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06 Dec 2003 12:51:34 PM |
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Robert Nicoletti |
....And here we have FCAS first member Robert Nicoletti.
For showing imense hatred toward JW's just Like Carol Mike Krobez
has placed him as a Friend of Carol.
Jehovah's Witness church destroyed in arson
http://www.heraldtribune.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20031130/APN/311300876
Jehovah's Witness church destroyed in arson,
teenager charged. WESTFIELD, Mass. --
A teenager was charged with setting a fire that destroyed a Jehovah's
Witness Kingdom Hall Sunday morning, officials said.
Robert Nicoletti, 18, of Westfield, was arrested after he was seen
leaving the area of the church. The fire was reported shortly before 6
a.m.
No one was injured, but the two-alarm blaze gutted the church on
Southwick Road, according to Deputy Fire Chief Joseph Pac. A nearby
storage shed that Nicoletti allegedly broke into was also destroyed.
State Fire Marshal Stephen D. Coan estimated the damage at between
$400,000 to $500,000.
a suspicious liquid that may be gasoline was found around the
building, and that apparently sped up the fire's spread. He said it
took about two hours to get the fire under control.
The fire was not thought to be a hate crime.
Nicoletti was being held Sunday on $10,000 cash bail and was
scheduled to be arraigned Monday morning in Westfield District Court
for burning a building and breaking and entering.
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| User: "Hatsenas" |
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07 Dec 2003 07:24:21 PM |
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"Al Klein" <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message
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On 6 Dec 2003 10:51:34 -0800, (JaBrIoL) posted in
alt.atheism:
...And here we have FCAS first member Robert Nicoletti.
For showing imense hatred toward JW's just Like Carol Mike Krobez
has placed him as a Friend of Carol.
Did he say why he burned it down? Did he even admit to doing it?
No, but don't let reality get in your way.
--
"My position concerning God is that of an agnostic. I am convinced that a
vivid
consciousness of the primary importance of moral principles for the
betterment and
ennoblement of life does not need the idea of a law-giver, especially a
law-giver who
works on the basis of reward and punishment. "
- Letter to M. Berkowitz, October 25, 1950; Einstein Archive 59-215
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But how do we, and why do we learn these laws of life and eventually of
LOVE?
Because 'God' is there, here, everywhere, within us all, and we learn life's
lessons, either by conversations or direct experience, some by lateral
thinking, when they see nature and compare it to their own existence.
God moves in mysterious ways, and loves us all!
Respect Love and Forgiveness,
Through Enlightenment.
Hatsenas
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| User: "Hatsenas" |
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09 Dec 2003 04:47:48 PM |
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"Al Klein" <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message
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On Mon, 8 Dec 2003 01:24:21 -0000, "Hatsenas"
<hatsenas@spamstopyahoo.co.uk> posted in alt.atheism:
But how do we, and why do we learn these laws of life and eventually of
LOVE?
Because 'God' is there
Nope. Gorillas don't believe in any god, but they're capable of love.
Chimpanzees don't believe in any god, but they're capable of love.
Takes one to know one?-) Sorry you did leave yourself wide open to that one
LOL
Laughing aside you can love too, can't you?
God moves in mysterious ways, and loves us all!
Respect Love and Forgiveness,
Through Enlightenment.
But not a drop of actual evidence.
Life is your evidence, gallons of it. Going out searching is good, but
realise that within lies your own evidence and actually, it is compelling
and proof enough.
The realisation, for me, that my uncle made clear indications from beyond
the grave, and he was always the first to say "It's a loada **** & ********"
when he was alive.
But he also knew how to Love.
Godbless him
And you.
ALL of you
To hear or read the answer, listen, see and be open to, the message that
contains it.
I no longer believe in coincidence.
Hatsenas
~^Q^~
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Gospel: "Ye
shall be indifferent as to what your neighbor's religion is." Not merely
tolerant of it,
but indifferent to it. Divinity is claimed for many religions; but no
religion is great
enough or divine enough to add that new law to its code."
- Mark Twain, a Biography
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Ah! what truer words can be said, Nice One! Thanks God!
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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09 Dec 2003 08:57:26 PM |
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On Tue, 9 Dec 2003 22:47:48 -0000, "Hatsenas"
<hatsenas@spamstopyahoo.co.uk> posted in alt.atheism:
"Al Klein" <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message
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On Mon, 8 Dec 2003 01:24:21 -0000, "Hatsenas"
<hatsenas@spamstopyahoo.co.uk> posted in alt.atheism:
But how do we, and why do we learn these laws of life and eventually of
LOVE?
Because 'God' is there
Nope. Gorillas don't believe in any god, but they're capable of love.
Chimpanzees don't believe in any god, but they're capable of love.
Takes one to know one?-) Sorry you did leave yourself wide open to that one
LOL
Laughing aside you can love too, can't you?
Totally non sequitur. Do you have anything relevant to say?
God moves in mysterious ways, and loves us all!
Respect Love and Forgiveness,
Through Enlightenment.
But not a drop of actual evidence.
Life is your evidence, gallons of it.
Evidence that life exists, yes. I was talking of objective evidence
of your god. Not a drop.
Going out searching is good, but realise that within lies your own evidence
Learn what "objective" means.
and actually, it is compelling and proof enough.
Only if you already believe. Sane people need actual evidence.
The realisation, for me, that my uncle made clear indications from beyond
the grave, and he was always the first to say "It's a loada **** & ********"
when he was alive.
Whoopie. But not the slightest shred of objective evidence of any
god.
To hear or read the answer, listen, see and be open to, the message that
contains it.
Believing is seeing? Evidence of insanity.
I no longer believe in coincidence.
You'd believe in any foolish thing. You already do.
So I guess you *didn't* have anything relevant to add.
--
"My position concerning God is that of an agnostic. I am convinced that a vivid
consciousness of the primary importance of moral principles for the betterment and
ennoblement of life does not need the idea of a law-giver, especially a law-giver who
works on the basis of reward and punishment. "
- Letter to M. Berkowitz, October 25, 1950; Einstein Archive 59-215
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| User: "Hatsenas" |
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12 Dec 2003 08:20:45 PM |
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"Al Klein" <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message
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On Tue, 9 Dec 2003 22:47:48 -0000, "Hatsenas"
<hatsenas@spamstopyahoo.co.uk> posted in alt.atheism:
"Al Klein" <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message
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On Mon, 8 Dec 2003 01:24:21 -0000, "Hatsenas"
<hatsenas@spamstopyahoo.co.uk> posted in alt.atheism:
But how do we, and why do we learn these laws of life and eventually
of
LOVE?
Because 'God' is there
Nope. Gorillas don't believe in any god, but they're capable of love.
Chimpanzees don't believe in any god, but they're capable of love.
Takes one to know one?-) Sorry you did leave yourself wide open to that
one
LOL
Laughing aside you can love too, can't you?
Totally non sequitur. Do you have anything relevant to say?
God moves in mysterious ways, and loves us all!
Respect Love and Forgiveness,
Through Enlightenment.
But not a drop of actual evidence.
Life is your evidence, gallons of it.
Evidence that life exists, yes. I was talking of objective evidence
of your god. Not a drop.
There are none so deaf as they don't want to hear. You want the easy way,
the cooks guide, but you work so hard against it you make hard graft of
light work.
Why don't you experiment, with say providence? Try asking God for something
you really need. That works for me now. Then ask for something vain, or
stupid, status symbol(if you just didn't already)money , or power! A good
scientific experiment.
Going out searching is good, but realise that within lies your own
evidence
Learn what "objective" means.
I feel you really need a proper one.
and actually, it is compelling and proof enough.
Only if you already believe. Sane people need actual evidence.
"Sane" people go around telling people they are that, just trying to
convince themselves that they are right and everyone else and God are wrong.
The realisation, for me, that my uncle made clear indications from beyond
the grave, and he was always the first to say "It's a loada **** &
********"
when he was alive.
Whoopie. But not the slightest shred of objective evidence of any
god.
Why should God be what your limited mind perceives a God should be?
Tell me exactly what constitutes light beams, particles or waves? The truth
is greater than the sum of the parts.
But note this clear message...
There is no other way to God, other than Godly Ways!
Prove that that is wrong, and you'll prove God doesn't exist. That will be
easy enough for you?
To hear or read the answer, listen, see and be open to, the message that
contains it.
Believing is seeing? Evidence of insanity.
Trying the lifestyle, putting others first, is not insanity, it is love.
I no longer believe in coincidence.
You'd believe in any foolish thing. You already do.
I believed in vanity once, I'll not deny it.
I believed money was an answer to all problems, I'll not deny that.
I believed vengeance was right...that too!
But now I am a full human being, loving myself, God and others.
Those childish and insane things I'll put aside.
So I guess you *didn't* have anything relevant to add.
Nah not much...thank-you and God Bless for Inspiring me!-)
~^Q^~
Life and how we live it is its own reward...or punishment.
If you want happiness, don't strive for happiness, strive for others'
happiness.
YOU will Both be happy.
--
"My position concerning God is that of an agnostic. I am convinced that a
vivid
consciousness of the primary importance of moral principles for the
betterment and
ennoblement of life does not need the idea of a law-giver, especially a
law-giver who
works on the basis of reward and punishment. "
- Letter to M. Berkowitz, October 25, 1950; Einstein Archive 59-215
I read that as
"I don't believe in a lawgiving/reward making/punishing God" is that awrong
summary?
Explain why?
A little more enlightened than those who wish to twist his words out of
context.
He is agnostic, he says, anti-church rules, not anti god, gods or God there!
Also, importantly, Einstein appears to be anti 'hellfire and damnation'
god...me too!
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Godbless
Peace Love and Enlightenment
Hatsenas
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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14 Dec 2003 01:01:32 PM |
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On Sat, 13 Dec 2003 02:20:45 -0000, "Hatsenas"
<hatsenas@spamstopyahoo.co.uk> posted in alt.atheism:
"Al Klein" <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message
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On Tue, 9 Dec 2003 22:47:48 -0000, "Hatsenas"
<hatsenas@spamstopyahoo.co.uk> posted in alt.atheism:
"Al Klein" <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message
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On Mon, 8 Dec 2003 01:24:21 -0000, "Hatsenas"
<hatsenas@spamstopyahoo.co.uk> posted in alt.atheism:
God moves in mysterious ways, and loves us all!
Respect Love and Forgiveness,
Through Enlightenment.
But not a drop of actual evidence.
Life is your evidence, gallons of it.
Evidence that life exists, yes. I was talking of objective evidence
of your god. Not a drop.
There are none so deaf as they don't want to hear. You want the easy way,
the cooks guide, but you work so hard against it you make hard graft of
light work.
IOW you have none.
Why don't you experiment, with say providence? Try asking God for something
you really need. That works for me now. Then ask for something vain, or
stupid, status symbol(if you just didn't already)money , or power! A good
scientific experiment.
Been done, millions of times over thousands of years. The only sane
conclusion that can be drawn is that your god is indistinguishable
from no god. (Do you really think that everyone who bled to death
slowly didn't ask their god for help? Or do you maintain that life
isn't something we really need.)
Going out searching is good, but realise that within lies your own evidence
Learn what "objective" means.
I feel you really need a proper one.
I have one. You have no evidence. Stop trying to change the subject.
and actually, it is compelling and proof enough.
Only if you already believe. Sane people need actual evidence.
"Sane" people go around telling people they are that, just trying to
convince themselves that they are right and everyone else and God are wrong.
Religious belief is a mental illness. Nothing more need be said, nor
can anything more be said. The mentally ill always claim that they
aren't mentally ill.
The realisation, for me, that my uncle made clear indications from beyond
the grave, and he was always the first to say "It's a loada **** &
********"
when he was alive.
Whoopie. But not the slightest shred of objective evidence of any
god.
Why should God be what your limited mind perceives a God should be?
We're talking about the Christian god, as defined by Christianity.
Tell me exactly what constitutes light beams, particles or waves?
We have objective evidence of light. We have none of any god.
But note this clear message...
There is no other way to God, other than Godly Ways!
Prove that that is wrong
No need. The way it works is that you have to provide proof that your
assertion is true, not that others have to provide proof that it
isn't. (If you're correct, prove that Zeus doesn't exist. If you
can't your god can't exist, since Zeus wouldn't allow it.)
To hear or read the answer, listen, see and be open to, the message that
contains it.
Believing is seeing? Evidence of insanity.
Trying the lifestyle, putting others first, is not insanity, it is love.
That's nice, but we're talking about Christianity, and Christians
don't put others first, unless those others are of the same Christian
sect.
I no longer believe in coincidence.
You'd believe in any foolish thing. You already do.
I believed in vanity once, I'll not deny it.
I believed money was an answer to all problems, I'll not deny that.
I believed vengeance was right...that too!
But now I am a full human being, loving myself, God and others.
As I said, foolish things.
Those childish and insane things I'll put aside.
Good. Let us know when you have.
So I guess you *didn't* have anything relevant to add.
Nah not much...thank-you and God Bless
Lacking the sanity to see how insulting that is? Not that anyone
cares.
"My position concerning God is that of an agnostic. I am convinced that a vivid
consciousness of the primary importance of moral principles for the betterment and
ennoblement of life does not need the idea of a law-giver, especially a law-giver who
works on the basis of reward and punishment. "
- Letter to M. Berkowitz, October 25, 1950; Einstein Archive 59-215
I read that as
"I don't believe in a lawgiving/reward making/punishing God" is that awrong
summary?
Yes.
Explain why?
Einstein understood the language he used. Therefore:
"My position concerning God is that of an agnostic." meant "I'm not
going to draw any conclusions about God because I have no evidence."
The rest simply reiterates all his other statements about religion.
He believed in Spinoza's god, that is, the cause of the universe is
the universe. That there is no thinking, acting entity akin to what
people call gods. Lawgiving/reward
making/punishing/thinking/doing/existing. None of that.
A little more enlightened than those who wish to twist his words out of context.
He is agnostic, he says, anti-church rules, not anti god, gods or God there!
No, he used "agnostic" as it was coined - to mean that he doesn't make
claims about things he has no evidence about. The rest of that
paragraph had very little to do with agnosticism.
Also, importantly, Einstein appears to be anti 'hellfire and damnation'
god...me too!
He wasn't anti- anything. He just saw no evidence of any god. That's
why he said "agnostic".
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14 Dec 2003 01:17:24 PM |
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Al Klein articulated:
Religious belief is a mental illness. Nothing more need be
said, nor can anything more be said.
Nothing more might need saying, but you wanna expand that anyway please?
The mentally ill always claim that they aren't mentally ill.
Always? I doubt it.
That's nice, but we're talking about Christianity, and
Christians don't put others first, unless those others are
of the same Christian sect.
Some Christians do - so stop generalising! <g>
"My position concerning God is that of an agnostic. I
am convinced that a vivid consciousness of the primary
importance of moral principles for the betterment and
ennoblement of life does not need the idea of a
law-giver, especially a law-giver who works on the
basis of reward and punishment. "
Letter to M. Berkowitz, October 25, 1950; Einstein Archive 59-215
Reads to me that he's saying life doesn't _need_ gods rather than
commenting either way on their existence?
--
Trin....... is both and neither.
Treat your lover as your god, and your god as your lover.
www.lokeandimensions.com
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| User: "Hatsenas" |
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14 Dec 2003 04:13:34 PM |
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"Trin" <trinity.nospam@btinternet.com> wrote in message
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Al Klein articulated:
Religious belief is a mental illness. Nothing more need be
said, nor can anything more be said.
Nothing more might need saying, but you wanna expand that anyway please?
The mentally ill always claim that they aren't mentally ill.
Always? I doubt it.
That's nice, but we're talking about Christianity, and
Christians don't put others first, unless those others are
of the same Christian sect.
Some Christians do - so stop generalising! <g>
"My position concerning God is that of an agnostic. I
am convinced that a vivid consciousness of the primary
importance of moral principles for the betterment and
ennoblement of life does not need the idea of a
law-giver, especially a law-giver who works on the
basis of reward and punishment. "
Letter to M. Berkowitz, October 25, 1950; Einstein Archive 59-215
Reads to me that he's saying life doesn't _need_ gods rather than
commenting either way on their existence?
SharpTrin Very sharp>>>
nice one!
Hatsenas
~^Q^~
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Treat your lover as your god, and your god as your lover.
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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14 Dec 2003 08:51:41 PM |
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On Sun, 14 Dec 2003 19:17:24 -0000, Trin
<trinity.nospam@btinternet.com> posted in alt.atheism:
Al Klein articulated:
Religious belief is a mental illness. Nothing more need be
said, nor can anything more be said.
Nothing more might need saying, but you wanna expand that anyway please?
If an adult told you that he had an invisible, non-corporeal friend
who could defy the laws of physics - and he really believed that -
would you consider him completely sane?
That's exactly what theists are saying. And that this friend,
although he created the entire universe - out of nothing - cares about
every single thing the person does or thinks.
The mentally ill always claim that they aren't mentally ill.
Always? I doubt it.
It was hyperbole.
That's nice, but we're talking about Christianity, and
Christians don't put others first, unless those others are
of the same Christian sect.
Some Christians do - so stop generalising! <g>
Yeah, okay. Mea culpa.
"My position concerning God is that of an agnostic. I
am convinced that a vivid consciousness of the primary
importance of moral principles for the betterment and
ennoblement of life does not need the idea of a
law-giver, especially a law-giver who works on the
basis of reward and punishment. "
Letter to M. Berkowitz, October 25, 1950; Einstein Archive 59-215
Reads to me that he's saying life doesn't _need_ gods rather than
commenting either way on their existence?
His only comment on God's existence (he was only talking about that
one god) was "My position concerning God is that of an agnostic."
IOW, no comment, since he had no evidence. But yes on our needing
(or, rather, not needing) God.
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"Every sensible man, every honest man, must hold the christian sect in horror. 'But what
shall we substitute in its place?' you say. What? A ferocious animal has sucked the
blood of my relatives. I tell you to rid yourselves of this beast and you ask me what
you shall put in its place?" - Voltaire
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| User: "Varicose Brain" |
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13 Dec 2003 11:57:40 PM |
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On Sat, 13 Dec 2003 02:20:45 -0000, "Hatsenas"
<hatsenas@spamstopyahoo.co.uk> wrote:
There are none so deaf as they don't want to hear. You want the easy way,
the cooks guide, but you work so hard against it you make hard graft of
light work.
Why don't you experiment, with say providence? Try asking God for something
you really need. That works for me now. Then ask for something vain, or
stupid, status symbol(if you just didn't already)money , or power! A good
scientific experiment.
If one is sick and wants to be well, that could actually work either
way. Your health could be something that you really need, or something
that is vain. You could be cured, which would be a prayer answered, or
you could get worse and die, which could also be construed as a prayer
answer (Hey, you're not sick anymore if you're dead, right?) Or you
could just gradually get worse and them die, in which case the prayer
would still be answered.
Or if you pray for a close relative, that relative gets well, and the
prayer is answered. The relative could linger on and then die, and the
prayer is answered because their "suffering has ended" and that is
also a prayer answered.
In any case, believers in this crap will say that prayer works.
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| User: "Hatsenas" |
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14 Dec 2003 03:18:24 PM |
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I'll pray your varicose brain heals, then you may get to experience real
life and not be rude! My prayer would be answered!-)
Godbless
Hatsenas
~^Q^~
"Varicose Brain" <lacruiser@aol.com> wrote in message
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On Sat, 13 Dec 2003 02:20:45 -0000, "Hatsenas"
<hatsenas@spamstopyahoo.co.uk> wrote:
There are none so deaf as they don't want to hear. You want the easy
way,
the cooks guide, but you work so hard against it you make hard graft of
light work.
Why don't you experiment, with say providence? Try asking God for
something
you really need. That works for me now. Then ask for something vain, or
stupid, status symbol(if you just didn't already)money , or power! A
good
scientific experiment.
If one is sick and wants to be well, that could actually work either
way. Your health could be something that you really need, or something
that is vain. You could be cured, which would be a prayer answered, or
you could get worse and die, which could also be construed as a prayer
answer (Hey, you're not sick anymore if you're dead, right?) Or you
could just gradually get worse and them die, in which case the prayer
would still be answered.
Or if you pray for a close relative, that relative gets well, and the
prayer is answered. The relative could linger on and then die, and the
prayer is answered because their "suffering has ended" and that is
also a prayer answered.
In any case, believers in this crap will say that prayer works.
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| User: "Varicose Brain" |
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14 Dec 2003 05:07:41 PM |
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On Sun, 14 Dec 2003 21:18:24 -0000, "Hatsenas"
<hatsenas@spamstopyahoo.co.uk> wrote:
I'll pray your varicose brain heals,
My brain healed a long time ago when I quit believing in fairy tales
about virgins getting pregnant, oceans parting, water turning into
wine, etc,.
then you may get to experience real
life and not be rude!
What a coincidence!I started experiencing real life about the same
time too.
My prayer would be answered!-)
Considering what I've written above, I'd say your prayer is answered.
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| User: "His Eminence the Most Reverend Donki" |
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What a sanctimoious *****!
Pray as much as you like just like those before you have prayed and for
thousands of years.
STILL NO ANSWER!
"Hatsenas" <hatsenas@spamstopyahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
news:3fdcd33f_3@mk-nntp-1.news.uk.worldonline.com...
I'll pray your varicose brain heals, then you may get to experience real
life and not be rude! My prayer would be answered!-)
Godbless
Hatsenas
~^Q^~
"Varicose Brain" <lacruiser@aol.com> wrote in message
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On Sat, 13 Dec 2003 02:20:45 -0000, "Hatsenas"
<hatsenas@spamstopyahoo.co.uk> wrote:
There are none so deaf as they don't want to hear. You want the easy
way,
the cooks guide, but you work so hard against it you make hard graft of
light work.
Why don't you experiment, with say providence? Try asking God for
something
you really need. That works for me now. Then ask for something vain,
or
stupid, status symbol(if you just didn't already)money , or power! A
good
scientific experiment.
If one is sick and wants to be well, that could actually work either
way. Your health could be something that you really need, or something
that is vain. You could be cured, which would be a prayer answered, or
you could get worse and die, which could also be construed as a prayer
answer (Hey, you're not sick anymore if you're dead, right?) Or you
could just gradually get worse and them die, in which case the prayer
would still be answered.
Or if you pray for a close relative, that relative gets well, and the
prayer is answered. The relative could linger on and then die, and the
prayer is answered because their "suffering has ended" and that is
also a prayer answered.
In any case, believers in this crap will say that prayer works.
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| User: "Spyder" |
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14 Dec 2003 10:17:03 AM |
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In article <aguntv00usn2t0s353i7k9j5a3eeojst4s@4ax.com>, Varicose Brain
quietly whispered...
On Sat, 13 Dec 2003 02:20:45 -0000, "Hatsenas"
<hatsenas@spamstopyahoo.co.uk> wrote:
There are none so deaf as they don't want to hear. You want the easy way,
the cooks guide, but you work so hard against it you make hard graft of
light work.
Why don't you experiment, with say providence? Try asking God for something
you really need. That works for me now. Then ask for something vain, or
stupid, status symbol(if you just didn't already)money , or power! A good
scientific experiment.
If one is sick and wants to be well, that could actually work either
way. Your health could be something that you really need, or something
that is vain. You could be cured, which would be a prayer answered, or
you could get worse and die, which could also be construed as a prayer
answer (Hey, you're not sick anymore if you're dead, right?) Or you
could just gradually get worse and them die, in which case the prayer
would still be answered.
Be careful what you wish for. You may get it
--
Spyder
To absent friends, lost loves, old gods,
and the season of mists (Hob Galding - Sandman)
http://www.spyder.me.uk/
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| User: "jabriol" |
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09 Dec 2003 07:14:06 PM |
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"Al Klein" <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message
news:kucatvg2srkr81u7gpih2vk1jqqk7fsh5j@Pern.rk...
On Mon, 8 Dec 2003 01:24:21 -0000, "Hatsenas"
<hatsenas@spamstopyahoo.co.uk> posted in alt.atheism:
But how do we, and why do we learn these laws of life and eventually of
LOVE?
Because 'God' is there
Nope. Gorillas don't believe in any god, but they're capable of love.
Chimpanzees don't believe in any god, but they're capable of love.
seems to me you been smoking that oregano from south of the border again.
they are move by instinct. Not love.
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| User: "Budikka" |
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03 Jan 2004 09:50:45 PM |
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"jabriol" <jabriol@cymech.net> wrote in message news:<xruBb.2734295$Of.419439@news.easynews.com>...
Nope. Gorillas don't believe in any god, but they're capable of love.
Chimpanzees don't believe in any god, but they're capable of love.
seems to me you been smoking that oregano from south of the border again.
they are move by instinct. Not love.
Once again the Internet's biggest blowhard expects us to take it on
faith just like he does. There's never a shred of support for his
mindless blather. Once again he splashes his endless drool of
unsupported lies, bolstered by hypocrisy and cowardice.
Jabriol expects us to take it on faith, but the only actual **FACT**
that we see is that every time he gets into a discussion, Jabriol
takes it up the *****.
Budikka
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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09 Dec 2003 08:58:25 PM |
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On Wed, 10 Dec 2003 01:14:06 GMT, "jabriol" <jabriol@cymech.net>
posted in alt.atheism:
"Al Klein" <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message
news:kucatvg2srkr81u7gpih2vk1jqqk7fsh5j@Pern.rk...
On Mon, 8 Dec 2003 01:24:21 -0000, "Hatsenas"
<hatsenas@spamstopyahoo.co.uk> posted in alt.atheism:
But how do we, and why do we learn these laws of life and eventually of
LOVE?
Because 'God' is there
Nope. Gorillas don't believe in any god, but they're capable of love.
Chimpanzees don't believe in any god, but they're capable of love.
seems to me you been smoking that oregano from south of the border again.
they are move by instinct. Not love.
And you already admitted that love is an instinct, so you contradicted
yourself again.
I know this is usenet, but no one really wants your opinion.
--
"If we really know Truth, we do not fear hearing falsehoods or half-truths; if we are not sure of the truth - we shudder and try to shout down every utterance." - A. J. Mims
(random sig, produced by SigChanger)
rukbat at optonline dot net
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| User: "Trin" |
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| Title: Re: Robert Nicoletti |
09 Dec 2003 07:39:21 PM |
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jabriol articulated:
they are move by instinct. Not love.
Care to define "love"?
--
Trin....... is both and neither.
Treat your lover as your god, and your god as your lover.
www.lokeandimensions.com
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| User: "Trin" |
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09 Dec 2003 12:19:48 PM |
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Hatsenas articulated:
But how do we, and why do we learn these laws of life and
eventually of LOVE?
Because 'God' is there
No dear, we learn things through experience.
God moves in mysterious ways, and loves us all!
Yours might, mine certainly don't.
--
Trin....... is both and neither.
Treat your lover as your god, and your god as your lover.
www.lokeandimensions.com
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| User: "Hatsenas" |
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09 Dec 2003 04:52:55 PM |
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"Trin" <trinity.nospam@btinternet.com> wrote in message
news:MPG.1a40229ad6c21f19989d3a@news.cis.dfn.de...
Hatsenas articulated:
But how do we, and why do we learn these laws of life and
eventually of LOVE?
Because 'God' is there
No dear, we learn things through experience.
And we make mistakes, but if we use our noddle we don't make the same ones!
God moves in mysterious ways, and loves us all!
Yours might, mine certainly don't.(*)
--
Trin....... is both and neither.
Treat your lover as your god, and your god as your lover. ;-)
(*)'Liar pants on fire' see the line above;-) make up your mind!
www.lokeandimensions.com
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| User: "Trin" |
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| Title: Re: Robert Nicoletti |
14 Dec 2003 09:33:38 AM |
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Hatsenas articulated:
"Trin" wrote
But how do we, and why do we learn these laws of life
and eventually of LOVE?
Because 'God' is there
No dear, we learn things through experience.
And we make mistakes, but if we use our noddle we don't make
the same ones!
My experience doesn't prove your theory dear - and that still says feck
all about God.
God moves in mysterious ways, and loves us all!
Yours might, mine certainly don't.
'Liar pants on fire' see the line above;-) make up your mind!
Just because he loves me (I think <g>) doesn't mean that he loves us
all dear.
--
Trin....... is both and neither.
Treat your lover as your god, and your god as your lover.
www.lokeandimensions.com
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| User: "Spyder" |
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| Title: Re: Robert Nicoletti |
09 Dec 2003 08:26:36 PM |
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In article <3fd651f0$1_2@mk-nntp-1.news.uk.worldonline.com>, Hatsenas
quietly whispered...
But how do we, and why do we learn these laws of life and
eventually of LOVE?
Because 'God' is there
No dear, we learn things through experience.
And we make mistakes, but if we use our noddle we don't make the same ones!
And how is that because of God
God moves in mysterious ways, and loves us all!
Yours might, mine certainly don't.(*)
<snip>
Treat your lover as your god, and your god as your lover. ;-)
(*)'Liar pants on fire' see the line above;-) make up your mind!
Hardly contradictory. You wouldn't expect your lover to love *everyone*
now would you?
--
Spyder
To absent friends, lost loves, old gods,
and the season of mists (Hob Galding - Sandman)
http://www.spyder.me.uk/
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| User: "Hatsenas" |
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13 Dec 2003 10:44:10 PM |
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"Spyder" <spyder@urp.org.uk> wrote in message
news:MPG.1a4094b2343a1800989872@news.cis.dfn.de...
In article <3fd651f0$1_2@mk-nntp-1.news.uk.worldonline.com>, Hatsenas
quietly whispered...
But how do we, and why do we learn these laws of life and
eventually of LOVE?
Because 'God' is there
No dear, we learn things through experience.
And we make mistakes, but if we use our noddle we don't make the same
ones!
And how is that because of God
God moves in mysterious ways, and loves us all!
Yours might, mine certainly don't.(*)
<snip>
Treat your lover as your god, and your god as your lover. ;-)
(*)'Liar pants on fire' see the line above;-) make up your mind!
Hardly contradictory. You wouldn't expect your lover to love *everyone*
now would you?
Spyder that depends upon how self-centred is your point of view.
What we expect, for instance from 'facts' isn't necessarily the TRUTH.
I've been in court rooms enough 'doing my bit' to know that sets of 'facts'
especially with ommissions can easily become lies.
God loving you AND everyone is a very old concept (remember
Ankhnatan(4000yrs approx) or the Great White Spirit who goes back to the Ice
Age...10,000 years!).
The point of treating God as your lover...Don't be sidetracked, seduced or
trust in other lovers - the earthly illusions.
Peace and Love to you and you all.
(Please don't accuse people of /Christianity/ just because they were brought
up that way!)
My sources include trusted Pagans, Other religious groupies, Agnostics along
with churchless Spiritual People too!
Godbless
Hatsenas
~^Q^~
--
Spyder
To absent friends, lost loves, old gods,
and the season of mists (Hob Galding - Sandman)
http://www.spyder.me.uk/
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| User: "Trin" |
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| Title: Re: Robert Nicoletti |
14 Dec 2003 09:39:48 AM |
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Hatsenas articulated:
"Spyder" wrote in message
Hardly contradictory. You wouldn't expect your lover
to love *everyone* now would you?
Spyder that depends upon how self-centred is your point
of view.
Got nothing at all to do with a self-centered PoV dear, it's impossible
to love everyone if only 'cause it's impossible to know everyone.
What we expect, for instance from 'facts' isn't
necessarily the TRUTH.
Don't remember anyone ever saying it was?
God loving you AND everyone is a very old concept
(remember Ankhnatan(4000yrs approx) or the Great White
Spirit who goes back to the Ice Age...10,000 years!).
That may be so - but I was talking about *my* God, not yours.
The point of treating God as your lover...Don't be
sidetracked, seduced or trust in other lovers - the
earthly illusions.
Erm... I'm poly dear - I'll love as many people as I wanna love... gods
included.
(Please don't accuse people of /Christianity/ just
because they were brought up that way!)
WTF are you on about now?
My sources include trusted Pagans, Other religious
groupies, Agnostics along with churchless Spiritual
People too!
Strange, my sources tend to be in books and on-line.
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Trin....... is both and neither.
Treat your lover as your god, and your god as your lover.
www.lokeandimensions.com
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| User: "Hatsenas" |
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| Title: Re: Robert Nicoletti |
14 Dec 2003 04:29:50 PM |
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"Trin" <trinity.nospam@btinternet.com> wrote in message
news:MPG.1a46948d8c12ff76989d68@news.cis.dfn.de...
Hatsenas articulated:
"Spyder" wrote in message
snipping<
Got nothing at all to do with a self-centered PoV dear, it's impossible
to love everyone if only 'cause it's impossible to know everyone.
A stranger is just a friend you do not know.
What we expect, for instance from 'facts' isn't
necessarily the TRUTH.
Don't remember anyone ever saying it was?
It gets implied sometimes.
God loving you AND everyone is a very old concept
(remember Ankhnatan(4000yrs approx) or the Great White
Spirit who goes back to the Ice Age...10,000 years!).
That may be so - but I was talking about *my* God, not yours.
You share lovers but not God/s?
But after reading about Gandhi, or Mandela, or MotherTheresa, or Dalai
LLama, and their experiences, don't you get the feeling that the many are
really One?
The point of treating God as your lover...Don't be
sidetracked, seduced or trust in other lovers - the
earthly illusions.
Erm... I'm poly dear - I'll love as many people as I wanna love... gods
included.
I love you too, but I do not intend inviting you over for casual sex!-)
(Please don't accuse people of /Christianity/ just
because they were brought up that way!)
WTF are you on about now?
I thought about something I thought you said in an earlier post, indicating
that you had thought that of me.
My sources include trusted Pagans, Other religious
groupies, Agnostics along with churchless Spiritual
People too!
Strange, my sources tend to be in books and on-line.
And we all know how truthful all that is!
A pity it is all so /factual/ and convincing.
You are well-read and
that is a credit to you.
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Trin....... is both and neither.
Treat your lover as your god, and your god as your lover.
www.lokeandimensions.com
Godbless
Hatsenas
~^Q^~
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| User: "Spyder" |
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14 Dec 2003 05:56:15 PM |
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In article <3fdce917$1_1@mk-nntp-1.news.uk.worldonline.com>, Hatsenas
quietly whispered...
A stranger is just a friend you do not know.
A stranger is a person I don't know. Friendship is too important to be
given so freely
--
Spyder
To absent friends, lost loves, old gods,
and the season of mists (Hob Galding - Sandman)
http://www.spyder.me.uk/
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| User: "Spyder" |
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14 Dec 2003 10:14:38 AM |
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In article <3fdbea3a_2@mk-nntp-1.news.uk.worldonline.com>, Hatsenas
quietly whispered...
"Spyder" <spyder@urp.org.uk> wrote in message
Hardly contradictory. You wouldn't expect your lover to love *everyone*
now would you?
Spyder that depends upon how self-centred is your point of view.
I expect my wife to love as many people as she feels she can love
I expect my lover to love as many people as she feels she can love.
But neither woman knows everyone, and love is not something given will-
he-nil-he. Besides, both women are human, and there will be people they
won't get on with, won't love, and may even hate.
Then we get to the matter of Trin's God, and you can go look up the
various emotional conundrums of the Norse trickster yourself to see
whether he loves everyone.
Being self-centred has nothing to do with it
What we expect, for instance from 'facts' isn't necessarily the TRUTH.
And this is a revelation how?
I've been in court rooms enough 'doing my bit' to know that sets of 'facts'
especially with ommissions can easily become lies.
Facts are only what we know to be true at the time, and even then
they're open to interpretation
God loving you AND everyone is a very old concept
Let me rephrase that last sentence
"A god loving you and everyone is a very old concept"
I don't doubt that, but it doesn't hold true for every god.
By a number of mythologies human beings were little more than
entertainment, play things or annoyances. Tools used for the Gods' own
gains.
The point of treating God as your lover...Don't be sidetracked, seduced or
trust in other lovers - the earthly illusions.
Why not. We are human animals governed by emotion. Why, if my other
lovers are willing, should I not partake. I'm not harming my wife when
I spend time with my lover, and she is not harming me when she spends
time with hers. It's all worked out in advance.
And as to Gods.... I've worked with at least three that I'm pretty sure
I recognised.
Peace and Love to you and you all.
(Please don't accuse people of /Christianity/ just because they were brought
up that way!)
Please show me where I accused you of /Christianity/
And please explain what you mean by that statement
My sources include trusted Pagans, Other religious groupies, Agnostics along
with churchless Spiritual People too!
Good for you
--
Spyder
To absent friends, lost loves, old gods,
and the season of mists (Hob Galding - Sandman)
http://www.spyder.me.uk/
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| User: "ZeHole E. Gost" |
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06 Dec 2003 04:18:22 PM |
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"JaBrIoL" <Jabriol@excite.com> wrote in message
news:d222de3e.0312061051.6120e6d4@posting.google.com...
: ...And here we have FCAS first member Robert Nicoletti.
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: For showing imense hatred toward JW's just Like Carol Mike Krobez
: has placed him as a Friend of Carol.
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Let's correct your post:
For showing immense hatred toward the evil, glory-seeking, self serving
Governing Body of the Watchtower Society, just like others who left my
evil cult. This has placed him as a Friend of the innocent WTS victims.
--
MiKrobez. & Carrol.....
(Jabriol) should be more careful in the way he presents
himself. Some people here might start pulling out all those
JW quotes about "knowing the tree by its fruit" (Credit to Campbell)
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