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User: "Nomen Nescio"
Date: 24 Feb 2006 09:50:04 AM
Object: Roots
A towering tree is an impressive sight. Yet, the eye merely perceives
the leaves, branches, and trunk. The roots—the life source of the tree—
lie hidden deep in the ground.
It is much the same with atheism. Like a lofty tree, the denial of God’s
existence grew to an impressive stature by the 19th century. Could life
and the universe exist without a supernatural First Cause? Is the
worship of such a Creator a waste of time? The answers from the leading
philosophers of the day were loud and clear. “Just as we no longer need
a moral code, neither do we need religion,” declared Friedrich
Nietzsche. “Religion is the dream of the human mind,” asserted Ludwig
Feuerbach. And Karl Marx, whose writings would have profound influence
in coming decades, boldly stated: “I want to increase the mind’s freedom
from the chains of religion.”
Multitudes were impressed. What they perceived, however, were simply the
leaves, branches, and trunk of atheism. The roots were in place and
sprouting long before the 19th century began. Surprisingly, the modern
growth of atheism was fostered by the religions of Christendom! How so?
Because of their corruption, these religious institutions provoked a
great deal of disillusionment and protest.
.

User: "FiveLongYears"

Title: Re: Roots 24 Feb 2006 11:10:36 AM

Because of their corruption, these religious institutions provoked a
great deal of disillusionment and protest.

That is weak.. If their IS a God, he created me to be a naturally
SKEPTICAL human. I'm skeptical, as I've always been, about everything
I learn.. No proof. Zip Zilch..
Do you every stop to think that maybe.. just maybe.. Atheists don't
care about corruption, or why you think you are right? We are happy
people. ( Mostly) It wasn't the coorpution, or mommy n daddy making
us go to church that turned us away from your views.. It's just not
logical.
FLY
.

User: "Colin Day"

Title: Re: Roots 24 Feb 2006 10:02:25 AM
Nomen Nescio wrote:

A towering tree is an impressive sight. Yet, the eye merely perceives
the leaves, branches, and trunk. The roots—the life source of the tree—
lie hidden deep in the ground.

It is much the same with atheism. Like a lofty tree, the denial of God’s
existence grew to an impressive stature by the 19th century. Could life
and the universe exist without a supernatural First Cause? Is the
worship of such a Creator a waste of time? The answers from the leading
philosophers of the day were loud and clear. “Just as we no longer need
a moral code, neither do we need religion,” declared Friedrich
Nietzsche. “Religion is the dream of the human mind,” asserted Ludwig
Feuerbach. And Karl Marx, whose writings would have profound influence
in coming decades, boldly stated: “I want to increase the mind’s freedom
from the chains of religion.”

Multitudes were impressed. What they perceived, however, were simply the
leaves, branches, and trunk of atheism. The roots were in place and
sprouting long before the 19th century began. Surprisingly, the modern
growth of atheism was fostered by the religions of Christendom! How so?
Because of their corruption, these religious institutions provoked a
great deal of disillusionment and protest.

Did it ever occur to you that atheism is not merely a reaction against
clerical corruption?
Colin Day aa #1500
.
User: "Occam"

Title: Re: Roots 24 Feb 2006 10:38:16 AM
Athism mostly is caused by kids waking up one morning thinking "Hey if
my parents lied to me about Santa Claus wanting me to be good all year
round then ..."
.
User: "Mark Stone"

Title: Re: Roots 24 Feb 2006 10:54:57 AM
"Occam" <jono_666@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1140799096.841264.212380@p10g2000cwp.googlegroups.com...

Athism mostly is caused by kids waking up one morning thinking "Hey if
my parents lied to me about Santa Claus wanting me to be good all year
round then ..."

Atheism is caused by people honestly thinking through the issues. There is
simply not one shred of evidence for the existence of "God". The most
pathetic display of non-evidence is through our own western Christianity --
The multitude of denominations, the bickering between and inside of those
denominations, the history of the "church". All based on a collection of
books absolutely rife with contridictions of both substance and intent
(Substance: read the 4 accounts of the resurrection; intent: Are we saved by
grace or works?) Belief in "God" is a mass illusion.
.
User: "Xabriol"

Title: Re: Roots 24 Feb 2006 06:34:21 PM
Mark Stone wrote:


Atheism is caused by people honestly thinking through the issues. There is
simply not one shred of evidence for the existence of "God".

Not according to real scientist:
A member of the French Academy of Sciences stated: "Natural order was
not invented by the human mind or set up by certain perceptive powers.
.. . . The existence of order presupposes the existence of organizing
intelligence. Such intelligence can be none other than
God's."-Dieu existe? Oui (Paris, 1979), Christian Chabanis,
quoting Pierre-Paul Grass=E9, p. 94.

The most
pathetic display of non-evidence is through our own western Christianity =

--

The multitude of denominations, the bickering between and inside of those
denominations, the history of the "church". All based on a collection of
books absolutely rife with contridictions of both substance and intent
(Substance: read the 4 accounts of the resurrection; intent: Are we saved=

by

grace or works?) Belief in "God" is a mass illusion.

I see,, Is John Walker (american taliban) representative of american
n'est pas?
.
User: "HemJabHadder"

Title: Re: Roots 25 Feb 2006 03:43:25 PM
Blaise Li wrote:

"Xabriol" wrote in message
<1140827661.074008.204000@v46g2000cwv.googlegroups.com>:


Mark Stone wrote:


Atheism is caused by people honestly thinking through the issues. Ther=

e is

simply not one shred of evidence for the existence of "God".


Not according to real scientist:
A member of the French Academy of Sciences stated: "Natural order was
not invented by the human mind or set up by certain perceptive powers.
. . . The existence of order presupposes the existence of organizing
intelligence. Such intelligence can be none other than
God's."-Dieu existe? Oui (Paris, 1979), Christian Chabanis,
quoting Pierre-Paul Grass=E9, p. 94.


Hum ! Grass=E9 was an old-school scientist. It is not necessarily a good
scientific caution nowadays.
=20
bli

what would be a good scientific notion nowadays
.

User: "Richard Sexton"

Title: Re: Roots 24 Feb 2006 10:49:58 PM
If you folks are going to respond to this troll below could you please
leave the fish and ponds groups out of it please?
You probably don't want to reply to this article.
In article <1140827661.074008.204000@v46g2000cwv.googlegroups.com>,
Xabriol <jabriol@hotmail.com> wrote:
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User: "Colin Day"

Title: Re: Roots 26 Feb 2006 10:41:34 AM
Xabriol wrote:

Mark Stone wrote:

Atheism is caused by people honestly thinking through the issues. There is
simply not one shred of evidence for the existence of "God".


Not according to real scientist:
A member of the French Academy of Sciences stated: "Natural order was
not invented by the human mind or set up by certain perceptive powers.
. . . The existence of order presupposes the existence of organizing
intelligence. Such intelligence can be none other than
God's."-Dieu existe? Oui (Paris, 1979), Christian Chabanis,
quoting Pierre-Paul Grassé, p. 94.

And in the absence of antecedent facts, what is intelligence?
Colin Day aa #1500
.



User: "Xabriol"

Title: Re: Roots 24 Feb 2006 06:27:47 PM
Occam wrote:

Athism mostly is caused by kids waking up one morning thinking "Hey if
my parents lied to me about Santa Claus wanting me to be good all year
round then ..."

Hence, the atheist learn the need for no morals.
.



User: "Christopher A. Lee"

Title: Re: Roots 24 Feb 2006 11:33:18 AM
On Fri, 24 Feb 2006 16:50:04 +0100 (CET), Nomen Nescio
<nobody@dizum.com> wrote:

A towering tree is an impressive sight. Yet, the eye merely perceives
the leaves, branches, and trunk. The roots—the life source of the tree—
lie hidden deep in the ground.

It is much the same with atheism. Like a lofty tree, the denial of God’s
existence grew to an impressive stature by the 19th century. Could life

We're not denying anything, lying troll. But then you already knew
that.
.
User: "Xabriol"

Title: Re: Roots 24 Feb 2006 06:37:14 PM
Christopher A. Lee wrote:

On Fri, 24 Feb 2006 16:50:04 +0100 (CET), Nomen Nescio
<nobody@dizum.com> wrote:

A towering tree is an impressive sight. Yet, the eye merely perceives
the leaves, branches, and trunk. The roots-the life source of the tree-
lie hidden deep in the ground.

It is much the same with atheism. Like a lofty tree, the denial of God's
existence grew to an impressive stature by the 19th century. Could life


We're not denying anything, lying troll. But then you already knew
that.

You believe in God ... great!
.



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