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"Fred Stone" |
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02 Jul 2007 03:57:21 PM |
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Rhetoric or Reality? |
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Fred Stone
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“If government half a century ago had provided us all with dinners and
breakfasts, it would be the practice of our orators today to assume the
impossibility of our providing for ourselves.”
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| User: "JTEM" |
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| Title: Re: Rhetoric or Reality? |
02 Jul 2007 04:51:59 PM |
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Fred Stone <fston...@earthling.com> wrote:
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Give us three examples.
In fact, this is an often heard charge by the Creationists.
They pretend that, by insisting science classrooms
should only teach science, that the wing nuts are being
"Silenced."
Congratulations, "Fred." Seems you've completed your
tranformation into a fully fledged member of the Religious
Reich.
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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| Title: Re: Rhetoric or Reality? |
02 Jul 2007 06:44:35 PM |
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JTEM <jtem01@gmail.com> wrote in news:1183413119.861192.299730
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Fred Stone <fston...@earthling.com> wrote:
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y23/drsanity/rhetoricvsreality.jpg
Give us three examples.
"Chickenhawk".
"Fairness doctrine".
"Global Warming Denialists".
In fact, this is an often heard charge by the Creationists.
They pretend that, by insisting science classrooms
should only teach science, that the wing nuts are being
"Silenced."
Congratulations, "Fred." Seems you've completed your
tranformation into a fully fledged member of the Religious
Reich.
Congratulations, "JTEM", your liberal blinders are fully operational.
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Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"Be intolerant. Because some things are just stupid"
- Ryan Dobson
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| User: "JTEM" |
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02 Jul 2007 11:53:33 PM |
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Fred Stone <fston...@earthling.com> wrote:
"Chickenhawk".
"Supporting the terrorists"
"Not supporting the troops"
"Fairness doctrine".
Oh, you mean that silly Democratic-sponsored idea of
not allowing "in-kind political contributions" from licensed
media outlets?
The GOP killed that *Years* ago...
"Global Warming Denialists".
Oh, okay, responding to nonsense is the exact same
thing as not allowing anyone to state nonsense....
Are you on crack?
Look at the smearboat campaign against Kerry.... Michael
Moore... heck, EVERYONE that dared speak out against
the Reich wing political agenda.
Frigging psycho....
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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03 Jul 2007 08:09:18 AM |
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JTEM <jtem01@gmail.com> wrote in news:1183438413.914115.200810
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Fred Stone <fston...@earthling.com> wrote:
"Chickenhawk".
"Supporting the terrorists"
But that's the truth.
"Not supporting the troops"
So is that.
"Fairness doctrine".
Oh, you mean that silly Democratic-sponsored idea of
not allowing "in-kind political contributions" from licensed
media outlets?
The GOP killed that *Years* ago...
And the Democrats just tried to bring it back.
"Global Warming Denialists".
Oh, okay, responding to nonsense is the exact same
thing as not allowing anyone to state nonsense....
Are you on crack?
Look at the smearboat campaign against Kerry.... Michael
Moore... heck, EVERYONE that dared speak out against
the Reich wing political agenda.
Ah, yes, the left's famous definition of "smear" = "telling the truth".
Frigging psycho....
Is that your new sig?
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Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"Be intolerant. Because some things are just stupid"
- Ryan Dobson
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| User: "JTEM" |
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03 Jul 2007 01:58:05 PM |
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Fred Stone <fston...@earthling.com> wrote:
And the Democrats just tried to bring it back.
The Fairness Doctrine?
Why, there's nothing more unAmerican then saying
that corporations are not people and shouldn't have
more rights than citizens!
Seriously, if the founding fathers were alive today, and
someone described the way corporations are treated
by you so-called "conservatives," they would slap you
across the face.
It's a disgrace, and you should be ashamed of yourself.
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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03 Jul 2007 04:11:51 PM |
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JTEM <jtem01@gmail.com> wrote in news:1183489085.081782.212930
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Fred Stone <fston...@earthling.com> wrote:
And the Democrats just tried to bring it back.
The Fairness Doctrine?
Why, there's nothing more unAmerican then saying
that corporations are not people and shouldn't have
more rights than citizens!
Seriously, if the founding fathers were alive today, and
someone described the way corporations are treated
by you so-called "conservatives," they would slap you
across the face.
It's a disgrace, and you should be ashamed of yourself.
What an interesting non-sequituur and appeal to emotions, "JTEM".
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Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"Be intolerant. Because some things are just stupid"
- Ryan Dobson
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| User: "JTEM" |
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04 Jul 2007 03:09:01 AM |
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Fred Stone <fston...@earthling.com> wrote:
What an interesting non-sequituur and appeal
to emotions, "JTEM".
"Fred," you jackass, citizens are limited in the amount
money they may contribute to a political campaign.
People. You know, those beings that our nation was
created for. Anyhow, you're literally arguing that
corporations have "Rights" that citizens do not. That,
they can throw hundreds of thousands of dollars (and
in the case of Faux "news," millions of dollars) in
in-kind contributions to candidates.
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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04 Jul 2007 12:48:23 PM |
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JTEM <jtem01@gmail.com> wrote in news:1183536541.013151.309820
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Fred Stone <fston...@earthling.com> wrote:
What an interesting non-sequituur and appeal
to emotions, "JTEM".
"Fred," you jackass, citizens are limited in the amount
money they may contribute to a political campaign.
People. You know, those beings that our nation was
created for. Anyhow, you're literally arguing that
corporations have "Rights" that citizens do not. That,
they can throw hundreds of thousands of dollars (and
in the case of Faux "news," millions of dollars) in
in-kind contributions to candidates.
Go ahead, "JTEM", move the goalposts some more. This is really amusing.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"Be intolerant. Because some things are just stupid"
- Ryan Dobson
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| User: "JTEM" |
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04 Jul 2007 10:55:06 PM |
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Fred Stone <fston...@earthling.com> wrote:
"Fred," you jackass, citizens are limited in the amount
money they may contribute to a political campaign.
People. You know, those beings that our nation was
created for. Anyhow, you're literally arguing that
corporations have "Rights" that citizens do not. That,
they can throw hundreds of thousands of dollars (and
in the case of Faux "news," millions of dollars) in
in-kind contributions to candidates.
Go ahead, "JTEM", move the goalposts some more. This
is really amusing.
"Fred," you drooling imbecile, it was the REPUBLICANS who
moved the goalpost. What I'm saying we should have is what
was in place for more than 30 years!
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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05 Jul 2007 12:04:45 PM |
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JTEM <jtem01@gmail.com> wrote in news:1183607706.390151.279500
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Fred Stone <fston...@earthling.com> wrote:
"Fred," you jackass, citizens are limited in the amount
money they may contribute to a political campaign.
People. You know, those beings that our nation was
created for. Anyhow, you're literally arguing that
corporations have "Rights" that citizens do not. That,
they can throw hundreds of thousands of dollars (and
in the case of Faux "news," millions of dollars) in
in-kind contributions to candidates.
Go ahead, "JTEM", move the goalposts some more. This
is really amusing.
"Fred," you drooling imbecile, it was the REPUBLICANS who
moved the goalpost. What I'm saying we should have is what
was in place for more than 30 years!
"JTEM", you incredible moron, if your interminably boring whiners could
compete you wouldn't need to pass laws to force news stations to carry
your insipid drivel.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"Be intolerant. Because some things are just stupid"
- Ryan Dobson
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| User: "JTEM" |
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05 Jul 2007 05:46:40 PM |
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Fred Stone <fston...@earthling.com> wrote:
"JTEM", you incredible moron, if your interminably
boring whiners could compete you wouldn't need
to pass laws to force news stations to carry your
insipid drivel.
At it's heart, your position requires two things:
#1. Corporation should have more rights or privileges
than citizens.
#2. Your political agenda can not survive a public
fully informed by an honest airing of both sides.
This nation requires a return of the Fairness doctrine.
We can't have a democracy without it.
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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06 Jul 2007 06:33:05 AM |
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JTEM <jtem01@gmail.com> wrote in news:1183675600.250725.140760
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Fred Stone <fston...@earthling.com> wrote:
"JTEM", you incredible moron, if your interminably
boring whiners could compete you wouldn't need
to pass laws to force news stations to carry your
insipid drivel.
At it's heart, your position requires two things:
#1. Corporation should have more rights or privileges
than citizens.
Corporations are groups of people. People have freedom of speech. People
cannot be required to sponsor or to publish speech that they do not wish
to publish.
If you libruls want to put your speech on the air, PAY FOR IT like good
little capitalists instead of trying to force stations to air your
drivel.
#2. Your political agenda can not survive a public
fully informed by an honest airing of both sides.
If there were such a thing as "two sides" to the TRUTH you might have a
point.
This nation requires a return of the Fairness doctrine.
We can't have a democracy without it.
Translation: liberals can't force people to listen to their drivel
without it.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"Be intolerant. Because some things are just stupid"
- Ryan Dobson
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| User: "JTEM" |
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06 Jul 2007 08:18:31 PM |
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Fred Stone <fston...@earthling.com> wrote:
Corporations are groups of people.
Corporations are legal entities, and can be formed by individuals,
groups or even other legal entities.
You haven't a fucking clue, "Fred."
Our nation exists for PEOPLE, not pieces of paper which
are viewed as legal entities.
Secondly, if you believed that your agenda would be
supported by voters fully educated by an open & honest
airing of both sides you would support the Fairness Doctrine.
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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07 Jul 2007 07:20:32 AM |
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JTEM wrote:
Fred Stone <fston...@earthling.com> wrote:
Corporations are groups of people.
Corporations are legal entities, and can be formed by individuals,
groups or even other legal entities.
You haven't a fucking clue, "Fred."
Our nation exists for PEOPLE, not pieces of paper which
are viewed as legal entities.
Individuals, groups and other legal entities are all made up of people or
groups of people, "JTEM".
Secondly, if you believed that your agenda would be
supported by voters fully educated by an open & honest
airing of both sides you would support the Fairness Doctrine.
I believe that freedom of the press, which includes the freedom *NOT* to
publish that which one does not wish to publish, is more important than
forcing voters to listen to both "sides" of the false dichotomy of partisan
politics.
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Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"Cthulhu for President - why vote for the lesser evil?"
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03 Jul 2007 01:09:00 PM |
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"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in message
news:Xns99625DA2F1B29freddybear@216.151.153.14...
JTEM <jtem01@gmail.com> wrote in news:1183438413.914115.200810
@q75g2000hsh.googlegroups.com:
Fred Stone <fston...@earthling.com> wrote:
"Chickenhawk".
"Supporting the terrorists"
But that's the truth.
"Not supporting the troops"
So is that.
"Fairness doctrine".
Oh, you mean that silly Democratic-sponsored idea of
not allowing "in-kind political contributions" from licensed
media outlets?
The GOP killed that *Years* ago...
And the Democrats just tried to bring it back.
"Global Warming Denialists".
Oh, okay, responding to nonsense is the exact same
thing as not allowing anyone to state nonsense....
Are you on crack?
Look at the smearboat campaign against Kerry.... Michael
Moore... heck, EVERYONE that dared speak out against
the Reich wing political agenda.
Ah, yes, the left's famous definition of "smear" = "telling the truth".
lol. How cute. Fredo still clings to the belief that the swiftboaters were
telling the truth.
Does the kool aid burn when it hits your vein, Fredo?
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Aloha, G-Ride
The force that's forcing you to feel like busting up a Starbucks.
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02 Jul 2007 11:41:17 PM |
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In article <Xns9961C98F08AABfreddybear@216.151.153.45>,
fstone69@earthling.com says...
"Chickenhawk".
Nobody prevents you from being a hypocrite. We just mock you for it.
"Fairness doctrine".
But I thought you guys were already "fair and balanced", so why are you
so afraid if you're already telling "both sides". I mean if you are truly
telling both sides then you should have nothing to worry about whatsoever
and shouldn't have to change anything. How is requiring that *both
sides* be told equivalent to stopping you from expressing your POV? I
really would like an explanation of how an iron-clad guarantee that both
a conservative and a liberal voice would be heard for equal amounts of
time, by force of law, equivalent to silencing conservatives.
"Global Warming Denialists".
Nobody prevents you from mouthing your stupidity on this subject. We
simply laugh at you and correctly label you willful fools and ignorami.
--
Quibbler (quibbler247atyahoo.com)
"It is fashionable to wax apocalyptic about the
threat to humanity posed by the AIDS virus, 'mad cow'
disease, and many others, but I think a case can be
made that faith is one of the world's great evils,
comparable to the smallpox virus but harder to
eradicate." -- Richard Dawkins
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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03 Jul 2007 08:06:45 AM |
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quibbler <quibbler247@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:MPG.20f3815731cf088b989ff8@news.readfreenews.net:
In article <Xns9961C98F08AABfreddybear@216.151.153.45>,
fstone69@earthling.com says...
"Chickenhawk".
Nobody prevents you from being a hypocrite. We just mock you for it.
You're a hypocrite, quibbler. You demand equal time for *YOUR* arguments
but when someone wants to criticize a liberal, you're all high-and-mighty
with your mockery.
Double standards, thy name is "liberalism".
"Fairness doctrine".
But I thought you guys were already "fair and balanced", so why are
you so afraid if you're already telling "both sides". I mean if you
are truly telling both sides then you should have nothing to worry
about whatsoever and shouldn't have to change anything. How is
requiring that *both sides* be told equivalent to stopping you from
expressing your POV? I really would like an explanation of how an
iron-clad guarantee that both a conservative and a liberal voice would
be heard for equal amounts of time, by force of law, equivalent to
silencing conservatives.
If there were really "two sides" and ONLY "two sides" and if people really
wanted to hear a bunch of whinging crybabies moaning about how awful
Americans are they'd tune into Air America and talk radio wouldn't need to
be coerced into giving equal time for your propaganda.
Besides, you've already got every other radio program including NPR and all
the TV and Cable stations besides FOX. And of course they all are losing
market share in droves as people get royally tired of being told how
terrible they are.
"Global Warming Denialists".
Nobody prevents you from mouthing your stupidity on this subject. We
simply laugh at you and correctly label you willful fools and
ignorami.
And once again let me throw your whine about "both sides" back in your
stupid face, quibbler. When YOU start giving equal time to global warming
skeptics then maybe you might be something other than an outright hypocrite
about the "fairness doctrine". AGW is *NOT* settled science, and you know
it, and that's why you have to shut down debate.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"Be intolerant. Because some things are just stupid"
- Ryan Dobson
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| User: "quibbler" |
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06 Jul 2007 07:36:21 PM |
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In article <Xns99625D341D7B1freddybear@216.151.153.14>,
fstone69@earthling.com says...
quibbler <quibbler247@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:MPG.20f3815731cf088b989ff8@news.readfreenews.net:
In article <Xns9961C98F08AABfreddybear@216.151.153.45>,
fstone69@earthling.com says...
"Chickenhawk".
Nobody prevents you from being a hypocrite. We just mock you for it.
You're a hypocrite, quibbler. You demand equal time for *YOUR* arguments
but when someone wants to criticize a liberal, you're all high-and-mighty
with your mockery.
How is it hypocritical to mock someone else. I didn't say they shouldn't
be mocked. I simply pointed out the fact that repugs claimed to be "fair
and balanced" and then screamed bloody murder about the "fairness"
doctrine, which might force them to actually be fair and balanced. But
both sides would still have plenty of chances to mock the other. WTF is
your problem, you fucking moron?
Double standards, thy name is "liberalism".
What double standard, you fucking moron?
If there were really "two sides"
The fairness doctrine doesn't just say there are two sides. It would
also require that other viewpoints could be expressed. Corporate and
theocrat monopolists have too long shouted down all others, by attempted
to put a stranglehold on broadcasting. Fortunately, technology and sound
public policy will defeat that and restore balance to the force.
and ONLY "two sides" and if people really
wanted to hear a bunch of whinging crybabies moaning about how awful
Americans are they'd tune into Air America and talk radio wouldn't need to
be coerced into giving equal time for your propaganda.
So one radio station is what you consider balanced. In that case, you
won't mind if we delicense all but one of your hysterical, reich-wing
stations.
Besides, you've already got every other radio program including NPR
All you need do is look at the name of NPR to see that it is not overtly
committed to left wing causes, while FUX and SmearChannel are overtly
committed to reich-wing causes.
And once again let me throw your whine about "both sides" back in your
stupid face, quibbler.
When YOU start giving equal time to global warming
skeptics
I'm perfectly willing to give equal time on the radio to those dumber-
than-***** global warming skeptics and creationists and holocaust deniers.
But there is nothing inconsistent about blasting the hell out of them
with the facts.
then maybe you might be something other than an outright hypocrite
about the "fairness doctrine".
Then you've just conceded defeat, because I'm perfectly willing to give
them equal time to articulate their idiotic views, so long as there is
another voice there to correct their misrepresentations.
AGW is *NOT* settled science, and you know
it, and that's why you have to shut down debate.
I've never proposed shutting down debate. You just have nothing with
which to debate.
--
Quibbler (quibbler247atyahoo.com)
"It is fashionable to wax apocalyptic about the
threat to humanity posed by the AIDS virus, 'mad cow'
disease, and many others, but I think a case can be
made that faith is one of the world's great evils,
comparable to the smallpox virus but harder to
eradicate." -- Richard Dawkins
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| User: "JTEM" |
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06 Jul 2007 08:15:18 PM |
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quibbler <quibbler...@yahoo.com> wrote:
I simply pointed out the fact that repugs claimed to be "fair
and balanced" and then screamed bloody murder about the
"fairness" doctrine, which might force them to actually be
fair and balanced.
There is no "Fairness Doctrine." Reagan murdered it. It's
death coincides nicely with the rise of the GOP.
You can't be against the fairness doctrine unless you believe
that your political agenda can not win an open, honest & fair
debate.
Our Democracy has NOT done well since the death of the
fairness doctrine. Do what you can, but without it's return our
Democracy is doomed. One side overwhelming controls the
media, and despite the lunatic Reich wing cries to the contrary
it is NOT any "Liberals."
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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07 Jul 2007 09:48:00 AM |
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JTEM <jtem01@gmail.com> wrote in news:1183770918.776717.291010@
57g2000hsv.googlegroups.com:
quibbler <quibbler...@yahoo.com> wrote:
I simply pointed out the fact that repugs claimed to be "fair
and balanced" and then screamed bloody murder about the
"fairness" doctrine, which might force them to actually be
fair and balanced.
There is no "Fairness Doctrine." Reagan murdered it. It's
death coincides nicely with the rise of the GOP.
You can't be against the fairness doctrine unless you believe
that your political agenda can not win an open, honest & fair
debate.
You can't be *FOR* the "fairness doctrine" unless you believe that your
political agenda has to be *forced* on people who wouldn't give you the
time of day.
Our Democracy has NOT done well since the death of the
fairness doctrine. Do what you can, but without it's return our
Democracy is doomed. One side overwhelming controls the
media, and despite the lunatic Reich wing cries to the contrary
it is NOT any "Liberals."
*****. You lousy whiners aren't happy because you lost your monopoly
and you can't stand to have the truth told to your lies.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"Be intolerant. Because some things are just stupid"
- Ryan Dobson
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08 Jul 2007 10:10:11 PM |
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Fred Stone <fston...@earthling.com> wrote:
You can't be *FOR* the "fairness doctrine" unless you
believe that your political agenda has to be *forced* on
people who wouldn't give you the time of day.
Yeah, I guess tha's why you admit that you hate America,
and think that corporations should have more rights &
privileges than citizens... sure... that's the ticket...
"Fred," if you thought your position could survive an open
& honest airing of both sides of the issues, you wouldn't
be afriad of the Fairness Doctrine... democracy....
America.
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09 Jul 2007 05:25:54 PM |
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JTEM <jtem01@gmail.com> wrote in news:1183950611.062225.130500
@c77g2000hse.googlegroups.com:
Fred Stone <fston...@earthling.com> wrote:
You can't be *FOR* the "fairness doctrine" unless you
believe that your political agenda has to be *forced* on
people who wouldn't give you the time of day.
Yeah, I guess tha's why you admit that you hate America,
and think that corporations should have more rights &
privileges than citizens... sure... that's the ticket...
"Fred," if you thought your position could survive an open
& honest airing of both sides of the issues, you wouldn't
be afriad of the Fairness Doctrine... democracy....
America.
You forgot motherhood and apple pie.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"Be intolerant. Because some things are just stupid"
- Ryan Dobson
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| User: "quibbler" |
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08 Jul 2007 11:41:04 AM |
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In article <Xns99666E61BD0BAfreddybear@216.151.153.14>,
fstone69@earthling.com says...
JTEM <jtem01@gmail.com> wrote in news:1183770918.776717.291010@
57g2000hsv.googlegroups.com:
quibbler <quibbler...@yahoo.com> wrote:
I simply pointed out the fact that repugs claimed to be "fair
and balanced" and then screamed bloody murder about the
"fairness" doctrine, which might force them to actually be
fair and balanced.
There is no "Fairness Doctrine." Reagan murdered it. It's
death coincides nicely with the rise of the GOP.
You can't be against the fairness doctrine unless you believe
that your political agenda can not win an open, honest & fair
debate.
You can't be *FOR* the "fairness doctrine"
But I thought you were "fair and balanced", n'est ce pas?
unless you believe that your
political agenda has to be *forced* on people
Fred's hysteric fit continues. He knows he is not forced to listen to a
particular program or watch a particular show. Only Alberto Gonzales
might try to prop someone's else open with toothpicks or duct-tape a
radio to a person's ear in some torture scheme gone horribly wrong. The
only coercion taking place right now is that theocratic and corporate
monopolists try to buy up all the broadcasting rights in an area and
refuse to offer anything but a uniform drumbeat of reich wing propaganda.
*****. You lousy whiners aren't happy because you lost your monopoly
When and where was this monopoly?
and you can't stand to have the truth told to your lies.
If you're telling the truth, why do you need a media stranglehold to do
it? It sounds like you're afraid that your "truth" will be exposed as
the lies and propaganda that it actually is, if any external information
is permitted to see the light of day.
--
Quibbler (quibbler247atyahoo.com)
"It is fashionable to wax apocalyptic about the
threat to humanity posed by the AIDS virus, 'mad cow'
disease, and many others, but I think a case can be
made that faith is one of the world's great evils,
comparable to the smallpox virus but harder to
eradicate." -- Richard Dawkins
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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| Title: Re: Rhetoric or Reality? |
08 Jul 2007 12:26:13 PM |
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quibbler <quibbler247@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:MPG.20fac185854c59a198a001@news.readfreenews.net:
In article <Xns99666E61BD0BAfreddybear@216.151.153.14>,
fstone69@earthling.com says...
JTEM <jtem01@gmail.com> wrote in news:1183770918.776717.291010@
57g2000hsv.googlegroups.com:
quibbler <quibbler...@yahoo.com> wrote:
I simply pointed out the fact that repugs claimed to be "fair
and balanced" and then screamed bloody murder about the
"fairness" doctrine, which might force them to actually be
fair and balanced.
There is no "Fairness Doctrine." Reagan murdered it. It's
death coincides nicely with the rise of the GOP.
You can't be against the fairness doctrine unless you believe
that your political agenda can not win an open, honest & fair
debate.
You can't be *FOR* the "fairness doctrine"
But I thought you were "fair and balanced", n'est ce pas?
What the hell are you talking about? I'm not FOX News.
unless you believe that your
political agenda has to be *forced* on people
Fred's hysteric fit continues. He knows he is not forced to listen to
a particular program or watch a particular show.
But you want me to be.
Only Alberto
Gonzales might try to prop someone's else open with toothpicks or
duct-tape a radio to a person's ear in some torture scheme gone
horribly wrong. The only coercion taking place right now is that
theocratic and corporate monopolists try to buy up all the
broadcasting rights in an area and refuse to offer anything but a
uniform drumbeat of reich wing propaganda.
Oh, right, Rush has a monopoly on broadcasting. On which planet?
*****. You lousy whiners aren't happy because you lost your
monopoly
When and where was this monopoly?
NBCCBSABCNPR.
and you can't stand to have the truth told to your lies.
If you're telling the truth, why do you need a media stranglehold to
do it?
What media stranglehold are you talking about, quibbler? CBS fucking
news isn't right wing. Neither is NBC or ABC or PBS. The only network
that you can reasonably accuse of being "right-wing" is FOX and that
only because they're not rabid foaming-at-the-mouth leftwingers.
It sounds like you're afraid that your "truth" will be exposed
as the lies and propaganda that it actually is, if any external
information is permitted to see the light of day.
Quibbler, spare us all the turnspeak. Your stupid lies aren't even funny
any more.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"Be intolerant. Because some things are just stupid"
- Ryan Dobson
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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| Title: Re: Rhetoric or Reality? |
07 Jul 2007 09:45:47 AM |
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quibbler <quibbler247@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:MPG.20f88df193c1789998a000@news.readfreenews.net:
In article <Xns99625D341D7B1freddybear@216.151.153.14>,
fstone69@earthling.com says...
quibbler <quibbler247@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:MPG.20f3815731cf088b989ff8@news.readfreenews.net:
In article <Xns9961C98F08AABfreddybear@216.151.153.45>,
fstone69@earthling.com says...
"Chickenhawk".
Nobody prevents you from being a hypocrite. We just mock you for
it.
You're a hypocrite, quibbler. You demand equal time for *YOUR*
arguments but when someone wants to criticize a liberal, you're all
high-and-mighty with your mockery.
How is it hypocritical to mock someone else. I didn't say they
shouldn't be mocked. I simply pointed out the fact that repugs
claimed to be "fair and balanced" and then screamed bloody murder
about the "fairness" doctrine, which might force them to actually be
fair and balanced. But both sides would still have plenty of chances
to mock the other. WTF is your problem, you fucking moron?
The "Fairness doctrine" is a lie, quibbler, and you know it - you're a liar
too.
Double standards, thy name is "liberalism".
What double standard, you fucking moron?
The one that demands free speech for liberals but not for conservatives.
If there were really "two sides"
The fairness doctrine doesn't just say there are two sides.
You were the one who said "both sides", quibbler, not me.
It would
also require that other viewpoints could be expressed. Corporate and
theocrat monopolists have too long shouted down all others, by
attempted to put a stranglehold on broadcasting.
Oh, *****. They'll sell anybody time who has the dime.
Fortunately,
technology and sound public policy will defeat that and restore
balance to the force.
If your ideas were worth listening to you wouldn't need to force people to
listen.
and ONLY "two sides" and if people really
wanted to hear a bunch of whinging crybabies moaning about how awful
Americans are they'd tune into Air America and talk radio wouldn't
need to be coerced into giving equal time for your propaganda.
So one radio station is what you consider balanced. In that case, you
won't mind if we delicense all but one of your hysterical, reich-wing
stations.
Thanks for admitting that you're a speech-censoring fascist.
Besides, you've already got every other radio program including NPR
All you need do is look at the name of NPR to see that it is not
overtly committed to left wing causes,
Gee, that must mean that the National Socialists *were* really Socialists
after all.
while FUX and SmearChannel are
overtly committed to reich-wing causes.
***** again. They're overtly populists.
And once again let me throw your whine about "both sides" back in
your stupid face, quibbler.
When YOU start giving equal time to global warming
skeptics
I'm perfectly willing to give equal time on the radio to those dumber-
than-***** global warming skeptics and creationists and holocaust
deniers. But there is nothing inconsistent about blasting the hell
out of them with the facts.
Then do it on your own fucking dime.
then maybe you might be something other than an outright hypocrite
about the "fairness doctrine".
Then you've just conceded defeat, because I'm perfectly willing to
give them equal time to articulate their idiotic views, so long as
there is another voice there to correct their misrepresentations.
You prove yourself a hypocrite with your own words.
AGW is *NOT* settled science, and you know
it, and that's why you have to shut down debate.
I've never proposed shutting down debate. You just have nothing with
which to debate.
Yes, quibbler, you *are* proposing shutting down debate. I have plenty with
which to debate, but your Pope Al the First won't debate anybody. He only
talks to confirmed sycophants. I couldn't believe it, even Charlie Rose was
fawning all over him, it was downright embarrassing.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"Be intolerant. Because some things are just stupid"
- Ryan Dobson
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| User: "quibbler" |
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| Title: Re: Rhetoric or Reality? |
08 Jul 2007 11:56:24 AM |
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In article <Xns99666E00EBF58freddybear@216.151.153.14>,
fstone69@earthling.com says...
The "Fairness doctrine" is a lie,
How so? Where in the fairness doctrine does it demand that liberals be
given preference over conservatives? Back up you ridiculous claim or
retract.
quibbler, and you know it - you're a liar
too.
What have I lied about?
Double standards, thy name is "liberalism".
What double standard, you fucking moron?
The one that demands free speech for liberals but not for conservatives.
Where does the fairness doctrine say that consevatives will not have free
speech?
It would
also require that other viewpoints could be expressed. Corporate and
theocrat monopolists have too long shouted down all others, by
attempted to put a stranglehold on broadcasting.
Oh, *****. They'll sell anybody time who has the dime.
False. Many of these radio stations have policies which exclude anything
but "conservative" content, on the grounds that it might confuse
listeners or sponsors who are too stupid to be able to handle anything
but a uniform message.
Fortunately,
technology and sound public policy will defeat that and restore
balance to the force.
If your ideas were worth listening to you wouldn't need to force people to
listen.
Nobody is being forced. The FCC is forcing us not to broadcast our ideas
with the mechanism of licensure, even when that bandwidth is unused in a
local area or is being profligately wasted on things that do not require
the amount of bandwidth assigned.
and ONLY "two sides" and if people really
wanted to hear a bunch of whinging crybabies moaning about how awful
Americans are they'd tune into Air America and talk radio wouldn't
need to be coerced into giving equal time for your propaganda.
So one radio station is what you consider balanced. In that case, you
won't mind if we delicense all but one of your hysterical, reich-wing
stations.
Thanks for admitting that you're a speech-censoring fascist.
If that's censorship then your proposal that liberals should be limited
to one radio station is equally censorious.
Besides, you've already got every other radio program including NPR
All you need do is look at the name of NPR to see that it is not
overtly committed to left wing causes,
Gee, that must mean that the National Socialists *were* really Socialists
after all.
You've joined the holocaust deniers, Fred. Nazionale Sozialistiche
Deutsch ArbeitPartei was taken over by Hitler and purged of socialists,
trade unionists, much as the repug party was taken over by crazy
motherfucking theocrat-wannabes like you and purged of any actual
conservatives.
Then do it on your own fucking dime.
The bandwidth can't be purchased, even if it is unused in a local area,
because it is being tightly regulated by the FCC.
then maybe you might be something other than an outright hypocrite
about the "fairness doctrine".
Then you've just conceded defeat, because I'm perfectly willing to
give them equal time to articulate their idiotic views, so long as
there is another voice there to correct their misrepresentations.
You prove yourself a hypocrite with your own words.
No, you prove you don't know what you're talking about.
AGW is *NOT* settled science, and you know
it, and that's why you have to shut down debate.
I've never proposed shutting down debate. You just have nothing with
which to debate.
Yes, quibbler, you *are* proposing shutting down debate. I have plenty with
which to debate, but your Pope Al the First won't debate anybody.
He sure kicked O'Really's ***** whenever they tangled, despite O'Really's
demand that Al "Shut up!"
--
Quibbler (quibbler247atyahoo.com)
"It is fashionable to wax apocalyptic about the
threat to humanity posed by the AIDS virus, 'mad cow'
disease, and many others, but I think a case can be
made that faith is one of the world's great evils,
comparable to the smallpox virus but harder to
eradicate." -- Richard Dawkins
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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| Title: Re: Rhetoric or Reality? |
08 Jul 2007 12:38:17 PM |
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quibbler <quibbler247@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:MPG.20fac522d227591398a002@news.readfreenews.net:
In article <Xns99666E00EBF58freddybear@216.151.153.14>,
fstone69@earthling.com says...
The "Fairness doctrine" is a lie,
How so? Where in the fairness doctrine does it demand that liberals
be given preference over conservatives? Back up you ridiculous claim
or retract.
In the fact that every liberal in the country will complain about ANY
conservative who gets any airtime at all, and so networks won't put
conservatives on for fear of the complaints. You would shut Rush
Limbaugh down in a heartbeat by demanding FREE time to spout your drivel
on every station that ran his programs.
quibbler, and you know it - you're a liar
too.
What have I lied about?
Everything.
Double standards, thy name is "liberalism".
What double standard, you fucking moron?
The one that demands free speech for liberals but not for
conservatives.
Where does the fairness doctrine say that consevatives will not have
free speech?
In the hypocrisy of the liberals who support it. In the lies of liars
like you.
It would
also require that other viewpoints could be expressed. Corporate
and theocrat monopolists have too long shouted down all others, by
attempted to put a stranglehold on broadcasting.
Oh, *****. They'll sell anybody time who has the dime.
False. Many of these radio stations have policies which exclude
anything but "conservative" content, on the grounds that it might
confuse listeners or sponsors who are too stupid to be able to handle
anything but a uniform message.
Oh you liar. You filthy fucking liar.
That's what *LIBERAL* stations do, you fucking liar. Dan "Fake But
Accurate" Rather complained about not being able to control the message
any more.
Fortunately,
technology and sound public policy will defeat that and restore
balance to the force.
If your ideas were worth listening to you wouldn't need to force
people to listen.
Nobody is being forced.
But you want them to be.
The FCC is forcing us not to broadcast our
ideas with the mechanism of licensure, even when that bandwidth is
unused in a local area or is being profligately wasted on things that
do not require the amount of bandwidth assigned.
You lie, quibbler. You're only "forced" because NOBODY WILL SPONSOR YOUR
DRIVEL.
and ONLY "two sides" and if people really
wanted to hear a bunch of whinging crybabies moaning about how
awful Americans are they'd tune into Air America and talk radio
wouldn't need to be coerced into giving equal time for your
propaganda.
So one radio station is what you consider balanced. In that case,
you won't mind if we delicense all but one of your hysterical,
reich-wing stations.
Thanks for admitting that you're a speech-censoring fascist.
If that's censorship then your proposal that liberals should be
limited to one radio station is equally censorious.
You liar, I never proposed that liberals should be limited to one
station. You can have all the stations you can afford to buy.
Besides, you've already got every other radio program including
NPR
All you need do is look at the name of NPR to see that it is not
overtly committed to left wing causes,
Gee, that must mean that the National Socialists *were* really
Socialists after all.
You've joined the holocaust deniers, Fred. Nazionale Sozialistiche
Deutsch ArbeitPartei was taken over by Hitler and purged of
socialists, trade unionists, much as the repug party was taken over by
crazy motherfucking theocrat-wannabes like you and purged of any
actual conservatives.
You're nothing but a propagandist, just like your mentor, Herr Goebbels,
quibbler. He perfected the Big Lie and you're just following in his
footsteps.
Then do it on your own fucking dime.
The bandwidth can't be purchased, even if it is unused in a local
area, because it is being tightly regulated by the FCC.
***** again.
then maybe you might be something other than an outright hypocrite
about the "fairness doctrine".
Then you've just conceded defeat, because I'm perfectly willing to
give them equal time to articulate their idiotic views, so long as
there is another voice there to correct their misrepresentations.
You prove yourself a hypocrite with your own words.
No, you prove you don't know what you're talking about.
Liar liar pants on fire.
AGW is *NOT* settled science, and you know
it, and that's why you have to shut down debate.
I've never proposed shutting down debate. You just have nothing
with which to debate.
Yes, quibbler, you *are* proposing shutting down debate. I have
plenty with which to debate, but your Pope Al the First won't debate
anybody.
He sure kicked O'Really's ***** whenever they tangled, despite
O'Really's demand that Al "Shut up!"
I'm not talking about O'Really.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"Be intolerant. Because some things are just stupid"
- Ryan Dobson
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06 Jul 2007 07:35:28 PM |
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On Jul 2, 4:57 pm, Fred Stone <fston...@earthling.com> wrote:
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y23/drsanity/rhetoricvsreality.jpg
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"If government half a century ago had provided us all with dinners and
breakfasts, it would be the practice of our orators today to assume the
impossibility of our providing for ourselves."
I am still waiting for you education and career details Fred?
V
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06 Jul 2007 07:57:48 PM |
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"V" <vfr44@aol.com> wrote snip
I am still waiting for you education and career details Fred?
None of your fucking business!
HO! <Whack!>
--
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
BAAWA Knight!
#1557
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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06 Jul 2007 09:14:33 PM |
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On Fri, 06 Jul 2007 17:35:28 -0700, V wrote:
HO! <WHACK>
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Mark K. Bilbo a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
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"Come to think of it, there are already a million monkeys
on a million typewriters, and the Usenet is NOTHING
like Shakespeare!" - Blair Houghton
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