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http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20050618/wl_afp/romaniareligion_050618195538
TANACU, Romania (AFP) - A Romanian Orthodox priest, facing charges for
ordering the crucifixion of a young nun because she was "possessed by the
devil," was unrepentant as he celebrated a funeral ceremony for his alleged
victim.
"God has performed a miracle for her, finally Irina is delivered from evil,"
Father Daniel, 29, the superior of the Holy Trinity monastery in
north-eastern Romania, told an AFP reporter before celebrating a short
liturgy "for the soul of the deceased", in the presence of 13 nuns who
showed no visible emotion.
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Beliefs are dangerous. Beliefs allow the mind to stop functioning.
A non-functioning mind is clinically dead. Believe in nothing.
- Maynard James Keenan
The belief in the Christian god... is an appalling nightmare. I reject
the notion that the whole universe was created by this kind of evil
creature who would create such a thing. - Anthony Flew, March 22, 2005
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19 Jun 2005 01:40:13 PM |
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"towelie" <bugoNOSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1dedne87jqLxpSjfRVn-iw@centurytel.net...
http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20050618/wl_afp/romaniareligion_050618195538
TANACU, Romania (AFP) - A Romanian Orthodox priest, facing charges for
ordering the crucifixion of a young nun because she was "possessed by the
devil," was unrepentant as he celebrated a funeral ceremony for his
alleged
victim.
"God has performed a miracle for her, finally Irina is delivered from
evil,"
Father Daniel, 29, the superior of the Holy Trinity monastery in
north-eastern Romania, told an AFP reporter before celebrating a short
liturgy "for the soul of the deceased", in the presence of 13 nuns who
showed no visible emotion.
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This is obviously Dukes god. The one he was complaining that we atheists
have no knowledge of.
Well, Duke, take a big sniff.
What does your god smell like now?
You see, we atheist know all too well what your god really is.
David H.
aa # 2217
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| User: "leo" |
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19 Jun 2005 05:31:17 PM |
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As the old saying tells,
you can know the tree by its fruits,
so by the same process,
you can judge a god by the deeds of his worshipers.
leo
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22 Jun 2005 05:38:44 AM |
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In article <1dedne87jqLxpSjfRVn-iw@centurytel.net>,
"towelie" <bugoNOSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20050618/wl_afp/romaniareligion_050618195538
TANACU, Romania (AFP) - A Romanian Orthodox priest, facing charges for
ordering the crucifixion of a young nun because she was "possessed by the
devil," was unrepentant as he celebrated a funeral ceremony for his alleged
victim.
"God has performed a miracle for her, finally Irina is delivered from evil,"
Father Daniel, 29, the superior of the Holy Trinity monastery in
north-eastern Romania, told an AFP reporter before celebrating a short
liturgy "for the soul of the deceased", in the presence of 13 nuns who
showed no visible emotion.
Some miracle.
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John Hachmann aa #1782
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"
-Voltaire
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| User: "Michelle Malkin" |
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22 Jun 2005 09:33:38 AM |
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"johac" <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote in message
news:jhachm-589088.22384421062005@news.giganews.com...
In article <1dedne87jqLxpSjfRVn-iw@centurytel.net>,
"towelie" <bugoNOSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20050618/wl_afp/romaniareligion_050618195538
TANACU, Romania (AFP) - A Romanian Orthodox priest, facing charges for
ordering the crucifixion of a young nun because she was "possessed by
the
devil," was unrepentant as he celebrated a funeral ceremony for his
alleged
victim.
"God has performed a miracle for her, finally Irina is delivered from
evil,"
Father Daniel, 29, the superior of the Holy Trinity monastery in
north-eastern Romania, told an AFP reporter before celebrating a short
liturgy "for the soul of the deceased", in the presence of 13 nuns who
showed no visible emotion.
He's an admitted murderer. How was he free to attend his
victim's funeral? He should be in prison.
--
^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^
Michelle Malkin (Mickey) aa list#1
alt.atheism atheist/agnostic list name collector
BAAWA Knight & EAC Bible thumper thumper
http://questioner.www2.50megs.com
^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^
Some miracle.
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John Hachmann aa #1782
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit
atrocities"
-Voltaire
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| User: "johac" |
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23 Jun 2005 05:18:09 AM |
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In article <IfKdnY5VGsHvrSTfRVn-1g@comcast.com>,
"Michelle Malkin" <hypatiab7@comcast.net> wrote:
"johac" <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote in message
news:jhachm-589088.22384421062005@news.giganews.com...
In article <1dedne87jqLxpSjfRVn-iw@centurytel.net>,
"towelie" <bugoNOSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20050618/wl_afp/romaniareligion_050618195538
TANACU, Romania (AFP) - A Romanian Orthodox priest, facing charges for
ordering the crucifixion of a young nun because she was "possessed by
the
devil," was unrepentant as he celebrated a funeral ceremony for his
alleged
victim.
"God has performed a miracle for her, finally Irina is delivered from
evil,"
Father Daniel, 29, the superior of the Holy Trinity monastery in
north-eastern Romania, told an AFP reporter before celebrating a short
liturgy "for the soul of the deceased", in the presence of 13 nuns who
showed no visible emotion.
He's an admitted murderer. How was he free to attend his
victim's funeral? He should be in prison.
It seems that in some places the church is still above the law. It's
hard to believe that today some would rather live in the Middle Ages.
Worse, some would like to go back there.
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John Hachmann aa #1782
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"
-Voltaire
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| User: "stoney" |
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24 Jun 2005 06:09:57 PM |
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On Wed, 22 Jun 2005 05:33:38 -0400, "Michelle Malkin"
<hypatiab7@comcast.net> wrote:
"johac" <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote in message
news:jhachm-589088.22384421062005@news.giganews.com...
In article <1dedne87jqLxpSjfRVn-iw@centurytel.net>,
"towelie" <bugoNOSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20050618/wl_afp/romaniareligion_050618195538
TANACU, Romania (AFP) - A Romanian Orthodox priest, facing charges for
ordering the crucifixion of a young nun because she was "possessed by
the
devil," was unrepentant as he celebrated a funeral ceremony for his
alleged
victim.
"God has performed a miracle for her, finally Irina is delivered from
evil,"
Father Daniel, 29, the superior of the Holy Trinity monastery in
north-eastern Romania, told an AFP reporter before celebrating a short
liturgy "for the soul of the deceased", in the presence of 13 nuns who
showed no visible emotion.
He's an admitted murderer. How was he free to attend his
victim's funeral? He should be in prison.
Superstition uber alles. Remember the priests hold the 'keys' to
'heaven.'
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
"As democracy is perfected, the office of president
represents, more and more closely, the inner soul
of the people. On some great and glorious day the
plain folks of the land will reach their heart's
desire at last and the White House will be adorned
by a downright moron." --- H.L. Mencken (1880 - 1956)
Religion is the original war crime.
-Michelle Malkin (Feb 26, 2005)
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| User: "leo" |
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19 Jun 2005 09:40:18 AM |
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It is wonderful the many miracles that can produce a sturdy faith.
Any of these days, we would watch many miracles performed by the the
American fundies.
Leo
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| User: "Elroy Willis" |
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19 Jun 2005 11:07:02 AM |
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leo <leo@leopoldoperdomo.com> wrote in alt.atheism
It is wonderful the many miracles that can produce a sturdy faith.
Any of these days, we would watch many miracles performed by the the
American fundies.
This happened in Romania, not America.
--
Elroy Willis
www.elroysemporium.com
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| User: "Denis Loubet" |
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19 Jun 2005 05:18:12 PM |
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"Elroy Willis" <elroywillis@swbell.net> wrote in message
news:p8kab197ja1mrm3vg9la4rl2vcdamq2i21@4ax.com...
leo <leo@leopoldoperdomo.com> wrote in alt.atheism
It is wonderful the many miracles that can produce a sturdy faith.
Any of these days, we would watch many miracles performed by the the
American fundies.
This happened in Romania, not America.
Give it time...
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Denis Loubet
dloubet@io.com
http://www.io.com/~dloubet
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| User: "stoney" |
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24 Jun 2005 06:08:52 PM |
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On Sun, 19 Jun 2005 12:18:12 -0500, "Denis Loubet" <dloubet@io.com>
wrote:
"Elroy Willis" <elroywillis@swbell.net> wrote in message
news:p8kab197ja1mrm3vg9la4rl2vcdamq2i21@4ax.com...
leo <leo@leopoldoperdomo.com> wrote in alt.atheism
It is wonderful the many miracles that can produce a sturdy faith.
Any of these days, we would watch many miracles performed by the the
American fundies.
This happened in Romania, not America.
Give it time...
Indeed. The RC 'love', 'compassion,' 'empathy,' 'humanity',
'kindness', and taking 'responsibility' is overwhelming via its
absence.
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
"As democracy is perfected, the office of president
represents, more and more closely, the inner soul
of the people. On some great and glorious day the
plain folks of the land will reach their heart's
desire at last and the White House will be adorned
by a downright moron." --- H.L. Mencken (1880 - 1956)
Religion is the original war crime.
-Michelle Malkin (Feb 26, 2005)
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| User: "stoney" |
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24 Jun 2005 06:06:54 PM |
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On Sun, 19 Jun 2005 04:18:38 -0500, "towelie" <bugoNOSPAM@hotmail.com>
wrote:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20050618/wl_afp/romaniareligion_050618195538
TANACU, Romania (AFP) - A Romanian Orthodox priest, facing charges for
ordering the crucifixion of a young nun because she was "possessed by the
devil," was unrepentant as he celebrated a funeral ceremony for his alleged
victim.
"God has performed a miracle for her, finally Irina is delivered from evil,"
Father Daniel, 29, the superior of the Holy Trinity monastery in
north-eastern Romania, told an AFP reporter before celebrating a short
liturgy "for the soul of the deceased", in the presence of 13 nuns who
showed no visible emotion.
No visible emotion. {horrified shudder}
/continuing article
He insisted that from the religious point of view the crucifixion of
Maricica Irina Cornici, 23, was "entirely justified," but admitted he
faced excommunication as well as prosecution, and was seeking a "good
lawyer."
Prosecutors said Saturday they had charged the priest and four nuns
with imprisonment leading to death, while religious authorities said
he would be barred from celebrating liturgy until the investigation
was completed. The monastery will be shut if they are found guilty,
Father Daniel's superiors said.
Cornici was found dead on Wednesday, gagged and chained to a cross,
after fellow nuns called an ambulance, according to police.
Mihaela Straub, spokeswoman for the police in the province of Vaslui,
said Daniel and four other nuns had claimed Cornici was possessed and
should be exorcised.
Before being crucified she had been kept shut up for several days, her
hands and feet tied and without food or drink, he said.
Cornici had entered the monastery just three months before, after
visiting a friend who was a nun there, police said.
As her coffin entered the church of the monastery Saturday no church
bells were sounded while nuns cast distrustful glances at the
strangers, including two AFP reporters, present at the ceremony.
Claps of thunder from an approaching storm were sometimes the only
sounds to break the silence.
"This storm is proof that the will of God has been done," Daniel said.
"You see it?" said the priest, gesturing at the body, lying in an
annex and still showing the marks of the gag.
Daniel has lived for the past four years in the isolated monastery
located in the hills of one of the poorest regions of Romania, without
running water or electricity.
"Over there, in your world, the people must know that the devil
exists. Personally I can find his work in the gestures and speech of
possessed people, because man is often weak and lets himself be easily
manipulated by the forces of evil," said the bearded young priest.
"I don't understand why journalists are making such a fuss about this.
Exorcism is a common practise in the heart of the Romanian Orthodox
church and my methods are not at all unknown to other priests," he
said.
Sociologist Alred Bulai said that corporal punishment was still
commonly used in certain Romanian monasteries.
"It's happening particularly in the isolated monasteries, where the
superiors have difficulty understanding the current realities and
adapting themselves to modern life," Bulai said.
It was not clear why Father Daniel believed the nun was possessed. One
parishoner, Dora, said the nun "had to be punished, she had an
argument with the Father during a Sunday mass and insulted him in
front of the congregation."
Mediafax news agency reported Saturday that the Cornici had recently
been treated for "schizophrenia" at the local hospital, but the chief
of the local child welfare office, Ionel Bratianu, said the nun was
"in good health and did not suffer from any psychiatric trouble."
Cornici was raised in an orphanage until the age of 19, when she
traveled to Germany to work as a nanny for a family of German doctors.
After in-depth psychological and psychiatric tests, the German embassy
had declared her apt to take care of children, said Bratianu.
Since the fall of the communist regime in December 1989, the Orthodox
Church, which represents 85 percent of Romania's 22 million
inhabitants, is rated in many opinion polls as the most trusted
institution in the country.
Vitalie Danciu, the superior of a nearby monastery at Golia, called
the crucifixion "inexcusable," but a spokesman for the Orthodox
patriarchate in Bucharest refused to condemn it.
"I don't know what this young woman did," Bogdan Teleanu said.
© 2005 AFP
These folks are the epitome of evil and inhumanity.
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
"As democracy is perfected, the office of president
represents, more and more closely, the inner soul
of the people. On some great and glorious day the
plain folks of the land will reach their heart's
desire at last and the White House will be adorned
by a downright moron." --- H.L. Mencken (1880 - 1956)
Religion is the original war crime.
-Michelle Malkin (Feb 26, 2005)
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25 Jun 2005 07:48:20 AM |
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In article <4piob1hrdedmu313gv0s6mhq2glljcban0@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Sun, 19 Jun 2005 04:18:38 -0500, "towelie" <bugoNOSPAM@hotmail.com>
wrote:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20050618/wl_afp/romaniareligion_050618195538
TANACU, Romania (AFP) - A Romanian Orthodox priest, facing charges for
ordering the crucifixion of a young nun because she was "possessed by the
devil," was unrepentant as he celebrated a funeral ceremony for his alleged
victim.
"God has performed a miracle for her, finally Irina is delivered from evil,"
Father Daniel, 29, the superior of the Holy Trinity monastery in
north-eastern Romania, told an AFP reporter before celebrating a short
liturgy "for the soul of the deceased", in the presence of 13 nuns who
showed no visible emotion.
No visible emotion. {horrified shudder}
/continuing article
He insisted that from the religious point of view the crucifixion of
Maricica Irina Cornici, 23, was "entirely justified," but admitted he
faced excommunication as well as prosecution, and was seeking a "good
lawyer."
Prosecutors said Saturday they had charged the priest and four nuns
with imprisonment leading to death, while religious authorities said
he would be barred from celebrating liturgy until the investigation
was completed. The monastery will be shut if they are found guilty,
Father Daniel's superiors said.
They have been charged with murder .One prosecutor over there got it
right.
http://tinyurl.com/9x344
Romania Monk, 4 Nuns Charged With Murder
By ALISON MUTLER, Associated Press WriterThu Jun 23, 2:49 PM ET
A 23-year-old Orthodox nun said to be possessed by devils because she
shouted so much was chained to a cross, gagged with a towel and left in
a dank room at a convent for three days without food, where she died of
suffocation and dehydration.
A monk and four nuns were arrested Thursday and have been charged with
murder in the case, which has focused attention on the secretive
convents and monasteries that dot Romania's impoverished northeast.
Maricica Irina Cornici died last week in the Holy Trinity convent
outside the remote village of Tanacu.
Daniel Petre Corogeanu, the red-bearded monk accused of leading the
exorcism, has appeared unrepentant. He performed a funeral service for
the nun on Sunday and said he was trying to take devils out of her.
Asked whether the nun was mentally ill and in need of medical help
instead of exorcism, he responded: "You can't take the devil out of
people with pills. You cure (possession by) the devils with fasting and
prayer."
He said the nun had to be restrained because she was violent, but denied
she was starved.
Corogeanu and the nuns were charged late Wednesday with aggravated
murder after testifying for 11 hours to prosecutors. They were taken
into custody Thursday, according to prosecutor Ovidiu Berinde, and a
court in the northeast city of Vaslui ordered them held for 29 days.
Their lawyer appealed the ruling.
There were angry scenes outside the prosecutor's office Wednesday in
Vaslui, in one of Romania's remotest and poorest regions near the border
with Moldova.
Corogeanu was jostled by shrieking residents who called for justice,
saying he had brought the Orthodox Church into disrepute. Others crammed
against iron railings outside the prosecutor's office, maintaining the
monk and nuns were innocent.
Orthodox monasteries flourished in Romania after the 1989 fall of
Nicolae Ceausescu's brutal communist regime, which suppressed religion.
The secretive monasteries have attracted scores of impoverished youths,
attracted by their offers of stability. Many, like Cornici, grew up in
orphanages.
Cornici's death and the fact Corogeanu was ordained as a priest without
having finished his theological studies have prompted the church to
impose stricter rules for entering monasteries.
Amid the heated local passions surrounding the case, Corgeanu's
attorney, Luana Pintilie, called Thursday for moving it to the city of
Iasi, but the court there refused to take it.
"Magistrates should not have pressure from the street, locals and the
media who are camped outside the prosecutor's door," Pintilie said.
On Sunday, the five suspects were indicted in connection with causing
the nun's death but were not detained, pending the results of a second
autopsy. Corogeanu has been suspended by the church and the convent has
been closed by church authorities.
If found guilty, the monk and nuns could face 25 years in prison.
These folks are the epitome of evil and inhumanity.
No kidding.
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"
-Voltaire
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25 Jun 2005 01:43:39 PM |
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On Sat, 25 Jun 2005 00:48:20 -0700, johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote:
In article <4piob1hrdedmu313gv0s6mhq2glljcban0@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Sun, 19 Jun 2005 04:18:38 -0500, "towelie" <bugoNOSPAM@hotmail.com>
wrote:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20050618/wl_afp/romaniareligion_050618195538
TANACU, Romania (AFP) - A Romanian Orthodox priest, facing charges for
ordering the crucifixion of a young nun because she was "possessed by the
devil," was unrepentant as he celebrated a funeral ceremony for his alleged
victim.
"God has performed a miracle for her, finally Irina is delivered from evil,"
Father Daniel, 29, the superior of the Holy Trinity monastery in
north-eastern Romania, told an AFP reporter before celebrating a short
liturgy "for the soul of the deceased", in the presence of 13 nuns who
showed no visible emotion.
No visible emotion. {horrified shudder}
/continuing article
He insisted that from the religious point of view the crucifixion of
Maricica Irina Cornici, 23, was "entirely justified," but admitted he
faced excommunication as well as prosecution, and was seeking a "good
lawyer."
Prosecutors said Saturday they had charged the priest and four nuns
with imprisonment leading to death, while religious authorities said
he would be barred from celebrating liturgy until the investigation
was completed. The monastery will be shut if they are found guilty,
Father Daniel's superiors said.
They have been charged with murder .One prosecutor over there got it
right.
http://tinyurl.com/9x344
Romania Monk, 4 Nuns Charged With Murder
By ALISON MUTLER, Associated Press WriterThu Jun 23, 2:49 PM ET
A 23-year-old Orthodox nun said to be possessed by devils because she
shouted so much was chained to a cross, gagged with a towel and left in
a dank room at a convent for three days without food, where she died of
suffocation and dehydration.
A monk and four nuns were arrested Thursday and have been charged with
murder in the case, which has focused attention on the secretive
convents and monasteries that dot Romania's impoverished northeast.
Maricica Irina Cornici died last week in the Holy Trinity convent
outside the remote village of Tanacu.
Daniel Petre Corogeanu, the red-bearded monk accused of leading the
exorcism, has appeared unrepentant. He performed a funeral service for
the nun on Sunday and said he was trying to take devils out of her.
Asked whether the nun was mentally ill and in need of medical help
instead of exorcism, he responded: "You can't take the devil out of
people with pills. You cure (possession by) the devils with fasting and
prayer."
He said the nun had to be restrained because she was violent, but denied
she was starved.
Corogeanu and the nuns were charged late Wednesday with aggravated
murder after testifying for 11 hours to prosecutors. They were taken
into custody Thursday, according to prosecutor Ovidiu Berinde, and a
court in the northeast city of Vaslui ordered them held for 29 days.
Their lawyer appealed the ruling.
There were angry scenes outside the prosecutor's office Wednesday in
Vaslui, in one of Romania's remotest and poorest regions near the border
with Moldova.
Corogeanu was jostled by shrieking residents who called for justice,
saying he had brought the Orthodox Church into disrepute. Others crammed
against iron railings outside the prosecutor's office, maintaining the
monk and nuns were innocent.
Orthodox monasteries flourished in Romania after the 1989 fall of
Nicolae Ceausescu's brutal communist regime, which suppressed religion.
The secretive monasteries have attracted scores of impoverished youths,
attracted by their offers of stability. Many, like Cornici, grew up in
orphanages.
Cornici's death and the fact Corogeanu was ordained as a priest without
having finished his theological studies have prompted the church to
impose stricter rules for entering monasteries.
Amid the heated local passions surrounding the case, Corgeanu's
attorney, Luana Pintilie, called Thursday for moving it to the city of
Iasi, but the court there refused to take it.
"Magistrates should not have pressure from the street, locals and the
media who are camped outside the prosecutor's door," Pintilie said.
On Sunday, the five suspects were indicted in connection with causing
the nun's death but were not detained, pending the results of a second
autopsy. Corogeanu has been suspended by the church and the convent has
been closed by church authorities.
If found guilty, the monk and nuns could face 25 years in prison.
These folks are the epitome of evil and inhumanity.
No kidding.
You know what really surprises me? That none of them have yet tried
tying this in with Terri Schiavo. "It's a crime to starve the demons
out of a possessed person, but it's okay to kill an American woman?
Sinners!" I mean really. Almost as inconceivable as the angle itself
is the fact that they apparently hadn't thought of it yet. :-#
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In article <8snqb1l1hlju32q3lgls7en7gka458oevr@4ax.com>,
Uncle Dollar Bill <UncleDollarBill@SpamMeNot.com> wrote:
On Sat, 25 Jun 2005 00:48:20 -0700, johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote:
In article <4piob1hrdedmu313gv0s6mhq2glljcban0@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Sun, 19 Jun 2005 04:18:38 -0500, "towelie" <bugoNOSPAM@hotmail.com>
wrote:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20050618/wl_afp/romaniareligion_050618195538
TANACU, Romania (AFP) - A Romanian Orthodox priest, facing charges for
ordering the crucifixion of a young nun because she was "possessed by the
devil," was unrepentant as he celebrated a funeral ceremony for his
alleged
victim.
"God has performed a miracle for her, finally Irina is delivered from
evil,"
Father Daniel, 29, the superior of the Holy Trinity monastery in
north-eastern Romania, told an AFP reporter before celebrating a short
liturgy "for the soul of the deceased", in the presence of 13 nuns who
showed no visible emotion.
No visible emotion. {horrified shudder}
/continuing article
He insisted that from the religious point of view the crucifixion of
Maricica Irina Cornici, 23, was "entirely justified," but admitted he
faced excommunication as well as prosecution, and was seeking a "good
lawyer."
Prosecutors said Saturday they had charged the priest and four nuns
with imprisonment leading to death, while religious authorities said
he would be barred from celebrating liturgy until the investigation
was completed. The monastery will be shut if they are found guilty,
Father Daniel's superiors said.
They have been charged with murder .One prosecutor over there got it
right.
http://tinyurl.com/9x344
Romania Monk, 4 Nuns Charged With Murder
By ALISON MUTLER, Associated Press WriterThu Jun 23, 2:49 PM ET
A 23-year-old Orthodox nun said to be possessed by devils because she
shouted so much was chained to a cross, gagged with a towel and left in
a dank room at a convent for three days without food, where she died of
suffocation and dehydration.
A monk and four nuns were arrested Thursday and have been charged with
murder in the case, which has focused attention on the secretive
convents and monasteries that dot Romania's impoverished northeast.
Maricica Irina Cornici died last week in the Holy Trinity convent
outside the remote village of Tanacu.
Daniel Petre Corogeanu, the red-bearded monk accused of leading the
exorcism, has appeared unrepentant. He performed a funeral service for
the nun on Sunday and said he was trying to take devils out of her.
Asked whether the nun was mentally ill and in need of medical help
instead of exorcism, he responded: "You can't take the devil out of
people with pills. You cure (possession by) the devils with fasting and
prayer."
He said the nun had to be restrained because she was violent, but denied
she was starved.
Corogeanu and the nuns were charged late Wednesday with aggravated
murder after testifying for 11 hours to prosecutors. They were taken
into custody Thursday, according to prosecutor Ovidiu Berinde, and a
court in the northeast city of Vaslui ordered them held for 29 days.
Their lawyer appealed the ruling.
There were angry scenes outside the prosecutor's office Wednesday in
Vaslui, in one of Romania's remotest and poorest regions near the border
with Moldova.
Corogeanu was jostled by shrieking residents who called for justice,
saying he had brought the Orthodox Church into disrepute. Others crammed
against iron railings outside the prosecutor's office, maintaining the
monk and nuns were innocent.
Orthodox monasteries flourished in Romania after the 1989 fall of
Nicolae Ceausescu's brutal communist regime, which suppressed religion.
The secretive monasteries have attracted scores of impoverished youths,
attracted by their offers of stability. Many, like Cornici, grew up in
orphanages.
Cornici's death and the fact Corogeanu was ordained as a priest without
having finished his theological studies have prompted the church to
impose stricter rules for entering monasteries.
Amid the heated local passions surrounding the case, Corgeanu's
attorney, Luana Pintilie, called Thursday for moving it to the city of
Iasi, but the court there refused to take it.
"Magistrates should not have pressure from the street, locals and the
media who are camped outside the prosecutor's door," Pintilie said.
On Sunday, the five suspects were indicted in connection with causing
the nun's death but were not detained, pending the results of a second
autopsy. Corogeanu has been suspended by the church and the convent has
been closed by church authorities.
If found guilty, the monk and nuns could face 25 years in prison.
These folks are the epitome of evil and inhumanity.
No kidding.
You know what really surprises me? That none of them have yet tried
tying this in with Terri Schiavo. "It's a crime to starve the demons
out of a possessed person, but it's okay to kill an American woman?
Sinners!" I mean really. Almost as inconceivable as the angle itself
is the fact that they apparently hadn't thought of it yet. :-#
That's their problem. Thinking.
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"
-Voltaire
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28 Jun 2005 04:34:09 AM |
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On Sat, 25 Jun 2005 23:51:38 -0700, johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote:
In article <8snqb1l1hlju32q3lgls7en7gka458oevr@4ax.com>,
Uncle Dollar Bill <UncleDollarBill@SpamMeNot.com> wrote:
On Sat, 25 Jun 2005 00:48:20 -0700, johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote:
In article <4piob1hrdedmu313gv0s6mhq2glljcban0@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
[]
On Sunday, the five suspects were indicted in connection with causing
the nun's death but were not detained, pending the results of a second
autopsy. Corogeanu has been suspended by the church and the convent has
been closed by church authorities.
If found guilty, the monk and nuns could face 25 years in prison.
These folks are the epitome of evil and inhumanity.
No kidding.
You know what really surprises me? That none of them have yet tried
tying this in with Terri Schiavo. "It's a crime to starve the demons
out of a possessed person, but it's okay to kill an American woman?
Sinners!" I mean really. Almost as inconceivable as the angle itself
is the fact that they apparently hadn't thought of it yet. :-#
That's their problem. Thinking.
Yes. They can't think and are terminally uneducated, too.
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
"As democracy is perfected, the office of president
represents, more and more closely, the inner soul
of the people. On some great and glorious day the
plain folks of the land will reach their heart's
desire at last and the White House will be adorned
by a downright moron." --- H.L. Mencken (1880 - 1956)
Religion is the original war crime.
-Michelle Malkin (Feb 26, 2005)
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| User: "stoney" |
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28 Jun 2005 04:32:54 AM |
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On Sat, 25 Jun 2005 00:48:20 -0700, johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote:
In article <4piob1hrdedmu313gv0s6mhq2glljcban0@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Sun, 19 Jun 2005 04:18:38 -0500, "towelie" <bugoNOSPAM@hotmail.com>
wrote:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20050618/wl_afp/romaniareligion_050618195538
TANACU, Romania (AFP) - A Romanian Orthodox priest, facing charges for
ordering the crucifixion of a young nun because she was "possessed by the
devil," was unrepentant as he celebrated a funeral ceremony for his alleged
victim.
"God has performed a miracle for her, finally Irina is delivered from evil,"
Father Daniel, 29, the superior of the Holy Trinity monastery in
north-eastern Romania, told an AFP reporter before celebrating a short
liturgy "for the soul of the deceased", in the presence of 13 nuns who
showed no visible emotion.
No visible emotion. {horrified shudder}
/continuing article
He insisted that from the religious point of view the crucifixion of
Maricica Irina Cornici, 23, was "entirely justified," but admitted he
faced excommunication as well as prosecution, and was seeking a "good
lawyer."
Prosecutors said Saturday they had charged the priest and four nuns
with imprisonment leading to death, while religious authorities said
he would be barred from celebrating liturgy until the investigation
was completed. The monastery will be shut if they are found guilty,
Father Daniel's superiors said.
They have been charged with murder .One prosecutor over there got it
right.
Good.
http://tinyurl.com/9x344
Romania Monk, 4 Nuns Charged With Murder
By ALISON MUTLER, Associated Press WriterThu Jun 23, 2:49 PM ET
A 23-year-old Orthodox nun said to be possessed by devils because she
shouted so much was chained to a cross, gagged with a towel and left in
a dank room at a convent for three days without food, where she died of
suffocation and dehydration.
A monk and four nuns were arrested Thursday and have been charged with
murder in the case, which has focused attention on the secretive
convents and monasteries that dot Romania's impoverished northeast.
Maricica Irina Cornici died last week in the Holy Trinity convent
outside the remote village of Tanacu.
Daniel Petre Corogeanu, the red-bearded monk accused of leading the
exorcism, has appeared unrepentant. He performed a funeral service for
the nun on Sunday and said he was trying to take devils out of her.
Asked whether the nun was mentally ill and in need of medical help
instead of exorcism, he responded: "You can't take the devil out of
people with pills. You cure (possession by) the devils with fasting and
prayer."
He said the nun had to be restrained because she was violent, but denied
she was starved.
Corogeanu and the nuns were charged late Wednesday with aggravated
murder after testifying for 11 hours to prosecutors. They were taken
into custody Thursday, according to prosecutor Ovidiu Berinde, and a
court in the northeast city of Vaslui ordered them held for 29 days.
Their lawyer appealed the ruling.
There were angry scenes outside the prosecutor's office Wednesday in
Vaslui, in one of Romania's remotest and poorest regions near the border
with Moldova.
Corogeanu was jostled by shrieking residents who called for justice,
saying he had brought the Orthodox Church into disrepute. Others crammed
against iron railings outside the prosecutor's office, maintaining the
monk and nuns were innocent.
Orthodox monasteries flourished in Romania after the 1989 fall of
Nicolae Ceausescu's brutal communist regime, which suppressed religion.
The secretive monasteries have attracted scores of impoverished youths,
attracted by their offers of stability. Many, like Cornici, grew up in
orphanages.
Cornici's death and the fact Corogeanu was ordained as a priest without
having finished his theological studies have prompted the church to
impose stricter rules for entering monasteries.
Amid the heated local passions surrounding the case, Corgeanu's
attorney, Luana Pintilie, called Thursday for moving it to the city of
Iasi, but the court there refused to take it.
"Magistrates should not have pressure from the street, locals and the
media who are camped outside the prosecutor's door," Pintilie said.
On Sunday, the five suspects were indicted in connection with causing
the nun's death but were not detained, pending the results of a second
autopsy. Corogeanu has been suspended by the church and the convent has
been closed by church authorities.
If found guilty, the monk and nuns could face 25 years in prison.
These folks are the epitome of evil and inhumanity.
No kidding.
That's christianity for you.
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
"As democracy is perfected, the office of president
represents, more and more closely, the inner soul
of the people. On some great and glorious day the
plain folks of the land will reach their heart's
desire at last and the White House will be adorned
by a downright moron." --- H.L. Mencken (1880 - 1956)
Religion is the original war crime.
-Michelle Malkin (Feb 26, 2005)
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