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Republicans Try to Blame Environmentalists For Floods |
http://www.clarionledger.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050916/NEWS0110/509160369/1260
They'll never learn, and that is why they are failing.
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| Title: Re: Republicans Try to Blame Environmentalists For Floods |
20 Sep 2005 12:21:51 PM |
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On Fri, 16 Sep 2005 20:51:28 -0400, "Michelle Malkin"
<hypatiab7@comcast.net> wrote:
http://www.clarionledger.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050916/NEWS0110/509160369/1260
They'll never learn, and that is why they are failing.
September 16, 2005
E-mail suggests government seeking to blame groups
By Jerry Mitchell
jmitchell@clarionledger.com
Federal officials appear to be seeking proof to blame the flood of New
Orleans on environmental groups, documents show.
The Clarion-Ledger has obtained a copy of an internal e-mail the U.S.
Department of Justice sent out this week to various U.S. attorneys'
offices: "Has your district defended any cases on behalf of the (U.S.)
Army Corps of Engineers against claims brought by environmental groups
seeking to block or otherwise impede the Corps work on the levees
protecting New Orleans? If so, please describe the case and the
outcome of the litigation."
Cynthia Magnuson, a spokeswoman for the Justice Department, said
Thursday she couldn't comment "because it's an internal e-mail."
Shown a copy of the e-mail, David Bookbinder, senior attorney for
Sierra Club, remarked, "Why are they (Bush administration officials)
trying to smear us like this?"
The Sierra Club and other environmental groups had nothing to do with
the flooding that resulted from Hurricane Katrina that killed
hundreds, he said. "It's unfortunate that the Bush administration is
trying to shift the blame to environmental groups. It doesn't surprise
me at all."
Federal officials say the e-mail was prompted by a congressional
inquiry but wouldn't comment further.
Whoever is behind the e-mail may have spotted the Sept. 8 issue of
National Review Online that chastised the Sierra Club and other
environmental groups for suing to halt the corps' 1996 plan to raise
and fortify 303 miles of Mississippi River levees in Louisiana,
Mississippi and Arkansas.
The corps settled the litigation in 1997, agreeing to hold off on some
work until an environmental impact could be completed. The National
Review article concluded: "Whether this delay directly affected the
levees that broke in New Orleans is difficult to ascertain."
The problem with that conclusion?
The levees that broke causing New Orleans to flood weren't Mississippi
River levees. They were levees that protected the city from Lake
Pontchartrain levees on the other side of the city.
When Katrina struck, the hurricane pushed tons of water from the Gulf
of Mexico into Lake Pontchartrain, which borders the city to the
north. Corps officials say the water from the lake cleared the levees
by 3 feet. It was those floodwaters, they say, that caused the levees
to degrade until they ruptured, causing 80 percent of New Orleans to
flood.
Bookbinder said the purpose of the litigation by the Sierra Club and
others in 1996 was where the corps got the dirt for the project. "We
had no objections to levees," he said. "We said, 'Just don't dig film
materials out of the wetlands. Get the dirt from somewhere else.' "
If you listen to what some conservatives say about environmentalists,
he said, "We're responsible for most of the world's ills."
In 1977, the corps wanted to build a 25-mile-long barrier and gate
system to protect New Orleans on the east side. Both environmental
groups and fishermen opposed the project, saying it would choke off
water into Lake Pontchartrain.
After litigation, corps officials abandoned the idea, deciding instead
to build higher levees. "They came up with a cheaper alternative,"
Bookbinder said. "We didn't object to raising the levees."
John Hall, a spokesman for the corps in New Orleans, said the barrier
the corps was proposing in the 1970s would only stand up to a weak
Category 3 hurricane, not a Category 4 hurricane like Katrina. "How
much that would have prevented anything, I'm not sure," he said.
Since 1999, corps officials have studied the concept of building huge
floodgates to prevent flooding in New Orleans from a Category 4 or 5
hurricane.
Although the Federal Emergency Management Agency in 2001 listed a
hurricane striking New Orleans as one of the top three catastrophic
events the nation could face (the others being a terrorist attack on
New York City and an earthquake in San Francisco), funding for corps
projects aimed at curbing flooding in southeast Louisiana lagged.
U.S. Sen. Mary Landrieu, D-La., has said the White House cut $400
million from corps' requests for flood control money in the area.
In fiscal 2006, the corps had hoped to receive up to $10 million in
funding for a six-year feasibility study on such floodgates. According
to a recent estimate, the project would take 10 years to build and
cost $2.5 billion.
"Our understanding is the locals would like to go to that," Hall said.
"If I were local, I'd want it."
©2005 Clarionledger
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Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
"As democracy is perfected, the office of president
represents, more and more closely, the inner soul
of the people. On some great and glorious day the
plain folks of the land will reach their heart's
desire at last and the White House will be adorned
by a downright moron." --- H.L. Mencken (1880 - 1956)
Religion is the original war crime.
-Michelle Malkin (Feb 26, 2005)
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| Title: Re: Republicans Try to Blame Environmentalists For Floods |
17 Sep 2005 07:54:03 AM |
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On Fri, 16 Sep 2005 20:51:28 -0400, "Michelle Malkin" <hypatiab7@comcast.net>
wrote:
http://www.clarionledger.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050916/NEWS0110/509160369/1260
They'll never learn, and that is why they are failing.
Those of us from Louisiana understand.
duke
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
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| User: "Yang, AthD h.c, Kicking AWOLs Cocaine Snorting Ass" |
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17 Sep 2005 08:05:14 AM |
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On Sat, 17 Sep 2005 07:54:03 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote:
On Fri, 16 Sep 2005 20:51:28 -0400, "Michelle Malkin" <hypatiab7@comcast.net>
wrote:
http://www.clarionledger.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050916/NEWS0110/509160369/1260
They'll never learn, and that is why they are failing.
Those of us from Louisiana understand.
Of course you do. How's Operation Stalk LSU Co-ed going fer ya?
-----
Yang
a.a. #28
AthD (h.c.) conferred by the regents of the LCL
a.a. pastor #-273.15, the most frigid church of Celcius nee Kelvin
EAC Econometric Forecast and Sorcery Division
Proudly plonked by Lani Girl and Crazyalec (aka aka Yang's little poltregeist *****)
The Bush 'balanced' budget: 1.6 trillion and worsening
The Bush 'economic' policy: 12.5 million FEWER jobs than Clinton and counting
The Bush Iraq lie: -1898 GIs, one friend's co-worker's son and mounting
Having Bush ***** up my country: Worthless
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17 Sep 2005 01:09:06 PM |
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On Sat, 17 Sep 2005 06:05:14 -0700, "Yang, AthD (h.c), Kicking AWOL's Cocaine
Snorting *****" <eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com> wrote:
They'll never learn, and that is why they are failing.
Those of us from Louisiana understand.
Of course you do.
Yep, all of us understand how the wetlands control the storm surge.
duke
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****
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| User: "Yang, AthD h.c, Kicking AWOLs Cocaine Snorting Ass" |
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18 Sep 2005 03:09:11 PM |
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On Sat, 17 Sep 2005 13:09:06 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote:
On Sat, 17 Sep 2005 06:05:14 -0700, "Yang, AthD (h.c), Kicking AWOL's Cocaine
Snorting *****" <eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com> wrote:
They'll never learn, and that is why they are failing.
Those of us from Louisiana understand.
Of course you do.
Yep, all of us understand how the wetlands control the storm surge.
Since when did you become an envrionmentalist?
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Yang
a.a. #28
AthD (h.c.) conferred by the regents of the LCL
a.a. pastor #-273.15, the most frigid church of Celcius nee Kelvin
EAC Econometric Forecast and Sorcery Division
Proudly plonked by Lani Girl and Crazyalec (aka aka Yang's little poltregeist *****)
The Bush 'balanced' budget: 1.6 trillion and worsening
The Bush 'economic' policy: 12.5 million FEWER jobs than Clinton and counting
The Bush Iraq lie: -1898 GIs, one friend's co-worker's son and mounting
Having Bush ***** up my country: Worthless
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| User: "duke" |
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18 Sep 2005 05:58:48 PM |
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On Sun, 18 Sep 2005 13:09:11 -0700, "Yang, AthD (h.c), Kicking AWOL's Cocaine
Snorting *****" <eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com> wrote:
They'll never learn, and that is why they are failing.
Those of us from Louisiana understand.
Of course you do.
Yep, all of us understand how the wetlands control the storm surge.
Since when did you become an envrionmentalist?
Yang, you're so busy inserting a different foot in your mouth every noonday that
you have no idea what I stand for.
duke
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****
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| User: "Yang, AthD h.c, Kicking AWOLs Cocaine Snorting Ass" |
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18 Sep 2005 10:45:51 PM |
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On Sun, 18 Sep 2005 17:58:48 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote:
On Sun, 18 Sep 2005 13:09:11 -0700, "Yang, AthD (h.c), Kicking AWOL's Cocaine
Snorting *****" <eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com> wrote:
They'll never learn, and that is why they are failing.
Those of us from Louisiana understand.
Of course you do.
Yep, all of us understand how the wetlands control the storm surge.
Since when did you become an envrionmentalist?
Yang, you're so busy inserting a different foot in your mouth every noonday that
you have no idea what I stand for.
You stand for 63-year-old biological failure.
How's Operation Stalk-a-LSU-Coed coming?
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Yang
a.a. #28
AthD (h.c.) conferred by the regents of the LCL
a.a. pastor #-273.15, the most frigid church of Celcius nee Kelvin
EAC Econometric Forecast and Sorcery Division
Proudly plonked by Lani Girl and Crazyalec (aka aka Yang's little poltregeist *****)
The Bush 'balanced' budget: 1.6 trillion and worsening
The Bush 'economic' policy: 12.5 million FEWER jobs than Clinton and counting
The Bush Iraq lie: -1899 GIs, one friend's co-worker's son and mounting
Having Bush ***** up my country: Worthless
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| User: "Matt Silberstein" |
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| Title: Re: Republicans Try to Blame Environmentalists For Floods |
17 Sep 2005 01:11:14 PM |
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On Sat, 17 Sep 2005 07:54:03 -0500, in alt.atheism , duke
<duckgumbo32@cox.net> in <9e4oi1hfs362cvrril8t252jce6pq9jbqe@4ax.com>
wrote:
On Fri, 16 Sep 2005 20:51:28 -0400, "Michelle Malkin" <hypatiab7@comcast.net>
wrote:
http://www.clarionledger.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050916/NEWS0110/509160369/1260
They'll never learn, and that is why they are failing.
Those of us from Louisiana understand.
Then explain to the rest of us why, for example, allowing wetland
destruction is good for New Orleans.
--
Matt Silberstein
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http://www.savedarfur.org/
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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| Title: Re: Republicans Try to Blame Environmentalists For Floods |
18 Sep 2005 09:26:41 AM |
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In <q0noi1hki6g5jlis2f3ssvjjr73f36tldo@4ax.com>, Matt Silberstein
<RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
On Sat, 17 Sep 2005 07:54:03 -0500, in alt.atheism , duke
<duckgumbo32@cox.net> in <9e4oi1hfs362cvrril8t252jce6pq9jbqe@4ax.com>
wrote:
On Fri, 16 Sep 2005 20:51:28 -0400, "Michelle Malkin"
<hypatiab7@comcast.net> wrote:
http://www.clarionledger.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050916/NEWS0110/509160369/1260
They'll never learn, and that is why they are failing.
Those of us from Louisiana understand.
Then explain to the rest of us why, for example, allowing wetland
destruction is good for New Orleans.
He thinks he'll get beach front property out of it?
--
Mark K. Bilbo
--------------------------------------------------
"We're angry, Mr. President, and we'll be angry long
after our beloved city and surrounding parishes have
been pumped dry. Our people deserved rescuing.
Many who could have been were not. That's to the
government's shame."
http://makeashorterlink.com/?F2D511CBB
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| User: "stoney" |
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20 Sep 2005 12:23:06 PM |
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On Sun, 18 Sep 2005 09:26:41 -0500, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote:
In <q0noi1hki6g5jlis2f3ssvjjr73f36tldo@4ax.com>, Matt Silberstein
<RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
On Sat, 17 Sep 2005 07:54:03 -0500, in alt.atheism , duke
<duckgumbo32@cox.net> in <9e4oi1hfs362cvrril8t252jce6pq9jbqe@4ax.com>
wrote:
On Fri, 16 Sep 2005 20:51:28 -0400, "Michelle Malkin"
<hypatiab7@comcast.net> wrote:
http://www.clarionledger.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050916/NEWS0110/509160369/1260
They'll never learn, and that is why they are failing.
Those of us from Louisiana understand.
Then explain to the rest of us why, for example, allowing wetland
destruction is good for New Orleans.
He thinks he'll get beach front property out of it?
Mark, its really quite cruel taunting the mindless by using the word
think with regard to them.
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
"As democracy is perfected, the office of president
represents, more and more closely, the inner soul
of the people. On some great and glorious day the
plain folks of the land will reach their heart's
desire at last and the White House will be adorned
by a downright moron." --- H.L. Mencken (1880 - 1956)
Religion is the original war crime.
-Michelle Malkin (Feb 26, 2005)
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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| Title: Re: Republicans Try to Blame Environmentalists For Floods |
20 Sep 2005 04:10:08 PM |
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In <pah0j1tkhjohrg79bgjb2beb6jjj7ashoh@4ax.com>, stoney <stoney@the.net>
wrote:
On Sun, 18 Sep 2005 09:26:41 -0500, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote:
In <q0noi1hki6g5jlis2f3ssvjjr73f36tldo@4ax.com>, Matt Silberstein
<RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
On Sat, 17 Sep 2005 07:54:03 -0500, in alt.atheism , duke
<duckgumbo32@cox.net> in <9e4oi1hfs362cvrril8t252jce6pq9jbqe@4ax.com>
wrote:
On Fri, 16 Sep 2005 20:51:28 -0400, "Michelle Malkin"
<hypatiab7@comcast.net> wrote:
http://www.clarionledger.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050916/NEWS0110/509160369/1260
They'll never learn, and that is why they are failing.
Those of us from Louisiana understand.
Then explain to the rest of us why, for example, allowing wetland
destruction is good for New Orleans.
He thinks he'll get beach front property out of it?
Mark, its really quite cruel taunting the mindless by using the word think
with regard to them.
There is that...
--
Mark K. Bilbo
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"We're angry, Mr. President, and we'll be angry long
after our beloved city and surrounding parishes have
been pumped dry. Our people deserved rescuing.
Many who could have been were not. That's to the
government's shame."
http://makeashorterlink.com/?F2D511CBB
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| User: "Doc Smartass" |
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| Title: Re: Republicans Try to Blame Environmentalists For Floods |
17 Sep 2005 06:41:14 PM |
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Matt Silberstein <RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote in
news:q0noi1hki6g5jlis2f3ssvjjr73f36tldo@4ax.com:
On Sat, 17 Sep 2005 07:54:03 -0500, in alt.atheism , duke
<duckgumbo32@cox.net> in <9e4oi1hfs362cvrril8t252jce6pq9jbqe@4ax.com>
wrote:
On Fri, 16 Sep 2005 20:51:28 -0400, "Michelle Malkin"
<hypatiab7@comcast.net> wrote:
http://www.clarionledger.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050916/NEWS0
110/509160369/1260
They'll never learn, and that is why they are failing.
Those of us from Louisiana understand.
Then explain to the rest of us why, for example, allowing wetland
destruction is good for New Orleans.
Because it brings the Gulf of Mexico closer to Baton Rouge. Eventually,
come another big storm, duke will be huddling in his attic, praying for
gawd to save him.
He will have to settle for Mark Bilbo, paddling a bass boat.
It would serve him right.
--
Dr. Smartass -- BAAWA Knight of Heckling -- a.a. #1939
My president is incompetenter than your prime minister.
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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18 Sep 2005 09:29:03 AM |
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In <Xns96D4BE608AB74askifyouwantit@216.77.188.18>, Doc Smartass
<gekiskivviesdo@astroboyskivviesmail.com> wrote:
Matt Silberstein <RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote in
news:q0noi1hki6g5jlis2f3ssvjjr73f36tldo@4ax.com:
On Sat, 17 Sep 2005 07:54:03 -0500, in alt.atheism , duke
<duckgumbo32@cox.net> in <9e4oi1hfs362cvrril8t252jce6pq9jbqe@4ax.com>
wrote:
On Fri, 16 Sep 2005 20:51:28 -0400, "Michelle Malkin"
<hypatiab7@comcast.net> wrote:
http://www.clarionledger.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050916/NEWS0
110/509160369/1260
They'll never learn, and that is why they are failing.
Those of us from Louisiana understand.
Then explain to the rest of us why, for example, allowing wetland
destruction is good for New Orleans.
Because it brings the Gulf of Mexico closer to Baton Rouge. Eventually,
come another big storm, duke will be huddling in his attic, praying for
gawd to save him.
He will have to settle for Mark Bilbo, paddling a bass boat.
It would serve him right.
<snork>
By the time it got *that bad, I would have long been back in Texas. So
he'll just have to keep praying.
Hey, he's a rugged, individualist, Republican type. He can save hisownself!
--
Mark K. Bilbo
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"We're angry, Mr. President, and we'll be angry long
after our beloved city and surrounding parishes have
been pumped dry. Our people deserved rescuing.
Many who could have been were not. That's to the
government's shame."
http://makeashorterlink.com/?F2D511CBB
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| User: "Doc Smartass" |
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20 Sep 2005 10:25:58 PM |
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"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in
news:D4ednTPXMMAt5LDeRVn-tw@megapath.net:
In <Xns96D4BE608AB74askifyouwantit@216.77.188.18>, Doc Smartass
<gekiskivviesdo@astroboyskivviesmail.com> wrote:
Matt Silberstein <RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote
in news:q0noi1hki6g5jlis2f3ssvjjr73f36tldo@4ax.com:
On Sat, 17 Sep 2005 07:54:03 -0500, in alt.atheism , duke
<duckgumbo32@cox.net> in
<9e4oi1hfs362cvrril8t252jce6pq9jbqe@4ax.com> wrote:
On Fri, 16 Sep 2005 20:51:28 -0400, "Michelle Malkin"
<hypatiab7@comcast.net> wrote:
http://www.clarionledger.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050916/NEW
S0 110/509160369/1260
They'll never learn, and that is why they are failing.
Those of us from Louisiana understand.
Then explain to the rest of us why, for example, allowing wetland
destruction is good for New Orleans.
Because it brings the Gulf of Mexico closer to Baton Rouge.
Eventually, come another big storm, duke will be huddling in his
attic, praying for gawd to save him.
He will have to settle for Mark Bilbo, paddling a bass boat.
It would serve him right.
<snork>
By the time it got *that bad, I would have long been back in Texas. So
he'll just have to keep praying.
Hey, he's a rugged, individualist, Republican type. He can save
hisownself!
Earl: "Gawd why have you forsaken me?!"
Gawd: "You fucking *****. I sent a boat!"
--
Dr. Smartass -- BAAWA Knight of Heckling -- a.a. #1939
My president is incompetenter than your prime minister.
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18 Sep 2005 12:41:22 PM |
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On Sun, 18 Sep 2005 09:29:03 -0500, "Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster>
wrote:
By the time it got *that bad, I would have long been back in Texas. So
he'll just have to keep praying.
Yes, you would run looking for atheist organizations so you wouldn't be called
to help.
Hey, he's a rugged, individualist, Republican type. He can save hisownself!
Yep, no doubt about that. If you run far enough, you might even find yang, and
you can keep your hands warm is each other's pants pockets.
duke
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
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| Title: Re: Republicans Try to Blame Environmentalists For Floods |
18 Sep 2005 12:42:32 PM |
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On Sat, 17 Sep 2005 18:11:14 GMT, Matt Silberstein
<RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
On Sat, 17 Sep 2005 07:54:03 -0500, in alt.atheism , duke
<duckgumbo32@cox.net> in <9e4oi1hfs362cvrril8t252jce6pq9jbqe@4ax.com>
wrote:
On Fri, 16 Sep 2005 20:51:28 -0400, "Michelle Malkin" <hypatiab7@comcast.net>
wrote:
http://www.clarionledger.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050916/NEWS0110/509160369/1260
They'll never learn, and that is why they are failing.
Those of us from Louisiana understand.
Then explain to the rest of us why, for example, allowing wetland
destruction is good for New Orleans.
It knocks down the storm surge.
duke
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****
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| Title: Re: Republicans Try to Blame Environmentalists For Floods |
19 Sep 2005 11:42:05 AM |
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On Sun, 18 Sep 2005 12:42:32 -0500, in alt.atheism , duke
<duckgumbo32@cox.net> in <um9ri1dch5q83qjh722s7lbpp6dh1p2ls2@4ax.com>
wrote:
On Sat, 17 Sep 2005 18:11:14 GMT, Matt Silberstein
<RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
On Sat, 17 Sep 2005 07:54:03 -0500, in alt.atheism , duke
<duckgumbo32@cox.net> in <9e4oi1hfs362cvrril8t252jce6pq9jbqe@4ax.com>
wrote:
On Fri, 16 Sep 2005 20:51:28 -0400, "Michelle Malkin" <hypatiab7@comcast.net>
wrote:
http://www.clarionledger.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050916/NEWS0110/509160369/1260
They'll never learn, and that is why they are failing.
Those of us from Louisiana understand.
Then explain to the rest of us why, for example, allowing wetland
destruction is good for New Orleans.
It knocks down the storm surge.
Why, yes, wetlands do that. So, again, why was it wrong to try to
protect wetlands?
--
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| Title: Re: Republicans Try to Blame Environmentalists For Floods |
19 Sep 2005 11:47:53 AM |
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In article <feqti1pken4rqvqedkthc124g428o5rsc8@4ax.com> Matt Silberstein <RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> writes:
On Sun, 18 Sep 2005 12:42:32 -0500, in alt.atheism , duke
<duckgumbo32@cox.net> in <um9ri1dch5q83qjh722s7lbpp6dh1p2ls2@4ax.com>
wrote:
On Sat, 17 Sep 2005 18:11:14 GMT, Matt Silberstein
<RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
On Sat, 17 Sep 2005 07:54:03 -0500, in alt.atheism , duke
<duckgumbo32@cox.net> in <9e4oi1hfs362cvrril8t252jce6pq9jbqe@4ax.com>
wrote:
On Fri, 16 Sep 2005 20:51:28 -0400, "Michelle Malkin" <hypatiab7@comcast.net>
wrote:
http://www.clarionledger.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050916/NEWS0110/509160369/1260
They'll never learn, and that is why they are failing.
Those of us from Louisiana understand.
Then explain to the rest of us why, for example, allowing wetland
destruction is good for New Orleans.
It knocks down the storm surge.
Why, yes, wetlands do that. So, again, why was it wrong to try to
protect wetlands?
Ooooh, now THIS should prove interesting...
-- cary
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| User: "Kevin Anthoney" |
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| Title: Re: Republicans Try to Blame Environmentalists For Floods |
19 Sep 2005 12:11:41 PM |
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Cary Kittrell wrote:
In article <feqti1pken4rqvqedkthc124g428o5rsc8@4ax.com> Matt Silberstein
<RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> writes:
On Sun, 18 Sep 2005 12:42:32 -0500, in alt.atheism , duke
<duckgumbo32@cox.net> in <um9ri1dch5q83qjh722s7lbpp6dh1p2ls2@4ax.com>
wrote:
On Sat, 17 Sep 2005 18:11:14 GMT, Matt Silberstein
<RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
On Sat, 17 Sep 2005 07:54:03 -0500, in alt.atheism , duke
<duckgumbo32@cox.net> in <9e4oi1hfs362cvrril8t252jce6pq9jbqe@4ax.com>
wrote:
On Fri, 16 Sep 2005 20:51:28 -0400, "Michelle Malkin"
<hypatiab7@comcast.net> wrote:
http://www.clarionledger.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050916/NEWS0110/509160369/1260
They'll never learn, and that is why they are failing.
Those of us from Louisiana understand.
Then explain to the rest of us why, for example, allowing wetland
destruction is good for New Orleans.
It knocks down the storm surge.
Why, yes, wetlands do that. So, again, why was it wrong to try to
protect wetlands?
Ooooh, now THIS should prove interesting...
No, it won't. Duke will carry on answering the wrong question ("Why are
wetlands good for New Orleans?") and completely ignore the question
actually asked ("Why is allowing wetland destruction good for New
Orleans?") until everybody gets bored.
--
Kevin Anthoney
kanthoney[a]dsl.pipex.com
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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| Title: Re: Republicans Try to Blame Environmentalists For Floods |
19 Sep 2005 12:45:32 PM |
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Kevin Anthoney <kevin_anthoney@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:r_udnbXQAMDSbLPeRVnyrg@pipex.net:
Cary Kittrell wrote:
In article <feqti1pken4rqvqedkthc124g428o5rsc8@4ax.com> Matt
Silberstein <RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> writes:
On Sun, 18 Sep 2005 12:42:32 -0500, in alt.atheism , duke
<duckgumbo32@cox.net> in
<um9ri1dch5q83qjh722s7lbpp6dh1p2ls2@4ax.com> wrote:
On Sat, 17 Sep 2005 18:11:14 GMT, Matt Silberstein
<RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
On Sat, 17 Sep 2005 07:54:03 -0500, in alt.atheism , duke
<duckgumbo32@cox.net> in
<9e4oi1hfs362cvrril8t252jce6pq9jbqe@4ax.com> wrote:
On Fri, 16 Sep 2005 20:51:28 -0400, "Michelle Malkin"
<hypatiab7@comcast.net> wrote:
http://www.clarionledger.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?
AID=/20050916/NEW
S0110/509160369/1260
They'll never learn, and that is why they are failing.
Those of us from Louisiana understand.
Then explain to the rest of us why, for example, allowing wetland
destruction is good for New Orleans.
It knocks down the storm surge.
Why, yes, wetlands do that. So, again, why was it wrong to try to
protect wetlands?
Ooooh, now THIS should prove interesting...
No, it won't. Duke will carry on answering the wrong question ("Why
are wetlands good for New Orleans?") and completely ignore the
question actually asked ("Why is allowing wetland destruction good for
New Orleans?") until everybody gets bored.
The question "why is allowing weland destruction good for New Orleans?"
is a bit simplistic. It appears that environmentalists' objections to
wetland destruction contributed to the failure to build flood control
and levee projects that might have averted some of the damage from
Katrina.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"This city, for the first time that I can remember,
is drug-free and violence-free.
And we plan to keep it that way." - Mayor Ray Nagin
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| User: "JTEM" |
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| Title: Re: Republicans Try to Blame Environmentalists For Floods |
19 Sep 2005 03:53:50 PM |
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"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote
The question "why is allowing weland destruction
good for New Orleans?" is a bit simplistic. It
appears that environmentalists' objections to wetland
destruction contributed to the failure to build flood
control and levee projects that might have averted
some of the damage from Katrina.
Like absolutely everything else you've ever stated, that's
total *****.
The Republican party IS NOT in the pocket of the
environmentalists. Seriously. And it was the Republican
controlled congress that nixed the funding to
flood-proof New Orleans back in 1998 or so.
What caused the failure to build the necessary flood
control was the Republican penchant for believing
their own crap.
Boston's "Big Dig" was great for the economy -- totally
fantastic -- creating construction job (yes, actual
construction jobs) as far away as Baltimore Maryland.
But even though the project was originally approved
under Ronald Reagan, the GOP saw it as a gift to a
northeast that was staunchly pro-Clinton. Add to that
the overtly corrupt oversight of a Republican
administration in Massachusetts -- and all the cost
overruns associated with that -- and the Republicans
in congress went on the warpath against such big
ticket projects.
The price tag for New Orleans was something over
$14 billion back then, before a single "complication"
or a single cost overrun could be achieved. Compare
that to today, with Bush tossing around a $200 billion
price tag to save New Orleans.
It was all money. Period.
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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| Title: Re: Republicans Try to Blame Environmentalists For Floods |
19 Sep 2005 05:49:59 PM |
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In <DcydnWIDY_5sv7LeRVn-rw@comcast.com>, "JTEM" <gymraven@hotmail.com>
wrote:
"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote
The question "why is allowing weland destruction good for New Orleans?"
is a bit simplistic. It appears that environmentalists' objections to
wetland destruction contributed to the failure to build flood control
and levee projects that might have averted some of the damage from
Katrina.
Like absolutely everything else you've ever stated, that's total *****.
Definitely, totally, utterly.
None of the levees that were issues in Katrina are anywhere near the
wetlands. They're in the ***** *city. There's a reason the 17th Street
Canal is called the 17th Street Canal.
Now, there was a case a while back where the Corp wanted to dig up
wetlands for materials to raise levees along the Mississippi. Several
environmental groups opposed digging up the wetlands for material for the
levees. They did *not oppose raising the levees but, rather, the
destruction of wetlands to get materials for the project. This case is
being bandied about as some kind of "example" of how groups like the
Sierra Club caused the problems in the city.
Thing is, the levees in question are a hundred miles or more north of New
Orleans...
--
Mark K. Bilbo
--------------------------------------------------
"We're angry, Mr. President, and we'll be angry long
after our beloved city and surrounding parishes have
been pumped dry. Our people deserved rescuing.
Many who could have been were not. That's to the
government's shame."
http://makeashorterlink.com/?F2D511CBB
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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| Title: Re: Republicans Try to Blame Environmentalists For Floods |
19 Sep 2005 08:17:33 PM |
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"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in
news:yPCdnQH06ZcJ3bLeRVn-jw@megapath.net:
In <DcydnWIDY_5sv7LeRVn-rw@comcast.com>, "JTEM" <gymraven@hotmail.com>
wrote:
"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote
The question "why is allowing weland destruction good for New
Orleans?" is a bit simplistic. It appears that environmentalists'
objections to wetland destruction contributed to the failure to
build flood control and levee projects that might have averted some
of the damage from Katrina.
Like absolutely everything else you've ever stated, that's total
*****.
My, what a cogent argument.
Definitely, totally, utterly.
None of the levees that were issues in Katrina are anywhere near the
wetlands. They're in the ***** *city. There's a reason the 17th
Street Canal is called the 17th Street Canal.
The whole damned *city* is wetland. Duh. Seen the TV lately?
Now, there was a case a while back where the Corp wanted to dig up
wetlands for materials to raise levees along the Mississippi. Several
environmental groups opposed digging up the wetlands for material for
the levees. They did *not oppose raising the levees but, rather, the
destruction of wetlands to get materials for the project. This case is
being bandied about as some kind of "example" of how groups like the
Sierra Club caused the problems in the city.
Get real, the Sierra Club sued in the 1970's to stop the Corps of
Engineers from *planning* hurricane protection because of the
environmental impact statement.
Thing is, the levees in question are a hundred miles or more north of
New Orleans...
Mark once again picks a nice fat red herring.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"This city, for the first time that I can remember,
is drug-free and violence-free.
And we plan to keep it that way." - Mayor Ray Nagin
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| User: "JTEM" |
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20 Sep 2005 12:37:45 AM |
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"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote
Get real, the Sierra Club sued in the 1970's to stop the Corps of
Engineers from *planning* hurricane protection because of the
environmental impact statement.
Bringing you slightly closer to the present:
A plan to do all the necessary work went to the Republican
controlled congress back in 1998, and the Republicans
turned it down. The issue wasn't environmentalists, it was money.
Money.
Environmentalists can speak until they are blue in the face, but
the fact is that unless the Republican controlled congress wants
to listen to them (and they never have), the only thing that can
stop such a project is money.... lack there of.
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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20 Sep 2005 07:38:11 AM |
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In <tvidnSYInNBcALLeRVn-1g@comcast.com>, "JTEM" <gymraven@hotmail.com>
wrote:
"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote
Get real, the Sierra Club sued in the 1970's to stop the Corps of
Engineers from *planning* hurricane protection because of the
environmental impact statement.
Bringing you slightly closer to the present:
A plan to do all the necessary work went to the Republican controlled
congress back in 1998, and the Republicans turned it down. The issue
wasn't environmentalists, it was money.
Money.
Environmentalists can speak until they are blue in the face, but the fact
is that unless the Republican controlled congress wants to listen to them
(and they never have), the only thing that can stop such a project is
money.... lack there of.
It's also a bald faced *lie that the Sierra Club stopped the 1970s
project. The Corp wanted some wild project of moveable walls and dams that
was believed by many--not just the Sierra Club--to be likely to strangle
and kill Lake Pontchartrain. The "high-levee" proposal was put forward and
the Corp agreed.
Then wandered off to do serious nose excavation or something. I guess
building ordinary levees wasn't nearly as exciting as something with big,
complicated moving parts?
Anyway...
Apparently the 17th Street Canal project was almost abandoned because of
the recent budget cuts. I have read that the area that was breached was
rushed to "completion" because the project was running out of money.
Bet the Bushies don't want anybody looking to close at *that...
--
Mark K. Bilbo
--------------------------------------------------
"We're angry, Mr. President, and we'll be angry long
after our beloved city and surrounding parishes have
been pumped dry. Our people deserved rescuing.
Many who could have been were not. That's to the
government's shame."
http://makeashorterlink.com/?F2D511CBB
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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| Title: Re: Republicans Try to Blame Environmentalists For Floods |
20 Sep 2005 12:00:59 PM |
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"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in
news:9ZSdnT0FK-Azn63eRVn-ug@megapath.net:
In <tvidnSYInNBcALLeRVn-1g@comcast.com>, "JTEM" <gymraven@hotmail.com>
wrote:
"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote
Get real, the Sierra Club sued in the 1970's to stop the Corps of
Engineers from *planning* hurricane protection because of the
environmental impact statement.
Bringing you slightly closer to the present:
A plan to do all the necessary work went to the Republican controlled
congress back in 1998, and the Republicans turned it down. The issue
wasn't environmentalists, it was money.
Money.
Environmentalists can speak until they are blue in the face, but the
fact is that unless the Republican controlled congress wants to
listen to them (and they never have), the only thing that can stop
such a project is money.... lack there of.
It's also a bald faced *lie that the Sierra Club stopped the 1970s
project. The Corp wanted some wild project of moveable walls and dams
that was believed by many--not just the Sierra Club--to be likely to
strangle and kill Lake Pontchartrain.
Would that be anything like the Dutch system that has been praised
lately?
The "high-levee" proposal was
put forward and the Corp agreed.
Then wandered off to do serious nose excavation or something. I guess
building ordinary levees wasn't nearly as exciting as something with
big, complicated moving parts?
Then the funding got diverted to pay for other projects like bridges to
the floating casinos.
Anyway...
Apparently the 17th Street Canal project was almost abandoned because
of the recent budget cuts. I have read that the area that was breached
was rushed to "completion" because the project was running out of
money.
Bet the Bushies don't want anybody looking to close at *that...
Bet they *encourage* people to look closely a that, and other Louisiana
boondoggles with Corp of Engineers money.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"This city, for the first time that I can remember,
is drug-free and violence-free.
And we plan to keep it that way." - Mayor Ray Nagin
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| User: "JTEM" |
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20 Sep 2005 12:40:11 AM |
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"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in
"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote
None of the levees that were issues in Katrina are anywhere near the
wetlands. They're in the ***** *city. There's a reason the 17th
Street Canal is called the 17th Street Canal.
The whole damned *city* is wetland. Duh. Seen the TV lately?
"Fred," you worthless puddle of dog vomit, you're arguning *****
against someone who lives there.
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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20 Sep 2005 07:21:17 AM |
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In <nbWdnaEZqOvPA7LeRVn-tA@comcast.com>, "JTEM" <gymraven@hotmail.com>
wrote:
"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in
"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote
None of the levees that were issues in Katrina are anywhere near the
wetlands. They're in the ***** *city. There's a reason the 17th
Street Canal is called the 17th Street Canal.
The whole damned *city* is wetland. Duh. Seen the TV lately?
"Fred," you worthless puddle of dog vomit, you're arguning *****
against someone who lives there.
He actually asked if I'd "seen the TV lately?" Now *that's funny!
From where I live, I can't get to the CBD or Uptown without crossing the
17th Street Canal. And, you know, I never realized wetlands had so many
strip malls...
--
Mark K. Bilbo
--------------------------------------------------
"We're angry, Mr. President, and we'll be angry long
after our beloved city and surrounding parishes have
been pumped dry. Our people deserved rescuing.
Many who could have been were not. That's to the
government's shame."
http://makeashorterlink.com/?F2D511CBB
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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| Title: Re: Republicans Try to Blame Environmentalists For Floods |
20 Sep 2005 07:32:37 AM |
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"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in
news:bICdnXa8Vr8lY7LeRVn-iA@megapath.net:
In <nbWdnaEZqOvPA7LeRVn-tA@comcast.com>, "JTEM" <gymraven@hotmail.com>
wrote:
"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in
"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote
None of the levees that were issues in Katrina are anywhere near
the wetlands. They're in the ***** *city. There's a reason the
17th Street Canal is called the 17th Street Canal.
The whole damned *city* is wetland. Duh. Seen the TV lately?
"Fred," you worthless puddle of dog vomit, you're arguning *****
against someone who lives there.
He actually asked if I'd "seen the TV lately?" Now *that's funny!
What's even funnier is your contradictory denial of the facts:
From where I live, I can't get to the CBD or Uptown without crossing
the 17th Street Canal. And, you know, I never realized wetlands had so
many strip malls...
Smirk. Yeah, gosh, all those strip malls on solid dry ground *that
resulted from draining the swamp*.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"This city, for the first time that I can remember,
is drug-free and violence-free.
And we plan to keep it that way." - Mayor Ray Nagin
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| User: "JTEM" |
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| Title: Re: Republicans Try to Blame Environmentalists For Floods |
21 Sep 2005 02:14:11 AM |
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"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote
Smirk. Yeah, gosh, all those strip malls on solid dry ground
*that resulted from draining the swamp*.
You're claiming that "environmentalists" are fighting against
building on the site of these strip malls.
So you're saying that the environmentalists lost. Their concerns
were ignored. They failed to influence things.
Hmmm... yet having defeated your own position (that the
environmentalists stopped any building), you still can't
muster any honesty.
That's pathetic.
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