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Religious Belief & Social Damage - Gregory Paul on Oz ABC RN |
with Phillip Adams
Tuesday 4 October 2005
Religious Belief & Social Damage
Summary
A discussion with researcher Gregory Paul, about his world-first study
of data from the developed democratic countries in which he found a
clear relationship between high levels of religious belief and
practice, and social problems.
He finds the United States - the most religious of the western
democracies, indeed the only strongly Christian nation remaining among
the advanced democracies - does not emerge well ...
'Exceptionally Christian and anti-evolution America performs unusually
poorly in terms of rates of homicide, juvenile and adult mortality,
STD infections, abortion, and teen pregnancy and birth. America is the
only first world nation to retain second and third world rates of
religious belief and practice and disbelief in evolution, and is the
only first world nation to retain second and third world rates of
societal dysfunction.'
Guests on this program
Gregory Paul
Independent researcher.
Story Producer and Researcher:
Chris Bullock
Good listening @
http://www.abc.net.au/rn/talks/lnl/audio/lnl_04102005_2856.ram
http://www.abc.net.au/rn/talks/lnl/audio/lnl_04102005_28M.asx
http://www.abc.net.au/rn/podcast/feeds/lnl_20051004.mp3
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04 Oct 2005 04:47:16 PM |
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Meteorite Debris <epicurus1@YOUR_SHOESoptusnet.com.au> wrote in
news:MPG.1dad8cfd4bbc102e98a267@news.optusnet.com.au:
with Phillip Adams
Tuesday 4 October 2005
Religious Belief & Social Damage
Summary
A discussion with researcher Gregory Paul, about his world-first study
of data from the developed democratic countries in which he found a
clear relationship between high levels of religious belief and
practice, and social problems.
He finds the United States - the most religious of the western
democracies, indeed the only strongly Christian nation remaining among
the advanced democracies - does not emerge well ...
'Exceptionally Christian and anti-evolution America performs unusually
poorly in terms of rates of homicide, juvenile and adult mortality,
STD infections, abortion, and teen pregnancy and birth. America is the
only first world nation to retain second and third world rates of
religious belief and practice and disbelief in evolution, and is the
only first world nation to retain second and third world rates of
societal dysfunction.'
But does religious belief cause all those problems, or does having all
those problems cause religious belief?
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"So there is no third law of Terrydynamics."
-- William Hyde
Terry Austin
www.hyperbooks.com
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| Title: Re: Religious Belief & Social Damage - Gregory Paul on Oz ABC RN |
04 Oct 2005 05:28:59 PM |
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I think the point is simply that having religion doesn't cure the
social ills, not that one causes the other. People insist that
religion in schools or believeing in creationism will straighten our
kids out. If it can be shown that the vast majority of americans DO
believe in god and DO believe in creationism, etc... then the argument
falls apart.
No 33 Secretary wrote:
Meteorite Debris <epicurus1@YOUR_SHOESoptusnet.com.au> wrote in
news:MPG.1dad8cfd4bbc102e98a267@news.optusnet.com.au:
with Phillip Adams
Tuesday 4 October 2005
Religious Belief & Social Damage
Summary
A discussion with researcher Gregory Paul, about his world-first study
of data from the developed democratic countries in which he found a
clear relationship between high levels of religious belief and
practice, and social problems.
He finds the United States - the most religious of the western
democracies, indeed the only strongly Christian nation remaining among
the advanced democracies - does not emerge well ...
'Exceptionally Christian and anti-evolution America performs unusually
poorly in terms of rates of homicide, juvenile and adult mortality,
STD infections, abortion, and teen pregnancy and birth. America is the
only first world nation to retain second and third world rates of
religious belief and practice and disbelief in evolution, and is the
only first world nation to retain second and third world rates of
societal dysfunction.'
But does religious belief cause all those problems, or does having all
those problems cause religious belief?
--
"So there is no third law of Terrydynamics."
-- William Hyde
Terry Austin
www.hyperbooks.com
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| User: "No 33 Secretary" |
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| Title: Re: Religious Belief & Social Damage - Gregory Paul on Oz ABC RN |
04 Oct 2005 05:46:34 PM |
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wrote in
news:1128464939.483064.295680@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:
I think the point is simply that having religion doesn't cure the
social ills, not that one causes the other.
Perhaps, for the researcher, but I'll bet you a steak dinner that
(some) atheists will promote it as proof that religion causes society's
ills.
People insist that
religion in schools or believeing in creationism will straighten our
kids out.
Some do. They're about as smart as the atheists noted above. But as soon as
you want to dicuss whether or not that's true, you do need to address what
is cause, and what is effect. Perhaps, with a longer historical view, we
will discover that when times get bad, people turn to religion, and that,
in turn, improves things. That is what (some) theists will argue, at any
rate.
If it can be shown that the vast majority of americans DO
believe in god and DO believe in creationism, etc... then the argument
falls apart.
I do think that a credible argument can be made that historically, people
tend to become more religious when times are bad. Thus, the present
research could easily be interpreted as society's ills causing religion,
and not the other way round. But both could be caused by something else, or
it could just be unrelated coincidence.
In any event, a correlation, without addressing causation, can be
interesting, but isn't terribly useful for anyone.
No 33 Secretary wrote:
Meteorite Debris <epicurus1@YOUR_SHOESoptusnet.com.au> wrote in
news:MPG.1dad8cfd4bbc102e98a267@news.optusnet.com.au:
with Phillip Adams
Tuesday 4 October 2005
Religious Belief & Social Damage
Summary
A discussion with researcher Gregory Paul, about his world-first study
of data from the developed democratic countries in which he found a
clear relationship between high levels of religious belief and
practice, and social problems.
He finds the United States - the most religious of the western
democracies, indeed the only strongly Christian nation remaining among
the advanced democracies - does not emerge well ...
'Exceptionally Christian and anti-evolution America performs unusually
poorly in terms of rates of homicide, juvenile and adult mortality,
STD infections, abortion, and teen pregnancy and birth. America is the
only first world nation to retain second and third world rates of
religious belief and practice and disbelief in evolution, and is the
only first world nation to retain second and third world rates of
societal dysfunction.'
But does religious belief cause all those problems, or does having all
those problems cause religious belief?
--
"So there is no third law of Terrydynamics."
-- William Hyde
Terry Austin
www.hyperbooks.com
--
"So there is no third law of Terrydynamics."
-- William Hyde
Terry Austin
www.hyperbooks.com
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| User: "Tink" |
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| Title: Re: Religious Belief & Social Damage - Gregory Paul on Oz ABC RN |
05 Oct 2005 04:24:59 PM |
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No 33 Secretary wrote:
Meteorite Debris <epicurus1@YOUR_SHOESoptusnet.com.au> wrote in
news:MPG.1dad8cfd4bbc102e98a267@news.optusnet.com.au:
with Phillip Adams
Tuesday 4 October 2005
Religious Belief & Social Damage
Summary
A discussion with researcher Gregory Paul, about his world-first study
of data from the developed democratic countries in which he found a
clear relationship between high levels of religious belief and
practice, and social problems.
He finds the United States - the most religious of the western
democracies, indeed the only strongly Christian nation remaining among
the advanced democracies - does not emerge well ...
'Exceptionally Christian and anti-evolution America performs unusually
poorly in terms of rates of homicide, juvenile and adult mortality,
STD infections, abortion, and teen pregnancy and birth. America is the
only first world nation to retain second and third world rates of
religious belief and practice and disbelief in evolution, and is the
only first world nation to retain second and third world rates of
societal dysfunction.'
But does religious belief cause all those problems, or does having all
those problems cause religious belief?
I'll come right out and say it: Religion is the root cause of social
dysfunction. Every progress, social and otherwise, that has been made
since the renascence has come IN SPITE OF, not because of religion.
Everywhere progress of any kind tries to advance, the religious try to
stop it. Look at what's going on in the US right now: science is under
attack on all fronts, not just evolution. The demand for censorship is
at an all time high. Public education is threatened with dismantling.
Even the dispensing of prescribed medicines is threatened with
prohibition. Medical science is increasingly inhibited, and lagging
behind the rest of the world.
All this is due to the influence of religion. That sad and silly
devotion to mythology that leaves nothing but devastation, chaos and
strife in its wake.
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away... It really pisses him off.
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| User: "No 33 Secretary" |
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05 Oct 2005 04:52:55 PM |
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Tink <kjgrish@comcast.net.spamno.ccom> wrote in news:b4ednfne_oox2dneRVn-
qw@comcast.com:
No 33 Secretary wrote:
Meteorite Debris <epicurus1@YOUR_SHOESoptusnet.com.au> wrote in
news:MPG.1dad8cfd4bbc102e98a267@news.optusnet.com.au:
with Phillip Adams
Tuesday 4 October 2005
Religious Belief & Social Damage
Summary
A discussion with researcher Gregory Paul, about his world-first study
of data from the developed democratic countries in which he found a
clear relationship between high levels of religious belief and
practice, and social problems.
He finds the United States - the most religious of the western
democracies, indeed the only strongly Christian nation remaining among
the advanced democracies - does not emerge well ...
'Exceptionally Christian and anti-evolution America performs unusually
poorly in terms of rates of homicide, juvenile and adult mortality,
STD infections, abortion, and teen pregnancy and birth. America is the
only first world nation to retain second and third world rates of
religious belief and practice and disbelief in evolution, and is the
only first world nation to retain second and third world rates of
societal dysfunction.'
But does religious belief cause all those problems, or does having all
those problems cause religious belief?
I'll come right out and say it: Religion is the root cause of social
dysfunction.
And your unsupported claims are exactly as credible as the fundies' claim
to the contrary.
--
"So there is no third law of Terrydynamics."
-- William Hyde
Terry Austin
www.hyperbooks.com
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