Religions > Atheism > Rove is managing the "blame the local (Democratic) officials" campaign - NYT - What a Surprise!
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Rove is managing the "blame the local (Democratic) officials" campaign - NYT - What a Surprise! |
Rove and Bush get it together to operate poisonous spin machine against
victims ("They chose to stay"), state and local officials ("It's their
people"), Democrats ("Clinton", "Ted Kennedy" "Chappaquiddick"), but
couldn't get it together to perform the Presidential job of protecting
Americans.
White House Enacts a Plan to Ease Political Damage
By ADAM NAGOURNEY and ANNE E. KORNBLUT
Published: September 5, 2005
WASHINGTON, Sept. 4 - Under the command of President Bush's two senior
political advisers, the White House rolled out a plan this weekend to
contain the political damage from the administration's response to
Hurricane Katrina.
It orchestrated visits by cabinet members to the region, leading up to
an extraordinary return visit by Mr. Bush planned for Monday, directed
administration officials not to respond to attacks from Democrats on
the relief efforts, and sought to move the blame for the slow response
to Louisiana state officials, according to Republicans familiar with
the White House plan.
The effort is being directed by Mr. Bush's chief political adviser,
Karl Rove, and his communications director, Dan Bartlett. It began late
last week after Congressional Republicans called White House officials
to register alarm about what they saw as a feeble response by Mr. Bush
to the hurricane, according to Republican Congressional aides.
As a result, Americans watching television coverage of the disaster
this weekend began to see, amid the destruction and suffering, some of
the most prominent members of the administration - Richard B. Myers,
the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff; Donald H. Rumsfeld, the
secretary of defense; and Condoleezza Rice, the secretary of state -
touring storm-damaged communities.
Mr. Bush is to return to Louisiana and Mississippi on Monday; his first
visit, on Friday, left some Republicans cringing, in part because the
president had little contact with residents left homeless.
Republicans said the administration's effort to stanch the damage had
been helped by the fact that convoys of troops and supplies had begun
to arrive by the time the administration officials turned up. All of
those developments were covered closely on television.
In many ways, the unfolding public relations campaign reflects the
style Mr. Rove has brought to the political campaigns he has run for
Mr. Bush. For example, administration officials who went on television
on Sunday were instructed to avoid getting drawn into exchanges about
the problems of the past week, and to turn the discussion to what the
government is doing now.
"We will have time to go back and do an after-action report, but the
time right now is to look at what the enormous tasks ahead are,"
Michael Chertoff, the secretary of Homeland Security, said on "Meet the
Press" on NBC.
One Republican with knowledge of the effort said that Mr. Rove had told
administration officials not to respond to Democratic attacks on Mr.
Bush's handling of the hurricane in the belief that the president was
in a weak moment and that the administration should not appear to be
seen now as being blatantly political. As with others in the party,
this Republican would discuss the deliberations only on condition of
anonymity because of keen White House sensitivity about how the
administration and its strategy would be perceived.
In a reflection of what has long been a hallmark of Mr. Rove's tough
political style, the administration is also working to shift the blame
away from the White House and toward officials of New Orleans and
Louisiana who, as it happens, are Democrats.
"The way that emergency operations act under the law is the
responsibility and the power, the authority, to order an evacuation
rests with state and local officials," Mr. Chertoff said in his
television interview. "The federal government comes in and supports
those officials."
That line of argument was echoed throughout the day, in harsher
language, by Republicans reflecting the White House line.
In interviews, these Republicans said that the normally nimble White
House political operation had fallen short in part because the
president and his aides were scattered outside Washington on vacation,
leaving no one obviously in charge at a time of great disruption. Mr.
Rove and Mr. Bush were in Texas, while Vice President ***** Cheney was
at his Wyoming ranch.
Mr. Bush's communications director, Nicolle Devenish, was married this
weekend in Greece, and a number of Mr. Bush's political advisers -
including Ken Mehlman, the Republican National Committee chairman -
attended the wedding.
Ms. Rice did not return to Washington until Thursday, after she was
spotted at a Broadway show and shopping for shoes, an image that
Republicans said buttressed the notion of a White House unconcerned
with tragedy.
These officials said that Mr. Bush and his political aides rapidly
changed course in what they acknowledged was a belated realization of
the situation's political ramifications. As is common when this White
House confronts a serious problem, management was quickly taken over by
Mr. Rove and a group of associates including Mr. Bartlett. Neither man
responded to requests for comment.
White House advisers said that Mr. Bush expressed alarm after his
return to Washington from the Gulf Coast.
One senior White House official said that Mr. Bush appeared at a senior
staff meeting in the Situation Room on Friday and called the results on
the ground "unacceptable." At the encouragement of Mr. Bartlett,
officials said, he repeated the comment later in the Rose Garden, the
start of this campaign.
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Cheney now has a ranch?
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| Title: Re: Rove is managing the "blame the local (Democratic) officials" campaign - NYT - What a Surprise! |
05 Sep 2005 02:30:58 PM |
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"Don't point fingers. Don't play the blamegame. Don't politicize this."
"Don't criticize Bush BEFORE he screws up -- pushing massive tax cuts,
ignoring counterterrorism warnings, banging war drums, vacationing
during a storm -- because maybe it'll all work out fine, give it a
chance, you don't have a crystal ball!"
"Don't criticize Bush DURING his screw ups, because now is not the time
when we're in the middle of a crisis -- it doesn't help the people who
are struggling, it undermines morale, it's divisive when we should all
be pulling together!"
"Don't criticize Bush AFTER his screw ups, because we need to move on
and get over it -- besides, it wasn't his fault, he didn't know,
Democrats are just trying to politicize this, and we have other things
to deal with right now."
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05 Sep 2005 03:15:12 PM |
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In episode <1125930658.527856.121020@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>,
Williams burst into the room and exclaimed:
"Don't point fingers. Don't play the blamegame. Don't politicize this."
"Don't criticize Bush BEFORE he screws up -- pushing massive tax cuts,
ignoring counterterrorism warnings, banging war drums, vacationing during
a storm -- because maybe it'll all work out fine, give it a chance, you
don't have a crystal ball!"
"Don't criticize Bush DURING his screw ups, because now is not the time
when we're in the middle of a crisis -- it doesn't help the people who are
struggling, it undermines morale, it's divisive when we should all be
pulling together!"
"Don't criticize Bush AFTER his screw ups, because we need to move on and
get over it -- besides, it wasn't his fault, he didn't know, Democrats are
just trying to politicize this, and we have other things to deal with
right now."
You know they're getting desperate when the "nobody's to blame" card comes
out...
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Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
Alt-atheism website at: http://www.alt-atheism.org
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"Come to think of it, there are already a million
monkeys on a million typewriters, and the Usenet
is NOTHING like Shakespeare!" -- Blair Houghton
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09 Sep 2005 03:02:39 AM |
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On Mon, 05 Sep 2005 10:15:12 -0500, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote:
In episode <1125930658.527856.121020@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>,
Williams burst into the room and exclaimed:
"Don't point fingers. Don't play the blamegame. Don't politicize this."
"Don't criticize Bush BEFORE he screws up -- pushing massive tax cuts,
ignoring counterterrorism warnings, banging war drums, vacationing during
a storm -- because maybe it'll all work out fine, give it a chance, you
don't have a crystal ball!"
"Don't criticize Bush DURING his screw ups, because now is not the time
when we're in the middle of a crisis -- it doesn't help the people who are
struggling, it undermines morale, it's divisive when we should all be
pulling together!"
"Don't criticize Bush AFTER his screw ups, because we need to move on and
get over it -- besides, it wasn't his fault, he didn't know, Democrats are
just trying to politicize this, and we have other things to deal with
right now."
You know they're getting desperate when the "nobody's to blame" card comes
out...
well they *are* extremely pathetic.
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Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
"As democracy is perfected, the office of president
represents, more and more closely, the inner soul
of the people. On some great and glorious day the
plain folks of the land will reach their heart's
desire at last and the White House will be adorned
by a downright moron." --- H.L. Mencken (1880 - 1956)
Religion is the original war crime.
-Michelle Malkin (Feb 26, 2005)
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09 Sep 2005 01:24:41 PM |
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September 9, 2005
A dubious resume
As calls increase for FEMA chief's ouster, new doubts come to light
about where he did, and didn't, work
BY CRAIG GORDON AND DANIEL WAGNER
WASHINGTON -- New questions surfaced yesterday about whether the White
House inflated FEMA chief Michael Brown's past work experience when he
took over the agency, where most senior managers bring little or no
disaster-response experience to their posts, including Brown.
The official White House announcement of Brown's nomination to head
FEMA in January 2003 lists his previous experience as "the Executive
Director of the Independent Electrical Contractors," a trade group
based in Alexandria, Va.
But two officials of the group told Newsday this week that Brown, in
fact, never was the national head of the group...
Upon learning that the 2003 press release on the White House Web site
states that Brown was the IEC executive director, the group's current
top administrator, Larry Mullins asked, "Do you think I could get that
taken down?" and said he planned to call the White House to have it
removed.
At the same time, the January 2003 White House press release on
Brown's nomination dropped any reference to Brown's main job prior to
joining FEMA in 2001 - a decade-long stint with the International
Arabian Horse Association...
With calls growing for his ouster, Brown's post with the Arabian horse
association has come under much ridicule in the days since Hurricane
Katrina. Brown's critics among Democrats have cited it as further
proof that he lacked any significant qualifications to run the
nation's disaster-response agency. The Denver Post reported that Brown
resigned after group members questioned his handling of a $50,000
gift.
Brown is a Republican lawyer who is a longtime friend of former FEMA
chief Joe Allbaugh, who himself took over after serving as President
George W. Bush's campaign manager in 2000...
But Brown is not the only member of FEMA's top management team who
comes to the job with ties to the Bush administration but little or no
hands-on emergency response experience, according to official FEMA
bios.
Brown's No. 2 aide, Patrick Rhode, is a former Bush campaign staffer
who later worked on the White House advance staff, which coordinates
presidential appearances.
Scott Morris, FEMA's former deputy chief of staff and now head of its
Florida hurricane-recovery office, also worked on the 2000 Bush
campaign in Austin as a media strategist.
Daniel Craig, who took over FEMA's recovery division in 2003, was a
regional official for the U.S. Chamber of Commerce and active in
Republican politics in Connecticut.
And FEMA's No. 3 official, Brooks Altshuler, previously also worked on
the White House advance team...
Now former FEMA union chief Pleasant Mann charges: "If you look at
most of the people down [from the top], it takes you quite a ways
before you find someone who got here because of emergency management
experience."
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11 Sep 2005 05:06:30 PM |
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On Fri, 09 Sep 2005 08:24:41 -0500, fuller <fuller@nomail.com> wrote:
September 9, 2005
A dubious resume
As calls increase for FEMA chief's ouster, new doubts come to light
about where he did, and didn't, work
BY CRAIG GORDON AND DANIEL WAGNER
WASHINGTON -- New questions surfaced yesterday about whether the White
House inflated FEMA chief Michael Brown's past work experience when he
took over the agency, where most senior managers bring little or no
disaster-response experience to their posts, including Brown.
The official White House announcement of Brown's nomination to head
FEMA in January 2003 lists his previous experience as "the Executive
Director of the Independent Electrical Contractors," a trade group
based in Alexandria, Va.
But two officials of the group told Newsday this week that Brown, in
fact, never was the national head of the group...
Upon learning that the 2003 press release on the White House Web site
states that Brown was the IEC executive director, the group's current
top administrator, Larry Mullins asked, "Do you think I could get that
taken down?" and said he planned to call the White House to have it
removed.
At the same time, the January 2003 White House press release on
Brown's nomination dropped any reference to Brown's main job prior to
joining FEMA in 2001 - a decade-long stint with the International
Arabian Horse Association...
With calls growing for his ouster, Brown's post with the Arabian horse
association has come under much ridicule in the days since Hurricane
Katrina. Brown's critics among Democrats have cited it as further
proof that he lacked any significant qualifications to run the
nation's disaster-response agency. The Denver Post reported that Brown
resigned after group members questioned his handling of a $50,000
gift.
Brown is a Republican lawyer who is a longtime friend of former FEMA
chief Joe Allbaugh, who himself took over after serving as President
George W. Bush's campaign manager in 2000...
But Brown is not the only member of FEMA's top management team who
comes to the job with ties to the Bush administration but little or no
hands-on emergency response experience, according to official FEMA
bios.
Brown's No. 2 aide, Patrick Rhode, is a former Bush campaign staffer
who later worked on the White House advance staff, which coordinates
presidential appearances.
Scott Morris, FEMA's former deputy chief of staff and now head of its
Florida hurricane-recovery office, also worked on the 2000 Bush
campaign in Austin as a media strategist.
Daniel Craig, who took over FEMA's recovery division in 2003, was a
regional official for the U.S. Chamber of Commerce and active in
Republican politics in Connecticut.
And FEMA's No. 3 official, Brooks Altshuler, previously also worked on
the White House advance team...
Now former FEMA union chief Pleasant Mann charges: "If you look at
most of the people down [from the top], it takes you quite a ways
before you find someone who got here because of emergency management
experience."
http://www.newsday.com/news/nationworld/nation/ny-usfema094417778sep09,0,3221751.story?coll=ny-nationalnews-headlines
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Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
"As democracy is perfected, the office of president
represents, more and more closely, the inner soul
of the people. On some great and glorious day the
plain folks of the land will reach their heart's
desire at last and the White House will be adorned
by a downright moron." --- H.L. Mencken (1880 - 1956)
Religion is the original war crime.
-Michelle Malkin (Feb 26, 2005)
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06 Sep 2005 02:54:34 PM |
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ConservativeLeech wrote:
In interviews, these Republicans said that the normally nimble White
House political operation had fallen short in part because the
president and his aides were scattered outside Washington on vacation,
leaving no one obviously in charge at a time of great disruption. Mr.
Rove and Mr. Bush were in Texas, while Vice President ***** Cheney was
at his Wyoming ranch.
Half a dozen people go on vacation and this happens? Even the
carefully crafted pretense of "working vacations" has been destroyed by
this fiasco.
Mr. Bush's communications director, Nicolle Devenish, was married this
weekend in Greece, and a number of Mr. Bush's political advisers -
including Ken Mehlman, the Republican National Committee chairman -
attended the wedding.
Ms. Rice did not return to Washington until Thursday, after she was
spotted at a Broadway show and shopping for shoes, an image that
Republicans said buttressed the notion of a White House unconcerned
with tragedy.
Even Ismelda Marcos had more sense than to flaunt her shoe fetish in
public.
These officials said that Mr. Bush and his political aides rapidly
changed course in what they acknowledged was a belated realization of
the situation's political ramifications. As is common when this White
House confronts a serious problem, management was quickly taken over by
Mr. Rove and a group of associates including Mr. Bartlett. Neither man
responded to requests for comment.
White House advisers said that Mr. Bush expressed alarm after his
return to Washington from the Gulf Coast.
Wow. I know he doesn't read newspapers, but doesn't he watch
television?
One senior White House official said that Mr. Bush appeared at a senior
staff meeting in the Situation Room on Friday and called the results on
the ground "unacceptable." At the encouragement of Mr. Bartlett,
officials said, he repeated the comment later in the Rose Garden, the
start of this campaign.
The fumbled federal response to this catastrophe has shaken public
confidence in our government's ability to provide effective homeland
security. People need to see tangible evidence our government is
committed to providing effective homeland security. Otherwise, the
doubt will take root and spread like rust. Who will support "homeland
security" if protecting Persian Gulf states gets priority over
protecting Gulf coast states? We cannot afford that crisis of
confidence.
Even President Bush recognizes the impact of this catastrophe will be
widespread, severe, and sustained. That means everyone, including
President Bush, can expect to make some significant sacrifices. As bad
as things are right now, we still need to prepare for the future.
Hurricane season is not over. What happens if Texas is hit this year
or next year? What happens when flu season starts? Who is paying for
the extra costs of housing, feeding, educating, and caring for refugees
and their families? We can't abandon cities in America while we defend
them in Iraq.
It's time Mr. Bush started acting like his fellow Texans in Houston and
Dallas. He needs to lead by example. It's time for him to reorder his
priorities and repeal his tax cuts. We can't let a sea of American
refugees suffer so a wealthy few can enjoy their second summer home.
I realize you go into catastrophes with the president you have, not the
one you would like to have. That is why Congress needs to give him a
simple choice: lead, follow, or get out of the way.
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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05 Sep 2005 12:00:16 PM |
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In episode <1125911196.321592.159050@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
ConservativeLeech burst into the room and exclaimed:
Rove and Bush get it together to operate poisonous spin machine against
victims ("They chose to stay"), state and local officials ("It's their
people"), Democrats ("Clinton", "Ted Kennedy" "Chappaquiddick"), but
couldn't get it together to perform the Presidential job of protecting
Americans.
Yep. They can move damn fast to control political damage to themselves,
they're just not any good at actually saving US American lives...
--
Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
Alt-atheism website at: http://www.alt-atheism.org
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"Come to think of it, there are already a million
monkeys on a million typewriters, and the Usenet
is NOTHING like Shakespeare!" -- Blair Houghton
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05 Sep 2005 01:51:02 PM |
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Has anyone seen ***** Cheney lately? I have a feeling that the guy is on
life support.
"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in message
news:CvidnUTBnKvUroHeRVn-2g@megapath.net...
In episode <1125911196.321592.159050@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
ConservativeLeech burst into the room and exclaimed:
Rove and Bush get it together to operate poisonous spin machine against
victims ("They chose to stay"), state and local officials ("It's their
people"), Democrats ("Clinton", "Ted Kennedy" "Chappaquiddick"), but
couldn't get it together to perform the Presidential job of protecting
Americans.
Yep. They can move damn fast to control political damage to themselves,
they're just not any good at actually saving US American lives...
--
Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
Alt-atheism website at: http://www.alt-atheism.org
--------------------------------------------------
"Come to think of it, there are already a million
monkeys on a million typewriters, and the Usenet
is NOTHING like Shakespeare!" -- Blair Houghton
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| Title: Re: Rove is managing the "blame the local (Democratic) officials" campaign - NYT - What a Surprise! |
05 Sep 2005 03:31:32 PM |
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FEMA functioned fine in Florida hurricanes, especially during election
years.
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05 Sep 2005 05:04:28 PM |
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Fraser <gre_@fraser.net> wrote in news:96poh1taaqbfkrhhp8hrsdp858vl6n939g@
4ax.com:
FEMA functioned fine in Florida hurricanes, especially during election
years.
Florida actually has a functional hurricane preparedness plan, and follows
it.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
I think if we had a three-word message right now it’d be, ‘We can do
better.’
- Howard Dean
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06 Sep 2005 02:48:06 AM |
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"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in message
news:1125939870.c17053af9eeb152db0764b9ee3ed32e0@teranews...
Fraser <gre_@fraser.net> wrote in news:96poh1taaqbfkrhhp8hrsdp858vl6n939g@
4ax.com:
FEMA functioned fine in Florida hurricanes, especially during election
years.
Florida actually has a functional hurricane preparedness plan, and follows
it.
Operation Blame the Victims continues........
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Aloha,
G-Ride
"Like a quarrelling group of monkeys on a leaky boat, armed with sticks of
dynamite, we are now embarked on an uncertain journey."
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06 Sep 2005 12:12:59 PM |
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"G-Ride" <gride42nospammotherfucker@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:3o4eb5F46fajU1@individual.net:
"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in message
news:1125939870.c17053af9eeb152db0764b9ee3ed32e0@teranews...
Fraser <gre_@fraser.net> wrote in
news:96poh1taaqbfkrhhp8hrsdp858vl6n939g@ 4ax.com:
FEMA functioned fine in Florida hurricanes, especially during
election years.
Florida actually has a functional hurricane preparedness plan, and
follows it.
Operation Blame the Victims continues........
I see that G-Ride is still on Operation Democrats Are Irresponsible.
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Fred Stone
aa# 1369
I think if we had a three-word message right now it’d be, ‘We can do
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- Howard Dean
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06 Sep 2005 03:54:54 AM |
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In episode <3o4eb5F46fajU1@individual.net>, G-Ride burst into the room and
exclaimed:
"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in message
news:1125939870.c17053af9eeb152db0764b9ee3ed32e0@teranews...
Fraser <gre_@fraser.net> wrote in
news:96poh1taaqbfkrhhp8hrsdp858vl6n939g@ 4ax.com:
FEMA functioned fine in Florida hurricanes, especially during election
years.
Florida actually has a functional hurricane preparedness plan, and
follows it.
Operation Blame the Victims continues........
Phred continues to ignore that we moved *one *million people out of the
way of the storm. If that's not a "functional hurricane preparedness
plan," what is?
There are hundreds of thousands of us alive today because of people like
Blanco and Nagin.
There are thousands, maybe tens of thousands, of us dead today because of
people like Brown and Bush.
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Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
Alt-atheism website at: http://www.alt-atheism.org
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"Come to think of it, there are already a million
monkeys on a million typewriters, and the Usenet
is NOTHING like Shakespeare!" -- Blair Houghton
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06 Sep 2005 04:46:06 PM |
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"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in
news:BuydnVkCx-KSjoDeRVn-1w@megapath.net:
In episode <3o4eb5F46fajU1@individual.net>, G-Ride burst into the room
and exclaimed:
"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in message
news:1125939870.c17053af9eeb152db0764b9ee3ed32e0@teranews...
Fraser <gre_@fraser.net> wrote in
news:96poh1taaqbfkrhhp8hrsdp858vl6n939g@ 4ax.com:
FEMA functioned fine in Florida hurricanes, especially during
election years.
Florida actually has a functional hurricane preparedness plan, and
follows it.
Operation Blame the Victims continues........
Phred continues to ignore that we moved *one *million people out of
the way of the storm. If that's not a "functional hurricane
preparedness plan," what is?
Who is this "we"? They moved themselves. The city failed the ones who
didn't have cars of their own.
Mayor Nagin failed that two or three hundred thousand, including the
ones in hospitals and nursing homes. Not to mention failing to provide
supplies for the Superdome and the Convention center.
There are hundreds of thousands of us alive today because of people
like Blanco and Nagin.
There are thousands, maybe tens of thousands, dead because Blanco and
Nagin didn't follow through on their disaster plan. They knew this would
happen. They had *proof* after Hurricane Ivan last year.
There are thousands, maybe tens of thousands, of us dead today because
of people like Brown and Bush.
Those million are *alive* because Bush got on the phone to demand that
they evacuate the city.
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Fred Stone
aa# 1369
I think if we had a three-word message right now it’d be, ‘We can do
better.’
- Howard Dean
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| Title: Re: Rove is managing the "blame the local (Democratic) officials" campaign - NYT - What a Surprise! |
07 Sep 2005 12:40:43 AM |
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In episode <1126025168.6cfd5c70a271d26c275ca48927735702@teranews>, Fred
Stone burst into the room and exclaimed:
"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in
news:BuydnVkCx-KSjoDeRVn-1w@megapath.net:
In episode <3o4eb5F46fajU1@individual.net>, G-Ride burst into the room
and exclaimed:
"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in message
news:1125939870.c17053af9eeb152db0764b9ee3ed32e0@teranews...
Fraser <gre_@fraser.net> wrote in
news:96poh1taaqbfkrhhp8hrsdp858vl6n939g@ 4ax.com:
FEMA functioned fine in Florida hurricanes, especially during
election years.
Florida actually has a functional hurricane preparedness plan, and
follows it.
Operation Blame the Victims continues........
Phred continues to ignore that we moved *one *million people out of the
way of the storm. If that's not a "functional hurricane preparedness
plan," what is?
Who is this "we"? They moved themselves. The city failed the ones who
didn't have cars of their own.
You have no fucking clue what you're talking about. Your exact location
through all of this was: NOT FUCKING HERE.
I know about the evacuation plan. I was in the evacuation. I know how much
work was put into the plan. I know about all the state patrols. I saw one
zip up to check on me when I was pulled over at the side of I-10 to give
the dogs a break. I saw the helicopters patrolling every outbound artery.
I saw contra-flow in operation. I saw the construction work that made
contra-flow work. I saw the electronic signs along the evacuation routes
giving out information. I heard the non-stop notices on 870. I saw the
rerouting of traffic on highway 61 to relieve a bottleneck that popped up.
Don't try to lie to me about my backyard. It just makes you look foolish.
Mayor Nagin failed that two or three hundred thousand, including the ones
in hospitals and nursing homes. Not to mention failing to provide supplies
for the Superdome and the Convention center.
Yeah, he was supposed to whip out his Lousiana Express Gold Card and run
to the Winn-Dixie. Damn, if only somebody had asked for help on Friday. If
only somebody had told some... call it "Emergency Management" organization
that a poor state was about to be overwhelmed and needed the power and
resources of the federal government to help save lives. If only... oh
wait, Governor Blanco *did.
Where were the supplies going to come from Fred? You don't seem to be able
to tell me where the supplies were going to come from. Apparently you
think Nagin was supposed to excrete them.
There are hundreds of thousands of us alive today because of people like
Blanco and Nagin.
There are thousands, maybe tens of thousands, dead because Blanco and
Nagin didn't follow through on their disaster plan. They knew this would
happen. They had *proof* after Hurricane Ivan last year.
Why do you lie to me about where I live? Do you know how stupid that is?
The plan was reworked and we moved a million people without FEMA help. You
demand Blanco and Nagin see into the future and make supplies appear by
magic.
There are thousands, maybe tens of thousands, of us dead today because
of people like Brown and Bush.
Those million are *alive* because Bush got on the phone to demand that
they evacuate the city.
*****. We were evacuating already. He had *nothing to do with it. Not a
fucking thing. The mandatory evacuation came about because Max Mayfield of
the NHC briefed Blanco, Nagin, BROWN, and JERKOFF I mean CHERTOFF that
this was going to be "the big one." Bush's entire contribution was to say
we should do what we were doing.
Oh *that was helpful.
Why do you think you can get away with lying to someone who lived through
this?
--
Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
Alt-atheism website at: http://www.alt-atheism.org
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"Come to think of it, there are already a million
monkeys on a million typewriters, and the Usenet
is NOTHING like Shakespeare!" -- Blair Houghton
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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| Title: Re: Rove is managing the "blame the local (Democratic) officials" campaign - NYT - What a Surprise! |
07 Sep 2005 02:06:11 AM |
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"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in
news:5eWdnTa1k-uXqoPeRVn-iA@megapath.net:
In episode <1126025168.6cfd5c70a271d26c275ca48927735702@teranews>,
Fred Stone burst into the room and exclaimed:
"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in
news:BuydnVkCx-KSjoDeRVn-1w@megapath.net:
In episode <3o4eb5F46fajU1@individual.net>, G-Ride burst into the
room and exclaimed:
"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in message
news:1125939870.c17053af9eeb152db0764b9ee3ed32e0@teranews...
Fraser <gre_@fraser.net> wrote in
news:96poh1taaqbfkrhhp8hrsdp858vl6n939g@ 4ax.com:
FEMA functioned fine in Florida hurricanes, especially during
election years.
Florida actually has a functional hurricane preparedness plan, and
follows it.
Operation Blame the Victims continues........
Phred continues to ignore that we moved *one *million people out of
the way of the storm. If that's not a "functional hurricane
preparedness plan," what is?
Who is this "we"? They moved themselves. The city failed the ones who
didn't have cars of their own.
You have no fucking clue what you're talking about. Your exact
location through all of this was: NOT FUCKING HERE.
I know about the evacuation plan. I was in the evacuation. I know how
much work was put into the plan. I know about all the state patrols. I
saw one zip up to check on me when I was pulled over at the side of
I-10 to give the dogs a break. I saw the helicopters patrolling every
outbound artery. I saw contra-flow in operation. I saw the
construction work that made contra-flow work. I saw the electronic
signs along the evacuation routes giving out information. I heard the
non-stop notices on 870. I saw the rerouting of traffic on highway 61
to relieve a bottleneck that popped up.
Don't try to lie to me about my backyard. It just makes you look
foolish.
I know what I'm talking about, Mark. All those buses, remember? 48 hours
notice? Like not waiting for the NHC to tell them it was coming down
their throats?
Mayor Nagin failed that two or three hundred thousand, including the
ones in hospitals and nursing homes. Not to mention failing to
provide supplies for the Superdome and the Convention center.
Yeah, he was supposed to whip out his Lousiana Express Gold Card and
run to the Winn-Dixie. Damn, if only somebody had asked for help on
Friday.
Damn, if only somebody had had the supplies stockpiled before the
emergency, like anybody with any sense would have known.
If only somebody had told some... call it "Emergency
Management" organization that a poor state was about to be overwhelmed
and needed the power and resources of the federal government to help
save lives. If only... oh wait, Governor Blanco *did.
Bit late to come to that realization.
Where were the supplies going to come from Fred? You don't seem to be
able to tell me where the supplies were going to come from. Apparently
you think Nagin was supposed to excrete them.
Answer your own question, Mark. Where was all this support supposed to
come from between Friday and Monday?
There are hundreds of thousands of us alive today because of people
like Blanco and Nagin.
There are thousands, maybe tens of thousands, dead because Blanco and
Nagin didn't follow through on their disaster plan. They knew this
would happen. They had *proof* after Hurricane Ivan last year.
Why do you lie to me about where I live? Do you know how stupid that
is?
Why do you pretend that the facts aren't available to me, Mark. This is
the 21st century, you know. Internet?
The plan was reworked and we moved a million people without FEMA help.
You demand Blanco and Nagin see into the future and make supplies
appear by magic.
No, I remind *YOU* that they didn't plan ahead *A YEAR AGO* when they
had a preview from Ivan. They delayed calling for help until nobody but
God Himself could provide it for them in time. And then YOU use their
incompetence as an excuse for the disastrous results.
There are thousands, maybe tens of thousands, of us dead today
because of people like Brown and Bush.
Those million are *alive* because Bush got on the phone to demand
that they evacuate the city.
*****. We were evacuating already. He had *nothing to do with it.
Not a fucking thing. The mandatory evacuation came about because Max
Mayfield of the NHC briefed Blanco, Nagin, BROWN, and JERKOFF I mean
CHERTOFF that this was going to be "the big one." Bush's entire
contribution was to say we should do what we were doing.
Oh *that was helpful.
Why do you think you can get away with lying to someone who lived
through this?
Now you're contradicting the reports fron NOLA itself, Mark.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
I think if we had a three-word message right now it’d be, ‘We can do
better.’
- Howard Dean
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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| Title: Re: Rove is managing the "blame the local (Democratic) officials" campaign - NYT - What a Surprise! |
07 Sep 2005 05:15:33 AM |
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In episode <1126058771.c6c07ca9d5f364d350cc4fc962c3387a@teranews>, Fred
Stone burst into the room and exclaimed:
I know what I'm talking about, Mark. All those buses, remember? 48 hours
notice? Like not waiting for the NHC to tell them it was coming down their
throats?
Excuse me? Now we're supposed to ignore the actual experts? And you said
*I sounded like a fundie?
Why weren't they evacuating Houston then? Katrina wasn't headed for them
on Friday.
--
Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
Alt-atheism website at: http://www.alt-atheism.org
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"Come to think of it, there are already a million
monkeys on a million typewriters, and the Usenet
is NOTHING like Shakespeare!" -- Blair Houghton
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| User: "Kate " |
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| Title: Re: Rove is managing the "blame the local (Democratic) officials" campaign - NYT - What a Surprise! |
07 Sep 2005 01:31:03 AM |
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On Tue, 06 Sep 2005 19:40:43 -0500, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote:
In episode <1126025168.6cfd5c70a271d26c275ca48927735702@teranews>, Fred
Stone burst into the room and exclaimed:
"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in
news:BuydnVkCx-KSjoDeRVn-1w@megapath.net:
In episode <3o4eb5F46fajU1@individual.net>, G-Ride burst into the room
and exclaimed:
"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in message
news:1125939870.c17053af9eeb152db0764b9ee3ed32e0@teranews...
Fraser <gre_@fraser.net> wrote in
news:96poh1taaqbfkrhhp8hrsdp858vl6n939g@ 4ax.com:
FEMA functioned fine in Florida hurricanes, especially during
election years.
Florida actually has a functional hurricane preparedness plan, and
follows it.
Operation Blame the Victims continues........
Phred continues to ignore that we moved *one *million people out of the
way of the storm. If that's not a "functional hurricane preparedness
plan," what is?
Who is this "we"? They moved themselves. The city failed the ones who
didn't have cars of their own.
You have no fucking clue what you're talking about. Your exact location
through all of this was: NOT FUCKING HERE.
I know about the evacuation plan. I was in the evacuation. I know how much
work was put into the plan. I know about all the state patrols. I saw one
zip up to check on me when I was pulled over at the side of I-10 to give
the dogs a break. I saw the helicopters patrolling every outbound artery.
I saw contra-flow in operation. I saw the construction work that made
contra-flow work. I saw the electronic signs along the evacuation routes
giving out information. I heard the non-stop notices on 870. I saw the
rerouting of traffic on highway 61 to relieve a bottleneck that popped up.
Don't try to lie to me about my backyard. It just makes you look foolish.
Mayor Nagin failed that two or three hundred thousand, including the ones
in hospitals and nursing homes. Not to mention failing to provide supplies
for the Superdome and the Convention center.
Yeah, he was supposed to whip out his Lousiana Express Gold Card and run
to the Winn-Dixie. Damn, if only somebody had asked for help on Friday. If
only somebody had told some... call it "Emergency Management" organization
that a poor state was about to be overwhelmed and needed the power and
resources of the federal government to help save lives. If only... oh
wait, Governor Blanco *did.
Where were the supplies going to come from Fred? You don't seem to be able
to tell me where the supplies were going to come from. Apparently you
think Nagin was supposed to excrete them.
He was supposed to get them from the Feds. That was the plan, but the
feds fucked him and everyone else.
I guess his mistake was taking the feds on their word that they would
help when asked.
Your man screwed up again Fred.
There are hundreds of thousands of us alive today because of people like
Blanco and Nagin.
There are thousands, maybe tens of thousands, dead because Blanco and
Nagin didn't follow through on their disaster plan. They knew this would
happen. They had *proof* after Hurricane Ivan last year.
Why do you lie to me about where I live? Do you know how stupid that is?
The plan was reworked and we moved a million people without FEMA help. You
demand Blanco and Nagin see into the future and make supplies appear by
magic.
There are thousands, maybe tens of thousands, of us dead today because
of people like Brown and Bush.
Those million are *alive* because Bush got on the phone to demand that
they evacuate the city.
LOL, where the hell did you find that lie. Let's see your cite on
that one.
You are such a fucking naive idiot.
*****. We were evacuating already. He had *nothing to do with it. Not a
fucking thing. The mandatory evacuation came about because Max Mayfield of
the NHC briefed Blanco, Nagin, BROWN, and JERKOFF I mean CHERTOFF that
this was going to be "the big one." Bush's entire contribution was to say
we should do what we were doing.
Oh *that was helpful.
Why do you think you can get away with lying to someone who lived through
this?
I don't know, like Bush he changes the excuse with each thread - at
some point the feds were there on time (invisible apparently, but
there), Then Blanco didn't ask for them, so of course they weren't
there. Then they weren't supposed to be there even if asked for
properly, now it's because Nagin fucked up (apparently because he
thought the Feds would do what they were supposed to).
It's the usual neo-con response. Rattle out excuses, but shriek and
run away from any tiny speck of responsibility.
Apparently Fred thinks the Feds can't handle responsibility. I bet
there's not a single little tiny thing he can possibly think of that
they didn't do right, or well enough.
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| Title: Re: Rove is managing the "blame the local (Democratic) officials" campaign - NYT - What a Surprise! |
07 Sep 2005 02:51:05 AM |
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(Kate ) wrote in
news:43ef4127.1558003421@news-west.newscene.com:
On Tue, 06 Sep 2005 19:40:43 -0500, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote:
In episode <1126025168.6cfd5c70a271d26c275ca48927735702@teranews>,
Fred Stone burst into the room and exclaimed:
"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in
news:BuydnVkCx-KSjoDeRVn-1w@megapath.net:
In episode <3o4eb5F46fajU1@individual.net>, G-Ride burst into the
room and exclaimed:
"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in message
news:1125939870.c17053af9eeb152db0764b9ee3ed32e0@teranews...
Fraser <gre_@fraser.net> wrote in
news:96poh1taaqbfkrhhp8hrsdp858vl6n939g@ 4ax.com:
FEMA functioned fine in Florida hurricanes, especially during
election years.
Florida actually has a functional hurricane preparedness plan,
and follows it.
Operation Blame the Victims continues........
Phred continues to ignore that we moved *one *million people out of
the way of the storm. If that's not a "functional hurricane
preparedness plan," what is?
Who is this "we"? They moved themselves. The city failed the ones
who didn't have cars of their own.
You have no fucking clue what you're talking about. Your exact
location through all of this was: NOT FUCKING HERE.
I know about the evacuation plan. I was in the evacuation. I know how
much work was put into the plan. I know about all the state patrols. I
saw one zip up to check on me when I was pulled over at the side of
I-10 to give the dogs a break. I saw the helicopters patrolling every
outbound artery. I saw contra-flow in operation. I saw the
construction work that made contra-flow work. I saw the electronic
signs along the evacuation routes giving out information. I heard the
non-stop notices on 870. I saw the rerouting of traffic on highway 61
to relieve a bottleneck that popped up.
Don't try to lie to me about my backyard. It just makes you look
foolish.
Mayor Nagin failed that two or three hundred thousand, including the
ones in hospitals and nursing homes. Not to mention failing to
provide supplies for the Superdome and the Convention center.
Yeah, he was supposed to whip out his Lousiana Express Gold Card and
run to the Winn-Dixie. Damn, if only somebody had asked for help on
Friday. If only somebody had told some... call it "Emergency
Management" organization that a poor state was about to be overwhelmed
and needed the power and resources of the federal government to help
save lives. If only... oh wait, Governor Blanco *did.
Where were the supplies going to come from Fred? You don't seem to be
able to tell me where the supplies were going to come from. Apparently
you think Nagin was supposed to excrete them.
He was supposed to get them from the Feds. That was the plan, but the
feds fucked him and everyone else.
I guess his mistake was taking the feds on their word that they would
help when asked.
Your man screwed up again Fred.
There are hundreds of thousands of us alive today because of people
like Blanco and Nagin.
There are thousands, maybe tens of thousands, dead because Blanco
and Nagin didn't follow through on their disaster plan. They knew
this would happen. They had *proof* after Hurricane Ivan last year.
Why do you lie to me about where I live? Do you know how stupid that
is?
The plan was reworked and we moved a million people without FEMA help.
You demand Blanco and Nagin see into the future and make supplies
appear by magic.
There are thousands, maybe tens of thousands, of us dead today
because of people like Brown and Bush.
Those million are *alive* because Bush got on the phone to demand
that they evacuate the city.
LOL, where the hell did you find that lie. Let's see your cite on
that one.
http://www.nola.com/newsflash/louisiana/index.ssf?/base/news-
18/1125239940201382.xml&storylist=louisiana
"Gov. Kathleen Blanco, standing beside the mayor at a news conference,
said President Bush called and personally appealed for a mandatory
evacuation for the low-lying city, which is prone to flooding."
You are such a fucking naive idiot.
You are *sooooo* easy, Kate.
*****. We were evacuating already. He had *nothing to do with it.
Not a fucking thing. The mandatory evacuation came about because Max
Mayfield of the NHC briefed Blanco, Nagin, BROWN, and JERKOFF I mean
CHERTOFF that this was going to be "the big one." Bush's entire
contribution was to say we should do what we were doing.
Oh *that was helpful.
Why do you think you can get away with lying to someone who lived
through this?
I don't know, like Bush he changes the excuse with each thread - at
some point the feds were there on time (invisible apparently, but
there), Then Blanco didn't ask for them, so of course they weren't
there. Then they weren't supposed to be there even if asked for
properly, now it's because Nagin fucked up (apparently because he
thought the Feds would do what they were supposed to).
Nice way to oversimplify, Kate. You sure look like a fool when you do
that.
It's the usual neo-con response. Rattle out excuses, but shriek and
run away from any tiny speck of responsibility.
Apparently Fred thinks the Feds can't handle responsibility.
That's funny as hell, since Blanco was basically complaining that they
wanted *all* the responsibility.
I bet
there's not a single little tiny thing he can possibly think of that
they didn't do right, or well enough.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
I think if we had a three-word message right now it’d be, ‘We can do
better.’
- Howard Dean
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| Title: Re: Rove is managing the "blame the local (Democratic) officials" campaign - NYT - What a Surprise! |
07 Sep 2005 05:17:29 AM |
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In episode <1126061470.cfa7fb75e62f91675560f66743a59605@teranews>, Fred
Stone burst into the room and exclaimed:
http://www.nola.com/newsflash/louisiana/index.ssf?/base/news-
18/1125239940201382.xml&storylist=louisiana
"Gov. Kathleen Blanco, standing beside the mayor at a news conference,
said President Bush called and personally appealed for a mandatory
evacuation for the low-lying city, which is prone to flooding."
The evacuations were already underway. And Bush got his information from
Max Mayfield who had already briefed Blanco and Nagin.
--
Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
Alt-atheism website at: http://www.alt-atheism.org
--------------------------------------------------
"Come to think of it, there are already a million
monkeys on a million typewriters, and the Usenet
is NOTHING like Shakespeare!" -- Blair Houghton
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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| Title: Re: Rove is managing the "blame the local (Democratic) officials" campaign - NYT - What a Surprise! |
07 Sep 2005 04:21:59 AM |
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In episode <43ef4127.1558003421@news-west.newscene.com>, Kate burst into
the room and exclaimed:
On Tue, 06 Sep 2005 19:40:43 -0500, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote:
In episode <1126025168.6cfd5c70a271d26c275ca48927735702@teranews>, Fred
Stone burst into the room and exclaimed:
"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in
news:BuydnVkCx-KSjoDeRVn-1w@megapath.net:
In episode <3o4eb5F46fajU1@individual.net>, G-Ride burst into the room
and exclaimed:
"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in message
news:1125939870.c17053af9eeb152db0764b9ee3ed32e0@teranews...
Fraser <gre_@fraser.net> wrote in
news:96poh1taaqbfkrhhp8hrsdp858vl6n939g@ 4ax.com:
FEMA functioned fine in Florida hurricanes, especially during
election years.
Florida actually has a functional hurricane preparedness plan, and
follows it.
Operation Blame the Victims continues........
Phred continues to ignore that we moved *one *million people out of
the way of the storm. If that's not a "functional hurricane
preparedness plan," what is?
Who is this "we"? They moved themselves. The city failed the ones who
didn't have cars of their own.
You have no fucking clue what you're talking about. Your exact location
through all of this was: NOT FUCKING HERE.
I know about the evacuation plan. I was in the evacuation. I know how
much work was put into the plan. I know about all the state patrols. I
saw one zip up to check on me when I was pulled over at the side of I-10
to give the dogs a break. I saw the helicopters patrolling every outbound
artery. I saw contra-flow in operation. I saw the construction work that
made contra-flow work. I saw the electronic signs along the evacuation
routes giving out information. I heard the non-stop notices on 870. I saw
the rerouting of traffic on highway 61 to relieve a bottleneck that
popped up.
Don't try to lie to me about my backyard. It just makes you look foolish.
Mayor Nagin failed that two or three hundred thousand, including the
ones in hospitals and nursing homes. Not to mention failing to provide
supplies for the Superdome and the Convention center.
Yeah, he was supposed to whip out his Lousiana Express Gold Card and run
to the Winn-Dixie. Damn, if only somebody had asked for help on Friday.
If only somebody had told some... call it "Emergency Management"
organization that a poor state was about to be overwhelmed and needed the
power and resources of the federal government to help save lives. If
only... oh wait, Governor Blanco *did.
Where were the supplies going to come from Fred? You don't seem to be
able to tell me where the supplies were going to come from. Apparently
you think Nagin was supposed to excrete them.
He was supposed to get them from the Feds. That was the plan, but the
feds fucked him and everyone else.
I guess his mistake was taking the feds on their word that they would help
when asked.
Your man screwed up again Fred.
That *was what was supposed to happen. When it got down to the wire, the
people left were to shelter in the Dome (and other places), hunker down,
and just make it through the storm. There are always going to be people
who can't evacuate for whatever reason. The best thing to do is get them
inside somewhere safe and hold on for FEMA.
Just this time, FEMA didn't show up.
There are hundreds of thousands of us alive today because of people
like Blanco and Nagin.
There are thousands, maybe tens of thousands, dead because Blanco and
Nagin didn't follow through on their disaster plan. They knew this
would happen. They had *proof* after Hurricane Ivan last year.
Why do you lie to me about where I live? Do you know how stupid that is?
The plan was reworked and we moved a million people without FEMA help.
You demand Blanco and Nagin see into the future and make supplies appear
by magic.
There are thousands, maybe tens of thousands, of us dead today because
of people like Brown and Bush.
Those million are *alive* because Bush got on the phone to demand that
they evacuate the city.
LOL, where the hell did you find that lie. Let's see your cite on that
one.
At some point, Bush did call Blanco to say something stupid like "you need
to get those people out of there." Mind you, the evacuation was already in
progress. It was *quite the DUH moment.
What actually happened was that Max Mayfield at the NHC briefed Blanco,
Nagin, Brown, Chertoff, and maybe some others on how Katrina was likely
to be "the big one." This happened around Sunday morning. Bush was getting
it second hand from Brown or Chertoff as I haven't heard at all that he,
himself, was in on the briefing.
Nagin went to work on a mandatory evacuation. Something that's never been
done here. It was getting down to *hours before the first major winds
would hit. By then, there wasn't even actually any time to enforce a
mandatory and Nagin knew that. He said so. But he hoped that the gravity
of the first ever mandatory evacuation would jolt folks who were thinking
"Ah, I made it through Betsy!"
You are such a fucking naive idiot.
*****. We were evacuating already. He had *nothing to do with it. Not
a fucking thing. The mandatory evacuation came about because Max Mayfield
of the NHC briefed Blanco, Nagin, BROWN, and JERKOFF I mean CHERTOFF that
this was going to be "the big one." Bush's entire contribution was to say
we should do what we were doing.
Oh *that was helpful.
Why do you think you can get away with lying to someone who lived through
this?
I don't know, like Bush he changes the excuse with each thread - at some
point the feds were there on time (invisible apparently, but there), Then
Blanco didn't ask for them, so of course they weren't there. Then they
weren't supposed to be there even if asked for properly, now it's because
Nagin fucked up (apparently because he thought the Feds would do what they
were supposed to).
It's the usual neo-con response. Rattle out excuses, but shriek and run
away from any tiny speck of responsibility.
Apparently Fred thinks the Feds can't handle responsibility. I bet
there's not a single little tiny thing he can possibly think of that they
didn't do right, or well enough.
I'm beginning to think there's actually something wrong mentally with the
man. The idea that he thinks he can lie to my face about something that I
actually experienced and witnessed personally is *bizarre. Reminds me a
lot of Duke.
Also, it's interesting what he's trying to do. Such as he claims Nagin was
supposed to begin evacuating the city even when Katrina was expected to
hit Florida. That doesn't even make any *sense. He yaps about "72 hours"
but that's not right. From the actual document he thinks he's citing:
"Precautionary Evacuation Notice: 72 hours or less"
"Special Needs Evacuation Order: 8-12 hours after Precautionary Evacuation
Notice issued"
"General Evacuation Notice: 48 hours or less"
Um, he's ignoring the "or less." Which "or less" was forced on us by
Katrina who turned our direction about 48 hours before landfall. The
*hurricane didn't give us 72 hours. And the 72 hours was a "precautionary"
notice. Well, that *happened.
On Friday, 72 hours before landfall, we were all on alert. Evacuation
preparations were being made. Including preparing to set up the new
contra-flow. But Katrina was still aimed at Florida. So we all went to bed.
Sometime Saturday morning, the models jumped a *big distance and she was
headed for us. The "general evacuation" planning and notices started up.
We were, according to plan, starting phase one. Things were worked damn
well all day long.
Then, Katrina got *mean...
--
Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
Alt-atheism website at: http://www.alt-atheism.org
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"Come to think of it, there are already a million
monkeys on a million typewriters, and the Usenet
is NOTHING like Shakespeare!" -- Blair Houghton
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07 Sep 2005 01:49:36 PM |
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"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in
news:M6adnRI84I5494PeRVn-3A@megapath.net:
In episode <43ef4127.1558003421@news-west.newscene.com>, Kate burst
into the room and exclaimed:
On Tue, 06 Sep 2005 19:40:43 -0500, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote:
In episode <1126025168.6cfd5c70a271d26c275ca48927735702@teranews>,
Fred Stone burst into the room and exclaimed:
"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in
news:BuydnVkCx-KSjoDeRVn-1w@megapath.net:
In episode <3o4eb5F46fajU1@individual.net>, G-Ride burst into the
room and exclaimed:
"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in message
news:1125939870.c17053af9eeb152db0764b9ee3ed32e0@teranews...
Fraser <gre_@fraser.net> wrote in
news:96poh1taaqbfkrhhp8hrsdp858vl6n939g@ 4ax.com:
FEMA functioned fine in Florida hurricanes, especially during
election years.
Florida actually has a functional hurricane preparedness plan,
and follows it.
Operation Blame the Victims continues........
Phred continues to ignore that we moved *one *million people out
of the way of the storm. If that's not a "functional hurricane
preparedness plan," what is?
Who is this "we"? They moved themselves. The city failed the ones
who didn't have cars of their own.
You have no fucking clue what you're talking about. Your exact
location through all of this was: NOT FUCKING HERE.
I know about the evacuation plan. I was in the evacuation. I know how
much work was put into the plan. I know about all the state patrols.
I saw one zip up to check on me when I was pulled over at the side of
I-10 to give the dogs a break. I saw the helicopters patrolling every
outbound artery. I saw contra-flow in operation. I saw the
construction work that made contra-flow work. I saw the electronic
signs along the evacuation routes giving out information. I heard the
non-stop notices on 870. I saw the rerouting of traffic on highway 61
to relieve a bottleneck that popped up.
Don't try to lie to me about my backyard. It just makes you look
foolish.
Mayor Nagin failed that two or three hundred thousand, including
the ones in hospitals and nursing homes. Not to mention failing to
provide supplies for the Superdome and the Convention center.
Yeah, he was supposed to whip out his Lousiana Express Gold Card and
run to the Winn-Dixie. Damn, if only somebody had asked for help on
Friday. If only somebody had told some... call it "Emergency
Management" organization that a poor state was about to be
overwhelmed and needed the power and resources of the federal
government to help save lives. If only... oh wait, Governor Blanco
*did.
Where were the supplies going to come from Fred? You don't seem to be
able to tell me where the supplies were going to come from.
Apparently you think Nagin was supposed to excrete them.
He was supposed to get them from the Feds. That was the plan, but
the feds fucked him and everyone else.
I guess his mistake was taking the feds on their word that they would
help when asked.
Your man screwed up again Fred.
That *was what was supposed to happen. When it got down to the wire,
the people left were to shelter in the Dome (and other places), hunker
down, and just make it through the storm. There are always going to be
people who can't evacuate for whatever reason. The best thing to do is
get them inside somewhere safe and hold on for FEMA.
Yeah, tell them to hold on, but don't provide food or water or adequate
sanitary facilities. Just cry because it takes time to organize the
relief effort.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
I think if we had a three-word message right now it’d be, ‘We can do
better.’
- Howard Dean
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07 Sep 2005 04:24:51 PM |
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In episode <1126100977.24a554bee5d1c1817d264304797b5bbf@teranews>, Fred
Stone burst into the room and exclaimed:
Yeah, tell them to hold on, but don't provide food or water or adequate
sanitary facilities. Just cry because it takes time to organize the relief
effort.
You offer nothing but demands a poor state do things that cost money. Then
yap about a stadium being built that appears to be invisible. Then
complain that nutrition programs, child protection, crime fighting, and
hurricane protection programs were "pork" that could be cut to... feed
people, take care of children, fight crime, and do hurricane protection.
You're not just an *****, you have actual mental problems.
--
Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
Alt-atheism website at: http://www.alt-atheism.org
--------------------------------------------------
"Come to think of it, there are already a million
monkeys on a million typewriters, and the Usenet
is NOTHING like Shakespeare!" -- Blair Houghton
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| Title: Re: Rove is managing the "blame the local (Democratic) officials" campaign - NYT - What a Surprise! |
07 Sep 2005 07:26:07 PM |
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"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in
news:0cydnd7dYbTSiYLeRVn-vQ@megapath.net:
In episode <1126100977.24a554bee5d1c1817d264304797b5bbf@teranews>,
Fred Stone burst into the room and exclaimed:
Yeah, tell them to hold on, but don't provide food or water or
adequate sanitary facilities. Just cry because it takes time to
organize the relief effort.
You offer nothing but demands a poor state do things that cost money.
You offer nothing but excuses that your state is too poor to spend money
to protect its own citizens.
Then yap about a stadium being built that appears to be invisible.
Last I looked the Superdome showed up real good in pictures.
Then complain that nutrition programs, child protection, crime
fighting, and hurricane protection programs were "pork" that could be
cut to... feed people, take care of children, fight crime, and do
hurricane protection.
I'm still waiting for you to explain why all the items on that list are
more important than preparing for a disastrous hurricane.
You're not just an *****, you have actual mental problems.
I take my meds. What's your excuse?
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
I think if we had a three-word message right now it’d be, ‘We can do
better.’
- Howard Dean
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07 Sep 2005 05:28:02 AM |
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On Tue, 06 Sep 2005 23:21:59 -0500, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote:
In episode <43ef4127.1558003421@news-west.newscene.com>, Kate burst into
the room and exclaimed:
On Tue, 06 Sep 2005 19:40:43 -0500, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote:
In episode <1126025168.6cfd5c70a271d26c275ca48927735702@teranews>, Fred
Stone burst into the room and exclaimed:
"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in
news:BuydnVkCx-KSjoDeRVn-1w@megapath.net:
In episode <3o4eb5F46fajU1@individual.net>, G-Ride burst into the room
and exclaimed:
"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in message
news:1125939870.c17053af9eeb152db0764b9ee3ed32e0@teranews...
Fraser <gre_@fraser.net> wrote in
news:96poh1taaqbfkrhhp8hrsdp858vl6n939g@ 4ax.com:
FEMA functioned fine in Florida hurricanes, especially during
election years.
Florida actually has a functional hurricane preparedness plan, and
follows it.
Operation Blame the Victims continues........
Phred continues to ignore that we moved *one *million people out of
the way of the storm. If that's not a "functional hurricane
preparedness plan," what is?
Who is this "we"? They moved themselves. The city failed the ones who
didn't have cars of their own.
You have no fucking clue what you're talking about. Your exact location
through all of this was: NOT FUCKING HERE.
I know about the evacuation plan. I was in the evacuation. I know how
much work was put into the plan. I know about all the state patrols. I
saw one zip up to check on me when I was pulled over at the side of I-10
to give the dogs a break. I saw the helicopters patrolling every outbound
artery. I saw contra-flow in operation. I saw the construction work that
made contra-flow work. I saw the electronic signs along the evacuation
routes giving out information. I heard the non-stop notices on 870. I saw
the rerouting of traffic on highway 61 to relieve a bottleneck that
popped up.
Don't try to lie to me about my backyard. It just makes you look foolish.
Mayor Nagin failed that two or three hundred thousand, including the
ones in hospitals and nursing homes. Not to mention failing to provide
supplies for the Superdome and the Convention center.
Yeah, he was supposed to whip out his Lousiana Express Gold Card and run
to the Winn-Dixie. Damn, if only somebody had asked for help on Friday.
If only somebody had told some... call it "Emergency Management"
organization that a poor state was about to be overwhelmed and needed the
power and resources of the federal government to help save lives. If
only... oh wait, Governor Blanco *did.
Where were the supplies going to come from Fred? You don't seem to be
able to tell me where the supplies were going to come from. Apparently
you think Nagin was supposed to excrete them.
He was supposed to get them from the Feds. That was the plan, but the
feds fucked him and everyone else.
I guess his mistake was taking the feds on their word that they would help
when asked.
Your man screwed up again Fred.
That *was what was supposed to happen. When it got down to the wire, the
people left were to shelter in the Dome (and other places), hunker down,
and just make it through the storm. There are always going to be people
who can't evacuate for whatever reason. The best thing to do is get them
inside somewhere safe and hold on for FEMA.
Just this time, FEMA didn't show up.
There are hundreds of thousands of us alive today because of people
like Blanco and Nagin.
There are thousands, maybe tens of thousands, dead because Blanco and
Nagin didn't follow through on their disaster plan. They knew this
would happen. They had *proof* after Hurricane Ivan last year.
Why do you lie to me about where I live? Do you know how stupid that is?
The plan was reworked and we moved a million people without FEMA help.
You demand Blanco and Nagin see into the future and make supplies appear
by magic.
There are thousands, maybe tens of thousands, of us dead today because
of people like Brown and Bush.
Those million are *alive* because Bush got on the phone to demand that
they evacuate the city.
LOL, where the hell did you find that lie. Let's see your cite on that
one.
At some point, Bush did call Blanco to say something stupid like "you need
to get those people out of there." Mind you, the evacuation was already in
progress. It was *quite the DUH moment.
What actually happened was that Max Mayfield at the NHC briefed Blanco,
Nagin, Brown, Chertoff, and maybe some others on how Katrina was likely
to be "the big one." This happened around Sunday morning. Bush was getting
it second hand from Brown or Chertoff as I haven't heard at all that he,
himself, was in on the briefing.
Nagin went to work on a mandatory evacuation. Something that's never been
done here. It was getting down to *hours before the first major winds
would hit. By then, there wasn't even actually any time to enforce a
mandatory and Nagin knew that. He said so. But he hoped that the gravity
of the first ever mandatory evacuation would jolt folks who were thinking
"Ah, I made it through Betsy!"
You are such a fucking naive idiot.
*****. We were evacuating already. He had *nothing to do with it. Not
a fucking thing. The mandatory evacuation came about because Max Mayfield
of the NHC briefed Blanco, Nagin, BROWN, and JERKOFF I mean CHERTOFF that
this was going to be "the big one." Bush's entire contribution was to say
we should do what we were doing.
Oh *that was helpful.
Why do you think you can get away with lying to someone who lived through
this?
I don't know, like Bush he changes the excuse with each thread - at some
point the feds were there on time (invisible apparently, but there), Then
Blanco didn't ask for them, so of course they weren't there. Then they
weren't supposed to be there even if asked for properly, now it's because
Nagin fucked up (apparently because he thought the Feds would do what they
were supposed to).
It's the usual neo-con response. Rattle out excuses, but shriek and run
away from any tiny speck of responsibility.
Apparently Fred thinks the Feds can't handle responsibility. I bet
there's not a single little tiny thing he can possibly think of that they
didn't do right, or well enough.
I'm beginning to think there's actually something wrong mentally with the
man. The idea that he thinks he can lie to my face about something that I
actually experienced and witnessed personally is *bizarre. Reminds me a
lot of Duke.
Also, it's interesting what he's trying to do. Such as he claims Nagin was
supposed to begin evacuating the city even when Katrina was expected to
hit Florida. That doesn't even make any *sense. He yaps about "72 hours"
but that's not right. From the actual document he thinks he's citing:
"Precautionary Evacuation Notice: 72 hours or less"
"Special Needs Evacuation Order: 8-12 hours after Precautionary Evacuation
Notice issued"
"General Evacuation Notice: 48 hours or less"
Um, he's ignoring the "or less." Which "or less" was forced on us by
Katrina who turned our direction about 48 hours before landfall. The
*hurricane didn't give us 72 hours. And the 72 hours was a "precautionary"
notice. Well, that *happened.
On Friday, 72 hours before landfall, we were all on alert. Evacuation
preparations were being made. Including preparing to set up the new
contra-flow. But Katrina was still aimed at Florida. So we all went to bed.
Sometime Saturday morning, the models jumped a *big distance and she was
headed for us. The "general evacuation" planning and notices started up.
We were, according to plan, starting phase one. Things were worked damn
well all day long.
Then, Katrina got *mean...
Gee, you mean everyone didn't know for sure there was a category 5
hurricane that was going to flood the city 2 days in advance?
I swear, you wonder how these guys manage to get to work everyday. I
know the type Fred is. The idiot in the next cube that no one else
can stand and everyone bitches about behind his back. You always
wonder how they hold on to their jobs. They always 'know everything'
and never shut up, but know nothing and drive everyone crazy. Nobody
wants them on their project because they always ***** it up when they
are, but blame everyone else.
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07 Sep 2005 04:49:00 PM |
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In episode <43f97902.1572303171@news-west.newscene.com>, Kate burst into
the room and exclaimed:
On Tue, 06 Sep 2005 23:21:59 -0500, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote:
In episode <43ef4127.1558003421@news-west.newscene.com>, Kate burst into
the room and exclaimed:
On Tue, 06 Sep 2005 19:40:43 -0500, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote:
In episode <1126025168.6cfd5c70a271d26c275ca48927735702@teranews>, Fred
Stone burst into the room and exclaimed:
"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in
news:BuydnVkCx-KSjoDeRVn-1w@megapath.net:
In episode <3o4eb5F46fajU1@individual.net>, G-Ride burst into the
room and exclaimed:
"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in message
news:1125939870.c17053af9eeb152db0764b9ee3ed32e0@teranews...
Fraser <gre_@fraser.net> wrote in
news:96poh1taaqbfkrhhp8hrsdp858vl6n939g@ 4ax.com:
FEMA functioned fine in Florida hurricanes, especially during
election years.
Florida actually has a functional hurricane preparedness plan, and
follows it.
Operation Blame the Victims continues........
Phred continues to ignore that we moved *one *million people out of
the way of the storm. If that's not a "functional hurricane
preparedness plan," what is?
Who is this "we"? They moved themselves. The city failed the ones who
didn't have cars of their own.
You have no fucking clue what you're talking about. Your exact location
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