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"stoney" |
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16 Feb 2006 06:56:05 PM |
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RIAA Says Ripping CDs to Your iPod is NOT Fair Use |
http://www.eff.org/deeplinks/archives/004409.php
RIAA Says Ripping CDs to Your iPod is NOT Fair Use
February 15, 2006
It is no secret that the entertainment oligopolists are not happy about
space-shifting and format-shifting. But surely ripping your own CDs to
your own iPod passes muster, right? In fact, didn't they admit as much
in front of the Supreme Court during the MGM v. Grokster argument last
year?
Apparently not.
As part of the on-going DMCA rule-making proceedings, the RIAA and other
copyright industry associations submitted a filing that included this
gem as part of their argument that space-shifting and format-shifting do
not count as noninfringing uses, even when you are talking about making
copies of your own CDs:
"Nor does the fact that permission to make a copy in particular
circumstances is often or even routinely granted, necessarily establish
that the copying is a fair use when the copyright owner withholds that
authorization. In this regard, the statement attributed to counsel for
copyright owners in the MGM v. Grokster case is simply a statement about
authorization, not about fair use."
For those who may not remember, here's what Don Verrilli said to the
Supreme Court last year:
"The record companies, my clients, have said, for some time now, and
it's been on their website for some time now, that it's perfectly lawful
to take a CD that you've purchased, upload it onto your computer, put it
onto your iPod."
If I understand what the RIAA is saying, "perfectly lawful" means
"lawful until we change our mind." So your ability to continue to make
copies of your own CDs on your own iPod is entirely a matter of their
sufferance. What about all the indie label CDs? Do you have to ask each
of them for permission before ripping your CDs? And what about all the
major label artists who control their own copyrights? Do we all need to
ask them, as well?
P.S.: The same filing also had this to say: "Similarly, creating a
back-up copy of a music CD is not a non-infringing use...."
/end
--
Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to
shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
be 'blessed' with a cornucopia of splinters.
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| User: "*nemo*" |
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| Title: Re: RIAA Says Ripping CDs to Your iPod is NOT Fair Use |
17 Feb 2006 03:56:52 AM |
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In article <qm7av1l2degp87b0f87gg6og2cl3g8a1tf@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
http://www.eff.org/deeplinks/archives/004409.php
RIAA Says Ripping CDs to Your iPod is NOT Fair Use
February 15, 2006
It is no secret that the entertainment oligopolists are not happy about
space-shifting and format-shifting. But surely ripping your own CDs to
your own iPod passes muster, right? In fact, didn't they admit as much
in front of the Supreme Court during the MGM v. Grokster argument last
year?
Apparently not.
Odd... no one appeared to be too bent out of shape when I recorded my
own vinyl records onto my own 8-tracks to play in my car.
--
Nemo - EAC Commissioner for Bible Belt Underwater Operations.
Atheist #1331 (the Palindrome of doom!)
BAAWA Knight! - One of those warm Southern Knights, y'all!
Charter member, SMASH!!
http://home.earthlink.net/~jehdjh/Relpg.html
Draco Dormiens Nunquam Titillandus
Quotemeister since March 2002
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| User: "Panama Floyd" |
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17 Feb 2006 04:38:14 AM |
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*nemo* wrote:
In article <qm7av1l2degp87b0f87gg6og2cl3g8a1tf@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
http://www.eff.org/deeplinks/archives/004409.php
RIAA Says Ripping CDs to Your iPod is NOT Fair Use
February 15, 2006
It is no secret that the entertainment oligopolists are not happy about
space-shifting and format-shifting. But surely ripping your own CDs to
your own iPod passes muster, right? In fact, didn't they admit as much
in front of the Supreme Court during the MGM v. Grokster argument last
year?
Apparently not.
Odd... no one appeared to be too bent out of shape when I recorded my
own vinyl records onto my own 8-tracks to play in my car.
I was going to mention something about how familiar this conversation
feels, but you beat me to it..<g>
-Panama Floyd, Atl.
aa#2015, Member Knights of BAAWA!
"..the prayer cloth of one aeon is the doormat of the next."
-Mark Twain
Religious societies are *less* moral than secular ones:
http://moses.creighton.edu/JRS/2005/2005-11.html
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| User: "*nemo*" |
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| Title: Re: RIAA Says Ripping CDs to Your iPod is NOT Fair Use |
17 Feb 2006 05:18:14 PM |
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In article <1140172694.188618.57810@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>,
"Panama Floyd" <panamaflyd@aol.com> wrote:
Odd... no one appeared to be too bent out of shape when I recorded my
own vinyl records onto my own 8-tracks to play in my car.
I was going to mention something about how familiar this conversation
feels, but you beat me to it..<g>
That sort of thing happens when you get up and start posting at bloody
4:00 AM.
-Panama Floyd, Atl.
How's it going down there in the Heart o Dixie?? {;-)
--
Nemo - EAC Commissioner for Bible Belt Underwater Operations.
Atheist #1331 (the Palindrome of doom!)
BAAWA Knight! - One of those warm Southern Knights, y'all!
Charter member, SMASH!!
http://home.earthlink.net/~jehdjh/Relpg.html
Draco Dormiens Nunquam Titillandus
Quotemeister since March 2002
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| User: "Panama Floyd" |
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| Title: Re: RIAA Says Ripping CDs to Your iPod is NOT Fair Use |
17 Feb 2006 08:37:05 PM |
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*nemo* wrote:
In article <1140172694.188618.57810@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>,
"Panama Floyd" <panamaflyd@aol.com> wrote:
Odd... no one appeared to be too bent out of shape when I recorded my
own vinyl records onto my own 8-tracks to play in my car.
I was going to mention something about how familiar this conversation
feels, but you beat me to it..<g>
That sort of thing happens when you get up and start posting at bloody
4:00 AM.
They've changed my shift at work. At 4a, I have two hours left.
-Panama Floyd, Atl.
How's it going down there in the Heart o Dixie?? {;-)
Not bad! Daughter's doing good, we haven't had our ice storm yet, and
the car's running great (205000mi now-best car I ever owned)!
--
Nemo - EAC Commissioner for Bible Belt Underwater Operations.
Atheist #1331 (the Palindrome of doom!)
BAAWA Knight! - One of those warm Southern Knights, y'all!
Charter member, SMASH!!
http://home.earthlink.net/~jehdjh/Relpg.html
Draco Dormiens Nunquam Titillandus
Quotemeister since March 2002
-Panama Floyd, Atl.
aa#2015, Member Knights of BAAWA!
"..the prayer cloth of one aeon is the doormat of the next."
-Mark Twain
Religious societies are *less* moral than secular ones:
http://moses.creighton.edu/JRS/2005/2005-11.html
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| User: "*nemo*" |
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18 Feb 2006 03:36:39 AM |
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In article <1140230225.421515.65900@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
"Panama Floyd" <panamaflyd@aol.com> wrote:
That sort of thing happens when you get up and start posting at bloody
4:00 AM.
They've changed my shift at work. At 4a, I have two hours left.
Ouch. On the other hand, there's no such thing as rush hour for you, is
there? {;-)
-Panama Floyd, Atl.
How's it going down there in the Heart o Dixie?? {;-)
Not bad! Daughter's doing good, we haven't had our ice storm yet, and
the car's running great (205000mi now-best car I ever owned)!
Did I tell you my son is now working on his PhD at Duke? And I still
have my hybrid car. 92,000 miles, and still running with the original
brakes. And averaging 60 mpg in warm weather, 55 in the winter.
Later!
--
Nemo - EAC Commissioner for Bible Belt Underwater Operations.
Atheist #1331 (the Palindrome of doom!)
BAAWA Knight! - One of those warm Southern Knights, y'all!
Charter member, SMASH!!
http://home.earthlink.net/~jehdjh/Relpg.html
Draco Dormiens Nunquam Titillandus
Quotemeister since March 2002
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| User: "Panama Floyd" |
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| Title: Re: RIAA Says Ripping CDs to Your iPod is NOT Fair Use |
18 Feb 2006 03:42:54 AM |
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*nemo* wrote:
In article <1140230225.421515.65900@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
"Panama Floyd" <panamaflyd@aol.com> wrote:
That sort of thing happens when you get up and start posting at bloody
4:00 AM.
They've changed my shift at work. At 4a, I have two hours left.
Ouch. On the other hand, there's no such thing as rush hour for you, is
there? {;-)
-Panama Floyd, Atl.
How's it going down there in the Heart o Dixie?? {;-)
Not bad! Daughter's doing good, we haven't had our ice storm yet, and
the car's running great (205000mi now-best car I ever owned)!
Did I tell you my son is now working on his PhD at Duke?
PhD? Holy diploma, Batman! Damn, they grow up quick, don't they?
And I still
have my hybrid car. 92,000 miles, and still running with the original
brakes. And averaging 60 mpg in warm weather, 55 in the winter.
Original brakes? Either Honda's discovered a new wonder friction
material, or you gotta let me teach you about late-braking sometime!
<g> And about that mpg-does it run it's little gas motor more often to
generate heat?
Later!
C-ya mano!
--
Nemo - EAC Commissioner for Bible Belt Underwater Operations.
Atheist #1331 (the Palindrome of doom!)
BAAWA Knight! - One of those warm Southern Knights, y'all!
Charter member, SMASH!!
http://home.earthlink.net/~jehdjh/Relpg.html
Draco Dormiens Nunquam Titillandus
Quotemeister since March 2002
-Panama Floyd, Atl.
aa#2015, Member Knights of BAAWA!
"..the prayer cloth of one aeon is the doormat of the next."
-Mark Twain
Religious societies are *less* moral than secular ones:
http://moses.creighton.edu/JRS/2005/2005-11.html
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| User: "*nemo*" |
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18 Feb 2006 07:11:43 PM |
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In article <1140255774.255612.241200@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>,
"Panama Floyd" <panamaflyd@aol.com> wrote:
Did I tell you my son is now working on his PhD at Duke?
PhD? Holy diploma, Batman! Damn, they grow up quick, don't they?
Yeah. I look at the photos from when he was a little kid and wonder what
the hell happened...
And I still
have my hybrid car. 92,000 miles, and still running with the original
brakes. And averaging 60 mpg in warm weather, 55 in the winter.
Original brakes? Either Honda's discovered a new wonder friction
material, or you gotta let me teach you about late-braking sometime!
<g>
Heh. I figure a lightweight car and the easy driving habits I learned
doing my best to maximize mileage have made for an interesting side
effect.
And about that mpg-does it run it's little gas motor more often to
generate heat?
Gas motor runs pretty much at all times. The reason the mileage differs
seasonally is that gas vaporizes more readily in warmer temps, so all
cars get worse results in the cold. I notice it because I get constant
readouts of mileage as I drive.
--
Nemo - EAC Commissioner for Bible Belt Underwater Operations.
Atheist #1331 (the Palindrome of doom!)
BAAWA Knight! - One of those warm Southern Knights, y'all!
Charter member, SMASH!!
http://home.earthlink.net/~jehdjh/Relpg.html
Draco Dormiens Nunquam Titillandus
Quotemeister since March 2002
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| User: "BDK" |
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16 Feb 2006 07:47:11 PM |
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In article <qm7av1l2degp87b0f87gg6og2cl3g8a1tf@4ax.com>,
says...
http://www.eff.org/deeplinks/archives/004409.php
RIAA Says Ripping CDs to Your iPod is NOT Fair Use
February 15, 2006
It is no secret that the entertainment oligopolists are not happy about
space-shifting and format-shifting. But surely ripping your own CDs to
your own iPod passes muster, right? In fact, didn't they admit as much
in front of the Supreme Court during the MGM v. Grokster argument last
year?
Apparently not.
As part of the on-going DMCA rule-making proceedings, the RIAA and other
copyright industry associations submitted a filing that included this
gem as part of their argument that space-shifting and format-shifting do
not count as noninfringing uses, even when you are talking about making
copies of your own CDs:
"Nor does the fact that permission to make a copy in particular
circumstances is often or even routinely granted, necessarily establish
that the copying is a fair use when the copyright owner withholds that
authorization. In this regard, the statement attributed to counsel for
copyright owners in the MGM v. Grokster case is simply a statement about
authorization, not about fair use."
For those who may not remember, here's what Don Verrilli said to the
Supreme Court last year:
"The record companies, my clients, have said, for some time now, and
it's been on their website for some time now, that it's perfectly lawful
to take a CD that you've purchased, upload it onto your computer, put it
onto your iPod."
If I understand what the RIAA is saying, "perfectly lawful" means
"lawful until we change our mind." So your ability to continue to make
copies of your own CDs on your own iPod is entirely a matter of their
sufferance. What about all the indie label CDs? Do you have to ask each
of them for permission before ripping your CDs? And what about all the
major label artists who control their own copyrights? Do we all need to
ask them, as well?
P.S.: The same filing also had this to say: "Similarly, creating a
back-up copy of a music CD is not a non-infringing use...."
/end
People need to make it clear to the RIAA and just stop buying ANY music,
until this nonsense stops. Tape it off the radio if you have to have the
latest song, but don't buy anything, and tell them why you aren't buying
it. Sony learned the hard way with their anti-copying BS, the rest of
the music industry needs a shock to jolt them into sanity before they
try it too..
They need to understand that we, the consumers, have the ultimate power
over them. If they don't sell anything, maybe it will wake them up.
Someone should pick a "no buy day", and spread the word, and if people
would just stop buying the stuff, watch them bend over..
BDK
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| User: "Panama Floyd" |
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17 Feb 2006 04:37:00 AM |
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BDK wrote:
In article <qm7av1l2degp87b0f87gg6og2cl3g8a1tf@4ax.com>,
says...
http://www.eff.org/deeplinks/archives/004409.php
RIAA Says Ripping CDs to Your iPod is NOT Fair Use
February 15, 2006
It is no secret that the entertainment oligopolists are not happy about
space-shifting and format-shifting. But surely ripping your own CDs to
your own iPod passes muster, right? In fact, didn't they admit as much
in front of the Supreme Court during the MGM v. Grokster argument last
year?
Apparently not.
As part of the on-going DMCA rule-making proceedings, the RIAA and other
copyright industry associations submitted a filing that included this
gem as part of their argument that space-shifting and format-shifting do
not count as noninfringing uses, even when you are talking about making
copies of your own CDs:
"Nor does the fact that permission to make a copy in particular
circumstances is often or even routinely granted, necessarily establish
that the copying is a fair use when the copyright owner withholds that
authorization. In this regard, the statement attributed to counsel for
copyright owners in the MGM v. Grokster case is simply a statement about
authorization, not about fair use."
For those who may not remember, here's what Don Verrilli said to the
Supreme Court last year:
"The record companies, my clients, have said, for some time now, and
it's been on their website for some time now, that it's perfectly lawful
to take a CD that you've purchased, upload it onto your computer, put it
onto your iPod."
If I understand what the RIAA is saying, "perfectly lawful" means
"lawful until we change our mind." So your ability to continue to make
copies of your own CDs on your own iPod is entirely a matter of their
sufferance. What about all the indie label CDs? Do you have to ask each
of them for permission before ripping your CDs? And what about all the
major label artists who control their own copyrights? Do we all need to
ask them, as well?
P.S.: The same filing also had this to say: "Similarly, creating a
back-up copy of a music CD is not a non-infringing use...."
/end
People need to make it clear to the RIAA and just stop buying ANY music,
until this nonsense stops. Tape it off the radio if you have to have the
latest song, but don't buy anything, and tell them why you aren't buying
it. Sony learned the hard way with their anti-copying BS, the rest of
the music industry needs a shock to jolt them into sanity before they
try it too..
They need to understand that we, the consumers, have the ultimate power
over them. If they don't sell anything, maybe it will wake them up.
Someone should pick a "no buy day", and spread the word, and if people
would just stop buying the stuff, watch them bend over..
I've already quit buying, but for a very different reason. RIAA can
blame digi tech all they want, but until the record companies sign some
musicians in lieu of these alleged "entertainers", I'm keeping my
wallet closed. The morons whine about losing profits while not
releasing any fucking *music*! Good grief. `Alternative'? It's turned
into the Second Coming of Corporate Rock. If Cobain were alive, he'd
kill himself again. Jazz? Light and lame. No fire. No passion. Country?
Pop with a Southern Twang. I think my Wilco CD is the only thing I own
that's less than 15yr. old. It's like the 1950s! There's better music
in almost any nightclub than there is being recorded right now.
sigsnip..good ta see ya, BD!
-Panama Floyd, Atl.
aa#2015, Member Knights of BAAWA!
"..the prayer cloth of one aeon is the doormat of the next."
-Mark Twain
Religious societies are *less* moral than secular ones:
http://moses.creighton.edu/JRS/2005/2005-11.html
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| User: "Uncle Vic" |
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17 Feb 2006 10:06:18 AM |
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on 17 Feb 2006 in alt.atheism, dear sweet Panama Floyd
(panamaflyd@aol.com) made the light shine upon us with this:
I've already quit buying, but for a very different reason. RIAA can
blame digi tech all they want, but until the record companies sign some
musicians in lieu of these alleged "entertainers", I'm keeping my
wallet closed. The morons whine about losing profits while not
releasing any fucking *music*! Good grief. `Alternative'? It's turned
into the Second Coming of Corporate Rock. If Cobain were alive, he'd
kill himself again. Jazz? Light and lame. No fire. No passion. Country?
Pop with a Southern Twang. I think my Wilco CD is the only thing I own
that's less than 15yr. old. It's like the 1950s! There's better music
in almost any nightclub than there is being recorded right now.
Try Spock's Beard. Real music has returned.
--
Uncle Vic
aa#2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department
Official alt.wisdom HELLBOY
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| User: "Jeremy Martin" |
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| Title: Re: RIAA Says Ripping CDs to Your iPod is NOT Fair Use |
17 Feb 2006 10:45:48 AM |
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On Fri, 17 Feb 2006 10:06:18 -0600, Uncle Vic <address@withheld.com>
wrote:
on 17 Feb 2006 in alt.atheism, dear sweet Panama Floyd
(panamaflyd@aol.com) made the light shine upon us with this:
I've already quit buying, but for a very different reason. RIAA can
blame digi tech all they want, but until the record companies sign some
musicians in lieu of these alleged "entertainers", I'm keeping my
wallet closed. The morons whine about losing profits while not
releasing any fucking *music*! Good grief. `Alternative'? It's turned
into the Second Coming of Corporate Rock. If Cobain were alive, he'd
kill himself again. Jazz? Light and lame. No fire. No passion. Country?
Pop with a Southern Twang. I think my Wilco CD is the only thing I own
that's less than 15yr. old. It's like the 1950s! There's better music
in almost any nightclub than there is being recorded right now.
Try Spock's Beard. Real music has returned.
Amen. I assume you know about Neal Morse's departure from the band?
His latest album is a wonderful progressive concept album that is a
praise/worship bit, but it's amazing regardless of your beliefs.
Spock's Beard is one of my favorite bands. :)
j
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| User: "towelie" |
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| Title: Re: RIAA Says Ripping CDs to Your iPod is NOT Fair Use |
17 Feb 2006 01:26:17 PM |
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Jeremy Martin wrote:
On Fri, 17 Feb 2006 10:06:18 -0600, Uncle Vic <address@withheld.com>
wrote:
on 17 Feb 2006 in alt.atheism, dear sweet Panama Floyd
(panamaflyd@aol.com) made the light shine upon us with this:
I've already quit buying, but for a very different reason. RIAA can
blame digi tech all they want, but until the record companies sign
some musicians in lieu of these alleged "entertainers", I'm keeping
my wallet closed. The morons whine about losing profits while not
releasing any fucking *music*! Good grief. `Alternative'? It's
turned into the Second Coming of Corporate Rock. If Cobain were
alive, he'd kill himself again. Jazz? Light and lame. No fire. No
passion. Country? Pop with a Southern Twang. I think my Wilco CD is
the only thing I own that's less than 15yr. old. It's like the
1950s! There's better music in almost any nightclub than there is
being recorded right now.
Try Spock's Beard. Real music has returned.
Amen. I assume you know about Neal Morse's departure from the band?
His latest album is a wonderful progressive concept album that is a
praise/worship bit, but it's amazing regardless of your beliefs.
Welcome back! Are you prepared for the ice storm?
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| User: "Jeremy Martin" |
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| Title: Re: RIAA Says Ripping CDs to Your iPod is NOT Fair Use |
17 Feb 2006 01:50:30 PM |
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On Fri, 17 Feb 2006 13:26:17 -0600, "towelie" <bugoNOSPAM@hotmail.com>
wrote:
Jeremy Martin wrote:
On Fri, 17 Feb 2006 10:06:18 -0600, Uncle Vic <address@withheld.com>
wrote:
on 17 Feb 2006 in alt.atheism, dear sweet Panama Floyd
(panamaflyd@aol.com) made the light shine upon us with this:
I've already quit buying, but for a very different reason. RIAA can
blame digi tech all they want, but until the record companies sign
some musicians in lieu of these alleged "entertainers", I'm keeping
my wallet closed. The morons whine about losing profits while not
releasing any fucking *music*! Good grief. `Alternative'? It's
turned into the Second Coming of Corporate Rock. If Cobain were
alive, he'd kill himself again. Jazz? Light and lame. No fire. No
passion. Country? Pop with a Southern Twang. I think my Wilco CD is
the only thing I own that's less than 15yr. old. It's like the
1950s! There's better music in almost any nightclub than there is
being recorded right now.
Try Spock's Beard. Real music has returned.
Amen. I assume you know about Neal Morse's departure from the band?
His latest album is a wonderful progressive concept album that is a
praise/worship bit, but it's amazing regardless of your beliefs.
Welcome back! Are you prepared for the ice storm?
We'll see, if it actually happens. ;) Now that I've started my college
classes back up, I'd rather have it snow during a class, but hey...
I'll deal with whatever. :)
j
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| User: "towelie" |
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17 Feb 2006 05:20:04 PM |
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Jeremy Martin wrote:
Welcome back! Are you prepared for the ice storm?
We'll see, if it actually happens. ;) Now that I've started my college
classes back up, I'd rather have it snow during a class, but hey...
I'll deal with whatever. :)
Well they expect the ice to stick around until at least Monday, so you might
get a day off then.
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| User: "Uncle Vic" |
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17 Feb 2006 01:55:11 PM |
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on 17 Feb 2006 in alt.atheism, dear sweet Jeremy Martin
(jeremy@jeremiads.com) made the light shine upon us with this:
On Fri, 17 Feb 2006 10:06:18 -0600, Uncle Vic <address@withheld.com>
wrote:
on 17 Feb 2006 in alt.atheism, dear sweet Panama Floyd
(panamaflyd@aol.com) made the light shine upon us with this:
I've already quit buying, but for a very different reason. RIAA can
blame digi tech all they want, but until the record companies sign
some musicians in lieu of these alleged "entertainers", I'm keeping
my wallet closed. The morons whine about losing profits while not
releasing any fucking *music*! Good grief. `Alternative'? It's
turned into the Second Coming of Corporate Rock. If Cobain were
alive, he'd kill himself again. Jazz? Light and lame. No fire. No
passion. Country? Pop with a Southern Twang. I think my Wilco CD is
the only thing I own that's less than 15yr. old. It's like the
1950s! There's better music in almost any nightclub than there is
being recorded right now.
Try Spock's Beard. Real music has returned.
Amen. I assume you know about Neal Morse's departure from the band?
His latest album is a wonderful progressive concept album that is a
praise/worship bit, but it's amazing regardless of your beliefs.
Spock's Beard is one of my favorite bands. :)
j
I saw them live about a year ago, with Nick as frontman. Most bands
don't survive the loss of a frontman, but they have released two albums
since Neal left - to become a holy roller (ugh).
--
Uncle Vic
aa#2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department
Official alt.wisdom HELLBOY
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| User: "Jeremy Martin" |
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17 Feb 2006 05:18:37 PM |
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On Fri, 17 Feb 2006 13:55:11 -0600, Uncle Vic <address@withheld.com>
wrote:
on 17 Feb 2006 in alt.atheism, dear sweet Jeremy Martin
(jeremy@jeremiads.com) made the light shine upon us with this:
On Fri, 17 Feb 2006 10:06:18 -0600, Uncle Vic <address@withheld.com>
wrote:
on 17 Feb 2006 in alt.atheism, dear sweet Panama Floyd
(panamaflyd@aol.com) made the light shine upon us with this:
I've already quit buying, but for a very different reason. RIAA can
blame digi tech all they want, but until the record companies sign
some musicians in lieu of these alleged "entertainers", I'm keeping
my wallet closed. The morons whine about losing profits while not
releasing any fucking *music*! Good grief. `Alternative'? It's
turned into the Second Coming of Corporate Rock. If Cobain were
alive, he'd kill himself again. Jazz? Light and lame. No fire. No
passion. Country? Pop with a Southern Twang. I think my Wilco CD is
the only thing I own that's less than 15yr. old. It's like the
1950s! There's better music in almost any nightclub than there is
being recorded right now.
Try Spock's Beard. Real music has returned.
Amen. I assume you know about Neal Morse's departure from the band?
His latest album is a wonderful progressive concept album that is a
praise/worship bit, but it's amazing regardless of your beliefs.
Spock's Beard is one of my favorite bands. :)
j
I saw them live about a year ago, with Nick as frontman. Most bands
don't survive the loss of a frontman, but they have released two albums
since Neal left - to become a holy roller (ugh).
When Neal left for his calling, it frightened me. Thankfully, his
albums have sounded more like Spock Beard than Spock Beard itself did,
so I can definitely see where the song-writing came from.
Plus, Portnoy plays on his latest solo release I described earlier.
It's an amazing album.
j
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| User: "Panama Floyd" |
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17 Feb 2006 08:40:20 PM |
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Jeremy Martin wrote:
On Fri, 17 Feb 2006 13:55:11 -0600, Uncle Vic <address@withheld.com>
wrote:
on 17 Feb 2006 in alt.atheism, dear sweet Jeremy Martin
(jeremy@jeremiads.com) made the light shine upon us with this:
On Fri, 17 Feb 2006 10:06:18 -0600, Uncle Vic <address@withheld.com>
wrote:
on 17 Feb 2006 in alt.atheism, dear sweet Panama Floyd
(panamaflyd@aol.com) made the light shine upon us with this:
I've already quit buying, but for a very different reason. RIAA can
blame digi tech all they want, but until the record companies sign
some musicians in lieu of these alleged "entertainers", I'm keeping
my wallet closed. The morons whine about losing profits while not
releasing any fucking *music*! Good grief. `Alternative'? It's
turned into the Second Coming of Corporate Rock. If Cobain were
alive, he'd kill himself again. Jazz? Light and lame. No fire. No
passion. Country? Pop with a Southern Twang. I think my Wilco CD is
the only thing I own that's less than 15yr. old. It's like the
1950s! There's better music in almost any nightclub than there is
being recorded right now.
Try Spock's Beard. Real music has returned.
Amen. I assume you know about Neal Morse's departure from the band?
His latest album is a wonderful progressive concept album that is a
praise/worship bit, but it's amazing regardless of your beliefs.
Spock's Beard is one of my favorite bands. :)
j
I saw them live about a year ago, with Nick as frontman. Most bands
don't survive the loss of a frontman, but they have released two albums
since Neal left - to become a holy roller (ugh).
When Neal left for his calling, it frightened me. Thankfully, his
albums have sounded more like Spock Beard than Spock Beard itself did,
so I can definitely see where the song-writing came from.
Plus, Portnoy plays on his latest solo release I described earlier.
It's an amazing album.
Well, it definitely sounds like it's something worth investigating.
Thanks for the tip.
And welcome back, Jeremy!
-Panama Floyd, Atl.
aa#2015, Member Knights of BAAWA!
"..the prayer cloth of one aeon is the doormat of the next."
-Mark Twain
Religious societies are *less* moral than secular ones:
http://moses.creighton.edu/JRS/2005/2005-11.html
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| User: "Uncle Vic" |
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17 Feb 2006 05:44:48 PM |
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on 17 Feb 2006 in alt.atheism, dear sweet Jeremy Martin
(jeremy@jeremiads.com) made the light shine upon us with this:
On Fri, 17 Feb 2006 13:55:11 -0600, Uncle Vic <address@withheld.com>
wrote:
on 17 Feb 2006 in alt.atheism, dear sweet Jeremy Martin
(jeremy@jeremiads.com) made the light shine upon us with this:
On Fri, 17 Feb 2006 10:06:18 -0600, Uncle Vic
<address@withheld.com> wrote:
on 17 Feb 2006 in alt.atheism, dear sweet Panama Floyd
(panamaflyd@aol.com) made the light shine upon us with this:
I've already quit buying, but for a very different reason. RIAA
can blame digi tech all they want, but until the record companies
sign some musicians in lieu of these alleged "entertainers", I'm
keeping my wallet closed. The morons whine about losing profits
while not releasing any fucking *music*! Good grief.
`Alternative'? It's turned into the Second Coming of Corporate
Rock. If Cobain were alive, he'd kill himself again. Jazz? Light
and lame. No fire. No passion. Country? Pop with a Southern
Twang. I think my Wilco CD is the only thing I own that's less
than 15yr. old. It's like the 1950s! There's better music in
almost any nightclub than there is being recorded right now.
Try Spock's Beard. Real music has returned.
Amen. I assume you know about Neal Morse's departure from the band?
His latest album is a wonderful progressive concept album that is a
praise/worship bit, but it's amazing regardless of your beliefs.
Spock's Beard is one of my favorite bands. :)
j
I saw them live about a year ago, with Nick as frontman. Most bands
don't survive the loss of a frontman, but they have released two
albums since Neal left - to become a holy roller (ugh).
When Neal left for his calling, it frightened me. Thankfully, his
albums have sounded more like Spock Beard than Spock Beard itself
did, so I can definitely see where the song-writing came from.
Plus, Portnoy plays on his latest solo release I described earlier.
It's an amazing album.
Yes, I have it...
--
Uncle Vic
aa#2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department
Official alt.wisdom HELLBOY
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| User: "Rune B" |
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17 Feb 2006 05:56:14 AM |
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On Thu, 16 Feb 2006 20:47:11 -0500, BDK
<kingratay@buckeye-express.com> wrote:
People need to make it clear to the RIAA and just stop buying ANY music,
until this nonsense stops. Tape it off the radio if you have to have the
latest song, but don't buy anything, and tell them why you aren't buying
I haven't bought a CD since the early 90's when they suddenly inflated
the prices here. And downloading and sharing is legal here, so hey,
***** the RIAA.
They need to understand that we, the consumers, have the ultimate power
over them. If they don't sell anything, maybe it will wake them up.
Problem is... the rest of the masses are buying. Though sales as I
understand it are now dropping especially in the US. Norway and France
have legalized file sharing and music downloading. CD music sales are
on the rise.
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WWJD! What Would Jack (Bauer) Do?
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| User: "Uncle Vic" |
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17 Feb 2006 10:20:55 AM |
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on 17 Feb 2006 in alt.atheism, dear sweet Rune B (nobody@nowhere.net) made
the light shine upon us with this:
They need to understand that we, the consumers, have the ultimate power
over them. If they don't sell anything, maybe it will wake them up.
Problem is... the rest of the masses are buying.
No *****. Try keeping my kids out of a record store.
--
Uncle Vic
aa#2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department
Official alt.wisdom HELLBOY
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| User: "" |
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18 Feb 2006 08:31:03 AM |
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On Fri, 17 Feb 2006 10:20:55 -0600, Uncle Vic <address@withheld.com>
wrote:
on 17 Feb 2006 in alt.atheism, dear sweet Rune B (nobody@nowhere.net) made
the light shine upon us with this:
They need to understand that we, the consumers, have the ultimate power
over them. If they don't sell anything, maybe it will wake them up.
Problem is... the rest of the masses are buying.
No *****. Try keeping my kids out of a record store.
What's a "record store"?
Hee, hee! :-D
(I say it too)
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| User: "Uncle Vic" |
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18 Feb 2006 01:57:34 PM |
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on 18 Feb 2006 in alt.atheism, dear sweet
(zamboni30000@knowshpamatyahoo.com) made the light shine upon us with
this:
On Fri, 17 Feb 2006 10:20:55 -0600, Uncle Vic <address@withheld.com>
wrote:
on 17 Feb 2006 in alt.atheism, dear sweet Rune B (nobody@nowhere.net)
made the light shine upon us with this:
They need to understand that we, the consumers, have the ultimate
power over them. If they don't sell anything, maybe it will wake
them up.
Problem is... the rest of the masses are buying.
No *****. Try keeping my kids out of a record store.
What's a "record store"?
Hee, hee! :-D
(I say it too)
Yup. "CD Store" still doesn't sound right.
--
Uncle Vic
aa#2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department
Official alt.wisdom HELLBOY
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| User: "Rune B" |
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17 Feb 2006 05:54:08 AM |
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On Thu, 16 Feb 2006 16:56:05 -0800, stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
http://www.eff.org/deeplinks/archives/004409.php
RIAA Says Ripping CDs to Your iPod is NOT Fair Use
Of course not. They're a monopoly. They want you to buy the same
products over and over every 5-10 years. Vinyl, tape, CD, DVD,
mp3/digital downloadable audio, DVD Blue.
--
WWJD! What Would Jack (Bauer) Do?
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| User: "Jeremy Martin" |
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17 Feb 2006 07:22:01 AM |
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On Fri, 17 Feb 2006 12:54:08 +0100, Rune B <nobody@nowhere.net> wrote:
On Thu, 16 Feb 2006 16:56:05 -0800, stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
http://www.eff.org/deeplinks/archives/004409.php
RIAA Says Ripping CDs to Your iPod is NOT Fair Use
Of course not. They're a monopoly. They want you to buy the same
products over and over every 5-10 years. Vinyl, tape, CD, DVD,
mp3/digital downloadable audio, DVD Blue.
My favorite part is how, in the same filing, they claimed that backing
up a CD for protection against loss is still considered fair use.
The RIAA is an evil little demon. Er, I guess it's a pretty large,
bloated, son-of-a-***** of a demon, but still.
j
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| User: "Rune B" |
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17 Feb 2006 09:48:53 AM |
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On Fri, 17 Feb 2006 07:22:01 -0600, Jeremy Martin
<jeremy@jeremiads.com> wrote:
The RIAA is an evil little demon. Er, I guess it's a pretty large,
bloated, son-of-a-***** of a demon, but still.
Nothing is more american than the music industry... Al Qaida should
attack the RIAA and motion picture association! :-D
--
WWJD! What Would Jack (Bauer) Do?
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| User: "stoney" |
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17 Feb 2006 05:45:01 PM |
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On Fri, 17 Feb 2006 07:22:01 -0600, Jeremy Martin <jeremy@jeremiads.com>
wrote in alt.atheism
On Fri, 17 Feb 2006 12:54:08 +0100, Rune B <nobody@nowhere.net> wrote:
On Thu, 16 Feb 2006 16:56:05 -0800, stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
http://www.eff.org/deeplinks/archives/004409.php
RIAA Says Ripping CDs to Your iPod is NOT Fair Use
Of course not. They're a monopoly. They want you to buy the same
products over and over every 5-10 years. Vinyl, tape, CD, DVD,
mp3/digital downloadable audio, DVD Blue.
My favorite part is how, in the same filing, they claimed that backing
up a CD for protection against loss is still considered fair use.
The RIAA is an evil little demon. Er, I guess it's a pretty large,
bloated, son-of-a-***** of a demon, but still.
And RIAA can go fornicate itself.
--
Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to
shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
be 'blessed' with a cornucopia of splinters.
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| User: "Jeremy Martin" |
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17 Feb 2006 06:00:05 PM |
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On Fri, 17 Feb 2006 15:45:01 -0800, stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Fri, 17 Feb 2006 07:22:01 -0600, Jeremy Martin <jeremy@jeremiads.com>
wrote in alt.atheism
On Fri, 17 Feb 2006 12:54:08 +0100, Rune B <nobody@nowhere.net> wrote:
On Thu, 16 Feb 2006 16:56:05 -0800, stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
http://www.eff.org/deeplinks/archives/004409.php
RIAA Says Ripping CDs to Your iPod is NOT Fair Use
Of course not. They're a monopoly. They want you to buy the same
products over and over every 5-10 years. Vinyl, tape, CD, DVD,
mp3/digital downloadable audio, DVD Blue.
My favorite part is how, in the same filing, they claimed that backing
up a CD for protection against loss is still considered fair use.
The RIAA is an evil little demon. Er, I guess it's a pretty large,
bloated, son-of-a-***** of a demon, but still.
And RIAA can go fornicate itself.
As large as it is, it can probably do so multiple times
simultaneously.
j
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| User: "Doc Smartass" |
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17 Feb 2006 09:02:09 PM |
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Jeremy Martin <jeremy@jeremiads.com> wrote in
news:8rocv11j8ncpvbrpnuusnglp4g2gfn308k@4ax.com:
On Fri, 17 Feb 2006 15:45:01 -0800, stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Fri, 17 Feb 2006 07:22:01 -0600, Jeremy Martin
<jeremy@jeremiads.com>
wrote in alt.atheism
On Fri, 17 Feb 2006 12:54:08 +0100, Rune B <nobody@nowhere.net> wrote:
On Thu, 16 Feb 2006 16:56:05 -0800, stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
http://www.eff.org/deeplinks/archives/004409.php
RIAA Says Ripping CDs to Your iPod is NOT Fair Use
Of course not. They're a monopoly. They want you to buy the same
products over and over every 5-10 years. Vinyl, tape, CD, DVD,
mp3/digital downloadable audio, DVD Blue.
My favorite part is how, in the same filing, they claimed that backing
up a CD for protection against loss is still considered fair use.
The RIAA is an evil little demon. Er, I guess it's a pretty large,
bloated, son-of-a-***** of a demon, but still.
And RIAA can go fornicate itself.
As large as it is, it can probably do so multiple times
simultaneously.
If they didn't, no new recording contracts would get signed.
--
Doc Smartass XP - New Interface, Same Old *****
Keep THOR in THURSDAY!
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| User: "Uncle Vic" |
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17 Feb 2006 09:20:19 PM |
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Once upon a time in alt.atheism, dear sweet Doc Smartass
(gekido@astroskivviesboymail.com) made the light shine upon us with this:
And RIAA can go fornicate itself.
As large as it is, it can probably do so multiple times
simultaneously.
If they didn't, no new recording contracts would get signed.
Is that a promise?
--
Uncle Vic
aa Atheist #2011, aw Hellboy #5
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department
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| User: "Doc Smartass" |
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| Title: Re: RIAA Says Ripping CDs to Your iPod is NOT Fair Use |
18 Feb 2006 10:54:37 PM |
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Uncle Vic <address@withheld.com> wrote in news:Xns976DC49291A05vicman@
216.196.97.136:
Once upon a time in alt.atheism, dear sweet Doc Smartass
(gekido@astroskivviesboymail.com) made the light shine upon us with
this:
And RIAA can go fornicate itself.
As large as it is, it can probably do so multiple times
simultaneously.
If they didn't, no new recording contracts would get signed.
Is that a promise?
Must be--it's how _________________ (insert latest starlet's name here)
got her break!
--
Doc Smartass
RIAA the RIAA!
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