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Religions > Atheism |
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"john p" |
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19 Jun 2007 02:36:58 AM |
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Religion: true, false or useful? |
"Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as
false, and by rulers as useful."
--Lucius Annaeus Seneca
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| User: "Greg grandall11@optusnetdotcomdotau" |
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| Title: Re: Religion: true, false or useful? |
20 Jun 2007 04:45:06 AM |
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"john p" <john.phile@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1182238618.556200.89700@x35g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
"Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as
false, and by rulers as useful."
--Lucius Annaeus Seneca
Religion and religiousness is the cause of much of the worlds suffering, it
comes a close second to greed and it causes lost evil people to think they
are Gods children doing His work.
Jesus showed this multiple times with the pharisee. Pharisee exist today
they just have different names .
Joh 8:47 He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear [them]
not, because ye are not of God.
Joh 8:32 And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.
Greg
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| User: "Christopher A.Lee" |
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| Title: Re: Religion: true, false or useful? |
20 Jun 2007 05:04:26 AM |
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On Wed, 20 Jun 2007 19:45:06 +1000, "Greg"
<grandall11@optusnet(dot)com(dot)au> wrote:
"john p" <john.phile@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1182238618.556200.89700@x35g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
"Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as
false, and by rulers as useful."
--Lucius Annaeus Seneca
Religion and religiousness is the cause of much of the worlds suffering, it
comes a close second to greed and it causes lost evil people to think they
are Gods children doing His work.
Jesus showed this multiple times with the pharisee. Pharisee exist today
they just have different names .
Can;t you assholes ever say anything without rudely and stupidly
preaching?
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| User: "Greg grandall11@optusnetdotcomdotau" |
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| Title: Re: Religion: true, false or useful? |
20 Jun 2007 05:35:51 AM |
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"Christopher A.Lee" <calee@optonline.net> wrote in message
news:sruh73h2oijhke6s45i07rvauhqfclhfm7@4ax.com...
On Wed, 20 Jun 2007 19:45:06 +1000, "Greg"
<grandall11@optusnet(dot)com(dot)au> wrote:
"john p" <john.phile@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1182238618.556200.89700@x35g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
"Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as
false, and by rulers as useful."
--Lucius Annaeus Seneca
Religion and religiousness is the cause of much of the worlds suffering,
it
comes a close second to greed and it causes lost evil people to think
they
are Gods children doing His work.
Jesus showed this multiple times with the pharisee. Pharisee exist today
they just have different names .
Can;t you assholes ever say anything without rudely and stupidly
preaching?
Joh 8:47 He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear [them]
not, because ye are not of God.
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| User: "Michael Gray" |
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| Title: Re: Religion: true, false or useful? |
20 Jun 2007 07:23:10 AM |
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On Wed, 20 Jun 2007 20:35:51 +1000, "Greg"
<grandall11@optusnet(dot)com(dot)au> wrote:
- Refer: <467902f9$0$21482$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au>
"Christopher A.Lee" <calee@optonline.net> wrote in message
news:sruh73h2oijhke6s45i07rvauhqfclhfm7@4ax.com...
On Wed, 20 Jun 2007 19:45:06 +1000, "Greg"
<grandall11@optusnet(dot)com(dot)au> wrote:
"john p" <john.phile@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1182238618.556200.89700@x35g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
"Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as
false, and by rulers as useful."
--Lucius Annaeus Seneca
Religion and religiousness is the cause of much of the worlds suffering,
it
comes a close second to greed and it causes lost evil people to think
they
are Gods children doing His work.
Jesus showed this multiple times with the pharisee. Pharisee exist today
they just have different names .
Can;t you assholes ever say anything without rudely and stupidly
preaching?
Joh 8:47 He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear [them]
not, because ye are not of God.
I take that a resounding "NO!! We deludeded arseholes are not
capable!!",
is the answer to your question, Mr. Lee.
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| User: "Christopher A.Lee" |
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| Title: Re: Religion: true, false or useful? |
20 Jun 2007 07:45:24 AM |
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On Wed, 20 Jun 2007 21:53:10 +0930, Michael Gray
<mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote:
On Wed, 20 Jun 2007 20:35:51 +1000, "Greg"
<grandall11@optusnet(dot)com(dot)au> wrote:
- Refer: <467902f9$0$21482$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au>
"Christopher A.Lee" <calee@optonline.net> wrote in message
news:sruh73h2oijhke6s45i07rvauhqfclhfm7@4ax.com...
On Wed, 20 Jun 2007 19:45:06 +1000, "Greg"
<grandall11@optusnet(dot)com(dot)au> wrote:
"john p" <john.phile@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1182238618.556200.89700@x35g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
"Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as
false, and by rulers as useful."
--Lucius Annaeus Seneca
Religion and religiousness is the cause of much of the worlds suffering,
it
comes a close second to greed and it causes lost evil people to think
they
are Gods children doing His work.
Jesus showed this multiple times with the pharisee. Pharisee exist today
they just have different names .
Can;t you assholes ever say anything without rudely and stupidly
preaching?
Joh 8:47 He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear [them]
not, because ye are not of God.
I take that a resounding "NO!! We deludeded arseholes are not
capable!!",
is the answer to your question, Mr. Lee.
Yes. And nobody would have known he was one if he had the sense to
keep his stupisity and his nastiness to himself.
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| User: "Michael Gray" |
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| Title: Re: Religion: true, false or useful? |
20 Jun 2007 07:04:39 PM |
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On Wed, 20 Jun 2007 08:45:24 -0400, Christopher A.Lee
<calee@optonline.net> wrote:
- Refer: <k98i73hn40hr8r9rr6qk5mkgf9a28ftsgn@4ax.com>
On Wed, 20 Jun 2007 21:53:10 +0930, Michael Gray
<mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote:
On Wed, 20 Jun 2007 20:35:51 +1000, "Greg"
<grandall11@optusnet(dot)com(dot)au> wrote:
- Refer: <467902f9$0$21482$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au>
"Christopher A.Lee" <calee@optonline.net> wrote in message
news:sruh73h2oijhke6s45i07rvauhqfclhfm7@4ax.com...
On Wed, 20 Jun 2007 19:45:06 +1000, "Greg"
<grandall11@optusnet(dot)com(dot)au> wrote:
"john p" <john.phile@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1182238618.556200.89700@x35g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
"Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as
false, and by rulers as useful."
--Lucius Annaeus Seneca
Religion and religiousness is the cause of much of the worlds suffering,
it
comes a close second to greed and it causes lost evil people to think
they
are Gods children doing His work.
Jesus showed this multiple times with the pharisee. Pharisee exist today
they just have different names .
Can;t you assholes ever say anything without rudely and stupidly
preaching?
Joh 8:47 He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear [them]
not, because ye are not of God.
I take that a resounding "NO!! We deludeded arseholes are not
capable!!",
is the answer to your question, Mr. Lee.
Yes. And nobody would have known he was one if he had the sense to
keep his stupisity and his nastiness to himself.
He appears to be sufferering from the christian cut-n-paste syndrome.
Annoy 10 rational thinking folk a day, and get green stamps.
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| User: "655321" |
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| Title: Re: Religion: true, false or useful? |
21 Jun 2007 02:22:08 AM |
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In article <o2gj73hrv4ueq1u2fuqiij6u6kdi90nh3h@4ax.com>,
Michael Gray <mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote:
He appears to be sufferering from the christian cut-n-paste syndrome.
Annoy 10 rational thinking folk a day, and get green stamps.
Oh. My. God. Green stamps. I had forgotten those. Like the Blue
Chip Stamps.
Thanks for the reminder of another cultural/commercial artifact.
Heh-heh, hehhheh-heh... we're old... hehh-heh.
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655321
"We are heroes in error" -- Ahmad Chalabi
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| User: "James Norris" |
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| Title: Re: Religion: true, false or useful? |
21 Jun 2007 02:24:45 AM |
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On Jun 21, 8:22=EF=BF=BDam, 655321 <DipthotDipt...@Yahoo.Yahoo.Com.Com> wro=
te:
In article <o2gj73hrv4ueq1u2fuqiij6u6kdi90n...@4ax.com>,
=A0Michael Gray <mikeg...@newsguy.com> wrote:
He appears to be sufferering from the christian cut-n-paste syndrome.
Annoy 10 rational thinking folk a day, and get green stamps.
Oh. =A0My. =A0God. =A0Green stamps. =A0I had forgotten those. =A0Like the=
Blue
Chip Stamps.
Thanks for the reminder of another cultural/commercial artifact.
Heh-heh, hehhheh-heh... we're old... hehh-heh.
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655321
"We are heroes in error" -- Ahmad Chalabi
I have to say that your insightful and well-written remarks about this
complex topic really impressed me. Your have restored my faith in
usenet newsgroups as a medium for meaningful discussions between
intelligent human beings. Well done!
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Albert Einstein
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| User: "Christopher A.Lee" |
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| Title: Re: Religion: true, false or useful? |
20 Jun 2007 05:41:59 AM |
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On Wed, 20 Jun 2007 20:35:51 +1000, "Greg"
<grandall11@optusnet(dot)com(dot)au> wrote:
"Christopher A.Lee" <calee@optonline.net> wrote in message
news:sruh73h2oijhke6s45i07rvauhqfclhfm7@4ax.com...
On Wed, 20 Jun 2007 19:45:06 +1000, "Greg"
<grandall11@optusnet(dot)com(dot)au> wrote:
"john p" <john.phile@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1182238618.556200.89700@x35g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
"Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as
false, and by rulers as useful."
--Lucius Annaeus Seneca
Religion and religiousness is the cause of much of the worlds suffering,
it
comes a close second to greed and it causes lost evil people to think
they
are Gods children doing His work.
Jesus showed this multiple times with the pharisee. Pharisee exist today
they just have different names .
Can;t you assholes ever say anything without rudely and stupidly
preaching?
Joh 8:47 He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear [them]
not, because ye are not of God.
A brainwashed liar as well as an idiot, stupidly hiding behind a bible
he knows is worthless outside his religion.
What is it with you morons?
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| User: "Greg grandall11@optusnetdotcomdotau" |
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| Title: Re: Religion: true, false or useful? |
20 Jun 2007 07:09:41 AM |
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"Christopher A.Lee" <calee@optonline.net> wrote in message
Joh 8:47 He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear [them]
not, because ye are not of God.
A brainwashed liar as well as an idiot, stupidly hiding behind a bible
he knows is worthless outside his religion.
Notice how the simple Word of God is ALL POWERFUL, it cuts to the heart,
pentrates sin, draws out iniquity.Cleanses .!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The sinner cannot help but be insulted and reply with insult when attention
is drawn to the natural state of man.
Deep within them something has begun, a seed has been sown, beyond their
understanding. They wonder why they are drawn to Christ even at this stage
of childishly insulting Him whom can bring them life and Joy. Unbeknownst to
them (now or in 30 years it makes no difference, but doing it now allevaites
mass suffering), but all in Gods plan another pagan has begun a journey to
worshiping The Name above All names. Jesus Christ.
Heb 4:12 For the word of God [is] quick, and powerful, and sharper than any
twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit,
and of the joints and marrow, and [is] a discerner of the thoughts and
intents of the heart.
Praise be to Him, Christ Jesus whom makes them bow even after they Blaspheme
His name a THOUSAND times.
Halleluja !!!!!!!
What is it with you morons?
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| User: "Jeckyl" |
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| Title: Re: Religion: true, false or useful? |
20 Jun 2007 10:48:10 AM |
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"Greg" <grandall11@optusnet(dot)com(dot)au> wrote in message
news:467918f7$0$22415$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au...
"Christopher A.Lee" <calee@optonline.net> wrote in message
Joh 8:47 He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear [them]
not, because ye are not of God.
A brainwashed liar as well as an idiot, stupidly hiding behind a bible
he knows is worthless outside his religion.
Notice how the simple Word of God is ALL POWERFUL,
What a load of crap
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| User: "orkeltatte" |
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| Title: Re: Religion: true, false or useful? |
21 Jun 2007 02:17:39 AM |
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Notice how the simple Word of God is ALL POWERFUL, it cuts to the heart,
pentrates sin, draws out iniquity.Cleanses .!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The sinner cannot help but be insulted and reply with insult when attent=
ion
is drawn to the natural state of man.
Just a simple question: Let=B4s assume there is a God and let=B4s assume s/
he is "ALL POWERFUL" - then this "God" must be able to create a rock
so heavy that s/he cannot lift it and hence the concept of "ALL
POWERFUL" is inherited contradictional in itself and an
impossibility! Right?
The concept of "the sinner" presupposes a human interpreter of a basic
moral/ethical code [words of God?] subjectively filtered [biased -
and herein lies the core problem with applied religion] and finally
applied on his/hers fellow men. Wich of you - "us", shall have
precedence or superiority in interpreting a basic moral/ethical code
[ words of God] huh? Priests? Mullahs?
Bush? Or in other words -He without sin , cast the first stone!
Ulf Brettstam
Senior psychiatrist
Sweden
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| User: "Hephaestus" |
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| Title: Re: Religion: true, false or useful? |
24 Jun 2007 01:15:51 AM |
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On Jun 21, 3:17 am, orkeltatte <orkelta...@hotmail.com> wrote:
Notice how the simple Word of God is ALL POWERFUL, it cuts to the heart,
pentrates sin, draws out iniquity.Cleanses .!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The sinner cannot help but be insulted and reply with insult when atte=
ntion
is drawn to the natural state of man.
Just a simple question: Let=B4s assume there is a God and let=B4s assume =
s/
he is "ALL POWERFUL" - then this "God" must be able to create a rock
so heavy that s/he cannot lift it and hence the concept of "ALL
POWERFUL" is inherited contradictional in itself and an
impossibility! Right?
No, the concept of god is that he can do the impossible, therefore he
could bend reality to his will, therefore, he could both make a rock
to heavy to lift, and lift it.
It's insane, but that's only because we are bound to think only in
realms we can understand.
Again, heard it all before.
The concept of "the sinner" presupposes a human interpreter of a basic
moral/ethical code [words of God?] subjectively filtered [biased -
and herein lies the core problem with applied religion] and finally
applied on his/hers fellow men. Wich of you - "us", shall have
precedence or superiority in interpreting a basic moral/ethical code
[ words of God] huh? Priests? Mullahs?
Bush? Or in other words -He without sin , cast the first stone!
Ulf Brettstam
Senior psychiatrist
Sweden
None, their is god's law, which no man may impose on another, and then
their is man's law, which he freely implores to his own uses, be they
good or evil.
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| User: "Orkeltatte aka Ulf Brettstam" |
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| Title: Re: Religion: true, false or useful? |
24 Jun 2007 04:06:57 AM |
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On Jun 24, 8:15 am, Hephaestus <zeusnicobo...@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Jun 21, 3:17 am, orkeltatte <orkelta...@hotmail.com> wrote:
Notice how the simple Word of God is ALL POWERFUL, it cuts to the hea=
rt,
pentrates sin, draws out iniquity.Cleanses .!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!=
!!
The sinner cannot help but be insulted and reply with insult when at=
tention
is drawn to the natural state of man.
Just a simple question: Let=B4s assume there is a God and let=B4s assum=
e s/
he is "ALL POWERFUL" - then this "God" must be able to create a rock
so heavy that s/he cannot lift it and hence the concept of "ALL
POWERFUL" is inherited contradictional in itself and an
impossibility! Right?
No, the concept of god is that he can do the impossible, therefore he
could bend reality to his will, therefore, he could both make a rock
to heavy to lift, and lift it.
It's insane, but that's only because we are bound to think only in
realms we can understand.
Again, heard it all before.
Then the concept of "God" is impossible for us to understand, hence
"God" is an impossibility.
Ulf
The concept of "the sinner" presupposes a human interpreter of a basic
moral/ethical code [words of God?] subjectively filtered [biased -
and herein lies the core problem with applied religion] and finally
applied on his/hers fellow men. Wich of you - "us", shall have
precedence or superiority in interpreting a basic moral/ethical code
[ words of God] huh? Priests? Mullahs?
Bush? Or in other words -He without sin , cast the first stone!
Ulf Brettstam
Senior psychiatrist
Sweden
None, their is god's law, which no man may impose on another, and then
their is man's law, which he freely implores to his own uses, be they
good or evil.
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| User: "Hephaestus" |
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| Title: Re: Religion: true, false or useful? |
25 Jun 2007 12:15:34 AM |
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On Jun 24, 5:06 am, Orkeltatte aka Ulf Brettstam
<orkelta...@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Jun 24, 8:15 am, Hephaestus <zeusnicobo...@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Jun 21, 3:17 am, orkeltatte <orkelta...@hotmail.com> wrote:
Notice how the simple Word of God is ALL POWERFUL, it cuts to the h=
eart,
pentrates sin, draws out iniquity.Cleanses .!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!=
!!!!
The sinner cannot help but be insulted and reply with insult when =
attention
is drawn to the natural state of man.
Just a simple question: Let=B4s assume there is a God and let=B4s *****=
ume s/
he is "ALL POWERFUL" - then this "God" must be able to create a rock
so heavy that s/he cannot lift it and hence the concept of "ALL
POWERFUL" is inherited contradictional in itself and an
impossibility! Right?
No, the concept of god is that he can do the impossible, therefore he
could bend reality to his will, therefore, he could both make a rock
to heavy to lift, and lift it.
It's insane, but that's only because we are bound to think only in
realms we can understand.
Again, heard it all before.
Then the concept of "God" is impossible for us to understand, hence
"God" is an impossibility.
Ulf
You catch on quickly, people today still are confused as per the
concept of god, but just because it's impossible to understand,
doesn't mean it's impossible for it/she/he, to exist.
The concept of "the sinner" presupposes a human interpreter of a basic
moral/ethical code [words of God?] subjectively filtered [biased -
and herein lies the core problem with applied religion] and finally
applied on his/hers fellow men. Wich of you - "us", shall have
precedence or superiority in interpreting a basic moral/ethical code
[ words of God] huh? Priests? Mullahs?
Bush? Or in other words -He without sin , cast the first stone!
Ulf Brettstam
Senior psychiatrist
Sweden
None, their is god's law, which no man may impose on another, and then
their is man's law, which he freely implores to his own uses, be they
good or evil.
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| User: "Orkeltatte aka Ulf Brettstam" |
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| Title: Re: Religion: true, false or useful? |
25 Jun 2007 04:35:50 AM |
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On Jun 25, 7:15 am, Hephaestus <zeusnicobo...@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Jun 24, 5:06 am, Orkeltatte aka Ulf Brettstam
<orkelta...@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Jun 24, 8:15 am, Hephaestus <zeusnicobo...@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Jun 21, 3:17 am, orkeltatte <orkelta...@hotmail.com> wrote:
Notice how the simple Word of God is ALL POWERFUL, it cuts to the=
heart,
pentrates sin, draws out iniquity.Cleanses .!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!=
!!!!!!
The sinner cannot help but be insulted and reply with insult whe=
n attention
is drawn to the natural state of man.
Just a simple question: Let=B4s assume there is a God and let=B4s a=
ssume s/
he is "ALL POWERFUL" - then this "God" must be able to create a rock
so heavy that s/he cannot lift it and hence the concept of "ALL
POWERFUL" is inherited contradictional in itself and an
impossibility! Right?
No, the concept of god is that he can do the impossible, therefore he
could bend reality to his will, therefore, he could both make a rock
to heavy to lift, and lift it.
It's insane, but that's only because we are bound to think only in
realms we can understand.
Again, heard it all before.
Then the concept of "God" is impossible for us to understand, hence
"God" is an impossibility.
Ulf
You catch on quickly, people today still are confused as per the
concept of god, but just because it's impossible to understand,
doesn't mean it's impossible for it/she/he, to exist.
The concept of "the sinner" presupposes a human interpreter of a ba=
sic
moral/ethical code [words of God?] subjectively filtered [biased -
and herein lies the core problem with applied religion] and finally
applied on his/hers fellow men. Wich of you - "us", shall have
precedence or superiority in interpreting a basic moral/ethical code
[ words of God] huh? Priests? Mullahs?
Bush? Or in other words -He without sin , cast the first stone!
Ulf Brettstam
Senior psychiatrist
Sweden
None, their is god's law, which no man may impose on another, and then
their is man's law, which he freely implores to his own uses, be they
good or evil.
I prefer the scientific approach, in my personal quest of
understanding life and trying to make some sense of it!
Neuroimagining techniques (PET) suggests that religious experiences
are located in the temporal lobes - can be reproduced by a magnetic
field - are similar in all religions , and that the trancendence state
(selfinduced) reduces bloodflow to the parietal lobes and increases
bloodflow in the temporals.
This has of course nothing to do with your personal religious beliefs
, only that these kind of experiences has neurophysiological
correlates.
"This Is Your Brain on God"
Michael Persinger has a vision - the Almighty isn't dead, he's an
energy field. And your mind is an electromagnetic map to your soul.
http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/7.11/persinger.html
Neurotheology Article by Victoria Powell
Addressing the general meeting for the "Society of Neuroscience" in
1997, Dr. Ramachandran made comment that "there is a neural basis for
religious experience." Ramachandran's radical statement catapulted
neurotheology well into the public eye. The aim of neurotheology is to
question and "explore theology from a neurological
perspective...helping us to understand the human urge for religion and
religious myth" (Newberg, D'Aquili & Rause 2001, p177).....
http://www.clinicallypsyched.com/neurotheologywithgodinmind.htm
So we are left with the legacy of two types of thinking errors:
Type 1 Error: believing a falsehood and Type 2 Error: rejecting a
truth. ... Believers in UFOs, alien abductions, ESP, and psychic
phenomena have committed a Type 1 Error in thinking: they are
believing a falsehood. ... It's not that these folks are ignorant or
uninformed; they are intelligent but misinformed. Their thinking has
gone wrong.
- Michael Shermer, Why People Believe Weird Things, 1997, 2002,
Introduction
http://skepdic.com/refuge/weird.html
2003 Reith lectures
This year's Reith lecturer is the noted neuroscientist Vilayanur S.
Ramachandran, Director of the Centre for Brain and Cognition at the
University of California (San Diego).
"Phantoms in the brain"
http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/reith2003/
Ulf Brettstam
Senior psychiatrist,Sweden
"There are no higher religion than truth"
( Veda scriptures )
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02 Aug 2007 06:38:50 PM |
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On Jun 21, 3:17?am, orkeltatte <orkelta...@hotmail.com> wrote:
Notice how the simple Word of God is ALL POWERFUL, it cuts to the heart,
pentrates sin, draws out iniquity.Cleanses .!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The sinner cannot help but be insulted and reply with insult when attention
is drawn to the natural state of man.
Just a simple question: Let s assume there is a God and let s assume s/
he is "ALL POWERFUL" - then this "God" must be able to create a rock
so heavy that s/he cannot lift it and hence the concept of "ALL
POWERFUL" is inherited contradictional in itself and an
impossibility! Right?
The concept of "the sinner" presupposes a human interpreter of a basic
moral/ethical code [words of God?] subjectively filtered [biased -
and herein lies the core problem with applied religion] and finally
applied on his/hers fellow men. Wich of you - "us", shall have
precedence or superiority in interpreting a basic moral/ethical code
[ words of God] huh? Priests? Mullahs?
Bush? Or in other words -He without sin , cast the first stone!
Ulf Brettstam
Senior psychiatrist
Sweden
Good points.
V
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| User: "James Norris" |
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21 Jun 2007 02:19:03 AM |
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On Jun 21, 8:17=EF=BF=BDam, orkeltatte <orkelta...@hotmail.com> wrote:
Notice how the simple Word of God is ALL POWERFUL, it cuts to the heart,
pentrates sin, draws out iniquity.Cleanses .!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
=A0The sinner cannot help but be insulted and reply with insult when at=
tention
is drawn to the natural state of man.
Just a simple question: Let=B4s assume there is a God and let=B4s assume =
s/
he is "ALL POWERFUL" - then this "God" must be able to create a rock
so heavy that s/he cannot lift it and hence the concept of "ALL
POWERFUL" is inherited contradictional in itself and an
impossibility! =A0Right?
The concept of "the sinner" presupposes a human interpreter of a basic
moral/ethical code [words of God?] =A0subjectively filtered [biased -
and herein lies the core problem with applied religion] and finally
applied on his/hers fellow men. =A0Wich of you - "us", shall have
precedence or superiority in interpreting a basic moral/ethical code
[ words of God] huh? Priests? Mullahs?
Bush? Or in other words -He without sin , cast the first stone!
Ulf Brettstam
Senior psychiatrist
Sweden
I have to say that your insightful and well-written remarks about this
complex topic really impressed me. Your have restored my faith in
usenet newsgroups as a medium for meaningful discussions between
intelligent human beings. Well done!
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
"If one doesn't clean the windows, the cat will be perplexed!"
Albert Einstein
http://archetype.com/macro_001.html
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| User: "orkeltatte" |
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| Title: Re: Religion: true, false or useful? |
21 Jun 2007 06:28:56 AM |
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On Jun 21, 9:19 am, James Norris <JimNorri...@aol.com> wrote:
On Jun 21, 8:17?am, orkeltatte <orkelta...@hotmail.com> wrote:
Notice how the simple Word of God is ALL POWERFUL, it cuts to the hea=
rt,
pentrates sin, draws out iniquity.Cleanses .!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!=
!!
The sinner cannot help but be insulted and reply with insult when at=
tention
is drawn to the natural state of man.
Just a simple question: Let=B4s assume there is a God and let=B4s assum=
e s/
he is "ALL POWERFUL" - then this "God" must be able to create a rock
so heavy that s/he cannot lift it and hence the concept of "ALL
POWERFUL" is inherited contradictional in itself and an
impossibility! Right?
The concept of "the sinner" presupposes a human interpreter of a basic
moral/ethical code [words of God?] subjectively filtered [biased -
and herein lies the core problem with applied religion] and finally
applied on his/hers fellow men. Wich of you - "us", shall have
precedence or superiority in interpreting a basic moral/ethical code
[ words of God] huh? Priests? Mullahs?
Bush? Or in other words -He without sin , cast the first stone!
UlfBrettstam
Senior psychiatrist
Sweden
I have to say that your insightful and well-written remarks about this
complex topic really impressed me. Your have restored my faith in
usenet newsgroups as a medium for meaningful discussions between
intelligent human beings. Well done!
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
"If one doesn't clean the windows, the cat will be perplexed!"
Albert Einstein
http://archetype.com/macro_001.html
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
You=B4re to kind!
Ulf
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| User: "Michael Gray" |
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| Title: Re: Religion: true, false or useful? |
21 Jun 2007 04:17:45 PM |
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On Thu, 21 Jun 2007 04:28:56 -0700, orkeltatte
<orkeltatte@hotmail.com> wrote:
- Refer: <1182425336.059707.217710@u2g2000hsc.googlegroups.com>
On Jun 21, 9:19 am, James Norris <JimNorri...@aol.com> wrote:
On Jun 21, 8:17?am, orkeltatte <orkelta...@hotmail.com> wrote:
Notice how the simple Word of God is ALL POWERFUL, it cuts to the heart,
pentrates sin, draws out iniquity.Cleanses .!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The sinner cannot help but be insulted and reply with insult when attention
is drawn to the natural state of man.
Just a simple question: Let´s assume there is a God and let´s assume s/
he is "ALL POWERFUL" - then this "God" must be able to create a rock
so heavy that s/he cannot lift it and hence the concept of "ALL
POWERFUL" is inherited contradictional in itself and an
impossibility! Right?
The concept of "the sinner" presupposes a human interpreter of a basic
moral/ethical code [words of God?] subjectively filtered [biased -
and herein lies the core problem with applied religion] and finally
applied on his/hers fellow men. Wich of you - "us", shall have
precedence or superiority in interpreting a basic moral/ethical code
[ words of God] huh? Priests? Mullahs?
Bush? Or in other words -He without sin , cast the first stone!
UlfBrettstam
Senior psychiatrist
Sweden
I have to say that your insightful and well-written remarks about this
complex topic really impressed me. Your have restored my faith in
usenet newsgroups as a medium for meaningful discussions between
intelligent human beings. Well done!
============================================
"If one doesn't clean the windows, the cat will be perplexed!"
Albert Einstein
http://archetype.com/macro_001.html
===========================================
You´re to kind!
Ulf
How quaint.
You have the seal of approval from the compulsive liar, deliberate
fraud, and retarded theist: James Norris.
It is a bit like the patient falling in love with the therapist!
--
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| User: "john p" |
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| Title: Re: Religion: true, false or useful? |
21 Jun 2007 04:22:10 PM |
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On Jun 21, 1:17 pm, Michael Gray <mikeg...@newsguy.com> wrote:
On Thu, 21 Jun 2007 04:28:56 -0700, orkeltatte<orkelta...@hotmail.com> wr=
ote:
- Refer: <1182425336.059707.217...@u2g2000hsc.googlegroups.com>
On Jun 21, 9:19 am, James Norris <JimNorri...@aol.com> wrote:
On Jun 21, 8:17?am, orkeltatte <orkelta...@hotmail.com> wrote:
Notice how the simple Word of God is ALL POWERFUL, it cuts to the =
heart,
pentrates sin, draws out iniquity.Cleanses .!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!=
!!!!!
The sinner cannot help but be insulted and reply with insult when=
attention
is drawn to the natural state of man.
Just a simple question: Let=B4s assume there is a God and let=B4s as=
sume s/
he is "ALL POWERFUL" - then this "God" must be able to create a rock
so heavy that s/he cannot lift it and hence the concept of "ALL
POWERFUL" is inherited contradictional in itself and an
impossibility! Right?
The concept of "the sinner" presupposes a human interpreter of a bas=
ic
moral/ethical code [words of God?] subjectively filtered [biased -
and herein lies the core problem with applied religion] and finally
applied on his/hers fellow men. Wich of you - "us", shall have
precedence or superiority in interpreting a basic moral/ethical code
[ words of God] huh? Priests? Mullahs?
Bush? Or in other words -He without sin , cast the first stone!
UlfBrettstam
Senior psychiatrist
Sweden
I have to say that your insightful and well-written remarks about this
complex topic really impressed me. Your have restored my faith in
usenet newsgroups as a medium for meaningful discussions between
intelligent human beings. Well done!
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
"If one doesn't clean the windows, the cat will be perplexed!"
Albert Einstein
http://archetype.com/macro_001.html
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
You=B4re to kind!
Ulf
How quaint.
You have the seal of approval from the compulsive liar, deliberate
fraud, and retarded theist: James Norris.
It is a bit like the patient falling in love with the therapist!
--
James Norris is a troll. He has posted that same message over usenet.
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| User: "orkeltatte" |
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| Title: Re: Religion: true, false or useful? |
22 Jun 2007 01:48:06 AM |
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On Jun 21, 11:22 pm, john p <john.ph...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Jun 21, 1:17 pm, Michael Gray <mikeg...@newsguy.com> wrote:
On Thu, 21 Jun 2007 04:28:56 -0700, orkeltatte<orkelta...@hotmail.com> =
wrote:
- Refer: <1182425336.059707.217...@u2g2000hsc.googlegroups.com>
On Jun 21, 9:19 am, James Norris <JimNorri...@aol.com> wrote:
On Jun 21, 8:17?am, orkeltatte <orkelta...@hotmail.com> wrote:
Notice how the simple Word of God is ALL POWERFUL, it cuts to th=
e heart,
pentrates sin, draws out iniquity.Cleanses .!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!=
!!!!!!!
The sinner cannot help but be insulted and reply with insult wh=
en attention
is drawn to the natural state of man.
Just a simple question: Let=B4s assume there is a God and let=B4s =
assume s/
he is "ALL POWERFUL" - then this "God" must be able to create a ro=
ck
so heavy that s/he cannot lift it and hence the concept of "ALL
POWERFUL" is inherited contradictional in itself and an
impossibility! Right?
The concept of "the sinner" presupposes a human interpreter of a b=
asic
moral/ethical code [words of God?] subjectively filtered [biased -
and herein lies the core problem with applied religion] and finally
applied on his/hers fellow men. Wich of you - "us", shall have
precedence or superiority in interpreting a basic moral/ethical co=
de
[ words of God] huh? Priests? Mullahs?
Bush? Or in other words -He without sin , cast the first stone!
UlfBrettstam
Senior psychiatrist
Sweden
I have to say that your insightful and well-written remarks about th=
is
complex topic really impressed me. Your have restored my faith in
usenet newsgroups as a medium for meaningful discussions between
intelligent human beings. Well done!
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
"If one doesn't clean the windows, the cat will be perplexed!"
Albert Einstein
http://archetype.com/macro_001.html
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
You=B4re to kind!
Ulf
How quaint.
You have the seal of approval from the compulsive liar, deliberate
fraud, and retarded theist: James Norris.
It is a bit like the patient falling in love with the therapist!
--
James Norris is a troll. He has posted that same message over usenet.
So he has.
;-D
Ulf
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| Title: Re: Religion: true, false or useful? |
20 Jun 2007 07:38:21 AM |
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On Jun 20, 1:09 pm, "Greg" <grandall11@optusnet(dot)com(dot)au> wrote:
"Christopher A.Lee" <c...@optonline.net> wrote in message
Joh 8:47 He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear [them]
not, because ye are not of God.
A brainwashed liar as well as an idiot, stupidly hiding behind a bible
he knows is worthless outside his religion.
Notice how the simple Word of God is ALL POWERFUL, it cuts to the heart,
pentrates sin, draws out iniquity.Cleanses .!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The sinner cannot help but be insulted and reply with insult when attention
is drawn to the natural state of man.
Deep within them something has begun, a seed has been sown, beyond their
understanding. They wonder why they are drawn to Christ even at this stage
of childishly insulting Him whom can bring them life and Joy. Unbeknownst to
them (now or in 30 years it makes no difference, but doing it now allevaites
mass suffering), but all in Gods plan another pagan has begun a journey to
worshiping The Name above All names. Jesus Christ.
Heb 4:12 For the word of God [is] quick, and powerful, and sharper than any
twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit,
and of the joints and marrow, and [is] a discerner of the thoughts and
intents of the heart.
Praise be to Him, Christ Jesus whom makes them bow even after they Blaspheme
His name a THOUSAND times.
Halleluja !!!!!!!
What is it with you morons?- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
You're entitled to your belief, and we are entitled to ours.
I think Jesus is a fictional character representing morality tales
that are quite good.
If I am wrong, and he is the all loving, all forgiving Son of God then
I still don't have to worry about it because God is
"benevolent"...which means "all forgiving", which means that no matter
what I say or do God/Jesus will forgive me.
It's a win win situation surely?
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| User: "Greg grandall11@optusnetdotcomdotau" |
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22 Jun 2007 04:55:51 AM |
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<brotherbenji2000@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1182343101.919647.17230@k79g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
On Jun 20, 1:09 pm, "Greg" <grandall11@optusnet(dot)com(dot)au> wrote:
"Christopher A.Lee" <c...@optonline.net> wrote in message
Joh 8:47 He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear
[them]
not, because ye are not of God.
A brainwashed liar as well as an idiot, stupidly hiding behind a bible
he knows is worthless outside his religion.
Notice how the simple Word of God is ALL POWERFUL, it cuts to the heart,
pentrates sin, draws out iniquity.Cleanses .!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The sinner cannot help but be insulted and reply with insult when
attention
is drawn to the natural state of man.
Deep within them something has begun, a seed has been sown, beyond their
understanding. They wonder why they are drawn to Christ even at this
stage
of childishly insulting Him whom can bring them life and Joy.
Unbeknownst to
them (now or in 30 years it makes no difference, but doing it now
allevaites
mass suffering), but all in Gods plan another pagan has begun a journey
to
worshiping The Name above All names. Jesus Christ.
Heb 4:12 For the word of God [is] quick, and powerful, and sharper than
any
twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and
spirit,
and of the joints and marrow, and [is] a discerner of the thoughts and
intents of the heart.
Praise be to Him, Christ Jesus whom makes them bow even after they
Blaspheme
His name a THOUSAND times.
Halleluja !!!!!!!
What is it with you morons?- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
You're entitled to your belief, and we are entitled to ours.
I think Jesus is a fictional character representing morality tales
that are quite good.
If I am wrong, and he is the all loving, all forgiving Son of God then
I still don't have to worry about it because God is
"benevolent"...which means "all forgiving", which means that no matter
what I say or do God/Jesus will forgive me.
It's a win win situation surely?
Sadly its NOT a win win for people like you.
God/Jesus is ONLY all forgiving of those that accept Him. The rest get what
they deserve Judgment and eternal seperation from God (seperation from ALL
good, which leaves ALL that is not good) IE eternal suffering in hell for
their sins.
Christ only cleanses the sins of those that choose him Ie those that He
chooses to.
Joh 3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth
not IS CONDEMNED ALREADY, because he hath not believed in the name of the
only begotten Son of God.
Joh 3:19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world,
and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
Cheers
Greg
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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| Title: Re: Religion: true, false or useful? |
22 Jun 2007 05:10:42 AM |
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"Greg" <grandall11@optusnet(dot)com(dot)au>
snip
Sadly its NOT a win win for people like you.
God/Jesus is ONLY all forgiving of those that accept Him. The rest get
what
they deserve Judgment and eternal seperation from God (seperation from ALL
good, which leaves ALL that is not good) IE eternal suffering in hell for
their sins.
Ah, don't you just love those christian threats. How smug you are.
--
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
BAAWA Knight!
#1557
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| User: "John Manning" |
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| Title: Re: Religion: true, false or useful? |
22 Jun 2007 08:48:28 AM |
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Greg wrote:
<brotherbenji2000@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1182343101.919647.17230@k79g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
On Jun 20, 1:09 pm, "Greg" <grandall11@optusnet(dot)com(dot)au> wrote:
"Christopher A.Lee" <c...@optonline.net> wrote in message
Joh 8:47 He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear
[them]
not, because ye are not of God.
A brainwashed liar as well as an idiot, stupidly hiding behind a bible
he knows is worthless outside his religion.
Notice how the simple Word of God is ALL POWERFUL, it cuts to the heart,
pentrates sin, draws out iniquity.Cleanses .!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The sinner cannot help but be insulted and reply with insult when
attention
is drawn to the natural state of man.
Deep within them something has begun, a seed has been sown, beyond their
understanding. They wonder why they are drawn to Christ even at this
stage
of childishly insulting Him whom can bring them life and Joy.
Unbeknownst to
them (now or in 30 years it makes no difference, but doing it now
allevaites
mass suffering), but all in Gods plan another pagan has begun a journey
to
worshiping The Name above All names. Jesus Christ.
Heb 4:12 For the word of God [is] quick, and powerful, and sharper than
any
twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and
spirit,
and of the joints and marrow, and [is] a discerner of the thoughts and
intents of the heart.
Praise be to Him, Christ Jesus whom makes them bow even after they
Blaspheme
His name a THOUSAND times.
Halleluja !!!!!!!
What is it with you morons?- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
You're entitled to your belief, and we are entitled to ours.
I think Jesus is a fictional character representing morality tales
that are quite good.
If I am wrong, and he is the all loving, all forgiving Son of God then
I still don't have to worry about it because God is
"benevolent"...which means "all forgiving", which means that no matter
what I say or do God/Jesus will forgive me.
It's a win win situation surely?
Sadly its NOT a win win for people like you.
God/Jesus is ONLY all forgiving of those that accept Him. The rest get what
they deserve Judgment and eternal seperation from God (seperation from ALL
good, which leaves ALL that is not good) IE eternal suffering in hell for
their sins.
Christ only cleanses the sins of those that choose him Ie those that He
chooses to.
Joh 3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth
not IS CONDEMNED ALREADY, because he hath not believed in the name of the
only begotten Son of God.
Joh 3:19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world,
and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
When will you quite being a bigot, Greg?
Cheers
Greg
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| User: "Greg grandall11@optusnetdotcomdotau" |
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| Title: Re: Religion: true, false or useful? |
22 Jun 2007 10:39:24 PM |
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"John Manning" <jrobertm@terra.com.br> wrote in message
news:Jr6dnSYt_P3qTubbnZ2dnUVZ_gGdnZ2d@giganews.com...
Greg wrote:
<brotherbenji2000@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1182343101.919647.17230@k79g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
On Jun 20, 1:09 pm, "Greg" <grandall11@optusnet(dot)com(dot)au> wrote:
"Christopher A.Lee" <c...@optonline.net> wrote in message
Joh 8:47 He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear
[them]
not, because ye are not of God.
A brainwashed liar as well as an idiot, stupidly hiding behind a
bible
he knows is worthless outside his religion.
Notice how the simple Word of God is ALL POWERFUL, it cuts to the
heart,
pentrates sin, draws out iniquity.Cleanses
..!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The sinner cannot help but be insulted and reply with insult when
attention
is drawn to the natural state of man.
Deep within them something has begun, a seed has been sown, beyond
their
understanding. They wonder why they are drawn to Christ even at this
stage
of childishly insulting Him whom can bring them life and Joy.
Unbeknownst to
them (now or in 30 years it makes no difference, but doing it now
allevaites
mass suffering), but all in Gods plan another pagan has begun a
journey
to
worshiping The Name above All names. Jesus Christ.
Heb 4:12 For the word of God [is] quick, and powerful, and sharper
than
any
twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and
spirit,
and of the joints and marrow, and [is] a discerner of the thoughts and
intents of the heart.
Praise be to Him, Christ Jesus whom makes them bow even after they
Blaspheme
His name a THOUSAND times.
Halleluja !!!!!!!
What is it with you morons?- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
You're entitled to your belief, and we are entitled to ours.
I think Jesus is a fictional character representing morality tales
that are quite good.
If I am wrong, and he is the all loving, all forgiving Son of God then
I still don't have to worry about it because God is
"benevolent"...which means "all forgiving", which means that no matter
what I say or do God/Jesus will forgive me.
It's a win win situation surely?
Sadly its NOT a win win for people like you.
God/Jesus is ONLY all forgiving of those that accept Him. The rest get
what
they deserve Judgment and eternal seperation from God (seperation from
ALL
good, which leaves ALL that is not good) IE eternal suffering in hell
for
their sins.
Christ only cleanses the sins of those that choose him Ie those that He
chooses to.
Joh 3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that
believeth
not IS CONDEMNED ALREADY, because he hath not believed in the name of
the
only begotten Son of God.
Joh 3:19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the
world,
and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
When will you quite being a bigot, Greg?
Manning has become a stalker because of his hate.
See what happens to your soul when you hate, cannot forgive and teach lies
John. You need Christ more than ever.
Greg
Cheers
Greg
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| User: "John Manning" |
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| Title: Re: Religion: true, false or useful? |
23 Jun 2007 08:01:11 AM |
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Greg wrote:
"John Manning" <jrobertm@terra.com.br> wrote in message
news:Jr6dnSYt_P3qTubbnZ2dnUVZ_gGdnZ2d@giganews.com...
Greg wrote:
<brotherbenji2000@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1182343101.919647.17230@k79g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
On Jun 20, 1:09 pm, "Greg" <grandall11@optusnet(dot)com(dot)au> wrote:
"Christopher A.Lee" <c...@optonline.net> wrote in message
Joh 8:47 He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear
[them]
not, because ye are not of God.
A brainwashed liar as well as an idiot, stupidly hiding behind a
bible
he knows is worthless outside his religion.
Notice how the simple Word of God is ALL POWERFUL, it cuts to the
heart,
pentrates sin, draws out iniquity.Cleanses
.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The sinner cannot help but be insulted and reply with insult when
attention
is drawn to the natural state of man.
Deep within them something has begun, a seed has been sown, beyond
their
understanding. They wonder why they are drawn to Christ even at this
stage
of childishly insulting Him whom can bring them life and Joy.
Unbeknownst to
them (now or in 30 years it makes no difference, but doing it now
allevaites
mass suffering), but all in Gods plan another pagan has begun a
journey
to
worshiping The Name above All names. Jesus Christ.
Heb 4:12 For the word of God [is] quick, and powerful, and sharper
than
any
twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and
spirit,
and of the joints and marrow, and [is] a discerner of the thoughts and
intents of the heart.
Praise be to Him, Christ Jesus whom makes them bow even after they
Blaspheme
His name a THOUSAND times.
Halleluja !!!!!!!
What is it with you morons?- Hide quoted text -
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You're entitled to your belief, and we are entitled to ours.
I think Jesus is a fictional character representing morality tales
that are quite good.
If I am wrong, and he is the all loving, all forgiving Son of God then
I still don't have to worry about it because God is
"benevolent"...which means "all forgiving", which means that no matter
what I say or do God/Jesus will forgive me.
It's a win win situation surely?
Sadly its NOT a win win for people like you.
God/Jesus is ONLY all forgiving of those that accept Him. The rest get
what
they deserve Judgment and eternal seperation from God (seperation from
ALL
good, which leaves ALL that is not good) IE eternal suffering in hell
for
their sins.
Christ only cleanses the sins of those that choose him Ie those that He
chooses to.
Joh 3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that
believeth
not IS CONDEMNED ALREADY, because he hath not believed in the name of
the
only begotten Son of God.
Joh 3:19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the
world,
and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
When will you quite being a bigot, Greg?
Manning has become a stalker because of his hate.
See what happens to your soul when you hate, cannot forgive and teach lies
John. You need Christ more than ever.
Greg hates people who don't believe like he does. He's a bigot who
claims that others need Christ when he himself is far away from Christ.
Greg
Cheers
Greg
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| User: "RetroProphet" |
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| Title: Re: Religion: true, false or useful? |
22 Jun 2007 05:24:54 AM |
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I
You're entitled to your belief, and we are entitled to ours.
I think Jesus is a fictional character representing morality tales
that are quite good.
If I am wrong, and he is the all loving, all forgiving Son of God then
I still don't have to worry about it because God is
"benevolent"...which means "all forgiving", which means that no matter
what I say or do God/Jesus will forgive me.
It's a win win situation surely?
Sadly its NOT a win win for people like you.
God/Jesus is ONLY all forgiving of those that accept Him. The rest get what
they deserve Judgment and eternal seperation from God (seperation from ALL
good, which leaves ALL that is not good) IE eternal suffering in hell for
their sins.
Christ only cleanses the sins of those that choose him Ie those that He
chooses to.
Joh 3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth
not IS CONDEMNED ALREADY, because he hath not believed in the name of the
only begotten Son of God.
Joh 3:19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world,
and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
Cheers
Greg
It is absurd to believe that belief in Jesus
as a deity is so exclusively important that
living in accordance with the moral teachings
of Jesus is of no consequence otherwise.
His moral teachings have withstood the test of time,
but claims made in his name that he will return soon
have not -- no rational man can ignore this,
and no God can either.
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| User: "Michael Gray" |
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| Title: Re: Religion: true, false or useful? |
22 Jun 2007 06:10:53 AM |
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On 22 Jun 2007 03:24:54 -0700, RetroProphet
<RetroProphet_member@newsguy.com> wrote:
- Refer: <f5g81m015dh@drn.newsguy.com>
I
You're entitled to your belief, and we are entitled to ours.
I think Jesus is a fictional character representing morality tales
that are quite good.
If I am wrong, and he is the all loving, all forgiving Son of God then
I still don't have to worry about it because God is
"benevolent"...which means "all forgiving", which means that no matter
what I say or do God/Jesus will forgive me.
It's a win win situation surely?
Sadly its NOT a win win for people like you.
God/Jesus is ONLY all forgiving of those that accept Him. The rest get what
they deserve Judgment and eternal seperation from God (seperation from ALL
good, which leaves ALL that is not good) IE eternal suffering in hell for
their sins.
Christ only cleanses the sins of those that choose him Ie those that He
chooses to.
Joh 3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth
not IS CONDEMNED ALREADY, because he hath not believed in the name of the
only begotten Son of God.
Joh 3:19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world,
and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
Cheers
Greg
It is absurd to believe that belief in Jesus
as a deity is so exclusively important that
living in accordance with the moral teachings
of Jesus is of no consequence otherwise.
His moral teachings have withstood the test of time,
but claims made in his name that he will return soon
have not -- no rational man can ignore this,
and no God can either.
Rational man?
But what about you, you delusional infantile cretin?
--
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