Religions > Atheism > Religious fanatics beware - a new trend and a giant first step for mankind -- eliminating the bible at Universities
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"The real God" |
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24 Oct 2005 01:07:42 PM |
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Religious fanatics beware - a new trend and a giant first step for mankind -- eliminating the bible at Universities |
Edinburgh University is set to ban Bibles from its
student halls of residence amid concern that the
Holy Book is discriminatory and makes students of
other faiths feel unwelcome.
The move is the result of protests from the
students association and is being considered in an
effort to pursue a policy of evenly supporting all
faith, a university spokesman said yesterday.
A Gideon Bible is traditionally placed in every
new student's room at the start of the academic
year and there are currently around 2,000 Bibles
in the Pollock Halls campus on the edge of
Holyrood Park.
Their distribution is now seen as inappropriate
and potentially offensive to non-Christians. The
student body is drawn from 120 countries and
represents a broad spectrum of faiths, it is
argued.
Ruth Cameron, president of the Edinburgh
University Student's Association, said yesterday
that it was important that students from different
cultures were made to feel welcome. "The student
association strongly believes in the importance of
ensuring that students of all faiths feel at home
in their university accommodation" she said.
"We simply don't want to be seen promoting one
religion over another. This is not about attacking
Christianity. It is about respecting diversity."
The proposal will be voted on by the student
association and is then expected to be rubber
stamped by the university.
Two years ago Edinburgh University stopped saying
prayers at its graduation ceremonies for similar
reasons.
This year Stirling University was forced to
abandon plans to remove 6,000 Bibles from its
student halls after a storm of protest from
offended Christians. As a compromise the
university instead invited all religious groups to
supply copies of their holy texts.
The Reverend John Munro, a former chaplain at
Stirling University, said at the time that
withdrawing any book from a place of study smacked
of intolerance. "I think there's an agenda here,
seemingly politically correct, but there's
actually a hostility towards faith by those who
have none. This is repeating the worst errors
which the Christian faith used to have" he said.
An Edinburgh University spokesman said: "The
University of Edinburgh does its best to take the
wishes of the student body into account. Further
meetings will now determine if, when and how this
will be implemented.
"The student body is made up of diverse faith
backgrounds which are evenly supported by the
University Chaplaincy which pursues a policy of
supporting all faiths and none."
Gideons International distribute more than
63,000,000 copies of its Bible worldwide every
year and many appear in hotel rooms, hospitals and
prisons.
The Reverend John Lowry, of Niddrie Parish Church
in Edinburgh, said: "It is very disappointing from
our point of view. But I can understand why people
have chosen to do this."
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| Title: Re: Religious fanatics beware - a new trend and a giant first step for mankind -- eliminating the bible at Universities |
25 Oct 2005 09:52:42 PM |
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"The real God" <god@overyourface.net> wrote in message
news:ak8ql1tkm3c7liqpbniochdlkr93o7o5p6@4ax.com...
Edinburgh University is set to ban Bibles from its
student halls of residence amid concern that the
Holy Book is discriminatory and makes students of
other faiths feel unwelcome.
The move is the result of protests from the
students association and is being considered in an
effort to pursue a policy of evenly supporting all
faith, a university spokesman said yesterday.
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You can remove all of the Bibles in the world, but you can never remove the
truths of the righteous who have those words written on their hearts and
minds.
--
Dore
www.dorewilliamson.com
"The real God" <god@overyourface.net> wrote in message
news:ak8ql1tkm3c7liqpbniochdlkr93o7o5p6@4ax.com...
Edinburgh University is set to ban Bibles from its
student halls of residence amid concern that the
Holy Book is discriminatory and makes students of
other faiths feel unwelcome.
The move is the result of protests from the
students association and is being considered in an
effort to pursue a policy of evenly supporting all
faith, a university spokesman said yesterday.
A Gideon Bible is traditionally placed in every
new student's room at the start of the academic
year and there are currently around 2,000 Bibles
in the Pollock Halls campus on the edge of
Holyrood Park.
Their distribution is now seen as inappropriate
and potentially offensive to non-Christians. The
student body is drawn from 120 countries and
represents a broad spectrum of faiths, it is
argued.
Ruth Cameron, president of the Edinburgh
University Student's Association, said yesterday
that it was important that students from different
cultures were made to feel welcome. "The student
association strongly believes in the importance of
ensuring that students of all faiths feel at home
in their university accommodation" she said.
"We simply don't want to be seen promoting one
religion over another. This is not about attacking
Christianity. It is about respecting diversity."
The proposal will be voted on by the student
association and is then expected to be rubber
stamped by the university.
Two years ago Edinburgh University stopped saying
prayers at its graduation ceremonies for similar
reasons.
This year Stirling University was forced to
abandon plans to remove 6,000 Bibles from its
student halls after a storm of protest from
offended Christians. As a compromise the
university instead invited all religious groups to
supply copies of their holy texts.
The Reverend John Munro, a former chaplain at
Stirling University, said at the time that
withdrawing any book from a place of study smacked
of intolerance. "I think there's an agenda here,
seemingly politically correct, but there's
actually a hostility towards faith by those who
have none. This is repeating the worst errors
which the Christian faith used to have" he said.
An Edinburgh University spokesman said: "The
University of Edinburgh does its best to take the
wishes of the student body into account. Further
meetings will now determine if, when and how this
will be implemented.
"The student body is made up of diverse faith
backgrounds which are evenly supported by the
University Chaplaincy which pursues a policy of
supporting all faiths and none."
Gideons International distribute more than
63,000,000 copies of its Bible worldwide every
year and many appear in hotel rooms, hospitals and
prisons.
The Reverend John Lowry, of Niddrie Parish Church
in Edinburgh, said: "It is very disappointing from
our point of view. But I can understand why people
have chosen to do this."
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| User: "Conspiracy of Doves" |
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| Title: Re: Religious fanatics beware - a new trend and a giant first step for mankind -- eliminating the bible at Universities |
24 Oct 2005 03:19:08 PM |
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It would be wrong to remove any book from a library. The bible should
simply be relocated to the mythology section, where it belongs.
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| User: "raven1" |
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| Title: Re: Religious fanatics beware - a new trend and a giant first step for mankind -- eliminating the bible at Universities |
24 Oct 2005 03:14:45 PM |
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On Mon, 24 Oct 2005 13:07:42 -0500, The real God
<god@overyourface.net> wrote:
Edinburgh University is set to ban Bibles from its
student halls of residence amid concern that the
Holy Book is discriminatory and makes students of
other faiths feel unwelcome.
A lie is a very poor way to start off a post. The University is
ceasing to distribute Bibles, not banning them.
<snip remaining crap>
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"This is how liberty dies: with thunderous applause"
- Padme Amidala, Episode III
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| User: "Peter Besenbruch" |
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| Title: Re: Religious fanatics beware - a new trend and a giant first step for mankind -- eliminating the bible at Universities |
24 Oct 2005 01:53:30 PM |
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On Mon, 24 Oct 2005 13:07:42 -0500, The real God wrote:
Edinburgh University is set to ban Bibles from its
student halls of residence amid concern that the
Holy Book is discriminatory and makes students of
other faiths feel unwelcome.
I wouldn't have a problem with the policy if personal Bibles were
permitted. The article wasn't clear, but the main thrust was against the
placing of Gideon Bibles in all rooms.
The Reverend John Lowry, of Niddrie Parish Church
in Edinburgh, said: "It is very disappointing from
our point of view. But I can understand why people
have chosen to do this."
An alternative would be to allow other faith groups to place their
scriptures in each room as well, but that could get a tad messy.
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| User: "cirejcon" |
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| Title: Re: Religious fanatics beware - a new trend and a giant first step for mankind -- eliminating the bible at Universities |
24 Oct 2005 01:18:00 PM |
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The real God wrote:
Edinburgh University is set to ban Bibles from its
student halls of residence amid concern that the
Holy Book is discriminatory and makes students of
other faiths feel unwelcome.
The title and the first paragraph are very misleading.
No one is talking about "banning" or "eliminating"
bibles. They're talking about NOT putting bibles
in the rooms of students who may not want them there.
I'm sure nothing would make a Hindu student feel
more welcome at his new university than a
pre-installed Bible in his drawer.
-jc
The move is the result of protests from the
students association and is being considered in an
effort to pursue a policy of evenly supporting all
faith, a university spokesman said yesterday.
A Gideon Bible is traditionally placed in every
new student's room at the start of the academic
year and there are currently around 2,000 Bibles
in the Pollock Halls campus on the edge of
Holyrood Park.
Their distribution is now seen as inappropriate
and potentially offensive to non-Christians. The
student body is drawn from 120 countries and
represents a broad spectrum of faiths, it is
argued.
Ruth Cameron, president of the Edinburgh
University Student's Association, said yesterday
that it was important that students from different
cultures were made to feel welcome. "The student
association strongly believes in the importance of
ensuring that students of all faiths feel at home
in their university accommodation" she said.
"We simply don't want to be seen promoting one
religion over another. This is not about attacking
Christianity. It is about respecting diversity."
The proposal will be voted on by the student
association and is then expected to be rubber
stamped by the university.
Two years ago Edinburgh University stopped saying
prayers at its graduation ceremonies for similar
reasons.
This year Stirling University was forced to
abandon plans to remove 6,000 Bibles from its
student halls after a storm of protest from
offended Christians. As a compromise the
university instead invited all religious groups to
supply copies of their holy texts.
The Reverend John Munro, a former chaplain at
Stirling University, said at the time that
withdrawing any book from a place of study smacked
of intolerance. "I think there's an agenda here,
seemingly politically correct, but there's
actually a hostility towards faith by those who
have none. This is repeating the worst errors
which the Christian faith used to have" he said.
An Edinburgh University spokesman said: "The
University of Edinburgh does its best to take the
wishes of the student body into account. Further
meetings will now determine if, when and how this
will be implemented.
"The student body is made up of diverse faith
backgrounds which are evenly supported by the
University Chaplaincy which pursues a policy of
supporting all faiths and none."
Gideons International distribute more than
63,000,000 copies of its Bible worldwide every
year and many appear in hotel rooms, hospitals and
prisons.
The Reverend John Lowry, of Niddrie Parish Church
in Edinburgh, said: "It is very disappointing from
our point of view. But I can understand why people
have chosen to do this."
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| User: "kathryn" |
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| Title: Re: Religious fanatics beware - a new trend and a giant first step for mankind -- eliminating the bible at Universities |
24 Oct 2005 02:05:55 PM |
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"cirejcon" <cirejcon@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1130177880.640569.28800@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
The real God wrote:
Edinburgh University is set to ban Bibles from its
student halls of residence amid concern that the
Holy Book is discriminatory and makes students of
other faiths feel unwelcome.
The title and the first paragraph are very misleading.
No one is talking about "banning" or "eliminating"
bibles. They're talking about NOT putting bibles
in the rooms of students who may not want them there.
I'm sure nothing would make a Hindu student feel
more welcome at his new university than a
pre-installed Bible in his drawer.
-jc
Watch the rabid anti PC brigade jump up in down frothing at the mouth
though.
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| User: "Peter Besenbruch" |
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| Title: Re: Religious fanatics beware - a new trend and a giant first step for mankind -- eliminating the bible at Universities |
24 Oct 2005 02:24:42 PM |
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On Mon, 24 Oct 2005 19:05:55 +0000, kathryn wrote:
Watch the rabid anti PC brigade jump up in down frothing at the mouth
though.
Haven't seen it much, yet. You sound like you are looking forward to it.
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| User: "Pastor Dave" |
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| Title: Re: Religious fanatics beware - a new trend and a giant first step for mankind -- eliminating the bible at Universities |
24 Oct 2005 01:21:59 PM |
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On 24 Oct 2005 11:18:00 -0700, "cirejcon"
<cirejcon@yahoo.com> spake thusly:
The real God wrote:
Edinburgh University is set to ban Bibles from its
student halls of residence amid concern that the
Holy Book is discriminatory and makes students of
other faiths feel unwelcome.
The title and the first paragraph are very misleading.
No one is talking about "banning" or "eliminating"
bibles. They're talking about NOT putting bibles
in the rooms of students who may not want them there.
I'm sure nothing would make a Hindu student feel
more welcome at his new university than a
pre-installed Bible in his drawer.
There are colleges in India.
--
Pastor Dave
1st Century Church of Christ
The "end timers" believe in a physical kingdom here on earth
and think that death being conquered is talking about our
physical death. I have a question then, using the two verses
that they always quote and knowing that the Bible doesn't
contradict itself...
"There will not be an infant, nor an old man that has not
filled his days. For the child will die a hundred years old;
but the sinner who is a hundred years old will be despised."
- Isaiah 65:20
"And God will wipe away all tears from their eyes. And there
will be no more death, nor mourning, nor crying out, nor will
there be any more pain; for the first things passed away."
- Revelation 21:4
So which is it? Will the child die 100 years old? Or will
there be no more death? One or the other is true, but both
can't be true. So either they are taking symbolism literally
and misunderstanding the verses, or the Bible contradicts
itself. I know which one I believe. :)
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| User: "Peter Besenbruch" |
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| Title: Re: Religious fanatics beware - a new trend and a giant first step for mankind -- eliminating the bible at Universities |
24 Oct 2005 01:57:31 PM |
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On 24 Oct 2005 11:18:00 -0700, "cirejcon"
<cirejcon@yahoo.com> spake thusly:
I'm sure nothing would make a Hindu student feel
more welcome at his new university than a
pre-installed Bible in his drawer.
On Mon, 24 Oct 2005 18:21:59 +0000, Pastor Dave wrote:
There are colleges in India.
And in Pakistan, and in Egypt. I would suspect there a larger number of
Muslims attending university in Scotland than Hindus. In addition, I
suspect a fair number of these were born and raised in Britain and are
citizens of that country.
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| User: "cirejcon" |
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| Title: Re: Religious fanatics beware - a new trend and a giant first step for mankind -- eliminating the bible at Universities |
24 Oct 2005 02:13:33 PM |
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Pastor Dave wrote:
On 24 Oct 2005 11:18:00 -0700, "cirejcon"
<cirejcon@yahoo.com> spake thusly:
The real God wrote:
Edinburgh University is set to ban Bibles from its
student halls of residence amid concern that the
Holy Book is discriminatory and makes students of
other faiths feel unwelcome.
The title and the first paragraph are very misleading.
No one is talking about "banning" or "eliminating"
bibles. They're talking about NOT putting bibles
in the rooms of students who may not want them there.
I'm sure nothing would make a Hindu student feel
more welcome at his new university than a
pre-installed Bible in his drawer.
There are colleges in India.
Meaning what? British Hindus should be expected
to leave the country to attend college?
-jc
--
Pastor Dave
1st Century Church of Christ
The "end timers" believe in a physical kingdom here on earth
and think that death being conquered is talking about our
physical death. I have a question then, using the two verses
that they always quote and knowing that the Bible doesn't
contradict itself...
"There will not be an infant, nor an old man that has not
filled his days. For the child will die a hundred years old;
but the sinner who is a hundred years old will be despised."
- Isaiah 65:20
"And God will wipe away all tears from their eyes. And there
will be no more death, nor mourning, nor crying out, nor will
there be any more pain; for the first things passed away."
- Revelation 21:4
So which is it? Will the child die 100 years old? Or will
there be no more death? One or the other is true, but both
can't be true. So either they are taking symbolism literally
and misunderstanding the verses, or the Bible contradicts
itself. I know which one I believe. :)
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| User: "Pastor Dave" |
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| Title: Re: Religious fanatics beware - a new trend and a giant first step for mankind -- eliminating the bible at Universities |
24 Oct 2005 02:26:07 PM |
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On 24 Oct 2005 12:13:33 -0700, "cirejcon"
<cirejcon@yahoo.com> spake thusly:
Pastor Dave wrote:
On 24 Oct 2005 11:18:00 -0700, "cirejcon"
<cirejcon@yahoo.com> spake thusly:
The real God wrote:
Edinburgh University is set to ban Bibles from its
student halls of residence amid concern that the
Holy Book is discriminatory and makes students of
other faiths feel unwelcome.
The title and the first paragraph are very misleading.
No one is talking about "banning" or "eliminating"
bibles. They're talking about NOT putting bibles
in the rooms of students who may not want them there.
I'm sure nothing would make a Hindu student feel
more welcome at his new university than a
pre-installed Bible in his drawer.
There are colleges in India.
Meaning what? British Hindus should be expected
to leave the country to attend college?
If they think Bibles shouldn't be found in America,
then yea.
--
Pastor Dave
1st Century Church of Christ
The "end timers" believe in a physical kingdom here on earth
and think that death being conquered is talking about our
physical death. I have a question then, using the two verses
that they always quote and knowing that the Bible doesn't
contradict itself...
"There will not be an infant, nor an old man that has not
filled his days. For the child will die a hundred years old;
but the sinner who is a hundred years old will be despised."
- Isaiah 65:20
"And God will wipe away all tears from their eyes. And there
will be no more death, nor mourning, nor crying out, nor will
there be any more pain; for the first things passed away."
- Revelation 21:4
So which is it? Will the child die 100 years old? Or will
there be no more death? One or the other is true, but both
can't be true. So either they are taking symbolism literally
and misunderstanding the verses, or the Bible contradicts
itself. I know which one I believe. :)
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| Title: Re: Religious fanatics beware - a new trend and a giant first step for mankind -- eliminating the bible at Universities |
24 Oct 2005 02:49:26 PM |
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"Pastor Dave" <1news-group-mail1@nospam-tampa-bay.rr.com> wrote in message
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On 24 Oct 2005 12:13:33 -0700, "cirejcon"
<cirejcon@yahoo.com> spake thusly:
Pastor Dave wrote:
On 24 Oct 2005 11:18:00 -0700, "cirejcon"
<cirejcon@yahoo.com> spake thusly:
The real God wrote:
Edinburgh University is set to ban Bibles from its
student halls of residence amid concern that the
Holy Book is discriminatory and makes students of
other faiths feel unwelcome.
The title and the first paragraph are very misleading.
No one is talking about "banning" or "eliminating"
bibles. They're talking about NOT putting bibles
in the rooms of students who may not want them there.
I'm sure nothing would make a Hindu student feel
more welcome at his new university than a
pre-installed Bible in his drawer.
There are colleges in India.
Meaning what? British Hindus should be expected
to leave the country to attend college?
If they think Bibles shouldn't be found in America,
then yea.
This response reveals you to be mind-bogglingly stupid.
Here are some questions for you:
1) Where do you think Edinburgh is?
2) Why would you think that "bibles placed in student dorms by outsiders" is
equivalent to "bibles being found [anywhere?] in America?
3) With no functional cognitive capacity, how do you type?
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| User: "Peter Besenbruch" |
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| Title: Re: Religious fanatics beware - a new trend and a giant first step for mankind -- eliminating the bible at Universities |
24 Oct 2005 03:06:41 PM |
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On Mon, 24 Oct 2005 15:49:26 -0400, Mark Stahl wrote:
Here are some questions for you:
1) Where do you think Edinburgh is?
Indiana?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edinburgh%2C_Indiana
Sorry, couldn't resist. And they even have a kind of "university" there, a
National Guard training center.
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| User: "Pastor Dave" |
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24 Oct 2005 05:13:11 PM |
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On Mon, 24 Oct 2005 10:06:41 -1000, Peter Besenbruch
<peter@no.junk.lava.net> spake thusly:
On Mon, 24 Oct 2005 15:49:26 -0400, Mark Stahl wrote:
Here are some questions for you:
1) Where do you think Edinburgh is?
Indiana?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edinburgh%2C_Indiana
Sorry, couldn't resist. And they even have a kind of "university" there, a
National Guard training center.
Yea, my bad. I confused two posts.
--
Pastor Dave
1st Century Church of Christ
The "end timers" believe in a physical kingdom here on earth
and think that death being conquered is talking about our
physical death. I have a question then, using the two verses
that they always quote and knowing that the Bible doesn't
contradict itself...
"There will not be an infant, nor an old man that has not
filled his days. For the child will die a hundred years old;
but the sinner who is a hundred years old will be despised."
- Isaiah 65:20
"And God will wipe away all tears from their eyes. And there
will be no more death, nor mourning, nor crying out, nor will
there be any more pain; for the first things passed away."
- Revelation 21:4
So which is it? Will the child die 100 years old? Or will
there be no more death? One or the other is true, but both
can't be true. So either they are taking symbolism literally
and misunderstanding the verses, or the Bible contradicts
itself. I know which one I believe. :)
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| User: "Uncle Vic" |
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| Title: Re: Religious fanatics beware - a new trend and a giant first step for mankind -- eliminating the bible at Universities |
24 Oct 2005 03:18:12 PM |
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on 24 Oct 2005 in alt.atheism, dear sweet Mark Stahl
(stahl@nospam.aecom.yu.edu) made the light shine upon us with this:
3) With no functional cognitive capacity, how do you type?
Hunt & pecker.
--
Uncle Vic
aa#2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department
Today's warm fuzzy example of Christian Love:
"I told you many times that you should thank Christian Americans that they
gave you a free place to live in Texas and a welfare so you could buy food
to eat you fucking filthy Jew !!!! If America did not give you billions of
dollars every year your fucking Jewishstan could be a history like it was
for a thousand years. Shame on you, you fucking dirty, ugly and barbaric
Jew !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Go to hell you shitted Jew." -- Andy
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28 Oct 2005 05:35:49 PM |
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On Mon, 24 Oct 2005 15:18:12 -0500, Uncle Vic <address@withheld.com>
in news message <Xns96F98796F9715vicman@127.0.0.1> wrote:
on 24 Oct 2005 in alt.atheism, dear sweet Mark Stahl
(stahl@nospam.aecom.yu.edu) made the light shine upon us with this:
3) With no functional cognitive capacity, how do you type?
Hunt & pecker.
Doesn't that hurt?
Liz #658 BAAWA
Head Wrangler: EAC Petting Zoo and Cafeteria (ntie,oc)
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| User: "The Voice of Reason" |
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24 Oct 2005 03:46:06 PM |
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On Mon, 24 Oct 2005 19:26:07 GMT, Pastor Dave
<1news-group-mail1@nospam-tampa-bay.rr.com> wrote:
<> On 24 Oct 2005 12:13:33 -0700, "cirejcon"
<> <cirejcon@yahoo.com> spake thusly:
<>
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<> >Pastor Dave wrote:
<> >> On 24 Oct 2005 11:18:00 -0700, "cirejcon"
<> >> <cirejcon@yahoo.com> spake thusly:
<> >>
<> >> >
<> >> >The real God wrote:
<> >> >> Edinburgh University is set to ban Bibles
from its
<> >> >> student halls of residence amid concern
that the
<> >> >> Holy Book is discriminatory and makes
students of
<> >> >> other faiths feel unwelcome.
<> >> >>
<> >> >
<> >> >The title and the first paragraph are very
misleading.
<> >> >No one is talking about "banning" or
"eliminating"
<> >> >bibles. They're talking about NOT putting
bibles
<> >> >in the rooms of students who may not want
them there.
<> >> >
<> >> >I'm sure nothing would make a Hindu student
feel
<> >> >more welcome at his new university than a
<> >> >pre-installed Bible in his drawer.
<> >>
<> >> There are colleges in India.
<> >>
<> >
<> >Meaning what? British Hindus should be
expected
<> >to leave the country to attend college?
<>
<> If they think Bibles shouldn't be found in
America,
<> then yea.
Like the slow demise of smoking in public was
started with a single act, this ban is just the
first step toward cutting out that which is
harmful to living people. Today religion;
tomorrow unsafe sex. Then, Irish whiskey and
country music.
As mama Cass used to sing, "It's getting better!".
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| User: "cirejcon" |
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24 Oct 2005 03:22:29 PM |
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Pastor Dave wrote:
On 24 Oct 2005 12:13:33 -0700, "cirejcon"
<cirejcon@yahoo.com> spake thusly:
Pastor Dave wrote:
On 24 Oct 2005 11:18:00 -0700, "cirejcon"
<cirejcon@yahoo.com> spake thusly:
The real God wrote:
Edinburgh University is set to ban Bibles from its
student halls of residence amid concern that the
Holy Book is discriminatory and makes students of
other faiths feel unwelcome.
The title and the first paragraph are very misleading.
No one is talking about "banning" or "eliminating"
bibles. They're talking about NOT putting bibles
in the rooms of students who may not want them there.
I'm sure nothing would make a Hindu student feel
more welcome at his new university than a
pre-installed Bible in his drawer.
There are colleges in India.
Meaning what? British Hindus should be expected
to leave the country to attend college?
If they think Bibles shouldn't be found in America,
then yea.
So you're saying Hindus in the UK should go to India because
they think there shouldn't be Bibles in America?
I'm a bit confused.
-jc
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Pastor Dave
1st Century Church of Christ
The "end timers" believe in a physical kingdom here on earth
and think that death being conquered is talking about our
physical death. I have a question then, using the two verses
that they always quote and knowing that the Bible doesn't
contradict itself...
"There will not be an infant, nor an old man that has not
filled his days. For the child will die a hundred years old;
but the sinner who is a hundred years old will be despised."
- Isaiah 65:20
"And God will wipe away all tears from their eyes. And there
will be no more death, nor mourning, nor crying out, nor will
there be any more pain; for the first things passed away."
- Revelation 21:4
So which is it? Will the child die 100 years old? Or will
there be no more death? One or the other is true, but both
can't be true. So either they are taking symbolism literally
and misunderstanding the verses, or the Bible contradicts
itself. I know which one I believe. :)
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| User: "Pastor Dave" |
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| Title: Re: Religious fanatics beware - a new trend and a giant first step for mankind -- eliminating the bible at Universities |
24 Oct 2005 05:13:44 PM |
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On 24 Oct 2005 13:22:29 -0700, "cirejcon"
<cirejcon@yahoo.com> spake thusly:
Pastor Dave wrote:
On 24 Oct 2005 12:13:33 -0700, "cirejcon"
<cirejcon@yahoo.com> spake thusly:
Pastor Dave wrote:
On 24 Oct 2005 11:18:00 -0700, "cirejcon"
<cirejcon@yahoo.com> spake thusly:
The real God wrote:
Edinburgh University is set to ban Bibles from its
student halls of residence amid concern that the
Holy Book is discriminatory and makes students of
other faiths feel unwelcome.
The title and the first paragraph are very misleading.
No one is talking about "banning" or "eliminating"
bibles. They're talking about NOT putting bibles
in the rooms of students who may not want them there.
I'm sure nothing would make a Hindu student feel
more welcome at his new university than a
pre-installed Bible in his drawer.
There are colleges in India.
Meaning what? British Hindus should be expected
to leave the country to attend college?
If they think Bibles shouldn't be found in America,
then yea.
So you're saying Hindus in the UK should go to India because
they think there shouldn't be Bibles in America?
I'm a bit confused.
I know. The UK moved. We'll try to keep you posted
next time.
--
Pastor Dave
1st Century Church of Christ
The "end timers" believe in a physical kingdom here on earth
and think that death being conquered is talking about our
physical death. I have a question then, using the two verses
that they always quote and knowing that the Bible doesn't
contradict itself...
"There will not be an infant, nor an old man that has not
filled his days. For the child will die a hundred years old;
but the sinner who is a hundred years old will be despised."
- Isaiah 65:20
"And God will wipe away all tears from their eyes. And there
will be no more death, nor mourning, nor crying out, nor will
there be any more pain; for the first things passed away."
- Revelation 21:4
So which is it? Will the child die 100 years old? Or will
there be no more death? One or the other is true, but both
can't be true. So either they are taking symbolism literally
and misunderstanding the verses, or the Bible contradicts
itself. I know which one I believe. :)
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| User: "Uncle Vic" |
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| Title: Re: Religious fanatics beware - a new trend and a giant first step for mankind -- eliminating the bible at Universities |
24 Oct 2005 02:42:14 PM |
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on 24 Oct 2005 in alt.atheism, dear sweet Pastor Dave (1news-group-
mail1@nospam-tampa-bay.rr.com) made the light shine upon us with this:
I'm sure nothing would make a Hindu student feel
more welcome at his new university than a
pre-installed Bible in his drawer.
There are colleges in India.
Meaning what? British Hindus should be expected
to leave the country to attend college?
If they think Bibles shouldn't be found in America,
then yea.
Unfortunately, America is the most likely place to find bibles.
--
Uncle Vic
aa#2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department
Today's warm fuzzy example of Christian Love:
"I told you many times that you should thank Christian Americans that they
gave you a free place to live in Texas and a welfare so you could buy food
to eat you fucking filthy Jew !!!! If America did not give you billions of
dollars every year your fucking Jewishstan could be a history like it was
for a thousand years. Shame on you, you fucking dirty, ugly and barbaric
Jew !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Go to hell you shitted Jew." -- Andy
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| User: "Yow" |
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| Title: Re: Religious fanatics beware - a new trend and a giant first stepfor mankind -- eliminating the bible at Universities |
24 Oct 2005 02:59:49 PM |
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Uncle Vic wrote:
Unfortunately, America is the most likely place to find bibles.
And we're falling behind in many other ways, too.
I suppose it's our culture's deep historical tendency
toward anti-intellectualism that's at its root,
either that or the rich ruling class is a bunch of
rightwing nutjobs.
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| User: "Gregory Gadow" |
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| Title: Re: Religious fanatics beware - a new trend and a giant first step formankind -- eliminating the bible at Universities |
24 Oct 2005 01:39:52 PM |
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Pastor Dave wrote:
On 24 Oct 2005 11:18:00 -0700, "cirejcon"
<cirejcon@yahoo.com> spake thusly:
The real God wrote:
Edinburgh University is set to ban Bibles from its
student halls of residence amid concern that the
Holy Book is discriminatory and makes students of
other faiths feel unwelcome.
The title and the first paragraph are very misleading.
No one is talking about "banning" or "eliminating"
bibles. They're talking about NOT putting bibles
in the rooms of students who may not want them there.
I'm sure nothing would make a Hindu student feel
more welcome at his new university than a
pre-installed Bible in his drawer.
There are colleges in India.
Meaning that the only place where Hindus should be allowed to attend
university is India?
--
Gregory Gadow
techbear@serv.net
http://www.serv.net/~techbear
"[W]e have never held that moral disapproval, without any other asserted
state interest, is a sufficient rationale under the Equal Protection
Clause to justify a law that discriminates among groups of persons."
- Sandra Day O`Conner, _Lawrence v Texas_
http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/scripts/getcase.pl?court=us&vol=000&invol=02-102
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| User: "Witziges Rätsel" |
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| Title: Re: Religious fanatics beware - a new trend and a giant first step for mankind -- eliminating the bible at Universities |
24 Oct 2005 06:15:31 PM |
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I'm sure nothing would make a Hindu student feel
more welcome at his new university than a
pre-installed Bible in his drawer.
There are colleges in India.
Meaning that the only place where Hindus should be allowed to attend
university is India?
Meaning there would be no Hindus in Pastordaveland.
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| User: "Uncle Vic" |
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| Title: Re: Religious fanatics beware - a new trend and a giant first step for mankind -- eliminating the bible at Universities |
24 Oct 2005 02:06:37 PM |
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on 24 Oct 2005 in alt.atheism, dear sweet Pastor Dave (1news-group-
mail1@nospam-tampa-bay.rr.com) made the light shine upon us with this:
On 24 Oct 2005 11:18:00 -0700, "cirejcon"
<cirejcon@yahoo.com> spake thusly:
I'm sure nothing would make a Hindu student feel
more welcome at his new university than a
pre-installed Bible in his drawer.
There are colleges in India.
And I'm sure there are bigots like you there too.
--
Uncle Vic
aa#2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department
Today's warm fuzzy example of Christian Love:
"I told you many times that you should thank Christian Americans that they
gave you a free place to live in Texas and a welfare so you could buy food
to eat you fucking filthy Jew !!!! If America did not give you billions of
dollars every year your fucking Jewishstan could be a history like it was
for a thousand years. Shame on you, you fucking dirty, ugly and barbaric
Jew !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Go to hell you shitted Jew." -- Andy
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| User: "The Voice of Reason" |
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| Title: Re: Re: Religious fanatics beware - a new trend and a giant first step for mankind -- eliminating the bible at Universities |
24 Oct 2005 03:41:44 PM |
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On 24 Oct 2005 11:18:00 -0700, "cirejcon"
<cirejcon@yahoo.com> wrote:
<>
<> The real God wrote:
<> > Edinburgh University is set to ban Bibles
from its
<> > student halls of residence amid concern that
the
<> > Holy Book is discriminatory and makes
students of
<> > other faiths feel unwelcome.
<> >
<>
<> The title and the first paragraph are very
misleading.
<> No one is talking about "banning" or
"eliminating"
<> bibles. They're talking about NOT putting
bibles
<> in the rooms of students who may not want them
there.
<>
<> I'm sure nothing would make a Hindu student
feel
<> more welcome at his new university than a
<> pre-installed Bible in his drawer.
<>
<> -jc
The more I read that first paragraph, the more I'm
certain that it says "Edinburgh University is set
to ban bibles from ..." How do you read
otherwise?
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Religious fanatics beware - a new trend and a giant first step for mankind -- eliminating the bible at Universities |
24 Oct 2005 01:36:06 PM |
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The real God wrote:
[snip]
This year Stirling University was forced to
abandon plans to remove 6,000 Bibles from its
student halls after a storm of protest from
offended Christians. As a compromise the
university instead invited all religious groups to
supply copies of their holy texts.
Of course the Xians were offended, the university was about to prevent
them from pushing their religion on others. How terrible.
As for their comprimise I would love to see what happens if Satanists
supplied copies of the Satanic Bible.
The Reverend John Munro, a former chaplain at
Stirling University, said at the time that
withdrawing any book from a place of study smacked
of intolerance. "I think there's an agenda here,
seemingly politically correct, but there's
actually a hostility towards faith by those who
have none.
Translation: Those mean atheists are persecuting us poor defenseless
Xians.
This is repeating the worst errors
which the Christian faith used to have" he said.
I don't see anyone advocating burning Xians at the stake.
An Edinburgh University spokesman said: "The
University of Edinburgh does its best to take the
wishes of the student body into account. Further
meetings will now determine if, when and how this
will be implemented.
"The student body is made up of diverse faith
backgrounds which are evenly supported by the
University Chaplaincy which pursues a policy of
supporting all faiths and none."
Gideons International distribute more than
63,000,000 copies of its Bible worldwide every
year and many appear in hotel rooms, hospitals and
prisons.
The Reverend John Lowry, of Niddrie Parish Church
in Edinburgh, said: "It is very disappointing from
our point of view. But I can understand why people
have chosen to do this."
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| User: "The Voice of Reason" |
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| Title: Re: Re: Religious fanatics beware - a new trend and a giant first step for mankind -- eliminating the bible at Universities |
24 Oct 2005 03:48:39 PM |
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On 24 Oct 2005 11:36:06 -0700,
wrote:
<>
<> The real God wrote:
<>
<> [snip]
<>
<> > This year Stirling University was forced to
<> > abandon plans to remove 6,000 Bibles from its
<> > student halls after a storm of protest from
<> > offended Christians. As a compromise the
<> > university instead invited all religious
groups to
<> > supply copies of their holy texts.
<>
<> Of course the Xians were offended, the
university was about to prevent
<> them from pushing their religion on others. How
terrible.
<>
<> As for their comprimise I would love to see
what happens if Satanists
<> supplied copies of the Satanic Bible.
<>
<> > The Reverend John Munro, a former chaplain at
<> > Stirling University, said at the time that
<> > withdrawing any book from a place of study
smacked
<> > of intolerance. "I think there's an agenda
here,
<> > seemingly politically correct, but there's
<> > actually a hostility towards faith by those
who
<> > have none.
<>
<> Translation: Those mean atheists are
persecuting us poor defenseless
<> Xians.
<>
<> > This is repeating the worst errors
<> > which the Christian faith used to have" he
said.
<>
<> I don't see anyone advocating burning Xians at
the stake.
Hmmmmm
<>
<> > An Edinburgh University spokesman said: "The
<> > University of Edinburgh does its best to take
the
<> > wishes of the student body into account.
Further
<> > meetings will now determine if, when and how
this
<> > will be implemented.
<> >
<> > "The student body is made up of diverse faith
<> > backgrounds which are evenly supported by the
<> > University Chaplaincy which pursues a policy
of
<> > supporting all faiths and none."
<> >
<> > Gideons International distribute more than
<> > 63,000,000 copies of its Bible worldwide
every
<> > year and many appear in hotel rooms,
hospitals and
<> > prisons.
<> >
<> > The Reverend John Lowry, of Niddrie Parish
Church
<> > in Edinburgh, said: "It is very disappointing
from
<> > our point of view. But I can understand why
people
<> > have chosen to do this."
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| User: "Uncle Vic" |
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| Title: Re: Religious fanatics beware - a new trend and a giant first step for mankind -- eliminating the bible at Universities |
24 Oct 2005 01:33:57 PM |
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on 24 Oct 2005 in alt.atheism, dear sweet The real God
(god@overyourface.net) made the light shine upon us with this:
A Gideon Bible is traditionally placed in every
new student's room at the start of the academic
year and there are currently around 2,000 Bibles
in the Pollock Halls campus on the edge of
Holyrood Park.
Gideon bibles can be useful in motel rooms. Although they don't make the
best toilet paper, they can come in handy when you run out. They're good
for writing down phone numbers when you can't reach the scratch pad on the
other table. And they make great vehicles for atheist stickers.
--
Uncle Vic
aa#2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department
Today's warm fuzzy example of Christian Love:
"I told you many times that you should thank Christian Americans that they
gave you a free place to live in Texas and a welfare so you could buy food
to eat you fucking filthy Jew !!!! If America did not give you billions of
dollars every year your fucking Jewishstan could be a history like it was
for a thousand years. Shame on you, you fucking dirty, ugly and barbaric
Jew !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Go to hell you shitted Jew." -- Andy
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| User: "Steve Knight" |
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| Title: Re: Religious fanatics beware - a new trend and a giant first step for mankind -- eliminating the bible at Universities |
24 Oct 2005 05:49:10 PM |
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On Mon, 24 Oct 2005 13:33:57 -0500, Uncle Vic <address@withheld.com>
wrote:
on 24 Oct 2005 in alt.atheism, dear sweet The real God
(god@overyourface.net) made the light shine upon us with this:
A Gideon Bible is traditionally placed in every
new student's room at the start of the academic
year and there are currently around 2,000 Bibles
in the Pollock Halls campus on the edge of
Holyrood Park.
Gideon bibles can be useful in motel rooms. Although they don't make the
best toilet paper, they can come in handy when you run out. They're good
for writing down phone numbers when you can't reach the scratch pad on the
other table. And they make great vehicles for atheist stickers.
They have many uses. I had a nasty accident on the toilet and was
amazed at how well bible paper soaks up urine.
There also get for doodling if you're bored. I like the ones with
pictures. Crossing their eyes, making beards and big ears... drawing
in genitals, loads of fun.
Warlord Steve
BAAWA
www.sonic.net/~wooly
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| User: "Eris" |
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| Title: Re: Religious fanatics beware - a new trend and a giant first step for mankind -- eliminating the bible at Universities |
24 Oct 2005 01:52:34 PM |
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On Mon, 24 Oct 2005 13:33:57 -0500, Uncle Vic <address@withheld.com>
wrote:
on 24 Oct 2005 in alt.atheism, dear sweet The real God
(god@overyourface.net) made the light shine upon us with this:
A Gideon Bible is traditionally placed in every
new student's room at the start of the academic
year and there are currently around 2,000 Bibles
in the Pollock Halls campus on the edge of
Holyrood Park.
Gideon bibles can be useful in motel rooms. Although they don't make the
best toilet paper, they can come in handy when you run out. They're good
for writing down phone numbers when you can't reach the scratch pad on the
other table. And they make great vehicles for atheist stickers.
Rev. Bob goes to a Preacher convention at a Holiday Inn.
He goes to dinner with the other preachers, takes the hat check girl
and screws her brains out.
The next morning he was asked by the other preachers, why he had sex
with the hat check girl.
Rev Bob said it is written in the bible.
They ask where?
Someone wrote inside the cover of the Gideon Bible " The Hat Check
Girl puts out"
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