, "Greg" <grandall11@optusnet(dot)com(dot)au>
wrote:
"Christopher A.Lee" <c...@optonline.net> wrote in message
Joh 8:47 He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore
hear
[them]
not, because ye are not of God.
A brainwashed liar as well as an idiot, stupidly hiding behind a
bible
he knows is worthless outside his religion.
Notice how the simple Word of God is ALL POWERFUL, it cuts to the
heart,
pentrates sin, draws out iniquity.Cleanses
.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The sinner cannot help but be insulted and reply with insult when
attention
is drawn to the natural state of man.
Deep within them something has begun, a seed has been sown, beyond
their
understanding. They wonder why they are drawn to Christ even at
this
stage
of childishly insulting Him whom can bring them life and Joy.
Unbeknownst to
them (now or in 30 years it makes no difference, but doing it now
allevaites
mass suffering), but all in Gods plan another pagan has begun a
journey to
worshiping The Name above All names. Jesus Christ.
Heb 4:12 For the word of God [is] quick, and powerful, and sharper
than any
twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and
spirit,
and of the joints and marrow, and [is] a discerner of the thoughts
and
intents of the heart.
Praise be to Him, Christ Jesus whom makes them bow even after they
Blaspheme
His name a THOUSAND times.
Halleluja !!!!!!!
What is it with you morons?- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
You're entitled to your belief, and we are entitled to ours.
I think Jesus is a fictional character representing morality tales
that are quite good.
If I am wrong, and he is the all loving, all forgiving Son of God
then
I still don't have to worry about it because God is
"benevolent"...which means "all forgiving", which means that no
matter
what I say or do God/Jesus will forgive me.
It's a win win situation surely?
Well done!
You just said well done for him choosing spiritual death & hell ? thats
not
very nice.
Where did he do that, liar?
Sadly its NOT a win win for people like you.
God/Jesus is ONLY all forgiving of those that accept Him. The rest get
what
This the real world, moron, not your deluded fantasy.
they deserve Judgment and eternal seperation from God (seperation from
ALL
good, which leaves ALL that is not good) IE eternal suffering in hell
for
their sins.
Idiot.
Idiot.
What kind of retard is so stupid he cites the Bible as though it meant
anything in the real world outside your religion?
You just proved the Bible correct in one way, your spirit spitting hate and
venom writing such things is evil.You need a saviour to get a change of
spirit to clean one.
You flunked Introductory Logic, didn't you.
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| User: "Greg grandall11@optusnetdotcomdotau" |
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| Title: Re: Religion: true, false or useful? |
20 Jun 2007 07:05:41 AM |
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"Christopher A.Lee" <calee@optonline.net> wrote in message
Joh 8:47 He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear [them]
not, because ye are not of God.
A brainwashed liar as well as an idiot, stupidly hiding behind a bible
he knows is worthless outside his religion.
Notice how the simple Word of God is ALL POWERFUL, it cuts to the heart,
pentrates sin, draws out iniquity.Cleanses .!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The sinner cannot help but be insulted and reply with insult when attention
is drawn to the natural state of man.
Deep within them something has begun, a seed has been sown, beyond their
understanding. They wonder why they are drawn to Christ even at this stage
of childishly insulting Him whom can bring them life and Joy. Unbeknownst to
them (npw or 30 years it makes no difference but doing it now allevaites
mass suffering), but all in Gods plan another pagan has begun a journey to
worshiping The Name above All names. Jesus Christ.
Heb 4:12 For the word of God [is] quick, and powerful, and sharper than any
twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit,
and of the joints and marrow, and [is] a discerner of the thoughts and
intents of the heart.
Praise be to Him, Christ Jesus whom makes them bow even after they Blaspheme
His name a THOUSAND times.
Halleluja !!!!!!!
What is it with you morons?
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| User: "Hatter" |
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| Title: Re: Religion: true, false or useful? |
20 Jun 2007 08:19:08 AM |
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On Jun 20, 8:05 am, "Greg" <grandall11@optusnet(dot)com(dot)au> wrote:
"Christopher A.Lee" <c...@optonline.net> wrote in message
Joh 8:47 He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear [them]
not, because ye are not of God.
A brainwashed liar as well as an idiot, stupidly hiding behind a bible
he knows is worthless outside his religion.
Notice how the simple Word of God is ALL POWERFUL, it cuts to the heart,
pentrates sin, draws out iniquity.Cleanses .!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The sinner cannot help but be insulted and reply with insult when attention
is drawn to the natural state of man.
Deep within them something has begun, a seed has been sown, beyond their
understanding. They wonder why they are drawn to Christ even at this stage
of childishly insulting Him whom can bring them life and Joy. Unbeknownst to
them (npw or 30 years it makes no difference but doing it now allevaites
mass suffering), but all in Gods plan another pagan has begun a journey to
worshiping The Name above All names. Jesus Christ.
Heb 4:12 For the word of God [is] quick, and powerful, and sharper than any
twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit,
and of the joints and marrow, and [is] a discerner of the thoughts and
intents of the heart.
Praise be to Him, Christ Jesus whom makes them bow even after they Blaspheme
His name a THOUSAND times.
Halleluja !!!!!!!
What is it with you morons?- Hide quoted text -
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Wow that was some sure poetic non-sensical bleating. Are you even
capable of a coherent argument?
Hatter
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| User: "Christopher A.Lee" |
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| Title: Re: Religion: true, false or useful? |
20 Jun 2007 07:44:17 AM |
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On Wed, 20 Jun 2007 22:05:41 +1000, "Greg"
<grandall11@optusnet(dot)com(dot)au> wrote:
"Christopher A.Lee" <calee@optonline.net> wrote in message
Joh 8:47 He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear [them]
not, because ye are not of God.
A brainwashed liar as well as an idiot, stupidly hiding behind a bible
he knows is worthless outside his religion.
Notice how the simple Word of God is ALL POWERFUL, it cuts to the heart,
pentrates sin, draws out iniquity.Cleanses .!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
What "simple word of God", brainwashed moron?
The sinner cannot help but be insulted and reply with insult when attention
is drawn to the natural state of man.
Yet more personal slanders, lies and nastiness.
Deep within them something has begun, a seed has been sown, beyond their
understanding. They wonder why they are drawn to Christ even at this stage
Don't be so fucking stupid.
of childishly insulting Him whom can bring them life and Joy. Unbeknownst to
Nobody is doing that, brainwashed lying moron. It's merely somebody
else's religious belief that nobody would give a flying ***** about if
you had the sense and courtesy to keep it where it is appropriate, ie
among fellow believers.
But you psychopaths can't do that, and then lie through your teeth
about the reaction.
them (npw or 30 years it makes no difference but doing it now allevaites
mass suffering), but all in Gods plan another pagan has begun a journey to
worshiping The Name above All names. Jesus Christ.
A liar as well as an idiot.
Heb 4:12 For the word of God [is] quick, and powerful, and sharper than any
twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit,
and of the joints and marrow, and [is] a discerner of the thoughts and
intents of the heart.
What the ***** has that got to with anything outside your religion,
deliberately stupid, in-your-face psychopath?
Praise be to Him, Christ Jesus whom makes them bow even after they Blaspheme
His name a THOUSAND times.
A liar as well as an idiot. Nobody is blaspheming - they'd have to
believe it to that. This is there real world outside your religion.
Halleluja !!!!!!!
Moron.
What is it with you morons?
You gave a perfect example. And we would never have known you were one
if you had the sense to keep your idiocy to yourself.
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| User: "Michael Gray" |
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| Title: Re: Religion: true, false or useful? |
20 Jun 2007 07:03:10 PM |
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On Wed, 20 Jun 2007 08:44:17 -0400, Christopher A.Lee
<calee@optonline.net> wrote:
- Refer: <1s7i73ln1h4f0tp0hup09o6o6tl98c49pd@4ax.com>
On Wed, 20 Jun 2007 22:05:41 +1000, "Greg"
<grandall11@optusnet(dot)com(dot)au> wrote:
"Christopher A.Lee" <calee@optonline.net> wrote in message
Joh 8:47 He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear [them]
not, because ye are not of God.
A brainwashed liar as well as an idiot, stupidly hiding behind a bible
he knows is worthless outside his religion.
Notice how the simple Word of God is ALL POWERFUL, it cuts to the heart,
pentrates sin, draws out iniquity.Cleanses .!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
What "simple word of God", brainwashed moron?
The sinner cannot help but be insulted and reply with insult when attention
is drawn to the natural state of man.
Yet more personal slanders, lies and nastiness.
Deep within them something has begun, a seed has been sown, beyond their
understanding. They wonder why they are drawn to Christ even at this stage
Don't be so fucking stupid.
of childishly insulting Him whom can bring them life and Joy. Unbeknownst to
Nobody is doing that, brainwashed lying moron. It's merely somebody
else's religious belief that nobody would give a flying ***** about if
you had the sense and courtesy to keep it where it is appropriate, ie
among fellow believers.
But you psychopaths can't do that, and then lie through your teeth
about the reaction.
them (npw or 30 years it makes no difference but doing it now allevaites
mass suffering), but all in Gods plan another pagan has begun a journey to
worshiping The Name above All names. Jesus Christ.
A liar as well as an idiot.
Heb 4:12 For the word of God [is] quick, and powerful, and sharper than any
twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit,
and of the joints and marrow, and [is] a discerner of the thoughts and
intents of the heart.
What the ***** has that got to with anything outside your religion,
deliberately stupid, in-your-face psychopath?
Praise be to Him, Christ Jesus whom makes them bow even after they Blaspheme
His name a THOUSAND times.
A liar as well as an idiot. Nobody is blaspheming - they'd have to
believe it to that. This is there real world outside your religion.
Halleluja !!!!!!!
Moron.
What is it with you morons?
You gave a perfect example. And we would never have known you were one
if you had the sense to keep your idiocy to yourself.
I don't think he is a moron.
One requires a mind that is at least partly ordered and functional to
be one.
Greg appears to be genuinely and completely mentally dysfunctional.
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| User: "Michael Gray" |
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20 Jun 2007 07:01:42 PM |
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You need urgent professional psychological help, Greg.
Serously.
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Religion: true, false or useful? |
20 Jun 2007 05:59:12 AM |
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On Jun 20, 11:41 am, Christopher A.Lee <c...@optonline.net> wrote:
On Wed, 20 Jun 2007 20:35:51 +1000, "Greg"
<grandall11@optusnet(dot)com(dot)au> wrote:
"Christopher A.Lee" <c...@optonline.net> wrote in message
news:sruh73h2oijhke6s45i07rvauhqfclhfm7@4ax.com...
On Wed, 20 Jun 2007 19:45:06 +1000, "Greg"
<grandall11@optusnet(dot)com(dot)au> wrote:
"john p" <john.ph...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1182238618.556200.89700@x35g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
"Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as
false, and by rulers as useful."
--Lucius Annaeus Seneca
Religion and religiousness is the cause of much of the worlds suffering,
it
comes a close second to greed and it causes lost evil people to think
they
are Gods children doing His work.
Jesus showed this multiple times with the pharisee. Pharisee exist today
they just have different names .
Can;t you assholes ever say anything without rudely and stupidly
preaching?
Joh 8:47 He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear [them]
not, because ye are not of God.
A brainwashed liar as well as an idiot, stupidly hiding behind a bible
he knows is worthless outside his religion.
What is it with you morons?
- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
I think it's quite old fashioned to quote the Bible these days, as I
would think that there's fewer people reading(that's just my opinion
remember).
I was born and raised catholic. I am now and will forever be an
atheist.
I can see the point of religion for some, and that it has positive
ideals. I would never support anyone's suppression of religion (of
which I do NOT include CO$ as it is a humdrum self-help philosophy
that really doesn't do much but give people a bit of a chip on their
shoulder and the belief they can cure disease by "postulatin it
gone").
I think it's an out dated concept to believe in GOD so I choose not to
believe. So long as nobody else's beliefs cause harm to others then I
think people should be FREE to pick and choose whatever gives them the
best piece of mind. When it infringes on people's liberties and
freedoms then there are questions to be asked.
No religion should be persecuted, nor should it persecute in anyway.
A religion should be open, should not require money, becuase...and I
could be wrong...when Jesus(fiction, but good fiction in my
eyes...nice morality tales etc) said "Kingdom of Heaven is in us all"
I think it's possible to say that he may have been trying to tell us
that we can pray anytime, God does not need our money, he wants our
praise. We can do that for five minutes by just shutting our eyes and
being thankfull. In my book , if there's a God, he wont want much from
us...he is God after all.
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| User: "Christopher A.Lee" |
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| Title: Re: Religion: true, false or useful? |
20 Jun 2007 06:17:24 AM |
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On Wed, 20 Jun 2007 03:59:12 -0700, wrote:
On Jun 20, 11:41 am, Christopher A.Lee <c...@optonline.net> wrote:
On Wed, 20 Jun 2007 20:35:51 +1000, "Greg"
<grandall11@optusnet(dot)com(dot)au> wrote:
"Christopher A.Lee" <c...@optonline.net> wrote in message
news:sruh73h2oijhke6s45i07rvauhqfclhfm7@4ax.com...
On Wed, 20 Jun 2007 19:45:06 +1000, "Greg"
<grandall11@optusnet(dot)com(dot)au> wrote:
"john p" <john.ph...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1182238618.556200.89700@x35g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
"Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as
false, and by rulers as useful."
--Lucius Annaeus Seneca
Religion and religiousness is the cause of much of the worlds suffering,
it
comes a close second to greed and it causes lost evil people to think
they
are Gods children doing His work.
Jesus showed this multiple times with the pharisee. Pharisee exist today
they just have different names .
Can;t you assholes ever say anything without rudely and stupidly
preaching?
Joh 8:47 He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear [them]
not, because ye are not of God.
A brainwashed liar as well as an idiot, stupidly hiding behind a bible
he knows is worthless outside his religion.
What is it with you morons?
- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
I think it's quite old fashioned to quote the Bible these days, as I
would think that there's fewer people reading(that's just my opinion
remember).
And all it does when they do it to an audience they know is outside
their religion, is demonstrate both their intellectual bankruptcy and
their deliberate disrespect.
I was born and raised catholic. I am now and will forever be an
atheist.
I was never any kind of theist. It's like citing the Greek myths as
"proof".
They realise this at some level yet they still do it.
I can see the point of religion for some, and that it has positive
ideals. I would never support anyone's suppression of religion (of
which I do NOT include CO$ as it is a humdrum self-help philosophy
that really doesn't do much but give people a bit of a chip on their
shoulder and the belief they can cure disease by "postulatin it
gone").
If only they (a) lived up to these alleged ideals, and (b) had any
intelligence at all about it.
I think it's an out dated concept to believe in GOD so I choose not to
believe. So long as nobody else's beliefs cause harm to others then I
think people should be FREE to pick and choose whatever gives them the
best piece of mind. When it infringes on people's liberties and
freedoms then there are questions to be asked.
I wouldn't call it a choice. People believe what they were taught by
their parents in their formative years, and it becomes almost hard
wired. Just like language, words and their meanings it is the basic
bootstrapping on which everything else is built.
Very few people manage to throw is off because it is foundational.
No religion should be persecuted, nor should it persecute in anyway.
Unfortunately Christianity in particular has a persecution complex and
sees it where there isn't any. Its followers can't live and let live,
and instead of thinking about the negative reaction they lie about
hatred for Christianity, anti-Christian etc. When it's really a case
of "push people and they push back".
A religion should be open, should not require money, becuase...and I
could be wrong...when Jesus(fiction, but good fiction in my
eyes...nice morality tales etc) said "Kingdom of Heaven is in us all"
I think it's possible to say that he may have been trying to tell us
that we can pray anytime, God does not need our money, he wants our
praise. We can do that for five minutes by just shutting our eyes and
being thankfull. In my book , if there's a God, he wont want much from
us...he is God after all.
If you believe in it.
The problem is that those who do don't understand the real world
outside it. Especially the people who don't believe as they do.
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Religion: true, false or useful? |
20 Jun 2007 06:53:42 AM |
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On Jun 20, 12:17 pm, Christopher A.Lee <c...@optonline.net> wrote:
On Wed, 20 Jun 2007 03:59:12 -0700, wrote:
On Jun 20, 11:41 am, Christopher A.Lee <c...@optonline.net> wrote:
On Wed, 20 Jun 2007 20:35:51 +1000, "Greg"
<grandall11@optusnet(dot)com(dot)au> wrote:
"Christopher A.Lee" <c...@optonline.net> wrote in message
news:sruh73h2oijhke6s45i07rvauhqfclhfm7@4ax.com...
On Wed, 20 Jun 2007 19:45:06 +1000, "Greg"
<grandall11@optusnet(dot)com(dot)au> wrote:
"john p" <john.ph...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1182238618.556200.89700@x35g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
"Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as
false, and by rulers as useful."
--Lucius Annaeus Seneca
Religion and religiousness is the cause of much of the worlds suffering,
it
comes a close second to greed and it causes lost evil people to think
they
are Gods children doing His work.
Jesus showed this multiple times with the pharisee. Pharisee exist today
they just have different names .
Can;t you assholes ever say anything without rudely and stupidly
preaching?
Joh 8:47 He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear [them]
not, because ye are not of God.
A brainwashed liar as well as an idiot, stupidly hiding behind a bible
he knows is worthless outside his religion.
What is it with you morons?
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I think it's quite old fashioned to quote the Bible these days, as I
would think that there's fewer people reading(that's just my opinion
remember).
And all it does when they do it to an audience they know is outside
their religion, is demonstrate both their intellectual bankruptcy and
their deliberate disrespect.
I was born and raised catholic. I am now and will forever be an
atheist.
I was never any kind of theist. It's like citing the Greek myths as
"proof".
They realise this at some level yet they still do it.
I can see the point of religion for some, and that it has positive
ideals. I would never support anyone's suppression of religion (of
which I do NOT include CO$ as it is a humdrum self-help philosophy
that really doesn't do much but give people a bit of a chip on their
shoulder and the belief they can cure disease by "postulatin it
gone").
If only they (a) lived up to these alleged ideals, and (b) had any
intelligence at all about it.
I think it's an out dated concept to believe in GOD so I choose not to
believe. So long as nobody else's beliefs cause harm to others then I
think people should be FREE to pick and choose whatever gives them the
best piece of mind. When it infringes on people's liberties and
freedoms then there are questions to be asked.
I wouldn't call it a choice. People believe what they were taught by
their parents in their formative years, and it becomes almost hard
wired. Just like language, words and their meanings it is the basic
bootstrapping on which everything else is built.
Very few people manage to throw is off because it is foundational.
No religion should be persecuted, nor should it persecute in anyway.
Unfortunately Christianity in particular has a persecution complex and
sees it where there isn't any. Its followers can't live and let live,
and instead of thinking about the negative reaction they lie about
hatred for Christianity, anti-Christian etc. When it's really a case
of "push people and they push back".
A religion should be open, should not require money, becuase...and I
could be wrong...when Jesus(fiction, but good fiction in my
eyes...nice morality tales etc) said "Kingdom of Heaven is in us all"
I think it's possible to say that he may have been trying to tell us
that we can pray anytime, God does not need our money, he wants our
praise. We can do that for five minutes by just shutting our eyes and
being thankfull. In my book , if there's a God, he wont want much from
us...he is God after all.
If you believe in it.
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I agree with you. Religion is a massive hot bed in our world's
collective culture at the moment. Christianity is not alone in it's
persecution complex, it's there in all global religions (including the
so-called religion CO$).
I just think that if there is a God he didn't exactly plan it this
way...but how am I meant to understand a being such as God? I'm
not...there's the catch.
Science will never be able to explain everything. I don't think it
should. The imagination to me is my faith. So long as I can day dream
and imagine I am happy.
I think religion is slowly digging it's own grave. I think there is a
need to legally remove it from politics (I for one am appauled that in
the House of Lords, which is itself outdated, has Church
Representative making political when they are unelected by the
majority....) let them stand as MP's like everyone else and stop the
assumption that they can speak for everyone when the athiest and
secular are not represented by them.
Or have a Ministery for Morality...although that sounds a bit creepy
and Orwellian so maybe not.
I guess religion is always going to be around. "God" is a crafty
concept that can neither be proved nor disproved...CO$ on the other
hand is based in science which CAN be empirically tested...so why
isn't it handled by a health and safety executive?
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20 Jun 2007 07:21:55 AM |
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On Wed, 20 Jun 2007 04:53:42 -0700, wrote:
I think religion is slowly digging it's own grave. I think there is a
need to legally remove it from politics (I for one am appauled that in
the House of Lords, which is itself outdated, has Church
Representative making political when they are unelected by the
majority....) let them stand as MP's like everyone else and stop the
assumption that they can speak for everyone when the athiest and
secular are not represented by them.
I didn't think the Bishops ever voted in the upper house. While there
was no law preventing it, it was a respected precedent.
But like you, I am against an un-elected upper house.
I used to know a hereditary peer of the realm, who lived in a semi in
a middle class suburb. He used to attend the House of Lords once or
twice a year if it was something he felt necessary. He was active in
local politics, being a democratically elected Labour councilor
(pre-Blair)..
Or have a Ministery for Morality...although that sounds a bit creepy
and Orwellian so maybe not.
I guess religion is always going to be around. "God" is a crafty
concept that can neither be proved nor disproved...CO$ on the other
hand is based in science which CAN be empirically tested...so why
isn't it handled by a health and safety executive?
The trouble is, it is merely one of bazillions of equally un-necessary
and irrelevant things that can't be either.
If you don't already believe there is no reason to propose it because
there is nothing that points in that direction. I have no problem with
people believing things on faith as long as it doesn't impact the rest
of us. Unfortunately it does, far too often.
Just as I have no problem with somebody getting themselves drunk as
long as it doesn't impact anybody else. It's their decision. But when
they get in a car it directly affects everybody else.
The same with religion. Or pot smoking.
Unfortunately too many believers talk about it as though it were real,
use it to tell us why we shouldn't fart in bed etc. And when they do
that they have to be prepared to prove it.
Quoting the bible as the poster did, is just plain stupid, as well as
a tacit admission that they can't.
And unfortunately their only alternative to this is "you can't prove
it doesn't" - as though that made it so.
I grew up in England and emigrated to the US in 1989 when I got a
promotion to my employer's HQ.
It's a different world here, where religion is imposed. Where they
still have law suits over creationism being taught in schools. Where
the previous President Bush said atheists shouldn't be citizens. Where
atheists are pariahs. Where "under God" was added to the national
loyalty oath imposed on schoolkids. Where atheists are slandered and
libelled every day in the mass media. Where candidates have to be
overtly religious to stand a chance of being elected and part of this
is dumping on atheists.
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| User: "Hatter" |
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20 Jun 2007 08:10:05 AM |
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On Jun 20, 6:04 am, Christopher A.Lee <c...@optonline.net> wrote:
On Wed, 20 Jun 2007 19:45:06 +1000, "Greg"
<grandall11@optusnet(dot)com(dot)au> wrote:
"john p" <john.ph...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1182238618.556200.89700@x35g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
"Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as
false, and by rulers as useful."
--Lucius Annaeus Seneca
Religion and religiousness is the cause of much of the worlds suffering, it
comes a close second to greed and it causes lost evil people to think they
are Gods children doing His work.
Jesus showed this multiple times with the pharisee. Pharisee exist today
they just have different names .
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At least he came closer to the truth than the majority. It might be a
half-wit...but that a shite load better than the no-wits that comprise
the majority of theists.
Hatter
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| User: "Michelle Malkin" |
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19 Jun 2007 04:11:08 AM |
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"john p" <john.phile@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1182238618.556200.89700@x35g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
"Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as
false, and by rulers as useful."
--Lucius Annaeus Seneca
Religion is a fraud that time has passed. It may
have been needed in humanity's infancy, but it
has long done more harm than good. It's long
past time to put it out to pasture and let it die
out. That is the only way humanity will survive
without destroying itself. Religion kills. The only
way I can see for us all to survive is Secular
Humanism - people working together in peace,
advancing education for all, supporting science
research and medical care for all and supporting
the arts and creating jobs and job training
programs. The religious frauds in the White
House are against all of this, and you can see
the mess we are all in.
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Michelle Malkin (Mickey) aa list#1
BAAWA Knight & Bible Thumper Thumper
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When fascism comes to America, it will be
wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross -
Sinclair Lewis
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| User: "RetroProphet" |
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19 Jun 2007 03:42:05 AM |
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"Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as
false, and by rulers as useful."
--Lucius Annaeus Seneca
All religion is but imitation of nature.
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| User: "Michael Gray" |
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19 Jun 2007 04:37:27 AM |
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On 19 Jun 2007 01:42:05 -0700, RetroProphet
<RetroProphet_member@newsguy.com> wrote:
- Refer: <f584st02d4q@drn.newsguy.com>
"Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as
false, and by rulers as useful."
--Lucius Annaeus Seneca
All religion is but imitation of nature.
Only the "viruses" part of nature.
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| User: "}} Joshua the Just" |
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19 Jun 2007 09:37:48 PM |
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On 19 Jun 2007 01:42:05 -0700, RetroProphet
<RetroProphet_member@newsguy.com> wrote:
"Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as
false, and by rulers as useful."
--Lucius Annaeus Seneca
All religion is but imitation of nature.
If you take religion away, Satan would lose it best tool.
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| User: "Greg grandall11@optusnetdotcomdotau" |
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20 Jun 2007 04:47:41 AM |
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"<'}}>< Joshua the Just" <non@non.net> wrote in message
news:im4h73dgv0stot7m9o3tqpf6a3n20mimro@4ax.com...
On 19 Jun 2007 01:42:05 -0700, RetroProphet
<RetroProphet_member@newsguy.com> wrote:
If you take religion away, Satan would lose it best tool.
Thats the best thing I have seen you write in a long time Josh.
Greg
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| User: "}} Joshua the Just" |
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20 Jun 2007 08:40:51 AM |
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On Wed, 20 Jun 2007 19:47:41 +1000, "Greg"
<grandall11@optusnet(dot)com(dot)au> wrote:
"<'}}>< Joshua the Just" <non@non.net> wrote in message
news:im4h73dgv0stot7m9o3tqpf6a3n20mimro@4ax.com...
On 19 Jun 2007 01:42:05 -0700, RetroProphet
<RetroProphet_member@newsguy.com> wrote:
If you take religion away, Satan would lose it best tool.
Thats the best thing I have seen you write in a long time Josh.
Greg
Thanks Greg, It’s a truism, that the closer we get to God the simple
things get. It takes the powers of God to make things simple, and the
Spirit of God within you to enjoy it. However, since dark minds of
religious leaders like the complex things that only they can grasp,
rather than the simple statements that everyone can benefit, they tend
to over this simple truth.
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| User: "Michael Gray" |
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20 Jun 2007 06:57:05 PM |
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On Wed, 20 Jun 2007 13:40:51 GMT, "<'}}>< Joshua the Just"
<non@non.net> wrote:
- Refer: <h4bi731m2p1ih1rrn9dgj73202uk3lsjev@4ax.com>
On Wed, 20 Jun 2007 19:47:41 +1000, "Greg"
<grandall11@optusnet(dot)com(dot)au> wrote:
"<'}}>< Joshua the Just" <non@non.net> wrote in message
news:im4h73dgv0stot7m9o3tqpf6a3n20mimro@4ax.com...
On 19 Jun 2007 01:42:05 -0700, RetroProphet
<RetroProphet_member@newsguy.com> wrote:
If you take religion away, Satan would lose it best tool.
Thats the best thing I have seen you write in a long time Josh.
Greg
Thanks Greg, It’s a truism, that the closer we get to God the simple
There are no gods, oh simple one.
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| User: "}} Joshua the Just" |
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20 Jun 2007 07:07:31 PM |
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There are no gods, oh simple one.
Are you a medical doctor?
My grandfather was a German medical doctor, and he taught medicine,
and you would have laughed at you for being so simple minded.
There is a difference in being simple in speech, and being simple in
thought. I wasn't trying to say that God was simple minded, but that
he could come down to our language and speak in simple terms we could
all understand.
Now, you misunderstood me, but then I can understand it coming from
you, because your not like my grandfather, a medical doctor who could
speak six languages, and wrote speeches for the president of his
country.
Yes, if you were a doctor, and knew how the heart works, the brain,
the lungs, you would then understand that such perfection does not
evolve by itself.
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| User: "655321" |
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21 Jun 2007 02:43:09 AM |
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In article <5ufj73hp2eh9am7tu2optbmcjj65qj531f@4ax.com>,
"<'}}>< Joshua the Just" <non@non.net> wrote:
I wasn't trying to say that God was simple minded
Except that the psychoses "He(R)" demonstrates by "His(R)" alleged actions
as supposedly documented in the alleged scripture reveal a deity with a
really "complex" mentality. Vanity, capriciousness, violent fits of
rage... if there were a couch big enough...
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655321
"We are heroes in error" -- Ahmad Chalabi
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| User: "James Norris" |
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21 Jun 2007 02:49:38 AM |
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On Jun 21, 8:43=EF=BF=BDam, 655321 <DipthotDipt...@Yahoo.Yahoo.Com.Com> wro=
te:
In article <5ufj73hp2eh9am7tu2optbmcjj65qj5...@4ax.com>,
=A0"<'}}>< Joshua the Just" <n...@non.net> wrote:
=A0I wasn't trying to say that God was simple minded
Except that the psychoses "He(R)" demonstrates by "His(R)" alleged actions
as supposedly documented in the alleged scripture reveal a deity with a
really "complex" mentality. =A0Vanity, capriciousness, violent fits of
rage... if there were a couch big enough...
--
655321
"We are heroes in error" -- Ahmad Chalabi
I have to say that your insightful and well-written remarks about this
complex topic really impressed me. Your have restored my faith in
usenet newsgroups as a medium for meaningful discussions between
intelligent human beings. Well done!
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
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"If one doesn't clean the windows, the cat will be perplexed!"
Albert Einstein
http://archetype.com/macro_001.html
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| User: "Michael Gray" |
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21 Jun 2007 02:27:45 AM |
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On Thu, 21 Jun 2007 00:07:31 GMT, "<'}}>< Joshua the Just"
<non@non.net> wrote:
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There are no gods, oh simple one.
Are you a medical doctor?
What the ***** has that got to do with it?
My grandfather was a German medical doctor, and he taught medicine,
and you would have laughed at you for being so simple minded.
And he would have been totally wrong to do so.
There is a difference in being simple in speech, and being simple in
thought. I wasn't trying to say that God was simple minded, but that
he could come down to our language and speak in simple terms we could
all understand.
There is no such thing as "god" or "gods".
You appear to have aq mental age of less than 13.
Now, you misunderstood me, but then I can understand it coming from
you, because your not like my grandfather, a medical doctor who could
speak six languages, and wrote speeches for the president of his
country.
Argument from authority is logical fallacy.
You are totally unaware of my linguistic breadth as well, and would
retract that implication.
Yes, if you were a doctor, and knew how the heart works, the brain,
the lungs, you would then understand that such perfection does not
evolve by itself.
Oh my goodness you have piled on the fallacies to overflowing.
You need to be a lot more coherent before I can converse with you.
How old are you?
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| User: "James Norris" |
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21 Jun 2007 02:31:20 AM |
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On Jun 21, 8:27=EF=BF=BDam, Michael Gray <mikeg...@newsguy.com> wrote:
On Thu, 21 Jun 2007 00:07:31 GMT, "<'}}>< Joshua the Just"<n...@non.net> =
wrote:
=A0 - Refer: <5ufj73hp2eh9am7tu2optbmcjj65qj5...@4ax.com>
There are no gods, oh simple one.
Are you a medical doctor?
What the ***** has that got to do with it?
My grandfather was a German medical doctor, and he taught medicine,
and you would have laughed at you for being so simple minded.
And he would have been totally wrong to do so.
There is a difference in being simple in speech, and being simple in
thought. I wasn't trying to say that God was simple minded, but that
he could come down to our language and speak in simple terms we could
all understand.
There is no such thing as "god" or "gods".
You appear to have aq mental age of less than 13.
Now, you misunderstood me, but then I can understand it coming from
you, because your not like my grandfather, a medical doctor who could
speak six languages, and wrote speeches for the president of his
country.
Argument from authority is logical fallacy.
You are totally unaware of my linguistic breadth as well, and would
retract that implication.
Yes, if you were a doctor, and knew how the heart works, the brain,
the lungs, you would then understand that such perfection does not
evolve by itself.
Oh my goodness you have piled on the fallacies to overflowing.
You need to be a lot more coherent before I can converse with you.
How old are you?
--
I have to say that your insightful and well-written remarks about this
complex topic really impressed me. Your have restored my faith in
usenet newsgroups as a medium for meaningful discussions between
intelligent human beings. Well done!
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
"If one doesn't clean the windows, the cat will be perplexed!"
Albert Einstein
http://archetype.com/macro_001.html
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
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| User: "}} Joshua the Just" |
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20 Jun 2007 07:08:21 PM |
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On Thu, 21 Jun 2007 00:07:31 GMT, "<'}}>< Joshua the Just"
<non@non.net> wrote:
correction:
There are no gods, oh simple one.
Are you a medical doctor?
My grandfather was a German medical doctor, and he taught medicine,
and [he] would have laughed at you for being so simple minded.
There is a difference in being simple in speech, and being simple in
thought. I wasn't trying to say that God was simple minded, but that
he could come down to our language and speak in simple terms we could
all understand.
Now, you misunderstood me, but then I can understand it coming from
you, because your not like my grandfather, a medical doctor who could
speak six languages, and wrote speeches for the president of his
country.
Yes, if you were a doctor, and knew how the heart works, the brain,
the lungs, you would then understand that such perfection does not
evolve by itself.
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| User: "RetroProphet" |
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20 Jun 2007 01:47:27 PM |
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"Religion is regarded by the common people as true,
by the wise as false, and by rulers as useful."
--Lucius Annaeus Seneca
All religion is but imitation of nature.
If you take religion away, Satan would lose it best tool.
If you take the Satan myth away, you'll find that natural
explanations are sufficient to explain anything.
This is what I meant by "All religion is but imitation of nature."
-- the religionist will concoct that demons are pounding away
at your scull, when the reality is that you just have a headache.
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| User: "}} Joshua the Just" |
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20 Jun 2007 06:59:38 PM |
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On 20 Jun 2007 11:47:27 -0700, RetroProphet
<RetroProphet_member@newsguy.com> wrote:
If you take the Satan myth away, you'll find that natural
explanations are sufficient to explain anything.
This is what I meant by "All religion is but imitation of nature."
-- the religionist will concoct that demons are pounding away
at your scull, when the reality is that you just have a headache.
Can you explain, the man that appeared to me in a field?
He said, I was going to get hurt.
The other children ran away from him, they all saw the same man.
I was hurt by this man, he bruise my right heel to the very bone.
I was only six years old, I did know the LDS faith then, I was a
member of the Baptist church.
I thought the Devil was some sort of creature, but I was wrong.
He look just like us, and he's a gentleman.
And how do you explain that my mother was running to help me, because
she was sleeping at the time, and saw me fall and get hurt, and she
knew, and was on her way to help me.
And how the man that hurt me, how did he disappear in to the thin air?
And how do you explain that the man in the bible called God forsaw me
getting hurt by the Satan?
(Moses 4: 21)
21 And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, between thy
seed and her seed; and he [Joshua] shall bruise thy head, and thou
shalt bruise his heel.
(Gen. 3: 15)
15 And I will put aenmity between thee and the woman, and between
thy seed and her seed; bit shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt
bruise his heel.
Now, RetroProphet, I am not saying that we can blame the Devil for
everything, but then I am not like everyone, my story is different,
and I am the only one claiming to have been harmed by the Satan.
And you can't find another person who has had his heel bruise by
Satan, not even Jesus had his heel bruise, I am the only one in
history who had a man dress in black appear to him and have his heel
bruise.
Joshua the Just <'}}><
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