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14 Apr 2005 11:31:21 PM |
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Religious Man Wants to Rename Mt. Diablo |
Tom DeLay will introduce emergency legislation to wipe this name off
all U.S. maps!
April 14, 2005
Religious Man Wants to Rename Mt. Diablo
By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
OAKLEY, Calif. (AP) -- An Oakley man has asked the federal government
to rename Mount Diablo, saying the current name, which means devil in
Spanish, is offensive to his religious sensibilities.
Art Mijares applied to the U.S. Board on Geographic Names for the
change and suggests naming the mountain Mount Kawukum, which he
believes has American Indian roots.
''Words have power, and when you start mentioning words that come from
the dark side, evil thrives,'' Mijares told the Contra Costa Times.
''When I take boys camping on the mountain, I don't even like to say
its name. I have to explain what the name means. Why should we have a
main feature of our community that celebrates the devil?''
To make the change, Mijares would need to persuade federal, state and
local governments that it's necessary. That may be easier said than
done.
It's been called Mount Diablo for at least 164 years, and references
to the mountain permeate thousands of maps, books and historical
documents.
The name Kawukum first surfaced in 1866, when a church group tried to
change Mount Diablo's name for reasons nearly identical to Mijares',
according to San Francisco Bay area researcher Bev Ortiz.
''We abhor the wicked creature to whom the name is appropriate, and
spurn the use of the name for anything noble or good on earth,''
proclaimed the Congregational Church of San Francisco in its
newsletter of the day.
The church proposed Kawukum, spelled then as Kahwookum, ''a word
learned from an unidentified Indian living at the base of the
mountain,'' Ortiz wrote in a history of the mountain's name. Members
presented a name-change petition to the Legislature, but lawmakers
postponed a decision indefinitely.
The name Mount Diablo grew from the Spanish name given to an Indian
village set near a willow thicket in modern-day Concord, where
Chupcans staged a daring nighttime escape during an 1805 military
campaign.
Spanish soldiers said Indians evaded them only with the help of evil
spirits and named the site ''Monte del Diablo,'' or thicket of the
devil, which American explorers later mistakenly applied to the
mountain.
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| User: "Dale" |
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| Title: Re: Religious Man Wants to Rename Mt. Diablo |
15 Apr 2005 11:31:28 PM |
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"socalgy" <socalgy@remo.biz> wrote in message
news:u8vt5118il6p1n9bif2uaf0dk577g84ufc@4ax.com...
Tom DeLay will introduce emergency legislation to wipe this name off
all U.S. maps!
April 14, 2005
Religious Man Wants to Rename Mt. Diablo
By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
OAKLEY, Calif. (AP) -- An Oakley man has asked the federal government
to rename Mount Diablo, saying the current name, which means devil in
Spanish, is offensive to his religious sensibilities.
Political correctness by any other name...
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| User: "Peacenik" |
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| Title: Re: Religious Man Wants to Rename Mt. Diablo |
16 Apr 2005 11:04:38 AM |
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"Dale" <dmgreer@nspm.airmail.net> wrote in message
news:k9Y7e.1343$JJ2.248@newssvr12.news.prodigy.com...
"socalgy" <socalgy@remo.biz> wrote in message
news:u8vt5118il6p1n9bif2uaf0dk577g84ufc@4ax.com...
Tom DeLay will introduce emergency legislation to wipe this name off
all U.S. maps!
April 14, 2005
Religious Man Wants to Rename Mt. Diablo
By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
OAKLEY, Calif. (AP) -- An Oakley man has asked the federal government
to rename Mount Diablo, saying the current name, which means devil in
Spanish, is offensive to his religious sensibilities.
Political correctness by any other name...
What's next? Devil's Tower? I mean, they already renumbered Route
666...seriously!
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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| Title: Re: Religious Man Wants to Rename Mt. Diablo |
16 Apr 2005 12:58:28 PM |
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"Peacenik" <cnelsonpublic@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:d3qrg4$bsp$1@news.seed.net.tw...
"Dale" <dmgreer@nspm.airmail.net> wrote in message
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"socalgy" <socalgy@remo.biz> wrote in message
news:u8vt5118il6p1n9bif2uaf0dk577g84ufc@4ax.com...
Tom DeLay will introduce emergency legislation to wipe this name off
all U.S. maps!
April 14, 2005
Religious Man Wants to Rename Mt. Diablo
By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
OAKLEY, Calif. (AP) -- An Oakley man has asked the federal government
to rename Mount Diablo, saying the current name, which means devil in
Spanish, is offensive to his religious sensibilities.
Political correctness by any other name...
What's next? Devil's Tower? I mean, they already renumbered Route
666...seriously!
I remember this gorgeous place outside of the University of Florida called
"The Devil's Millhopper". Hate to see that name changed :(
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Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
#1557
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| User: "Elroy Willis" |
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16 Apr 2005 11:47:10 AM |
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Peacenik <cnelsonpublic@hotmail.com> wrote in alt.atheism
Dale <dmgreer@nspm.airmail.net> wrote in message
socalgy <socalgy@remo.biz> wrote in message
Tom DeLay will introduce emergency legislation to wipe this name off
all U.S. maps!
April 14, 2005
Religious Man Wants to Rename Mt. Diablo
By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
OAKLEY, Calif. (AP) -- An Oakley man has asked the federal government
to rename Mount Diablo, saying the current name, which means devil in
Spanish, is offensive to his religious sensibilities.
Political correctness by any other name...
What's next? Devil's Tower? I mean, they already renumbered Route
666...seriously!
Maybe atheists should try to get all the cities named after Catholic
saints changed as well? Santa Anna, San Francisco, Santa Cruz, Santa
Clara, San Carlos, San Clemente, San Jose, Santa Barbara, etc...
And Los Angeles should be changed as well, since it refers to angels,
which upsets my non-religious sensibilities.
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Elroy Willis
www.elroysemporium.com
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| User: "Veruyu" |
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16 Apr 2005 11:42:49 AM |
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Peacenik wrote:
"Dale" <dmgreer@nspm.airmail.net> wrote in message
news:k9Y7e.1343$JJ2.248@newssvr12.news.prodigy.com...
"socalgy" <socalgy@remo.biz> wrote in message
news:u8vt5118il6p1n9bif2uaf0dk577g84ufc@4ax.com...
Tom DeLay will introduce emergency legislation to wipe this name
off
all U.S. maps!
April 14, 2005
Religious Man Wants to Rename Mt. Diablo
By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
OAKLEY, Calif. (AP) -- An Oakley man has asked the federal
government
to rename Mount Diablo, saying the current name, which means
devil in
Spanish, is offensive to his religious sensibilities.
Political correctness by any other name...
What's next? Devil's Tower? I mean, they already renumbered Route
666...seriously!
Nullson, if the mountain was named "Mt.*****" or "Mt.*****" you would
demand that it be changed because it would offend you in the same way.
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| User: "Peacenik" |
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17 Apr 2005 03:56:43 AM |
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"Veruyu" <rcman777@excite.com> wrote in message
news:1113651769.054507.210820@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
Peacenik wrote:
"Dale" <dmgreer@nspm.airmail.net> wrote in message
news:k9Y7e.1343$JJ2.248@newssvr12.news.prodigy.com...
"socalgy" <socalgy@remo.biz> wrote in message
news:u8vt5118il6p1n9bif2uaf0dk577g84ufc@4ax.com...
Tom DeLay will introduce emergency legislation to wipe this name
off
all U.S. maps!
April 14, 2005
Religious Man Wants to Rename Mt. Diablo
By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
OAKLEY, Calif. (AP) -- An Oakley man has asked the federal
government
to rename Mount Diablo, saying the current name, which means
devil in
Spanish, is offensive to his religious sensibilities.
Political correctness by any other name...
What's next? Devil's Tower? I mean, they already renumbered Route
666...seriously!
Nullson, if the mountain was named "Mt.*****" or "Mt.*****" you would
demand that it be changed because it would offend you in the same way.
Apples and oranges.
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| User: "Veruyu" |
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| Title: Re: Religious Man Wants to Rename Mt. Diablo |
18 Apr 2005 09:40:48 PM |
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Peacenik wrote:
"Veruyu" <rcman777@excite.com> wrote in message
news:1113651769.054507.210820@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
Peacenik wrote:
"Dale" <dmgreer@nspm.airmail.net> wrote in message
news:k9Y7e.1343$JJ2.248@newssvr12.news.prodigy.com...
"socalgy" <socalgy@remo.biz> wrote in message
news:u8vt5118il6p1n9bif2uaf0dk577g84ufc@4ax.com...
Tom DeLay will introduce emergency legislation to wipe this
name
off
all U.S. maps!
April 14, 2005
Religious Man Wants to Rename Mt. Diablo
By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
OAKLEY, Calif. (AP) -- An Oakley man has asked the federal
government
to rename Mount Diablo, saying the current name, which means
devil in
Spanish, is offensive to his religious sensibilities.
Political correctness by any other name...
What's next? Devil's Tower? I mean, they already renumbered Route
666...seriously!
Nullson, if the mountain was named "Mt.*****" or "Mt.*****" you
would
demand that it be changed because it would offend you in the same
way.
Apples and oranges.
Not at all, Nullson. You would think that "Mt.*****" would offend your
sensibilities and be a threat to your way of life.
But then you're too bound up in your logic-tight little Mr. Rogers
world to entertain thoughts of self-doubt.
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16 Apr 2005 03:48:04 PM |
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Veruyu wrote:
Peacenik wrote:
"Dale" <dmgreer@nspm.airmail.net> wrote in message
news:k9Y7e.1343$JJ2.248@newssvr12.news.prodigy.com...
"socalgy" <socalgy@remo.biz> wrote in message
news:u8vt5118il6p1n9bif2uaf0dk577g84ufc@4ax.com...
Tom DeLay will introduce emergency legislation to wipe this
name
off
all U.S. maps!
April 14, 2005
Religious Man Wants to Rename Mt. Diablo
By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
OAKLEY, Calif. (AP) -- An Oakley man has asked the federal
government
to rename Mount Diablo, saying the current name, which means
devil in
Spanish, is offensive to his religious sensibilities.
Political correctness by any other name...
What's next? Devil's Tower? I mean, they already renumbered Route
666...seriously!
Nullson, if the mountain was named "Mt.*****" or "Mt.*****" you
would
demand that it be changed because it would offend you in the same
way.
You mean to say that your imagination is telling you that this mountain
is calling you a 'devil'. How do you think the atheists of the world
put up with things like Christmas, St. Paddy's Day, and the vast number
of places called after religious figures?
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| User: "Mike Painter" |
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16 Apr 2005 08:58:29 PM |
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Peacenik wrote:
"Dale" <dmgreer@nspm.airmail.net> wrote in message
news:k9Y7e.1343$JJ2.248@newssvr12.news.prodigy.com...
"socalgy" <socalgy@remo.biz> wrote in message
news:u8vt5118il6p1n9bif2uaf0dk577g84ufc@4ax.com...
Tom DeLay will introduce emergency legislation to wipe this name off
all U.S. maps!
April 14, 2005
Religious Man Wants to Rename Mt. Diablo
By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
OAKLEY, Calif. (AP) -- An Oakley man has asked the federal
government to rename Mount Diablo, saying the current name, which
means devil in Spanish, is offensive to his religious sensibilities.
Political correctness by any other name...
What's next? Devil's Tower? I mean, they already renumbered Route
666...seriously!
Woodland California: 916 666- xxxx
I was in a fundie christian school helping a Migrant head start summer class
when I found this out. Even teh minister had a 666 number.
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| User: "Josef Balluch" |
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15 Apr 2005 11:45:44 PM |
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In a message sent 'round the world, socalgy poured fuel on the fire with
the following:
....
''Words have power, and when you start mentioning words that come from
the dark side, evil thrives,'' Mijares told the Contra Costa Times.
....
It is amazing that the theist mind can harbour such strange ideas.
Regards,
Josef
Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm
not sure about the former.
-- Einstein
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| User: "chibiabos" |
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15 Apr 2005 06:04:29 PM |
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In article <u8vt5118il6p1n9bif2uaf0dk577g84ufc@4ax.com>, socalgy
<socalgy@remo.biz> wrote:
Tom DeLay will introduce emergency legislation to wipe this name off
all U.S. maps!
April 14, 2005
Religious Man Wants to Rename Mt. Diablo
By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
OAKLEY, Calif. (AP) -- An Oakley man has asked the federal government
to rename Mount Diablo, saying the current name, which means devil in
Spanish, is offensive to his religious sensibilities.
Art Mijares applied to the U.S. Board on Geographic Names for the
change and suggests naming the mountain Mount Kawukum, which he
believes has American Indian roots.
''Words have power, and when you start mentioning words that come from
the dark side, evil thrives,'' Mijares told the Contra Costa Times.
''When I take boys camping on the mountain, I don't even like to say
its name. I have to explain what the name means. Why should we have a
main feature of our community that celebrates the devil?''
To make the change, Mijares would need to persuade federal, state and
local governments that it's necessary. That may be easier said than
done.
It's been called Mount Diablo for at least 164 years, and references
to the mountain permeate thousands of maps, books and historical
documents.
The name Kawukum first surfaced in 1866, when a church group tried to
change Mount Diablo's name for reasons nearly identical to Mijares',
according to San Francisco Bay area researcher Bev Ortiz.
''We abhor the wicked creature to whom the name is appropriate, and
spurn the use of the name for anything noble or good on earth,''
proclaimed the Congregational Church of San Francisco in its
newsletter of the day.
The church proposed Kawukum, spelled then as Kahwookum, ''a word
learned from an unidentified Indian living at the base of the
mountain,''
Unbeknownst to whites, "kahwookum" is a Modoc Indian word meaning,
roughly, "flaming evil spirit from the depths of the earth."
-chib
--
Member of SMASH
Sarcastic Middle-aged Atheists with a Sense of Humor
(email: change out to in)
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| User: "stoney" |
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17 Apr 2005 04:48:18 AM |
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On Fri, 15 Apr 2005 11:04:29 -0700, chibiabos <chib@outreach.com>
wrote:
In article <u8vt5118il6p1n9bif2uaf0dk577g84ufc@4ax.com>, socalgy
<socalgy@remo.biz> wrote:
Tom DeLay will introduce emergency legislation to wipe this name off
all U.S. maps!
April 14, 2005
Religious Man Wants to Rename Mt. Diablo
By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
OAKLEY, Calif. (AP) -- An Oakley man has asked the federal government
to rename Mount Diablo, saying the current name, which means devil in
Spanish, is offensive to his religious sensibilities.
Art Mijares applied to the U.S. Board on Geographic Names for the
change and suggests naming the mountain Mount Kawukum, which he
believes has American Indian roots.
''Words have power, and when you start mentioning words that come from
the dark side, evil thrives,'' Mijares told the Contra Costa Times.
''When I take boys camping on the mountain, I don't even like to say
its name. I have to explain what the name means. Why should we have a
main feature of our community that celebrates the devil?''
To make the change, Mijares would need to persuade federal, state and
local governments that it's necessary. That may be easier said than
done.
It's been called Mount Diablo for at least 164 years, and references
to the mountain permeate thousands of maps, books and historical
documents.
The name Kawukum first surfaced in 1866, when a church group tried to
change Mount Diablo's name for reasons nearly identical to Mijares',
according to San Francisco Bay area researcher Bev Ortiz.
''We abhor the wicked creature to whom the name is appropriate, and
spurn the use of the name for anything noble or good on earth,''
proclaimed the Congregational Church of San Francisco in its
newsletter of the day.
The church proposed Kawukum, spelled then as Kahwookum, ''a word
learned from an unidentified Indian living at the base of the
mountain,''
Unbeknownst to whites, "kahwookum" is a Modoc Indian word meaning,
roughly, "flaming evil spirit from the depths of the earth."
ROFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
-chib
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
Religion is the original war crime.
-Michelle Malkin (Feb 26, 2005)
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| User: "Guardian Pegasus" |
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15 Apr 2005 03:29:42 AM |
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On Thu, 14 Apr 2005 18:31:21 -0500, socalgy <socalgy@remo.biz> wrote:
OAKLEY, Calif. (AP) -- An Oakley man has asked the federal government
to rename Mount Diablo, saying the current name, which means devil in
Spanish, is offensive to his religious sensibilities.
Fine.
In return I want all the spanish named places in California which
conflict with my beliefs to be altered, starting with everything named
"San" or "Santa".
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| User: "Elroy Willis" |
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16 Apr 2005 12:00:33 PM |
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Guardian Pegasus <popeundercover@holysee.va> wrote in alt.atheism
socalgy <socalgy@remo.biz> wrote:
OAKLEY, Calif. (AP) -- An Oakley man has asked the federal government
to rename Mount Diablo, saying the current name, which means devil in
Spanish, is offensive to his religious sensibilities.
Fine.
In return I want all the spanish named places in California which
conflict with my beliefs to be altered, starting with everything named
"San" or "Santa".
Dang it, you beat me to it. I just posted the exact same thing.
Out of curiosity though, why are some names abbreviated to San
instead of using Santa?
--
Elroy Willis
www.elroysemporium.com
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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16 Apr 2005 03:14:33 PM |
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Elroy Willis <elroywillis@swbell.net> wrote in
news:cdv1615fth7mbl45rj7amdqr3obdrgoeob@4ax.com:
Guardian Pegasus <popeundercover@holysee.va> wrote in alt.atheism
socalgy <socalgy@remo.biz> wrote:
OAKLEY, Calif. (AP) -- An Oakley man has asked the federal
government to rename Mount Diablo, saying the current name, which
means devil in Spanish, is offensive to his religious sensibilities.
Fine.
In return I want all the spanish named places in California which
conflict with my beliefs to be altered, starting with everything
named "San" or "Santa".
Dang it, you beat me to it. I just posted the exact same thing.
Out of curiosity though, why are some names abbreviated to San
instead of using Santa?
IINM, "San" is masculine and "Santa" is feminine.
San Francisco vs Santa Barbara...
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Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"You know you're over the target when you start receiving flak."
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| User: "stoney" |
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17 Apr 2005 04:47:18 AM |
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On Sat, 16 Apr 2005 15:14:33 GMT, Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com>
wrote:
Elroy Willis <elroywillis@swbell.net> wrote in
news:cdv1615fth7mbl45rj7amdqr3obdrgoeob@4ax.com:
Guardian Pegasus <popeundercover@holysee.va> wrote in alt.atheism
socalgy <socalgy@remo.biz> wrote:
OAKLEY, Calif. (AP) -- An Oakley man has asked the federal
government to rename Mount Diablo, saying the current name, which
means devil in Spanish, is offensive to his religious sensibilities.
Fine.
In return I want all the spanish named places in California which
conflict with my beliefs to be altered, starting with everything
named "San" or "Santa".
Dang it, you beat me to it. I just posted the exact same thing.
Out of curiosity though, why are some names abbreviated to San
instead of using Santa?
IINM, "San" is masculine and "Santa" is feminine.
San Francisco vs Santa Barbara...
So Santa Claus is a lesbian female in drag....
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
Religion is the original war crime.
-Michelle Malkin (Feb 26, 2005)
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| User: "Douglas Berry" |
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17 Apr 2005 06:55:53 AM |
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On Sat, 16 Apr 2005 21:47:18 -0700, stoney <stoney@the.net> drained
his beer, leaned back in the alt.atheism beanbag and drunkenly
proclaimed the following
IINM, "San" is masculine and "Santa" is feminine.
San Francisco vs Santa Barbara...
So Santa Claus is a lesbian female in drag....
If only!
Actually, Santa Claus is corrupted Dutch, from the Sinter (saint)
Klaas, Klass being a shortened form of Nikolaas.
--
Douglas E. Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
"Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as
when they do it from religious conviction."
Blaise Pascal (1623-1662), Pense'es, #894.
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| User: "stoney" |
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17 Apr 2005 03:43:12 PM |
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On Sun, 17 Apr 2005 06:55:53 GMT, Douglas Berry
<penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote:
On Sat, 16 Apr 2005 21:47:18 -0700, stoney <stoney@the.net> drained
his beer, leaned back in the alt.atheism beanbag and drunkenly
proclaimed the following
IINM, "San" is masculine and "Santa" is feminine.
San Francisco vs Santa Barbara...
So Santa Claus is a lesbian female in drag....
If only!
Indeed. :D
Actually, Santa Claus is corrupted Dutch, from the Sinter (saint)
Klaas, Klass being a shortened form of Nikolaas.
Yes. It was fun playing with the verbage.
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
Religion is the original war crime.
-Michelle Malkin (Feb 26, 2005)
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| User: "Douglas Berry" |
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16 Apr 2005 04:17:45 PM |
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On Sat, 16 Apr 2005 12:00:33 GMT, Elroy Willis
<elroywillis@swbell.net> drained his beer, leaned back in the
alt.atheism beanbag and drunkenly proclaimed the following
Dang it, you beat me to it. I just posted the exact same thing.
Out of curiosity though, why are some names abbreviated to San
instead of using Santa?
Male and female forms of the word "saint"
San Francisco = Saint Francis
Santa Clara = Saint Claire
BTW, have you ever heard the full name of Baghdad by the Bay?
Mission de San Francisco de Assisi y Pueblo de la Yerba Buena
I don't mind the names, since they are part of California's history.
Most of the cities were named for the chain of missions established by
Junipero Serra in the 18th century. He got as far north as San
Francisco (which is where the names stop being Spanish/Catholic). As
the settlements expanded, the Spanish settlers named their villages
after the local church. We also have local names like Los Gatos (The
Cats, named for the mountain lions and bobcats endemic to the Coast
Range)
Another fun fact. If you look at a map of the California coast, you
can track the progress of a Spanish explorer. Many points are named
for the date the were spotted, such as Ano Nuevo (New Years), Point
Conception (Feast of the Conception), Point Reyes (Feast of the Three
Kings) etc.
--
Douglas E. Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
"Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as
when they do it from religious conviction."
Blaise Pascal (1623-1662), Pense'es, #894.
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| User: "Elroy Willis" |
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17 Apr 2005 03:21:39 PM |
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Douglas Berry <penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote in alt.atheism
Elroy Willis drunkenly proclaimed the following
Dang it, you beat me to it. I just posted the exact same thing.
Out of curiosity though, why are some names abbreviated to San
instead of using Santa?
Male and female forms of the word "saint"
San Francisco = Saint Francis
Santa Clara = Saint Claire
Aha!
BTW, have you ever heard the full name of Baghdad by the Bay?
Mission de San Francisco de Assisi y Pueblo de la Yerba Buena
Village of the good grass, eh? I've heard good things about
California sensemilla, but never tried it. :)
I don't mind the names, since they are part of California's history.
Most of the cities were named for the chain of missions established by
Junipero Serra in the 18th century. He got as far north as San
Francisco (which is where the names stop being Spanish/Catholic). As
the settlements expanded, the Spanish settlers named their villages
after the local church. We also have local names like Los Gatos (The
Cats, named for the mountain lions and bobcats endemic to the Coast
Range)
Another fun fact. If you look at a map of the California coast, you
can track the progress of a Spanish explorer. Many points are named
for the date the were spotted, such as Ano Nuevo (New Years), Point
Conception (Feast of the Conception), Point Reyes (Feast of the Three
Kings) etc.
What finally stopped the explorers?
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Elroy Willis
www.elroysemporium.com
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| User: "Douglas Berry" |
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| Title: Re: Religious Man Wants to Rename Mt. Diablo |
17 Apr 2005 04:01:23 PM |
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On Sun, 17 Apr 2005 15:21:39 GMT, Elroy Willis
<elroywillis@swbell.net> drained his beer, leaned back in the
alt.atheism beanbag and drunkenly proclaimed the following
Douglas Berry <penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote in alt.atheism
Elroy Willis drunkenly proclaimed the following
BTW, have you ever heard the full name of Baghdad by the Bay?
Mission de San Francisco de Assisi y Pueblo de la Yerba Buena
Village of the good grass, eh? I've heard good things about
California sensemilla, but never tried it. :)
There are couple of possible translations, it's accepted that it was
intended to mean something like "beautiful gardens" or "good herbs."
Another fun fact. If you look at a map of the California coast, you
can track the progress of a Spanish explorer. Many points are named
for the date the were spotted, such as Ano Nuevo (New Years), Point
Conception (Feast of the Conception), Point Reyes (Feast of the Three
Kings) etc.
What finally stopped the explorers?
Ran out of ships. We have some wicked storms along this coast.
What's realy amusing is they sailed right past the Golden Gate and
didn't realize that one of the greatest natural harbors in the world
was there for the taking.
--
Douglas E. Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
"Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as
when they do it from religious conviction."
Blaise Pascal (1623-1662), Pense'es, #894.
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| User: "Guardian Pegasus" |
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16 Apr 2005 09:11:38 PM |
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On Sat, 16 Apr 2005 12:00:33 GMT, Elroy Willis
<elroywillis@swbell.net> wrote:
Dang it, you beat me to it. I just posted the exact same thing.
Out of curiosity though, why are some names abbreviated to San
instead of using Santa?
Like Fred & Doug said, it's masculine and feminine. Santa in other
words are female saints.
Diego, Francisco / Clara, Barbara etc.
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| User: "Douglas Berry" |
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15 Apr 2005 02:50:58 PM |
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On Fri, 15 Apr 2005 05:29:42 +0200, Guardian Pegasus
<popeundercover@holysee.va> drained his beer, leaned back in the
alt.atheism beanbag and drunkenly proclaimed the following
On Thu, 14 Apr 2005 18:31:21 -0500, socalgy <socalgy@remo.biz> wrote:
OAKLEY, Calif. (AP) -- An Oakley man has asked the federal government
to rename Mount Diablo, saying the current name, which means devil in
Spanish, is offensive to his religious sensibilities.
Fine.
In return I want all the spanish named places in California which
conflict with my beliefs to be altered, starting with everything named
"San" or "Santa".
Cool. We can change San Francisco back to Yerba Buena.
Don't forget Los Angeles!
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Douglas E. Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
"Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as
when they do it from religious conviction."
Blaise Pascal (1623-1662), Pense'es, #894.
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| User: "Elroy Willis" |
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16 Apr 2005 12:06:42 PM |
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Douglas Berry <penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote in alt.atheism
Guardian Pegasus drunkenly proclaimed the following:
socalgy <socalgy@remo.biz> wrote:
OAKLEY, Calif. (AP) -- An Oakley man has asked the federal government
to rename Mount Diablo, saying the current name, which means devil in
Spanish, is offensive to his religious sensibilities.
Fine.
In return I want all the spanish named places in California which
conflict with my beliefs to be altered, starting with everything named
"San" or "Santa".
Cool. We can change San Francisco back to Yerba Buena.
Don't forget Los Angeles!
I will start the ball rolling here in Texas. My first mission is to
get San Angelo renamed to something else.
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www.elroysemporium.com
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| User: "Peacenik" |
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17 Apr 2005 03:59:35 AM |
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"Elroy Willis" <elroywillis@swbell.net> wrote in message
news:1kv161ddi9vnr4f0rn9csu9tnj5v7mtkmb@4ax.com...
Douglas Berry <penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote in alt.atheism
Guardian Pegasus drunkenly proclaimed the following:
socalgy <socalgy@remo.biz> wrote:
OAKLEY, Calif. (AP) -- An Oakley man has asked the federal government
to rename Mount Diablo, saying the current name, which means devil in
Spanish, is offensive to his religious sensibilities.
Fine.
In return I want all the spanish named places in California which
conflict with my beliefs to be altered, starting with everything named
"San" or "Santa".
Cool. We can change San Francisco back to Yerba Buena.
Don't forget Los Angeles!
I will start the ball rolling here in Texas. My first mission is to
get San Angelo renamed to something else.
Maybe change Corpus Christi to Corpus Darwini! :)
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| User: "R" |
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15 Apr 2005 11:45:06 AM |
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socalgy <socalgy@remo.biz> wrote in news:u8vt5118il6p1n9bif2uaf0dk577g84ufc@
4ax.com:
''Words have power, and when you start mentioning words that come from
the dark side, evil thrives,'' Mijares told the Contra Costa Times.
''When I take boys camping on the mountain, I don't even like to say
its name.
Words have power? Hw about this: Grow up.
That guy sounds like Ned Flanders.
rj
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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15 Apr 2005 12:23:48 PM |
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"R" <spmaway@ylhoo.com> wrote in message
news:Xns963944AEBB9CCmc2500183316chgoill@199.45.49.11...
socalgy <socalgy@remo.biz> wrote in
news:u8vt5118il6p1n9bif2uaf0dk577g84ufc@
4ax.com:
''Words have power, and when you start mentioning words that come from
the dark side, evil thrives,'' Mijares told the Contra Costa Times.
''When I take boys camping on the mountain, I don't even like to say
its name.
Words have power? Hw about this: Grow up.
That guy sounds like Ned Flanders.
I don't think Ned Flanders would be this unreasonable.
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| User: "" |
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16 Apr 2005 03:38:01 PM |
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There's a mountain near where I live in Ireland called the 'Devil's
Bit'. Near its summit it has no less than a giant concrete cross
painted white and visible for miles, a statue of Mary, and an alter on
which mass is said once a year. Despite all this religiousity about the
mountain, no-one has ever to my knowedge recommended renaming it.
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| User: "stoney" |
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| Title: Re: Religious Man Wants to Rename Mt. Diablo |
17 Apr 2005 04:47:38 AM |
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On Fri, 15 Apr 2005 11:45:06 GMT, R <spmaway@ylhoo.com> wrote:
socalgy <socalgy@remo.biz> wrote in news:u8vt5118il6p1n9bif2uaf0dk577g84ufc@
4ax.com:
''Words have power, and when you start mentioning words that come from
the dark side, evil thrives,'' Mijares told the Contra Costa Times.
''When I take boys camping on the mountain, I don't even like to say
its name.
Words have power? Hw about this: Grow up.
That guy sounds like Ned Flanders.
Ned is much more intelligent.
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
Religion is the original war crime.
-Michelle Malkin (Feb 26, 2005)
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15 Apr 2005 01:27:28 PM |
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socalgy wrote:
Tom DeLay will introduce emergency legislation to wipe this name off
all U.S. maps!
April 14, 2005
Religious Man Wants to Rename Mt. Diablo
By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
OAKLEY, Calif. (AP) -- An Oakley man has asked the federal government
to rename Mount Diablo, saying the current name, which means devil in
Spanish, is offensive to his religious sensibilities.
And if Congress does not, it will be hailed as "proof" that Christians are
persecuted throughout these United States.
--
Gregory Gadow
techbear@serv.net
http://www.serv.net/~techbear
"[T]hose who deny freedom to others deserve it not for themselves;
and, under the rule of a just God, cannot long retain it."
-- Pres. George W. Bush, Hypocrite, his inauguration speech, 2005
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