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"Fredric L. Rice" |
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06 Nov 2005 06:34:19 PM |
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Republicans are Conservative? You think? |
"Throughout the first 224 years (1776-2000) of our nation's history,
42 U.S. presidents borrowed a combined $1.01 trillion from foreign
governments and financial institutions according to the U.S.
Treasury Department. In the past four years alone (2001-2005),
the Bush Administration has borrowed a staggering $1.05 trillion."
http://www.dccc.org/stakeholder/archives/003836.html
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| User: "Nog" |
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07 Nov 2005 03:01:19 AM |
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"Fredric L. Rice" <FRice@SkepticTank.ORG> wrote in message
news:11msj59os1e8faf@corp.supernews.com...
"Throughout the first 224 years (1776-2000) of our nation's history,
42 U.S. presidents borrowed a combined $1.01 trillion from foreign
governments and financial institutions according to the U.S.
Treasury Department. In the past four years alone (2001-2005),
the Bush Administration has borrowed a staggering $1.05 trillion."
Who let them do that?
http://www.dccc.org/stakeholder/archives/003836.html
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http://www.thedarkwind.org/
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| User: "Fredric L. Rice" |
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07 Nov 2005 05:11:55 AM |
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"Nog" <qwtxv49o@verizon.net> wrote:
"Fredric L. Rice" <FRice@SkepticTank.ORG> wrote in message
news:11msj59os1e8faf@corp.supernews.com...
"Throughout the first 224 years (1776-2000) of our nation's history,
42 U.S. presidents borrowed a combined $1.01 trillion from foreign
governments and financial institutions according to the U.S.
Treasury Department. In the past four years alone (2001-2005),
the Bush Administration has borrowed a staggering $1.05 trillion."
Who let them do that?
The American Sheeple.
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| User: "wbarwell" |
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08 Nov 2005 06:11:01 PM |
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Fredric L. Rice wrote:
"Throughout the first 224 years (1776-2000) of our nation's history,
42 U.S. presidents borrowed a combined $1.01 trillion from foreign
governments and financial institutions according to the U.S.
Treasury Department. In the past four years alone (2001-2005),
the Bush Administration has borrowed a staggering $1.05 trillion."
http://www.dccc.org/stakeholder/archives/003836.html
For those who want the numbers raw;
http://www.publicdebt.treas.gov/opd/opdhisto4.htm
At the end of Jimmy Carter's adminstration, we had a debt
of $1,028 billions of dollars.
Today it is $8,031,589,402,361.42.
http://www.publicdebt.treas.gov/opd/opdpdodt.htm
Most of that debt came from Reagan, Bush I and Bush II.
We pay $352,350,252,507.90 million a year now just on interest
on the Reagan, Bush I, Bush II debts.
http://www.publicdebt.treas.gov/opd/opdpdodt.htm
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Historical tables of national debt
since 1950 (Nominal Dollars)
Plus tables of debt corrected for inflation
(Totals)
Source of tables and statistics
http://www.publicdebt.treas.gov/opd/opdhisto4.htm
(* = Rounded to millions)
President
Date Amount
Currently:
11/07/2005 $8,031,589,402,361.42
http://www.publicdebt.treas.gov/opd/opdpdodt.htm
Bush
09/30/2005 $7,932,709,661,723.50
09/30/2004 7,379,052,696,330.32
09/30/2003 6,783,231,062,743.62
09/30/2002 6,228,235,965,597.16
$7.933 Trillions - 5.807 Billions
= $2.126 Trillion over 4 years
$531.5 Billions /year average.
136% increase over 4 years.
34% /year averge
Clinton
09/30/2001 5,807,463,412,200.06
09/30/2000 5,674,178,209,886.86
09/30/1999 5,656,270,901,615.43
09/30/1998 5,526,193,008,897.62
09/30/1997 5,413,146,011,397.34
09/30/1996 5,224,810,939,135.73
09/29/1995 4,973,982,900,709.39
09/30/1994 4,692,749,910,013.32
$5.807 Trillions - 4.411 Trillions
= $1.396 Trillion over 8 years
$174.5 Billions /year average increase
131.6 % increase over 8 years
16.5% /year average
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Bush
09/30/1993 4,411,488,883,139.38
09/30/1992 4,064,620,655,521.66
09/30/1991 3,665,303,351,697.03
09/28/1990 3,233,313,451,777.25
4.411 Trillions - 2.875 Trillions
= 1.534 Trillion over 4 years
$383.5 Billions /year average increase
154.3% increase over 4 years
38.5% /year average
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Reagan
09/29/1989 2,857,430,960,187.32
09/30/1988 2,602,337,712,041.16
09/30/1987 2,350,276,890,953.00
09/30/1986 2,125,302,616,658.42
12/31/1985 1,945,941,616,459.88
12/31/1984 1,662,966,000,000.00 *
12/31/1983 1,410,702,000,000.00 *
12/31/1982 1,197,073,000,000.00 *
$2.857 Trillions - 1.028 Trillions
= $1.829 Trillions over 8 years
$228.6 Billions year average.
227.9% increase over 8 years
34.7% /year average
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Carter
12/31/1981 1,028,729,000,000.00 *
12/31/1980 930,210,000,000.00 *
12/31/1979 845,116,000,000.00 *
12/29/1978 789,207,000,000.00 *
$1.028 Trillions - 718 Billions
= $310 Billions over 4 years
$77.5 Billions /year average
143% over 4 years
35.7% /year average
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Nixon-Ford
12/30/1977 718,943,000,000.00 *
12/31/1976 653,544,000,000.00 *
12/31/1975 576,649,000,000.00 *
12/31/1974 492,665,000,000.00 *
12/31/1973 469,898,039,554.70
12/29/1972 449,298,066,119.00
12/31/1971 424,130,961,959.95
12/31/1970 389,158,403,690.26
$718.9 Billions - 368.2 Billions
= 350.7 Billions over 8 years
$43.8 Billions /year average
195.2% over 8 years
24.4% /year average
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Johnson-Kennedy
12/31/1969 368,225,581,254.41
12/31/1968 358,028,625,002.91
12/29/1967 344,663,009,745.18
12/30/1966 329,319,249,366.68
12/31/1965 320,904,110,042.04
12/31/1964 317,940,472,718.38
12/31/1963 309,346,845,059.17
12/31/1962 303,470,080,489.27
$369.2 Billions - 296.2 Billions
= $73 billions over 8 years
$9.13 Billions /year average
124.3% over 8 years
15.5% /year average
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Eisenhower
12/29/1961 296,168,761,214.92
12/30/1960 290,216,815,241.68
12/31/1959 290,797,771,717.63
12/31/1958 282,922,423,583.87
12/31/1957 274,897,784,290.72
12/31/1956 276,627,527,996.11
12/30/1955 280,768,553,188.96
12/31/1954 278,749,814,391.33
$296.2 billions - 275.2 billions
= $21 Billions over 8 years
$2.6 Billions /year average
107.6% over 8 years
13.4% /year average
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Truman
12/31/1953 275,168,120,129.39
06/30/1953 266,071,061,638.57
06/30/1952 259,105,178,785.43
06/29/1951 255,221,976,814.93
$275.2 Billions - 757.4 Billions
= $17.8 Billions over 4 years
$4.45 Billions /year average
106.9 % over 4 years
13.3% /year average
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06/30/1950 257,357,352,351.04
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http://www.publicdebt.treas.gov/opd/opdhisto4.htm
U.S. Department of the Treasury,
Bureau of the Public Debt
Last Updated October 13, 2005
Total debt increases
In billions of dollars
Yearly Average
Bush $2,162 B $531.5 Billons
Clinton 1,396 174.5
Bush 1,534 383.5
Reagan 1,829 228.6
Carter 310 77.5
Nixon/Ford 350 43.8
Kennedy/Johnson 73 9.13
Eisenhower 21 2.6
Truman (4 years 17.8 B 4.45 Billions
only)
In 2005 Dollars Calculated using
last budget year.
In billions of dollars
Bush $2,165 $531.5 billions
Clinton 1,513.98 198.25
Bush 2,016.92 504.23
Reagan 2,850.92 356.33
Carter 693.65 173.41
Nixon/Ford 1.135.74 142.13
Kennedy/Johnson 387.63 48.48
Eisenhower 130.98 16.22
Truman (4 years 123.89 30.97 Billions
only)
Inflation calculator used:
http://www.westegg.com/inflation/infl.cgi
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| User: "Desertphile" |
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| Title: Re: Republicans are Conservative? You think? |
07 Nov 2005 06:57:06 PM |
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No no wild stretch of the imagination can Party Members be considered
"conservatives."
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| User: "Syd M." |
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08 Nov 2005 02:14:33 PM |
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Desertphile
No no wild stretch of the imagination can Party Members be considered
"conservatives
Not the thugs currently in power, no.
PDW
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| User: "duke" |
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08 Nov 2005 11:33:11 AM |
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On Sun, 06 Nov 2005 18:34:19 GMT, (Fredric L. Rice) wrote:
"Throughout the first 224 years (1776-2000) of our nation's history,
42 U.S. presidents borrowed a combined $1.01 trillion from foreign
governments and financial institutions according to the U.S.
Treasury Department. In the past four years alone (2001-2005),
the Bush Administration has borrowed a staggering $1.05 trillion."
The war on terror left behind by 'rat willie is expensive.
Think inflation, elmerfudd.
duke
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| User: "Fredric L. Rice" |
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09 Nov 2005 03:34:58 AM |
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duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote:
On Sun, 06 Nov 2005 18:34:19 GMT, (Fredric L. Rice) wrote:
"Throughout the first 224 years (1776-2000) of our nation's history,
42 U.S. presidents borrowed a combined $1.01 trillion from foreign
governments and financial institutions according to the U.S.
Treasury Department. In the past four years alone (2001-2005),
the Bush Administration has borrowed a staggering $1.05 trillion."
The war on terror left behind by 'rat willie is expensive.
Think inflation, elmerfudd.
What the ***** is this insane moron ranting about?
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| User: "wbarwell" |
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09 Nov 2005 04:46:38 PM |
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Fredric L. Rice wrote:
duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote:
On Sun, 06 Nov 2005 18:34:19 GMT, (Fredric L.
Rice) wrote:
"Throughout the first 224 years (1776-2000) of our nation's
history, 42 U.S. presidents borrowed a combined $1.01 trillion from
foreign governments and financial institutions according to the
U.S.
Treasury Department. In the past four years alone (2001-2005),
the Bush Administration has borrowed a staggering $1.05 trillion."
The war on terror left behind by 'rat willie is expensive.
Think inflation, elmerfudd.
What the ***** is this insane moron ranting about?
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Puke is totally ignorant and enjoys showing
his ignorance off.
Looking at deficits correcting for inflation,
Clinton's deficits per year were half of what
they were under Reagan, or Bush I. Bush II's
deficits average $535, Clintons, $174.
3 times what Clinton's were.
Puke the clown couldn't figure out how to
check these facts with a gun to his head
despite numerous government websites and
would not bother if he could.
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| User: "wbarwell" |
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08 Nov 2005 06:18:51 PM |
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duke wrote:
On Sun, 06 Nov 2005 18:34:19 GMT, (Fredric L.
Rice) wrote:
"Throughout the first 224 years (1776-2000) of our nation's history,
42 U.S. presidents borrowed a combined $1.01 trillion from foreign
governments and financial institutions according to the U.S.
Treasury Department. In the past four years alone (2001-2005),
the Bush Administration has borrowed a staggering $1.05 trillion."
The war on terror left behind by 'rat willie is expensive.
Think inflation, elmerfudd.
Moron.
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In 2005 Dollars Calculated using
last budget year.
In billions of dollars
Bush $2,165 $531.5 billions
Clinton 1,513.98 198.25
Bush 2,016.92 504.23
Reagan 2,850.92 356.33
Carter 693.65 173.41
Nixon/Ford 1.135.74 142.13
Kennedy/Johnson 387.63 48.48
Eisenhower 130.98 16.22
Truman (4 years 123.89 30.97 Billions
only)
Inflation calculator used:
http://www.westegg.com/inflation/infl.cgi
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If you look at the numbers and correct for inflation,
Bush is still the champion wastrel.
Not that you would know anything about inflation.
look at the numbers corrected for inflation above.
Reagan, Bush I and Bush II are champs.
We are $8 trillion in the hole today in 2005 dollars
and Bush II Reagan and Bush I gave us $6 trillion of it.
Historical tables of national debt
since 1950 (Nominal Dollars)
Plus tables of debt corrected for inflation
(Totals)
Source of tables and statistics
http://www.publicdebt.treas.gov/opd/opdhisto4.htm
(* = Rounded to millions)
President
Date Amount
Bush
09/30/2005 $7,932,709,661,723.50
09/30/2004 7,379,052,696,330.32
09/30/2003 6,783,231,062,743.62
09/30/2002 6,228,235,965,597.16
$7.933 Trillions - 5.807 Billions
= $2.126 Trillion over 4 years
$531.5 Billions /year average.
136% increase over 4 years.
34% /year averge
Clinton
09/30/2001 5,807,463,412,200.06
09/30/2000 5,674,178,209,886.86
09/30/1999 5,656,270,901,615.43
09/30/1998 5,526,193,008,897.62
09/30/1997 5,413,146,011,397.34
09/30/1996 5,224,810,939,135.73
09/29/1995 4,973,982,900,709.39
09/30/1994 4,692,749,910,013.32
$5.807 Trillions - 4.411 Trillions
= $1.396 Trillion over 8 years
$174.5 Billions /year average increase
131.6 % increase over 8 years
16.5% /year average
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Bush
09/30/1993 4,411,488,883,139.38
09/30/1992 4,064,620,655,521.66
09/30/1991 3,665,303,351,697.03
09/28/1990 3,233,313,451,777.25
4.411 Trillions - 2.875 Trillions
= 1.534 Trillion over 4 years
$383.5 Billions /year average increase
154.3% increase over 4 years
38.5% /year average
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Reagan
09/29/1989 2,857,430,960,187.32
09/30/1988 2,602,337,712,041.16
09/30/1987 2,350,276,890,953.00
09/30/1986 2,125,302,616,658.42
12/31/1985 1,945,941,616,459.88
12/31/1984 1,662,966,000,000.00 *
12/31/1983 1,410,702,000,000.00 *
12/31/1982 1,197,073,000,000.00 *
$2.857 Trillions - 1.028 Trillions
= $1.829 Trillions over 8 years
$228.6 Billions year average.
227.9% increase over 8 years
34.7% /year average
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Carter
12/31/1981 1,028,729,000,000.00 *
12/31/1980 930,210,000,000.00 *
12/31/1979 845,116,000,000.00 *
12/29/1978 789,207,000,000.00 *
$1.028 Trillions - 718 Billions
= $310 Billions over 4 years
$77.5 Billions /year average
143% over 4 years
35.7% /year average
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Nixon-Ford
12/30/1977 718,943,000,000.00 *
12/31/1976 653,544,000,000.00 *
12/31/1975 576,649,000,000.00 *
12/31/1974 492,665,000,000.00 *
12/31/1973 469,898,039,554.70
12/29/1972 449,298,066,119.00
12/31/1971 424,130,961,959.95
12/31/1970 389,158,403,690.26
$718.9 Billions - 368.2 Billions
= 350.7 Billions over 8 years
$43.8 Billions /year average
195.2% over 8 years
24.4% /year average
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Johnson-Kennedy
12/31/1969 368,225,581,254.41
12/31/1968 358,028,625,002.91
12/29/1967 344,663,009,745.18
12/30/1966 329,319,249,366.68
12/31/1965 320,904,110,042.04
12/31/1964 317,940,472,718.38
12/31/1963 309,346,845,059.17
12/31/1962 303,470,080,489.27
$369.2 Billions - 296.2 Billions
= $73 billions over 8 years
$9.13 Billions /year average
124.3% over 8 years
15.5% /year average
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Eisenhower
12/29/1961 296,168,761,214.92
12/30/1960 290,216,815,241.68
12/31/1959 290,797,771,717.63
12/31/1958 282,922,423,583.87
12/31/1957 274,897,784,290.72
12/31/1956 276,627,527,996.11
12/30/1955 280,768,553,188.96
12/31/1954 278,749,814,391.33
$296.2 billions - 275.2 billions
= $21 Billions over 8 years
$2.6 Billions /year average
107.6% over 8 years
13.4% /year average
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Truman
12/31/1953 275,168,120,129.39
06/30/1953 266,071,061,638.57
06/30/1952 259,105,178,785.43
06/29/1951 255,221,976,814.93
$275.2 Billions - 757.4 Billions
= $17.8 Billions over 4 years
$4.45 Billions /year average
106.9 % over 4 years
13.3% /year average
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06/30/1950 257,357,352,351.04
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http://www.publicdebt.treas.gov/opd/opdhisto4.htm
U.S. Department of the Treasury,
Bureau of the Public Debt
Last Updated October 13, 2005
Total debt increases
In billions of dollars
Total Average/year
Bush $2,162 B $531.5 Billons
Clinton 1,396 174.5
Bush 1,534 383.5
Reagan 1,829 228.6
Carter 310 77.5
Nixon/Ford 350 43.8
Kennedy/Johnson 73 9.13
Eisenhower 21 2.6
Truman (4 years 17.8 B 4.45 Billions
only)
In 2005 Dollars Calculated using
last budget year.
In billions of dollars
Bush $2,165 $531.5 billions
Clinton 1,513.98 198.25
Bush 2,016.92 504.23
Reagan 2,850.92 356.33
Carter 693.65 173.41
Nixon/Ford 1.135.74 142.13
Kennedy/Johnson 387.63 48.48
Eisenhower 130.98 16.22
Truman (4 years 123.89 30.97 Billions
only)
Inflation calculator used:
http://www.westegg.com/inflation/infl.cgi
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| User: "Paul Duca" |
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| Title: Re: Republicans are Conservative? You think? |
14 Nov 2005 07:39:09 AM |
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in article 6631n1d6tkbftndmocorakeguj7c73d9ff@4ax.com, duke at
duckgumbo32@cox.net wrote on 11/8/05 6:33 AM:
On Sun, 06 Nov 2005 18:34:19 GMT, (Fredric L. Rice)
wrote:
"Throughout the first 224 years (1776-2000) of our nation's history,
42 U.S. presidents borrowed a combined $1.01 trillion from foreign
governments and financial institutions according to the U.S.
Treasury Department. In the past four years alone (2001-2005),
the Bush Administration has borrowed a staggering $1.05 trillion."
The war on terror left behind by 'rat willie is expensive.
They may just have to stop paying Duke his monthly check...
Paul
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