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Topic:	Religions > Atheism
User:	"Rob Cypher"
Date:	14 Aug 2007 05:06:33 AM
Object:	RELIGIOUS FREAKS ATTACKING MY MIND AT REHAB - HELP!!!!!

I already told 'em I quit doing coke and dope months before I came
here (via the Intervention
show, who sent me to Florida for rehab) but was still dosing heavily
with DXM (robotussin/corcidin),
taking over 1300mg every 12 hours due to long-built tolerance. I'm off
that now too, and probably
won't get back on that because I now have my girlfriend to love.
BUT THESE FUCKING CHRISTIANS, MAN...they won't leave me alone.
I stopped going to groups because they're all based in AA/NA
literature, and I've already done
two previous rehabs totalling 12 months steeped in this *****, and
it did ZERO for me.
I keep telling me I don't believe in no god, and they keep telling me
it's a "god of my
understanding", and I tell them that I don't have no god, damn it!!!
Then they always conclude
with the "Lord's Prayer"! *****! I stopped going to groups a while ago
and am severely
depressed. I only got nine days left before I can leave properly
(i.e., get a plane ticket
back to pennsylvania). Meanwhile, there's about 40-50 slots here for
the type of rehab
I'm going through (aka "intake"), and 20-25 people have been kicked
out in the three
weeks I've been here for repeated drug use, and another 20-25 have
left AMA (probably
due to drug use, again).
The conselors are nice people, for the most part, but when I voice my
opinions they rattle
off AA/NA pro-christian nonsense like fucking robots. It's like all
they heard was "***** that"
and replied with some programmed nonsense designed to defend
themselves from new thoughts.
Thank goodness for my girlfriend, who is a pagan and is open to free
thought. Just recently
she sent me some "different" recovery litertature describing how AA/NA
is born from rich
white christian men with guilt complexes about being greedy bastards
(I already knew that)
and that AA/NA is based upon fear and loathing of self. the book goes
on to talk about a
"higher self" as opposed to a "higher power" and about loving
yourself. this makes much
more sense to me than anything else I've heard in this *****,
man.
They don't monitor my net.activity as long as I don't do anything
patently offensive like
look at pictures of porn or drugs.
BUT I NEED HELP. How do I ward off these brainwashers? Their programs
fail 2/3rds of
clients within 6 months, and probably close to 90% within two years.
If this was surgery
they would've had their license revoked a long time ago. Tell me how
to repel the xtians.
thanks
robcypher.livejournal.com
.

User: "Spencer 忽帕"
Title: Re: RELIGIOUS FREAKS ATTACKING MY MIND AT REHAB - HELP!!!!!	14 Aug 2007 07:09:22 AM

"Rob Cypher" <robcypherenator@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1187085993.344780.11720@57g2000hsv.googlegroups.com...

I already told 'em I quit doing coke and dope months before I came
here (via the Intervention
show, who sent me to Florida for rehab) but was still dosing heavily
with DXM (robotussin/corcidin),
taking over 1300mg every 12 hours due to long-built tolerance. I'm
off
that now too, and probably
won't get back on that because I now have my girlfriend to love.

BUT THESE FUCKING CHRISTIANS, MAN...they won't leave me alone.

I stopped going to groups because they're all based in AA/NA
literature, and I've already done
two previous rehabs totalling 12 months steeped in this *****,
and
it did ZERO for me.
I keep telling me I don't believe in no god, and they keep telling
me
it's a "god of my
understanding", and I tell them that I don't have no god, damn it!!!
Then they always conclude
with the "Lord's Prayer"! *****! I stopped going to groups a while
ago
and am severely
depressed. I only got nine days left before I can leave properly
(i.e., get a plane ticket
back to pennsylvania). Meanwhile, there's about 40-50 slots here for
the type of rehab
I'm going through (aka "intake"), and 20-25 people have been kicked
out in the three
weeks I've been here for repeated drug use, and another 20-25 have
left AMA (probably
due to drug use, again).

The conselors are nice people, for the most part, but when I voice
my
opinions they rattle
off AA/NA pro-christian nonsense like fucking robots. It's like all
they heard was "***** that"
and replied with some programmed nonsense designed to defend
themselves from new thoughts.

Thank goodness for my girlfriend, who is a pagan and is open to free
thought. Just recently
she sent me some "different" recovery litertature describing how
AA/NA
is born from rich
white christian men with guilt complexes about being greedy bastards
(I already knew that)
and that AA/NA is based upon fear and loathing of self. the book
goes
on to talk about a
"higher self" as opposed to a "higher power" and about loving
yourself. this makes much
more sense to me than anything else I've heard in this *****,
man.

They don't monitor my net.activity as long as I don't do anything
patently offensive like
look at pictures of porn or drugs.

BUT I NEED HELP. How do I ward off these brainwashers? Their
programs
fail 2/3rds of
clients within 6 months, and probably close to 90% within two years.
If this was surgery
they would've had their license revoked a long time ago. Tell me how
to repel the xtians.

Think of God as a higher power -- your own unconcious mind.
Use the Serenety Prayer.
"Dona Dius serenitas...."
God grant me the serenity
to acceept the things I cannot change,
the powerer to change those I can,
and the wisdom to know the difference.
You don't have to believe for it to work.
Or become a Satanist...
Bless嶮 Beast!
Spencer
.

User: "Michael Gray"
Title: Re: RELIGIOUS FREAKS ATTACKING MY MIND AT REHAB - HELP!!!!!	15 Aug 2007 12:04:30 AM

On Tue, 14 Aug 2007 13:09:22 +0100, "Spencer 忽帕" <qsx1@supahat.com>
wrote:
:

Think of God as a higher power -- your own unconcious mind.
Use the Serenety Prayer.
"Dona Dius serenitas...."

God grant me the serenity
to acceept the things I cannot change,
the powerer to change those I can,
and the wisdom to know the difference.

You don't have to believe for it to work.
Or become a Satanist...

Bless嶮 Beast!

Spencer

You need therapy if you are so infantile and deluded that you
actiually believe that transparent tripe.
.

User: "Sean Carroll"
Title: Re: RELIGIOUS FREAKS ATTACKING MY MIND AT REHAB - HELP!!!!!	14 Aug 2007 12:48:06 PM

Spencer 忽帕 wrote:

God grant me the serenity
to acceept the things I cannot change,
the powerer to change those I can,
and the wisdom to know the difference.

I've said it before and I'll say it again ...
God grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change, the
courage to change the things I can, and a million dollars in one lump sum.
--
--Sean
http://spclsd223.livejournal.com/
[House walks in with a new cane]
Cameron: Flames?
House: Makes it look like I'm going fast.
.

User: "ML"
Title: Re: RELIGIOUS FREAKS ATTACKING MY MIND AT REHAB - HELP!!!!!	14 Aug 2007 05:02:09 PM

On Aug 14, 12:48 pm, Sean Carroll <seanc...@hotmail.com> wrote:

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Say it again!
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
.

User: "Sean Carroll"
Title: Re: RELIGIOUS FREAKS ATTACKING MY MIND AT REHAB - HELP!!!!!	15 Aug 2007 11:40:41 AM

ML wrote:

Sean Carroll <seanc...@hotmail.com> wrote:

I've said it before and I'll say it again ...

God grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change, the
courage to change the things I can, and a million dollars in one lump sum.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Say it again!
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

War, huh! What is it good for? Absolutely nothin'!
--
--Sean
http://spclsd223.livejournal.com/
Cameron: Men should grow up.
House: And dogs should stop licking themselves. It's not gonna happen.
.

User: "Spencer 忽帕"
Title: Re: RELIGIOUS FREAKS ATTACKING MY MIND AT REHAB - HELP!!!!!	15 Aug 2007 02:43:31 PM

"Sean Carroll" <seanc130@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:UZFwi.187972$5y.

ML wrote:

Sean Carroll <seanc...@hotmail.com> wrote:

I've said it before and I'll say it again ...

God grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change, the
courage to change the things I can, and a million dollars in one
lump sum.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Say it again!

God grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change, the
courage to change the things I can, and a million dollars in one lump
sum.

War, huh! What is it good for? Absolutely nothin'!

Stop the War on EVERYTHING !!!
.

User: "Amos Nomore"
Title: Re: RELIGIOUS FREAKS ATTACKING MY MIND AT REHAB - HELP!!!!!	14 Aug 2007 07:14:49 PM

In article <1187085993.344780.11720@57g2000hsv.googlegroups.com>,
Rob Cypher <robcypherenator@gmail.com> wrote:

I know how you feel. This series of videos might help you to organize
and clarify your thoughts and give you some direction
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2250104590805018608
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3162184064060187674
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=502247489673453933
I would encourage you to seek God on your own terms. You may find
something that you like. Maybe not. If it doesn't seem right, it
probably isn't.
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User: "Saint Isadore Patron Saint of the Internet"
Title: Re: RELIGIOUS FREAKS ATTACKING MY MIND AT REHAB - HELP!!!!!	16 Aug 2007 03:47:45 PM

On Aug 14, 3:06 am, Rob Cypher <robcypherena...@gmail.com> wrote:

I already told 'em I quit doing coke and dope months before I came
here (via the Intervention
show, who sent me to Florida for rehab) but was still dosing heavily
with DXM (robotussin/corcidin),
taking over 1300mg every 12 hours due to long-built tolerance. I'm off
that now too, and probably
won't get back on that because I now have my girlfriend to love.

BUT THESE FUCKING CHRISTIANS, MAN...they won't leave me alone.

I stopped going to groups because they're all based in AA/NA
literature, and I've already done
two previous rehabs totalling 12 months steeped in this *****, and
it did ZERO for me.
I keep telling me I don't believe in no god, and they keep telling me
it's a "god of my
understanding", and I tell them that I don't have no god, damn it!!!
Then they always conclude
with the "Lord's Prayer"! *****! I stopped going to groups a while ago
and am severely
depressed. I only got nine days left before I can leave properly
(i.e., get a plane ticket
back to pennsylvania). Meanwhile, there's about 40-50 slots here for
the type of rehab
I'm going through (aka "intake"), and 20-25 people have been kicked
out in the three
weeks I've been here for repeated drug use, and another 20-25 have
left AMA (probably
due to drug use, again).

The conselors are nice people, for the most part, but when I voice my
opinions they rattle
off AA/NA pro-christian nonsense like fucking robots. It's like all
they heard was "***** that"
and replied with some programmed nonsense designed to defend
themselves from new thoughts.

Thank goodness for my girlfriend, who is a pagan and is open to free
thought. Just recently
she sent me some "different" recovery litertature describing how AA/NA
is born from rich
white christian men with guilt complexes about being greedy bastards
(I already knew that)
and that AA/NA is based upon fear and loathing of self. the book goes
on to talk about a
"higher self" as opposed to a "higher power" and about loving
yourself. this makes much
more sense to me than anything else I've heard in this *****,
man.

They don't monitor my net.activity as long as I don't do anything
patently offensive like
look at pictures of porn or drugs.

BUT I NEED HELP. How do I ward off these brainwashers? Their programs
fail 2/3rds of
clients within 6 months, and probably close to 90% within two years.
If this was surgery
they would've had their license revoked a long time ago. Tell me how
to repel the xtians.

thanks

robcypher.livejournal.com

On Aug 15, 1:50 pm, Steady Eddy <nonsmoki...@comcast.net> wrote:

On Aug 14, 1:17 pm, JHD <n...@jhd.invalid> wrote:

DoctorRon <sherryram...@comcast.net> wrote innews:op.tw2fkvfuhx8q4d@silalc:

THESE PEOPLE ARE DANGEROUS HYPOCRITES.

Oh shut the ***** up. Cypher's never done anything more toxic than
nutrasweet, and you're all being trolled by a loser. I have to give him
credit though - he sure sucked some of you "AA IS TEH EVUL CUZ TEHY SEZ
GHOD" kooks into flapping your gums and making fools of themselves.
--
John Henry, a militant fundamentalist agnostic who finds no problem at all
with AA's approach to divinity.

If I was given a chance to stay sober, and all I had to do was go to
a meetings on a regular basis, make friends with new poeple who have a
common goal (staying sober) and consider a few ideas on divinity I
would jump at the chance. I look at it like a Combination Pizza, if I
don't like the green peppers I just pull them off at eat the damn
pizza. If I don't like the AA God thing I would try to work around it.
Instead morons like Cypher don't know a good thing when they have. Oh
and BTW Cypher Marijuana and Alcohol are drugs and if you are using
either then you are not sober. Alcohol and Marijuana are gateway drugs
back to herion or whatever else you were addicted to. YOU ARE ADDICTED
TO GETTING HIGH SO ANYTHING THAT GETS YOU HIGH LIIKE ALCOHOL OR POT
MUST BE AVOIDED.

So your Psychedelic Pope replied prior to my account expiring again
and suggesting I try again later as I haved here:
High clonazepam colonic enemas should solve the problem - you surely
know just how HIGH in respect I hold you. We are both pathetic realist
and yhe world begins to crumble beneath our heals. We both know
several
people killed JFK, George 'The Clown' Bush stoled both terms and the
world economy is falling apart at the seams - as King Dubyas cabinet
is
jumping out of the circle faster than he can count on his toes. The
old
Iliminati has burnt out, hurricanes, giant earthquake in Puru with
Tsunami
warnings all up and down the coasts from Hawaii to the entire west
coast
of Central America, class 4 hurricanes closing in on both Cancun and
Hawaii,
Elvis 'The King' Presley is alive and living in Chicago amd Bill
Clinton
will be in he White House in 09 as our VERY FIRST MAN, China is trying
to
kill our children with lead toxins and Britney Spears is having a sex
change
as is Michael Jackson and plan to marry each other when the sex
changes are
finished, mudslides wiping out entire villages in Columbia and real
estate
values and the stock markets and our major companies are falling to
their
knees in value, J. Edgar Hoover was a homosexual tansvestite and the
last
two queens of England had rubber ducks with jewel crowns in their
bathtub,
O.J. had no part in the murders of anybody - ever. Still it's all good
and
there is no need to worry - cause every little thing is gonna be
alright,
even if the current catholic pope was a Nazi so here you go!
-Tom
.

User: "Saint Isadore Patron Saint of the Internet"
Title: Re: RELIGIOUS FREAKS ATTACKING MY MIND AT REHAB - HELP!!!!!	15 Aug 2007 11:24:50 AM

On Aug 14, 3:06 am, Rob Cypher <robcypherena...@gmail.com> wrote:

I already told 'em I quit doing coke and dope months before I came
here (via the Intervention
show, who sent me to Florida for rehab) but was still dosing heavily
with DXM (robotussin/corcidin),
taking over 1300mg every 12 hours due to long-built tolerance. I'm off
that now too, and probably
won't get back on that because I now have my girlfriend to love.

BUT THESE FUCKING CHRISTIANS, MAN...they won't leave me alone.

I stopped going to groups because they're all based in AA/NA
literature, and I've already done
two previous rehabs totalling 12 months steeped in this *****, and
it did ZERO for me.
I keep telling me I don't believe in no god, and they keep telling me
it's a "god of my
understanding", and I tell them that I don't have no god, damn it!!!
Then they always conclude
with the "Lord's Prayer"! *****! I stopped going to groups a while ago
and am severely
depressed. I only got nine days left before I can leave properly
(i.e., get a plane ticket
back to pennsylvania). Meanwhile, there's about 40-50 slots here for
the type of rehab
I'm going through (aka "intake"), and 20-25 people have been kicked
out in the three
weeks I've been here for repeated drug use, and another 20-25 have
left AMA (probably
due to drug use, again).

The conselors are nice people, for the most part, but when I voice my
opinions they rattle
off AA/NA pro-christian nonsense like fucking robots. It's like all
they heard was "***** that"
and replied with some programmed nonsense designed to defend
themselves from new thoughts.

Thank goodness for my girlfriend, who is a pagan and is open to free
thought. Just recently
she sent me some "different" recovery litertature describing how AA/NA
is born from rich
white christian men with guilt complexes about being greedy bastards
(I already knew that)
and that AA/NA is based upon fear and loathing of self. the book goes
on to talk about a
"higher self" as opposed to a "higher power" and about loving
yourself. this makes much
more sense to me than anything else I've heard in this *****,
man.

They don't monitor my net.activity as long as I don't do anything
patently offensive like
look at pictures of porn or drugs.

BUT I NEED HELP. How do I ward off these brainwashers? Their programs
fail 2/3rds of
clients within 6 months, and probably close to 90% within two years.
If this was surgery
they would've had their license revoked a long time ago. Tell me how
to repel the xtians.

thanks

robcypher.livejournal.com

Tell them this every time the start bugging you.
'ENESSA QUA ONNICA' - they will stop trying to brainwash you.
Rehab is LAST resort and from many past friends I've known rehab
just does not work. The key to overcoming anything you feel the need
for rehab for - is - freewill and self respect and self realization
--- that whatever drove you to seek rehab is bad for you to do and you
just need to stop it and make yourself aware of that every day and
whenever your bad temptation consumes your thoughts.
Now, you may ask - what does ENESSA QUA ONNICA actually mean? Well,
it's the old Adgartha term for 'peace is goodness'.
PLU!
Tom
.

User: "Mike L."
Title: Re: RELIGIOUS FREAKS ATTACKING MY MIND AT REHAB - HELP!!!!!	14 Aug 2007 11:26:21 PM

On Aug 14, 6:06 am, Rob Cypher <robcypherena...@gmail.com> wrote:

I already told 'em I quit doing coke and dope months before I came
here (via the Intervention
show, who sent me to Florida for rehab) but was still dosing heavily
with DXM (robotussin/corcidin),
taking over 1300mg every 12 hours due to long-built tolerance. I'm off
that now too, and probably
won't get back on that because I now have my girlfriend to love.

BUT THESE FUCKING CHRISTIANS, MAN...they won't leave me alone.

I stopped going to groups because they're all based in AA/NA
literature, and I've already done
two previous rehabs totalling 12 months steeped in this *****, and
it did ZERO for me.
I keep telling me I don't believe in no god, and they keep telling me
it's a "god of my
understanding", and I tell them that I don't have no god, damn it!!!
Then they always conclude
with the "Lord's Prayer"! *****! I stopped going to groups a while ago
and am severely
depressed. I only got nine days left before I can leave properly
(i.e., get a plane ticket
back to pennsylvania). Meanwhile, there's about 40-50 slots here for
the type of rehab
I'm going through (aka "intake"), and 20-25 people have been kicked
out in the three
weeks I've been here for repeated drug use, and another 20-25 have
left AMA (probably
due to drug use, again).

The conselors are nice people, for the most part, but when I voice my
opinions they rattle
off AA/NA pro-christian nonsense like fucking robots. It's like all
they heard was "***** that"
and replied with some programmed nonsense designed to defend
themselves from new thoughts.

Thank goodness for my girlfriend, who is a pagan and is open to free
thought. Just recently
she sent me some "different" recovery litertature describing how AA/NA
is born from rich
white christian men with guilt complexes about being greedy bastards
(I already knew that)
and that AA/NA is based upon fear and loathing of self. the book goes
on to talk about a
"higher self" as opposed to a "higher power" and about loving
yourself. this makes much
more sense to me than anything else I've heard in this *****,
man.

They don't monitor my net.activity as long as I don't do anything
patently offensive like
look at pictures of porn or drugs.

BUT I NEED HELP. How do I ward off these brainwashers? Their programs
fail 2/3rds of
clients within 6 months, and probably close to 90% within two years.
If this was surgery
they would've had their license revoked a long time ago. Tell me how
to repel the xtians.

thanks

robcypher.livejournal.com

My recommendation is you cooperate with them
til you get out knowing they will not get you really
no matter what.
Some fights aren't worth having and recovery
is your main goal not Christians at least today.
So mouth the words if you have to and
don't mean them
You wouldn't be the first or last hypocrite.
.

User: "Michael Gray"
Title: Re: RELIGIOUS FREAKS ATTACKING MY MIND AT REHAB - HELP!!!!!	15 Aug 2007 01:10:00 AM

On Tue, 14 Aug 2007 21:26:21 -0700, "Mike L." <violinmike@hotmail.com>
wrote:

On Aug 14, 6:06 am, Rob Cypher <robcypherena...@gmail.com> wrote:

I already told 'em I quit doing coke and dope months before I came
here (via the Intervention
show, who sent me to Florida for rehab) but was still dosing heavily
with DXM (robotussin/corcidin),
taking over 1300mg every 12 hours due to long-built tolerance. I'm off
that now too, and probably
won't get back on that because I now have my girlfriend to love.

BUT THESE FUCKING CHRISTIANS, MAN...they won't leave me alone.

I stopped going to groups because they're all based in AA/NA
literature, and I've already done
two previous rehabs totalling 12 months steeped in this *****, and
it did ZERO for me.
I keep telling me I don't believe in no god, and they keep telling me
it's a "god of my
understanding", and I tell them that I don't have no god, damn it!!!
Then they always conclude
with the "Lord's Prayer"! *****! I stopped going to groups a while ago
and am severely
depressed. I only got nine days left before I can leave properly
(i.e., get a plane ticket
back to pennsylvania). Meanwhile, there's about 40-50 slots here for
the type of rehab
I'm going through (aka "intake"), and 20-25 people have been kicked
out in the three
weeks I've been here for repeated drug use, and another 20-25 have
left AMA (probably
due to drug use, again).

The conselors are nice people, for the most part, but when I voice my
opinions they rattle
off AA/NA pro-christian nonsense like fucking robots. It's like all
they heard was "***** that"
and replied with some programmed nonsense designed to defend
themselves from new thoughts.

Thank goodness for my girlfriend, who is a pagan and is open to free
thought. Just recently
she sent me some "different" recovery litertature describing how AA/NA
is born from rich
white christian men with guilt complexes about being greedy bastards
(I already knew that)
and that AA/NA is based upon fear and loathing of self. the book goes
on to talk about a
"higher self" as opposed to a "higher power" and about loving
yourself. this makes much
more sense to me than anything else I've heard in this *****,
man.

They don't monitor my net.activity as long as I don't do anything
patently offensive like
look at pictures of porn or drugs.

BUT I NEED HELP. How do I ward off these brainwashers? Their programs
fail 2/3rds of
clients within 6 months, and probably close to 90% within two years.
If this was surgery
they would've had their license revoked a long time ago. Tell me how
to repel the xtians.

thanks

robcypher.livejournal.com

Xtians are all hypocrites, to a man, or to a woman.
.

User: "Spencer 忽帕"
Title: Re: RELIGIOUS FREAKS ATTACKING MY MIND AT REHAB - HELP!!!!!	15 Aug 2007 09:16:02 AM

"Michael Gray" <mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote in message news:

On Tue, 14 Aug 2007 21:26:21 -0700, "Mike L."
<violinmike@hotmail.com>

On Aug 14, 6:06 am, Rob Cypher <robcypherena...@gmail.com> wrote:

Xtians are all hypocrites, to a man, or to a woman.

Yes. but as I said you don't have to be Xtian for the prog to work.
My best friend was a terminal alky but stopped with AA.
He doesn't believe in anything now and may have relapsed by now.
We have lost contact but he didn't drink for many years.
Nothing else worked. It saved his life.
--
Spencer
We are never deceived; we deceive ourselves.
Johann von Goethe
.

User: "V"
Title: Re: RELIGIOUS FREAKS ATTACKING MY MIND AT REHAB - HELP!!!!!	14 Aug 2007 07:18:52 AM

On Aug 14, 6:06?am, Rob Cypher <robcypherena...@gmail.com> wrote:

I already told 'em I quit doing coke and dope months before I came
here (via the Intervention
show, who sent me to Florida for rehab) but was still dosing heavily
with DXM (robotussin/corcidin),
taking over 1300mg every 12 hours due to long-built tolerance. I'm off
that now too, and probably
won't get back on that because I now have my girlfriend to love.

BUT THESE FUCKING CHRISTIANS, MAN...they won't leave me alone.

I stopped going to groups because they're all based in AA/NA
literature, and I've already done
two previous rehabs totalling 12 months steeped in this *****, and
it did ZERO for me.
I keep telling me I don't believe in no god, and they keep telling me
it's a "god of my
understanding", and I tell them that I don't have no god, damn it!!!
Then they always conclude
with the "Lord's Prayer"! *****! I stopped going to groups a while ago
and am severely
depressed. I only got nine days left before I can leave properly
(i.e., get a plane ticket
back to pennsylvania). Meanwhile, there's about 40-50 slots here for
the type of rehab
I'm going through (aka "intake"), and 20-25 people have been kicked
out in the three
weeks I've been here for repeated drug use, and another 20-25 have
left AMA (probably
due to drug use, again).

The conselors are nice people, for the most part, but when I voice my
opinions they rattle
off AA/NA pro-christian nonsense like fucking robots. It's like all
they heard was "***** that"
and replied with some programmed nonsense designed to defend
themselves from new thoughts.

Thank goodness for my girlfriend, who is a pagan and is open to free
thought. Just recently
she sent me some "different" recovery litertature describing how AA/NA
is born from rich
white christian men with guilt complexes about being greedy bastards
(I already knew that)
and that AA/NA is based upon fear and loathing of self. the book goes
on to talk about a
"higher self" as opposed to a "higher power" and about loving
yourself. this makes much
more sense to me than anything else I've heard in this *****,
man.

They don't monitor my net.activity as long as I don't do anything
patently offensive like
look at pictures of porn or drugs.

BUT I NEED HELP. How do I ward off these brainwashers? Their programs
fail 2/3rds of
clients within 6 months, and probably close to 90% within two years.
If this was surgery
they would've had their license revoked a long time ago. Tell me how
to repel the xtians.

thanks

robcypher.livejournal.com

God and religion was part of the foundation that the 12 step programs
latched on to in the beginning.
While 12 step programs are God and spirituality based, freedom is
(usually) given to those that wish to serve a 'higher power' instead
of God.
(Although I was thrown out of an online group for Sexaholics Anonymous
when I challenged the historicity of Jesus. Sexaholics Anonymous was
founded by an ex priest. So it is very much founded with Christianity
as part of its message.)
I have been associated with 12 step programs since 1974. My higher
powers are the God of Peace and the God of Nature. (although prior to
this I was a Catholic for 50 years prior to becoming a freethinking
agnostic and my HP used to be the monotheist God.)
RE: 'God of Peace and the God of Nature' see:
http://jesusneverexisted.org/jne/forum/index.php?topic=342.0
If we go back to the early years of AA we see that Dr. Bob and Bill
formed AA in the summer of 1935. Some of the early foundations of AA
that summer came out of a weekly Oxford group that they attended.
The Oxford group started around 1908 and was a Christian fellowship
that was founded on the 4 absolutes: honesty, purity, unselfishness
and love and the 4 principles: self-survey, confession, restitution
and service to others.
It is said that the practice of inventory work or "self-survey" as
the Oxford group called it, was handed down to Bill from Frank
Buchman, the founder of the Oxford group and an Oxford old timer, Rev.
Sam Shoemaker.
Other recovery concepts used in founding AA were taken from the
Washington Temperance Society of Baltimore which dated back to the
1840's. Yes, AA in its earliest beginnings "borrowed" recovery
practices, stories and principles from other groups.
It was not as some say that it all came out of 2 drunks locked up in a
room helping each other. Sure, a lot did come about that way, but a
lot did not, so let be clear about this and us not forget how it all
stared and how we help each other out.
We should never forget we are all on the same path of living a better
life through recovery and self improvement and to do this requires us
gaining new knowledge to live a new life.
The founding fathers of AA took concepts from many sources as well as
self improvement books of their time such as: As a Man Thinketh, The
Greatest Thing in the World, The Upper Room (Methodist Quarterly) The
Practice of the Presence of God, The Imitation of Christ, Confessions
of St. Augustine, In His Step, John Barleycorn, The Bible, and many
more.
This tradition continues to this day with countless numbers of 12 step
anonymous groups and chapters around the world all being born from one
small AA group. All borrowing recovery concepts and principles from
one another. By the end of 1939 there were about 100 members in AA and
the big book was written a year later. Quite a difference from then to
the millions in recovery worldwide now.
A small list of the offspring of AA that came about through sharing
recovery principles and recovery stories.
ADD / ADHD Anonymous
Adult Children of Alcoholics
Alcoholics Anonymous
Al-Anon & Ala-Teen
Arts Anonymous
BODA
Cancer Anonymous
Clutterers Anonymous
Co-Anon
Cocaine Anonymous
Co-Dependents of Sex Addicts
CODA
Compulsive Eaters Anonymous / H.O.W.
Computer Addicts anonymous
Couples Anonymous
Crystal Meth Anonymous
Debtors Anonymous
Divorce Anonymous
Dual Recovery Anonymous
Emotions Anonymous
Emotional Health Anonymous
Families Anonymous
Fear Of Success Anonymous
Food Addict Anonymous
Gam-Anon
Gamblers Anonymous
Herpes Anonymous
He-She Anonymous
HIV Anonymous
Incest Survivors Anonymous
Jews in Recovery
Lesbians Anonymous
Marijuana Anonymous
Manic Depressive Anonymous
Messies Anonymous
Money Anonymous
Nar-Anon Family Groups
Narcotics Anonymous NA
Nicotine Anonymous meetings
Nine Step Pagans (I won't discriminate even if they only use 9 steps.)
Overachievers Anonymous
Overeaters Anonymous
Obsessive Compulsive Anonymous
Parents Anonymous
Pills Anonymous
Procrastinators Anonymous
Rageaholics Anonymous
Recoveries Anonymous
Trauma Anonymous
S-Anon
Sex Addicts Anonymous
Sex & Love Addicts Anonymous
Sexaholics Anonymous
Sexual Compulsives Anonymous
Spenders Anonymous
Survivors of Incest Anonymous
Vulgarity Anonymous
Vulganon
Workaholics Anonymous
Yes, there is some prejudice, but we must remember 12 steps is run by
imperfect people, just as everything else in our world is run.
Here are the 7 benefits we derive from our addictions. See what
applies to you. (This list is abbreviated, if you want the
unabbreviated list write me direct.)
1) Pain Reliever
Addictions help distract us from our pain.
2 Pressure Relief
We use addictions to help blow off stream from stressed and unbalanced
life we live though overextending ourselves to the point of breaking
by living a lifestyle of "jugglers syndrome" and by having too many
irons in the fire.
3) Time Filler
The devil finds work for idle hands - Thoreau. Many time I have heard
an addict say they went to their addiction out of boredom cause they
had nothing else to do to pass time.
4) Escape Vehicle
Addictions make great escape vehicles to distract us from our problems
- most of what we have created for ourselves by living unbalanced
lives.
I try and catch myself when I practice this escapism and work to bring
my thoughts back to the present. Whenever the fantasy starts I check
to see what I am escaping from? Why do I fixate on something else
instead of where I'm at?
5) Pleasure Vehicle
As sensation addicts we like the sensation we get when we participate
in our addiction. It feels good to receive the brain chemicals or high
I get when I participate in my drug of choice. In short, if it feels
good I over do it and keep doing it until it turns into pain - then
and only then I know I need to stop.
6) Mystical or Religious Experience
Yes, our addiction is our religion. All our addictions have pleasure
aspects within them and we get rewards for participating in them in
the form of euphoric experiences. Euphoric experience can be related
to the spiritual as well. The definition of a religious mystic is one
that partakes in an altered state of conciseness with God / god or the
spiritual realm. Our addictions also give us this altered state of
consciousness and feeling of euphoria. So, we can say that our drugs
are our gods and our addiction is our religion. There is a reason to
our madness - it is not just pure madness as most addicts think.
7) Death Sentence
Finally, if all else fails - addictions are great killers and
destroyers of life. We hate the life we have created for ourselves and
see no other way out.
Atheists seem to be grounded in revulsion of any authority higher than
their ego.
Whenever humans start to think they rule nature, whether it be NATURE
of the UNIVERSE or 'their own nature'...then they become delusional,
self deified gods and end up hell bent on the path to destruction.
See:
http://jesusneverexisted.org/jne/forum/index.php?topic=630.0
Yes, we can bend the rules with peace as well as bend the rules of
nature, but we must be willing to pay the price for breaking these
rules. If we destroy our peace too much with our actions, it causes us
and those we come into contact with to self-destruct in the process.
See:
http://jesusneverexisted.org/jne/forum/index.php?topic=628.0
In short we are free to do what we want for the most part - but are
not free to want what we want.
I came to realize the importance of the God of Nature and the God of
inner Peace through my 12 step addiction recovery background. Within
the 12 step programs we turn our will and our life over to a higher
power...we had to give up being our own higher power as the god wasn't
cutting it.
For some recovering addicts the higher power is the pen they write
inventory with to channel away the wreckage of the past. For others it
may be a chair or the 12 step group itself.
For me, I surveyed real and useful higher powers and came up with the
God of Nature and the God of inner Peace.
Don't confuse God of Nature and the God of inner Peace with Yahweh.
I don't believe in Yahweh, I am not a theist, despite the
'contradiction' as Neil claims.
How can that be?
Because there is no argument that these two high powers exist, so
there is no reason to muster faith and develop a 'need to believe' in
them.
Would someone that mentions the sun be called a sunist? Would they
have to work hard to have faith the sun exists?
No, there is no argument the sun exists, except in the sick,
delusional mind of a mentally ill person that would deny it.
So it goes for the atheists that denies the God of Nature and the God
of Inner peace. And no Neil, I am not poisoning the well, I am just
commenting that the well (mind of the atheist) has already been
poisoned by its owner.
Why do the Gods I mention get the big 'G' and not the small 'g'?
Traditionally God has had powers to create and to destroy and to do
its work in mystery...so it goes with the God of Nature and the God of
Inner Peace.
Now, I cannot tell you much about these two higher powers other than
they most definitely exist.
Why not worship nature and forget the other God?
See:
http://jesusneverexisted.org/jne/forum/index.php?topic=504.0
You see, it is through our search to define these two Gods that we are
able to listen to a modicum of their wisdom along the way as we
conduct our search.
And in doing so we learn that we are not the gods and something much
larger than ourselves and our ego is in control.
Now atheists will vehemently deny they serve any Gods and that is
fine. I make no demands on you to adopt these two Gods nor to believe
they are real.
I always allow for others views.
Remember, you don't have to answer to me, you have to answer to these
two Gods.
But, no matter how defiant the atheist is...we ALL bow to nature in
the end. And when you take your last breath on this earth, you will
remember my words. And the defining characteristic as to whether you
lived life as heaven on earth or hell on earth will be determined by
how well you listen to these two Gods.
In the Gnostic gospel of Thomas, it was reported:
"The disciples asked Jesus, when will the kingdom come? Jesus replied,
'The kingdom will not come by watching for it. It will not be said -
look here or look there. Rather, the kingdom of heaven is spread out
upon the earth and men do not see it."
What does this quote mean for the atheist as well as the religious
minded person?
For the atheist or as a nonbeliever of an afterlife:
THIS LIFE IS IT - This life is either heaven or hell as you make it.
Just grabbing all the gusto you can will not give you peace.
It requires much more than that - for greed is never satisfied by
attainment, it is only satisfied by contentment. We are reminded to be
mindful of each moment given to us and to be grateful for this life.
Being of service to others and charitable actions help lead us to
contentment and peace.
There are 3 components for a happy life: Contentment, love or
compassion and gratitude. When we realize that happiness and
contentment are there for the taking and that they are independent
from our circumstances it sometimes can sink in that there is nothing
stopping us from being content and happy this very instant.
It is your choice alone as to whether you make this life one of peace
for yourself and others or not, but in either case you will reap what
you sow. "Just as a life of virtue yields its own reward, a life of
vice yields its own punishment" - Plutarch
For the religious minded person and believer in an afterlife:
Jesus' saying will foreshadow things to come. For if we make this
earthly life hell for ourselves and others, we have a slim chance of
doing better in an afterlife. Just paying lip service to religious
principles and doing the opposite will not do it.
Again mindfulness of our actions is most important. An old Buddhist
saying sheds some light on our journey "when one eye is kept on the
destination, it only leaves one eye left for the journey." If we keep
fixated on the after life, and can't find peace in the present life,
we can lose sight of the fact that our actions can turn the present
moment in a living hell for us as well as others.
Actions speak louder than words and this especially applies to such
religious beliefs. By applying the rule of reciprocity and Christian
ethics and charity we have better chance at entering any afterlife and
in the interim help make this life a peaceful one for all that dwell
on earth.
So, whether you are on either end of this spectrum of beliefs, the
choices are the same as to the direction we take when it comes to
inner peace.
The seeds of enlightenment are all around us - we only have to seek
the truth and come to peace within to realize this.
See:
http://jesusneverexisted.org/jne/forum/index.php?topic=4.0
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.atheism/browse_frm/thread/125b41aa8fd2b87b/cf400bdf88ba1701?lnk=gst&q=conundrum&rnum=7&hl=en#cf400bdf88ba1701
Take care,
V (Male)
Agnostic Freethinker
Practical Philosopher
AA#2
.

User: "Sanitys Little Helper"
Title: Re: RELIGIOUS FREAKS ATTACKING MY MIND AT REHAB - HELP!!!!!	14 Aug 2007 09:03:25 AM

V <vfr44@aol.com> wrote in
news:1187093932.018872.313670@b79g2000hse.googlegroups.com to
alt.atheism:

On Aug 14, 6:06?am, Rob Cypher <robcypherena...@gmail.com> wrote:

I already told 'em I quit doing coke and dope months before I came
here (via the Intervention
show, who sent me to Florida for rehab) but was still dosing heavily
with DXM (robotussin/corcidin),
taking over 1300mg every 12 hours due to long-built tolerance. I'm
off that now too, and probably
won't get back on that because I now have my girlfriend to love.

BUT THESE FUCKING CHRISTIANS, MAN...they won't leave me alone.

I stopped going to groups because they're all based in AA/NA
literature, and I've already done
two previous rehabs totalling 12 months steeped in this *****, and
it did ZERO for me.
I keep telling me I don't believe in no god, and they keep telling me
it's a "god of my
understanding", and I tell them that I don't have no god, damn it!!!
Then they always conclude
with the "Lord's Prayer"! *****! I stopped going to groups a while ago
and am severely
depressed. I only got nine days left before I can leave properly
(i.e., get a plane ticket
back to pennsylvania). Meanwhile, there's about 40-50 slots here for
the type of rehab
I'm going through (aka "intake"), and 20-25 people have been kicked
out in the three
weeks I've been here for repeated drug use, and another 20-25 have
left AMA (probably
due to drug use, again).

The conselors are nice people, for the most part, but when I voice my
opinions they rattle
off AA/NA pro-christian nonsense like fucking robots. It's like all
they heard was "***** that"
and replied with some programmed nonsense designed to defend
themselves from new thoughts.

Thank goodness for my girlfriend, who is a pagan and is open to free
thought. Just recently
she sent me some "different" recovery litertature describing how
AA/NA is born from rich
white christian men with guilt complexes about being greedy bastards
(I already knew that)
and that AA/NA is based upon fear and loathing of self. the book goes
on to talk about a
"higher self" as opposed to a "higher power" and about loving
yourself. this makes much
more sense to me than anything else I've heard in this *****,
man.

They don't monitor my net.activity as long as I don't do anything
patently offensive like
look at pictures of porn or drugs.

BUT I NEED HELP. How do I ward off these brainwashers? Their programs
fail 2/3rds of
clients within 6 months, and probably close to 90% within two years.
If this was surgery
they would've had their license revoked a long time ago. Tell me how
to repel the xtians.

thanks

robcypher.livejournal.com

God and religion was part of

Is there a Headfucks Anonymous, and did you get thrown out of that as
well?
--
David Silverman C.B.E.
aa #2208
"*****! I used up my last non-sequitur" - Andrew B Chung
.

User: "#1 Fan"
Title: Re: RELIGIOUS FREAKS ATTACKING MY MIND AT REHAB - HELP!!!!!	14 Aug 2007 06:10:34 AM

Rob Cypher wrote...

BUT I NEED HELP. How do I ward off these brainwashers? Their programs
fail 2/3rds of
clients within 6 months, and probably close to 90% within two years.
If this was surgery
they would've had their license revoked a long time ago. Tell me how
to repel the xtians.

Are you there of your own free choice or were you sentenced to the rehab
program by a judge? If you were sentenced you could go to court and tell
them that your religious beliefs are being violated and request a secular
program or an alternative sentence. Tell the program "counselors" that
you don't want to hear their religious ***** and that you will either leave
of your own free will or go to court to demand your release. Document
every religous thing they say to you, writing it down in front of them
and making it clear what you are doing. Toss around some fancy terms like
involuntary confinement, offended spiritual beliefs, and ACLU and they
might leave you alone.
.

User: "Greywolf"
Title: Re: RELIGIOUS FREAKS ATTACKING MY MIND AT REHAB - HELP!!!!!	14 Aug 2007 08:31:20 AM

"#1 Fan" <fan@superstar.stalk.net> wrote in message
news:K4gwi.49401$YL5.29447@newssvr29.news.prodigy.net...

Rob Cypher wrote...

You can't. They've got you trapped. But you can show them you're the better
person. Go ahead and say the 'Serenity Prayer' with them. But when they want
you to hold hands and say that specifically Christian prayer, the 'Lords
Prayer', you ask that -- in the spirit of pure compromise and equal
balance -- everyone take turns reading selected passages from Dawkins', 'The
God Delusion', as well.
What? They *refuse* to?! Well then ask why an atheist is supposed to hold
hands and say not one, but *two* prayers. Ahh, but you don't *have* to, they
say. Yeah, and end up feeling like a jerk for not fully taking an active
part in the 'treatment'. But, hey, both you and 'they' are there to help
treat a serious disease. If it takes belief that a 1st-century Jew who, with
the aid of his supernatural 'Pa', went and created the universe -- and in
turn, every life form in the cosmos -- in order for some people to get off
the hootch or one drug or another, I suppose being addicted to Jesus can
help do the job. But what a *price* to pay. You end up hating people who
don't share your belief in the ridiculous. That's not good.
Just view your stay as a 'cruise' aboard a landing-barge in the middle of
the North Atlantic and be of firm mind that the sea-sickness will end once
you reach dry land.
Seriously. Just politely, but firmly, point out that you're not in the least
bit religious and hope they show you the same level of respect that *they*
expect from you. Respect is a two-way street, you know.
Greywolf

User: "Michael Gray"
Title: Re: RELIGIOUS FREAKS ATTACKING MY MIND AT REHAB - HELP!!!!!	15 Aug 2007 12:03:15 AM

On Tue, 14 Aug 2007 08:31:20 -0500, "Greywolf" <greywolf@cybrzn.com>
wrote:

"#1 Fan" <fan@superstar.stalk.net> wrote in message
news:K4gwi.49401$YL5.29447@newssvr29.news.prodigy.net...

Rob Cypher wrote...

You can't. They've got you trapped. But you can show them you're the better
person. Go ahead and say the 'Serenity Prayer' with them. But when they want
you to hold hands and say that specifically Christian prayer, the 'Lords
Prayer', you ask that -- in the spirit of pure compromise and equal
balance -- everyone take turns reading selected passages from Dawkins', 'The
God Delusion', as well.

What? They *refuse* to?! Well then ask why an atheist is supposed to hold
hands and say not one, but *two* prayers. Ahh, but you don't *have* to, they
say. Yeah, and end up feeling like a jerk for not fully taking an active
part in the 'treatment'. But, hey, both you and 'they' are there to help
treat a serious disease. If it takes belief that a 1st-century Jew who, with
the aid of his supernatural 'Pa', went and created the universe -- and in
turn, every life form in the cosmos -- in order for some people to get off
the hootch or one drug or another, I suppose being addicted to Jesus can
help do the job. But what a *price* to pay. You end up hating people who
don't share your belief in the ridiculous. That's not good.

Just view your stay as a 'cruise' aboard a landing-barge in the middle of
the North Atlantic and be of firm mind that the sea-sickness will end once
you reach dry land.

Seriously. Just politely, but firmly, point out that you're not in the least
bit religious and hope they show you the same level of respect that *they*
expect from you. Respect is a two-way street, you know.

Greywolf

Great advice.
Seriously.
Please listen to Greywolf who knows what he is talking about in this
department, (as well as many others).
.

User: ""
Title: Re: RELIGIOUS FREAKS ATTACKING MY MIND AT REHAB - HELP!!!!!	14 Aug 2007 09:29:25 AM

Rob,
you are wasting your intelligence by being a druggy and a thug.
You are capable of more than that. If you believe in it, and take
responsibility for fucking up all those years of your life.
If anything, the fact that you've survived the abuse you've thrown at
yourself shows how much stamina you have. But you'll only end up
destroying yourself if you don't quit.
It's time to be responsible and create something useful in life. Learn
a trade. Become an engineer or an artist or anything productive. Quit
the drugs.
.

User: ""
Title: Re: RELIGIOUS FREAKS ATTACKING MY MIND AT REHAB - HELP!!!!!	14 Aug 2007 10:59:05 PM

On Aug 14, 10:29 am,

wrote:

Rob,

you are wasting your intelligence by being a druggy and a thug.

wait a second. you sound like all of my probation officers. you're not
my p.o., are you?

You are capable of more than that. If you believe in it, and take
responsibility for fucking up all those years of your life.

If anything, the fact that you've survived the abuse you've thrown at
yourself shows how much stamina you have. But you'll only end up
destroying yourself if you don't quit.

now you sound like my ex-girlfriend

It's time to be responsible and create something useful in life. Learn
a trade. Become an engineer or an artist or anything productive. Quit
the drugs.

now you sound like my current girlfriend.
are you channeling people or something?
robcypher.livejournal.com
.

User: ""
Title: Re: RELIGIOUS FREAKS ATTACKING MY MIND AT REHAB - HELP!!!!!	15 Aug 2007 08:25:05 AM

On Aug 15, 4:59 am,

wrote:

On Aug 14, 10:29 am,

wrote:

Rob,

you are wasting your intelligence by being a druggy and a thug.

wait a second. you sound like all of my probation officers. you're not
my p.o., are you?

You are capable of more than that. If you believe in it, and take
responsibility for fucking up all those years of your life.

If anything, the fact that you've survived the abuse you've thrown at
yourself shows how much stamina you have. But you'll only end up
destroying yourself if you don't quit.

now you sound like my ex-girlfriend

It's time to be responsible and create something useful in life. Learn
a trade. Become an engineer or an artist or anything productive. Quit
the drugs.

now you sound like my current girlfriend.

are you channeling people or something?

No, it's called just being caring, or at least honest and considerate.
In fact many people can display such qualities, and they don't even
need to know each other. Must be an alien concept to you?
It's kind of like how many people unconnected to each other can be
total assholes. They aren't each other, but they are still assholes.
To me, THAT is the alien concept, but I've had to deal with it too.
.

User: "Steady Eddy"
Title: Re: RELIGIOUS FREAKS ATTACKING MY MIND AT REHAB - HELP!!!!!	14 Aug 2007 09:28:44 PM

Sure do it your way and see how long you last. Your best thinking got
you in rehab. The only way you can get off of dope is to be in a
controlled environment. You will be going back out into the real world
soon. Looks like you did not learn a damn thing. Oh Well I guess you
need to get your ***** shot full of arrows again. Good Luck to you. I
hope you can make it back in to AA/NA when the time is right for you.
Without help you will fail again. I suggest you go to meetings and
quit pretending like you are some kind of genius.
On Aug 14, 3:06 am, Rob Cypher <robcypherena...@gmail.com> wrote:

I already told 'em I quit doing coke and dope months before I came
here (via the Intervention
show, who sent me to Florida for rehab) but was still dosing heavily
with DXM (robotussin/corcidin),
taking over 1300mg every 12 hours due to long-built tolerance. I'm off
that now too, and probably
won't get back on that because I now have my girlfriend to love.

BUT THESE FUCKING CHRISTIANS, MAN...they won't leave me alone.

I stopped going to groups because they're all based in AA/NA
literature, and I've already done
two previous rehabs totalling 12 months steeped in this *****, and
it did ZERO for me.
I keep telling me I don't believe in no god, and they keep telling me
it's a "god of my
understanding", and I tell them that I don't have no god, damn it!!!
Then they always conclude
with the "Lord's Prayer"! *****! I stopped going to groups a while ago
and am severely
depressed. I only got nine days left before I can leave properly
(i.e., get a plane ticket
back to pennsylvania). Meanwhile, there's about 40-50 slots here for
the type of rehab
I'm going through (aka "intake"), and 20-25 people have been kicked
out in the three
weeks I've been here for repeated drug use, and another 20-25 have
left AMA (probably
due to drug use, again).

The conselors are nice people, for the most part, but when I voice my
opinions they rattle
off AA/NA pro-christian nonsense like fucking robots. It's like all
they heard was "***** that"
and replied with some programmed nonsense designed to defend
themselves from new thoughts.

Thank goodness for my girlfriend, who is a pagan and is open to free
thought. Just recently
she sent me some "different" recovery litertature describing how AA/NA
is born from rich
white christian men with guilt complexes about being greedy bastards
(I already knew that)
and that AA/NA is based upon fear and loathing of self. the book goes
on to talk about a
"higher self" as opposed to a "higher power" and about loving
yourself. this makes much
more sense to me than anything else I've heard in this *****,
man.

They don't monitor my net.activity as long as I don't do anything
patently offensive like
look at pictures of porn or drugs.

BUT I NEED HELP. How do I ward off these brainwashers? Their programs
fail 2/3rds of
clients within 6 months, and probably close to 90% within two years.
If this was surgery
they would've had their license revoked a long time ago. Tell me how
to repel the xtians.

thanks

robcypher.livejournal.com

User: "Michael Gray"
Title: Re: RELIGIOUS FREAKS ATTACKING MY MIND AT REHAB - HELP!!!!!	15 Aug 2007 01:09:10 AM

On Tue, 14 Aug 2007 19:28:44 -0700, Steady Eddy
<nonsmoking1@comcast.net> wrote:

Sure do it your way and see how long you last.

Rehab need not be Xtian indoctrination.
It is not a choice between 'accepting a mythical fraud' and 'doing it
on your own'.
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User: "Steady Eddy"
Title: Re: RELIGIOUS FREAKS ATTACKING MY MIND AT REHAB - HELP!!!!!	15 Aug 2007 02:44:03 AM

On Aug 14, 11:09 pm, Michael Gray <mikeg...@newsguy.com> wrote:

On Tue, 14 Aug 2007 19:28:44 -0700, Steady Eddy

<nonsmoki...@comcast.net> wrote:

Sure do it your way and see how long you last.

Rehab need not be Xtian indoctrination.
It is not a choice between 'accepting a mythical fraud' and 'doing it
on your own'.

Going it alone won't work for a heavily addicted person like Cypher.
However, I wish him the best. If I was an addict I would attend
meetings, meet people who are sober and learn how to live without
drugs. The only way to learn how is by hanging around people who are
clean. So if I had to put up with a little God ***** it would be
worth it.
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User: ""
Title: Re: RELIGIOUS FREAKS ATTACKING MY MIND AT REHAB - HELP!!!!!	15 Aug 2007 06:25:13 AM

On Aug 15, 3:44 am, Steady Eddy <nonsmoki...@comcast.net> wrote:

On Aug 14, 11:09 pm, Michael Gray <mikeg...@newsguy.com> wrote:

On Tue, 14 Aug 2007 19:28:44 -0700, Steady Eddy

<nonsmoki...@comcast.net> wrote:

Sure do it your way and see how long you last.

Rehab need not be Xtian indoctrination.
It is not a choice between 'accepting a mythical fraud' and 'doing it
on your own'.

I find irony in a resident of alt.drugs.hard calling me heavily
addicted, especially
because I stopped using crack and heroin by myself over 6 months and a
year
ago, respectively. Aren't you the same guy who said "DXM is for
wusses, dope
is for winners?".
robcypher.livejournal.com
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User: "Michael Gray"
Title: Re: RELIGIOUS FREAKS ATTACKING MY MIND AT REHAB - HELP!!!!!	15 Aug 2007 06:28:42 AM

On Wed, 15 Aug 2007 00:44:03 -0700, Steady Eddy
<nonsmoking1@comcast.net> wrote:

On Aug 14, 11:09 pm, Michael Gray <mikeg...@newsguy.com> wrote:

On Tue, 14 Aug 2007 19:28:44 -0700, Steady Eddy

<nonsmoki...@comcast.net> wrote:

Sure do it your way and see how long you last.

Rehab need not be Xtian indoctrination.
It is not a choice between 'accepting a mythical fraud' and 'doing it
on your own'.

That might be your choice.
I would choose otherwise.
Oh well...
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User: "Sean Carroll"
Title: Re: RELIGIOUS FREAKS ATTACKING MY MIND AT REHAB - HELP!!!!!	15 Aug 2007 11:52:26 AM

Steady Eddy wrote:

If I was an addict I would attend
meetings, meet people who are sober and learn how to live without
drugs.

Go ahead. Go get an addiction, then come back and tell us how faithfully
you stuck to this goody-goody '*I* would handle it so much better'
moralising.
--
--Sean
http://spclsd223.livejournal.com/
Cameron: Men should grow up.
House: And dogs should stop licking themselves. It's not gonna happen.
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User: "DoctorRon"
Title: Re: RELIGIOUS FREAKS ATTACKING MY MIND AT REHAB - HELP!!!!!	14 Aug 2007 03:08:44 PM

THESE PEOPLE ARE DANGEROUS HYPOCRITES.
You want to be "cured" go see Dr. Daniel Amen. Look him up. Curing with
technology and NOT religious dogma *****.
Did you know that one of the "fathers" of AA, Dr. Bob, was "cured" of his
alcoholism by the HEAVY and REPEATED use of LSD in a therapeutic setting?
THIS is no *****! Read "Storming Heaven" (Lee/Shlain) for a citation.
DocRon
"If 'yer doin' business with a RELIGIOUS son-of-a-*****
"GET IT IN WRITING
"His word don't mean *****,
"Not with the "Good Lord" tellin' him how to ***** 'ya on the deal!"
--WS Burroughs
"Words of Advice for Young People"
Spare-***** Annie and Other Tales
On Tue, 14 Aug 2007 05:06:33 -0500, Rob Cypher <robcypherenator@gmail.com>
wrote:

I already told 'em I quit doing coke and dope months before I came
here (via the Intervention
show, who sent me to Florida for rehab) but was still dosing heavily
with DXM (robotussin/corcidin),
taking over 1300mg every 12 hours due to long-built tolerance. I'm off
that now too, and probably
won't get back on that because I now have my girlfriend to love.

BUT THESE FUCKING CHRISTIANS, MAN...they won't leave me alone.

I stopped going to groups because they're all based in AA/NA
literature, and I've already done
two previous rehabs totalling 12 months steeped in this *****, and
it did ZERO for me.
I keep telling me I don't believe in no god, and they keep telling me
it's a "god of my
understanding", and I tell them that I don't have no god, damn it!!!
Then they always conclude
with the "Lord's Prayer"! *****! I stopped going to groups a while ago
and am severely
depressed. I only got nine days left before I can leave properly
(i.e., get a plane ticket
back to pennsylvania). Meanwhile, there's about 40-50 slots here for
the type of rehab
I'm going through (aka "intake"), and 20-25 people have been kicked
out in the three
weeks I've been here for repeated drug use, and another 20-25 have
left AMA (probably
due to drug use, again).

The conselors are nice people, for the most part, but when I voice my
opinions they rattle
off AA/NA pro-christian nonsense like fucking robots. It's like all
they heard was "***** that"
and replied with some programmed nonsense designed to defend
themselves from new thoughts.

Thank goodness for my girlfriend, who is a pagan and is open to free
thought. Just recently
she sent me some "different" recovery litertature describing how AA/NA
is born from rich
white christian men with guilt complexes about being greedy bastards
(I already knew that)
and that AA/NA is based upon fear and loathing of self. the book goes
on to talk about a
"higher self" as opposed to a "higher power" and about loving
yourself. this makes much
more sense to me than anything else I've heard in this *****,
man.

They don't monitor my net.activity as long as I don't do anything
patently offensive like
look at pictures of porn or drugs.

BUT I NEED HELP. How do I ward off these brainwashers? Their programs
fail 2/3rds of
clients within 6 months, and probably close to 90% within two years.
If this was surgery
they would've had their license revoked a long time ago. Tell me how
to repel the xtians.

thanks

robcypher.livejournal.com

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User: "JHD"
Title: Re: RELIGIOUS FREAKS ATTACKING MY MIND AT REHAB - HELP!!!!!	14 Aug 2007 03:17:52 PM

DoctorRon <sherryramsay@comcast.net> wrote in
news:op.tw2fkvfuhx8q4d@silalc:

THESE PEOPLE ARE DANGEROUS HYPOCRITES.

User: "Steady Eddy"
Title: Re: RELIGIOUS FREAKS ATTACKING MY MIND AT REHAB - HELP!!!!!	15 Aug 2007 03:50:19 PM

On Aug 14, 1:17 pm, JHD <n...@jhd.invalid> wrote:

DoctorRon <sherryram...@comcast.net> wrote innews:op.tw2fkvfuhx8q4d@silalc:

THESE PEOPLE ARE DANGEROUS HYPOCRITES.

User: "Spencer 忽帕"
Title: Re: RELIGIOUS FREAKS ATTACKING MY MIND AT REHAB - HELP!!!!!	15 Aug 2007 05:49:54 PM

"Steady Eddy" <nonsmoking1@comcast.net> wrote in message news:11

On Aug 14, 1:17 pm, JHD <n...@jhd.invalid> wrote:

DoctorRon <sherryram...@comcast.net> wrote
innews:op.tw2fkvfuhx8q4d@silalc:

and BTW Cypher Marijuana and Alcohol are drugs and if you are using
either then you are not sober. Alcohol and Marijuana are gateway
drugs
back to herion or whatever else you were addicted to. YOU ARE
ADDICTED
TO GETTING HIGH SO ANYTHING THAT GETS YOU HIGH LIIKE ALCOHOL OR POT
MUST BE AVOIDED.

Alcohol was killing my friend and after he stopped drinking he smoked
a lot of pot and a lot of cigs
separately. He tried to quit tobacco but he was too tense and angry.
He was stoned all the time and it didn't seem to effect him.
INHO alcohol is bad and pot is relatively harmless... less than
tobacco...
A man has to have a hobby ....
and if it doesn't harm anyone else it should be legal.
I thought we were in favour of drugs and getting high as long as it
harms no-one else.
I'm high on Kratom and having a small bottle of beer right now...
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