Religions > Atheism > ReNew America Kook: Michael Newdow: Devil's advocate triumphant
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"Jason Spaceman" |
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16 Sep 2005 12:37:02 AM |
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ReNew America Kook: Michael Newdow: Devil's advocate triumphant |
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Michael Gaynor
September 15, 2005
Michael Newdow claims to be an atheist.
His mission on earth appears to be to drive references to God, if not
God, out of public life.
He wants "under God" out of "The Pledge of Allegiance" and "In God We
trust" off America's currency.
Having bought a ticket, he thought he was entitled to have prayer barred
from President Bush's second inauguration.
But he failed that time. Even United States Supreme Court Justice John
Paul Stevens, who wanted to remove a small Ten Commandments monument
from the Texas capitol grounds as well as to bar Ten Commandments
display in courthouse (except, perhaps, the United States Supreme Court
building itself), declined Newdow's invitation to "protect him" from
prayer at the inauguration.
And Newdow failed in the United States Supreme Court, for lack of
standing, not on the merits, the first time he tried to remove "under
God" from "The Pledge of Allegiance."
Like Satan, however, he is persistent.
I don't know whether Newdow is an atheist, or a Satanist posing as an
atheist.
But I do know that God can bring good out of evil.
And I pray that God is giving Americans a chance to revisit and reverse
the United States Supreme Court's decision to leave the constitutional
path created by the Founders and Framers and instead to embrace secular
extremism by mandating governmental neutrality between religion and
irreligion and barring governmental support for religion generally.
America was founded by Christians, not atheists.
And James Madison, whom the secular extremists regularly invoke, defined
religion as "the duty owed the Creater" instead of defining atheism as
religion, as the United States Court of Appeals for the Seventh Circuit
recently did.
Newdow is right that the presence of the words "under God" in "The
Pledge of Allegiance" is not neutrality between religion and irreligion.
Nor is the status of Thanksgiving and Christmas as federal holidays.
But the Founders and Framers did not expect, much less require, such
neutrality. They humbly recognized God. And they did so in America's
foiunding document, the Declaration of Independence, and both of
America's governing documents, the Articles of Confederation and the
Constitution.
The claim that the Constitution is a godless document is a contemptible,
and easily disprovable, secular extremist lie.
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Read it at http://www.renewamerica.us/columns/gaynor/050915
J. Spaceman
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| User: "DanielSan" |
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| Title: Re: ReNew America Kook: Michael Newdow: Devil's advocate triumphant |
16 Sep 2005 02:00:29 AM |
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Jason Spaceman wrote:
From the article:
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Michael Gaynor
September 15, 2005
Michael Newdow claims to be an atheist.
His mission on earth appears to be to drive references to God, if not
God, out of public life.
....nah, just off government property, in accordance with the 1st Amendment.
He wants "under God" out of "The Pledge of Allegiance" and "In God We
trust" off America's currency.
Sounds good, but that's a FAR STRETCH from "driving references to God,
if not God, out of public life."
Having bought a ticket, he thought he was entitled to have prayer barred
from President Bush's second inauguration.
....isn't that a governmental ceremony?
But he failed that time. Even United States Supreme Court Justice John
Paul Stevens, who wanted to remove a small Ten Commandments monument
from the Texas capitol grounds as well as to bar Ten Commandments
display in courthouse (except, perhaps, the United States Supreme Court
building itself), declined Newdow's invitation to "protect him" from
prayer at the inauguration.
Correct, because there is no "protection" involved, moron. It is simply
following the 1st Amendment where you cannot have the government
establish a religion. Putting God into the Pledge done at schools
(government property), putting God on US Currency (government property),
and in the inaugruation (government property) is all unconstitutional.
And Newdow failed in the United States Supreme Court, for lack of
standing, not on the merits, the first time he tried to remove "under
God" from "The Pledge of Allegiance."
Right. First time, he was refused simply on a technicality.
Like Satan, however, he is persistent.
If the poster (and, vicariously, you) knew anything about atheism, you
(and he) would know that Satan is simply a Christian character and, by
virtue of that, we don't believe in Satan.
It is simply a Lord Voldemort character.
I don't know whether Newdow is an atheist, or a Satanist posing as an
atheist.
According to the Bible story, Satan poses as a Christian, spouting
Biblical verses. I know of no part of the Bible where Satan poses as an
atheist.
But I do know that God can bring good out of evil.
And you know that this God thing exists...how?
And I pray that God is giving Americans a chance to revisit and reverse
the United States Supreme Court's decision to leave the constitutional
path created by the Founders and Framers and instead to embrace secular
extremism by mandating governmental neutrality between religion and
irreligion and barring governmental support for religion generally.
America was founded by Christians, not atheists.
And these Christian (deist?) founders founded the country on SECULAR
values. I dare you to find any reference to God in our legally-founding
document, the US Constitution.
And James Madison, whom the secular extremists regularly invoke, defined
religion as "the duty owed the Creater" instead of defining atheism as
religion, as the United States Court of Appeals for the Seventh Circuit
recently did.
And the Appeals Court was wrong. Atheism is not a religion.
Newdow is right that the presence of the words "under God" in "The
Pledge of Allegiance" is not neutrality between religion and irreligion.
Nor is the status of Thanksgiving and Christmas as federal holidays.
Thanksgiving has nothing to do with religion, idiot. Thanksgiving is a
celebration of the harvest, and thankful for the bounty of said harvest.
Christmas, nowadays, has lost its original pagan roots and has turned
totally secular.
But the Founders and Framers did not expect, much less require, such
neutrality. They humbly recognized God. And they did so in America's
foiunding document, the Declaration of Independence,
....foiunding? By the way, the DoI is not a founding document. It
simply is a document expressing seperation from the mother country.
and both of
America's governing documents, the Articles of Confederation and the
Constitution.
And where is "recognizing God" in the Constitution?
The claim that the Constitution is a godless document is a contemptible,
and easily disprovable, secular extremist lie.
Then, please, disprove it.
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