Religions > Atheism > Sacred Sex Was Practiced In Jewish Temple, Says Da Vinci Code
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Sacred sex in the temple
By TERRY MATTINGLY
Scripps Howard News Service
24-MAY-06
In the beginning, Judaism was a faith built on sacred sex.
At least, that's what Dan Brown told 60 million readers in "The Da
Vinci Code," speaking though a fictional Harvard scholar named Robert
Langdon. And while the characters are fictional, the novelist continues
to affirm the statement that opens his book: "All descriptions of
artwork, architecture, documents and secret rituals in this novel are
accurate."
One of those "secret rituals" is an eye-opener.
"Langdon's Jewish students always looked flabbergasted when he told
them that the early Jewish tradition involved ritualistic sex. In the
temple, no less," wrote Brown, in one of many long speeches that
explain his iconoclastic plot. "Early Jews believed that the Holy of
Holies in Solomon's Temple housed not only God but also His powerful
female equal, Shekinah. Men seeking spiritual wholeness came to the
Temple to visit priestesses ... with whom they made love and
experienced the divine through physical union."
For most people, the big news in "The Da Vinci Code" story was its
message that Jesus was a brilliant and charismatic man _ but not the
Son of God _ who was married to St. Mary Magdalene, had a child and
tried to start a church built on secret truths and goddess worship.
But Jesus was killed and, after a few centuries, powerful men crushed
the Gnostic Christians. Meanwhile, the secret bloodline of Jesus, says
the novel, lived on in Europe.
That's the side of the book, and now the movie, that makes headlines.
But there is a message in the novel that is even more controversial
and, for traditional Christians and Jews, more radical, according to
philosopher Vishal Mangalwadi, who was born and educated in the diverse
religious culture of India.
"The Da Vinci Code" is absolutely right when it states that the
Judeo-Christian tradition, through the ages, did everything that it
could to suppress sexual mysticism, fertility rites and goddess
worship. The early church, he stressed, emerged in a world that was
packed with pagan sanctuaries filled with scores of temple prostitutes.
The Judeo-Christian tradition emphasized the holiness of marriage, but
never taught that sexual intercourse was _ in and of itself _ a sacred
rite in which the spirit escapes the body and is able commune with some
all-embracing deity.
"Dan Brown is right about the following: some pagan converts to Christ
did bring sexual mysticism into the early church," said Mangalwadi, in
a speech he delivered this week at Hollywood (Calif.) Presbyterian
Church. In fact, the Book of Revelation condemns two early churches
that tolerated believers who "practiced religious sex. It is possible
that before becoming Christians these women and men had participated in
prostitution in pagan temples ... .
"Given the fact that Christianity was an ascending religious force,
they may have found it to their advantage to attract customers in the
name of Christ. Some may well have re-written the life of Christ in the
light of pagan spirituality to justify their preferred 'religious'
practice."
In "The Da Vinci Code" itself, Brown stresses that the use of sexual
rituals to create union with the gods and goddesses is older than the
Christian faith and could, he claimed, be seen in Judaism. A one point,
a central character witnesses a modern ritual in which a couple has
sexual intercourse while surrounded by a circle of other members of the
secret society that is preserving the true Christianity.
Thus, Brown's alter ego explains: "Historically, intercourse was the
act through which male and female experienced God. The ancients
believed that the male was spiritually incomplete until he had carnal
knowledge of the sacred feminine. Physical union with the female
remained the sole means through which man could become spiritually
complete and ultimately achieve gnosis _ knowledge of the divine. ...
'By communing with woman,' Langdon said, 'man could achieve a climactic
instance when his mind went totally blank and he could see God.' "
The key is that this experience is the "sole means" for transformation.
This theme is explicit in the novel, even though the movie does not
stress it.
"Dan Brown is promoting a mystic experience in which our mind goes
'totally blank' _ beyond words, thoughts, ideals, beliefs and values,"
argued Mangalwadi. "This is a non-rational experience. Mystics promote
it because they consider the intellect to be the source of ignorance,
not a means to gaining knowledge."
(Terry Mattingly (www.tmatt.net) directs the Washington Journalism
Center at the Council for Christian Colleges & Universities.)
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01 Jun 2006 11:46:03 PM |
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Wayne Throop <> wrote in message
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: "brique" <briquenoir@freeuk.c0m>
: So, where did the original LA-LA breeding pairs come from then?
La Brea, of course. That's where all the fossils in LA are.
So it's not Donut and Constance then?
Wayne Throop http://sheol.org/throopw
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| User: "Roy Jose Lorr" |
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01 Jun 2006 12:56:05 PM |
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Wayne Throop wrote:
: Roy Jose Lorr <Kenthz@comcast.net>
: Where do the breeding pairs come from?
What breeding pairs? There are no new-species "breeding pairs" in the
evolutionary model. As has just been explained extensively in the thread.
If you want to criticize evolutionary biology, you have to start with
what it actually says, not with your own straw men.
: There is no evidence to support one species changing into another.
Only in the sense that there's no evidence that can't be ignored if
you plug your ears and says "LA-LA-LA-LA" loud enough.
Living in "LA-LA-LA-LA" land takes having religious belief
in genetic mutation angels falling from the sky to willy
nilly impregnate unsuspecting populations with random
recipes for new species. Lets see some evidence for one
species changing into another. Or is all you've got some
faith in religious icons sold you by evolution priests in a
tax funded temple of Sciencism where you received your
religious fundamentalist indoctrination?
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| User: "Wayne Throop" |
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01 Jun 2006 02:37:15 PM |
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: Roy Jose Lorr <Kenthz@comcast.net>
: Living in "LA-LA-LA-LA" land takes having religious belief
: in genetic mutation angels falling from the sky to willy
: nilly impregnate unsuspecting populations with random
: recipes for new species.
Attacking your own straw men still doesn't work.
Wayne Throop http://sheol.org/throopw
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| User: "Roy Jose Lorr" |
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01 Jun 2006 07:42:51 PM |
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Wayne Throop wrote:
: Roy Jose Lorr <Kenthz@comcast.net>
: Living in "LA-LA-LA-LA" land takes having religious belief
: in genetic mutation angels falling from the sky to willy
: nilly impregnate unsuspecting populations with random
: recipes for new species.
Attacking your own straw men still doesn't work.
The only 'straw man' here is "evolution theory".
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| User: "Wayne Throop" |
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01 Jun 2006 08:10:06 PM |
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: Roy Jose Lorr <Kenthz@comcast.net>
: The only 'straw man' here is "evolution theory".
Just so: you have created a straw man that you call "evolutionary theory".
It is, of course nothing at all like actual evolutionary theory as
used in biology.
Wayne Throop http://sheol.org/throopw
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| User: "Roy Jose Lorr" |
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01 Jun 2006 10:23:11 PM |
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Wayne Throop wrote:
: Roy Jose Lorr <Kenthz@comcast.net>
: The only 'straw man' here is "evolution theory".
Just so: you have created a straw man that you call "evolutionary theory".
I did not name the theory. Its still a [theory]... No?
It is, of course nothing at all like actual evolutionary theory as
used in biology.
That's one way for you to give biology a bad name.
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| User: "Wayne Throop" |
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01 Jun 2006 10:46:37 PM |
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: Roy Jose Lorr <Kenthz@comcast.net>
Wayne Throop http://sheol.org/throopw
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| User: "Wayne Throop" |
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01 Jun 2006 10:47:04 PM |
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:: you have created a straw man that you call "evolutionary theory".
: Roy Jose Lorr <Kenthz@comcast.net>
: I did not name the theory.
You used the name of an existing theory
for a straw man that's almost entirely of your own invention.
: Its still a [theory]... No?
Right. Just like the theory of gravity, or atomic theory,
or electromagnetic theory, or any number of others.
:: It is, of course nothing at all like actual evolutionary theory as
:: used in biology.
: That's one way for you to give biology a bad name.
Yes, using your straw man would give biology a bad name. That's why
biologists don't use your straw man. They use actual evolutionary theory,
just as physicists use actual gravitational theory.
Wayne Throop http://sheol.org/throopw
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| User: "Roy Jose Lorr" |
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02 Jun 2006 01:24:01 AM |
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Wayne Throop wrote:
:: you have created a straw man that you call "evolutionary theory".
: Roy Jose Lorr <Kenthz@comcast.net>
: I did not name the theory.
You used the name of an existing theory
for a straw man that's almost entirely of your own invention.
The theory is there as a straw man in black and white.
: Its still a [theory]... No?
Right. Just like the theory of gravity, or atomic theory,
or electromagnetic theory, or any number of others.
Those are theories with physical uses. The only use
evolution theory has is as a prop for Social Darwinism.
:: It is, of course nothing at all like actual evolutionary theory as
:: used in biology.
: That's one way for you to give biology a bad name.
Yes, using your straw man would give biology a bad name. That's why
biologists don't use your straw man. They use actual evolutionary theory,
just as physicists use actual gravitational theory.
Above.
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| User: "Wayne Throop" |
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02 Jun 2006 01:29:15 AM |
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: Roy Jose Lorr <Kenthz@comcast.net>
: The theory is there as a straw man in black and white.
Right. You keep propping up your straw man in black and white,
and ignoring what biologists actually say.
: Those are theories with physical uses.
Right. Just like evolutionary theory has physical uses.
Just because you don't know the uses, and refuse to think about them,
doesn't mean they don't exist.
Wayne Throop http://sheol.org/throopw
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| User: "Roy Jose Lorr" |
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02 Jun 2006 01:53:31 AM |
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Wayne Throop wrote:
: Roy Jose Lorr <Kenthz@comcast.net>
: The theory is there as a straw man in black and white.
Right. You keep propping up your straw man in black and white,
and ignoring what biologists actually say.
Does it occur to you that you're out of step with what's
actually being said by many of the luminaries in the biologies?
: Those are theories with physical uses.
Right. Just like evolutionary theory has physical uses.
Just because you don't know the uses, and refuse to think about them,
doesn't mean they don't exist.
Care to list some of the practical beneficial uses that come
solely from "evolution theory"?
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| User: "David Johnston" |
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02 Jun 2006 01:56:31 AM |
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On Thu, 01 Jun 2006 23:53:31 -0700, Roy Jose Lorr <Kenthz@comcast.net>
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: Those are theories with physical uses.
Right. Just like evolutionary theory has physical uses.
Just because you don't know the uses, and refuse to think about them,
doesn't mean they don't exist.
Care to list some of the practical beneficial uses that come
solely from "evolution theory"?
I can't think of any practical beneficial uses that come solely from
any theory.
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| User: "Roy Jose Lorr" |
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02 Jun 2006 02:10:28 AM |
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David Johnston wrote:
On Thu, 01 Jun 2006 23:53:31 -0700, Roy Jose Lorr <Kenthz@comcast.net>
wrote:
: Those are theories with physical uses.
Right. Just like evolutionary theory has physical uses.
Just because you don't know the uses, and refuse to think about them,
doesn't mean they don't exist.
Care to list some of the practical beneficial uses that come
solely from "evolution theory"?
I can't think of any practical beneficial uses that come solely from
any theory.
Umm... theory: fire makes light... practical use: bring fire
into dark cave... ugh.
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| User: "David Johnston" |
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02 Jun 2006 02:29:56 AM |
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On Fri, 02 Jun 2006 00:10:28 -0700, Roy Jose Lorr <Kenthz@comcast.net>
wrote:
David Johnston wrote:
On Thu, 01 Jun 2006 23:53:31 -0700, Roy Jose Lorr <Kenthz@comcast.net>
wrote:
: Those are theories with physical uses.
Right. Just like evolutionary theory has physical uses.
Just because you don't know the uses, and refuse to think about them,
doesn't mean they don't exist.
Care to list some of the practical beneficial uses that come
solely from "evolution theory"?
I can't think of any practical beneficial uses that come solely from
any theory.
Umm... theory: fire makes light...
That is not a theory. That is an observation. A theory would be a
suggested reason _why_ fire makes light.
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| User: "Roy Jose Lorr" |
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02 Jun 2006 04:26:00 AM |
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David Johnston wrote:
On Fri, 02 Jun 2006 00:10:28 -0700, Roy Jose Lorr <Kenthz@comcast.net>
wrote:
David Johnston wrote:
On Thu, 01 Jun 2006 23:53:31 -0700, Roy Jose Lorr <Kenthz@comcast.net>
wrote:
: Those are theories with physical uses.
Right. Just like evolutionary theory has physical uses.
Just because you don't know the uses, and refuse to think about them,
doesn't mean they don't exist.
Care to list some of the practical beneficial uses that come
solely from "evolution theory"?
I can't think of any practical beneficial uses that come solely from
any theory.
Umm... theory: fire makes light...
That is not a theory. That is an observation. A theory would be a
suggested reason _why_ fire makes light.
God of fire making light... take into dark cave.
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| User: "David Johnston" |
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02 Jun 2006 11:01:38 AM |
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On Fri, 02 Jun 2006 02:26:00 -0700, Roy Jose Lorr <Kenthz@comcast.net>
wrote:
David Johnston wrote:
On Fri, 02 Jun 2006 00:10:28 -0700, Roy Jose Lorr <Kenthz@comcast.net>
wrote:
David Johnston wrote:
On Thu, 01 Jun 2006 23:53:31 -0700, Roy Jose Lorr <Kenthz@comcast.net>
wrote:
: Those are theories with physical uses.
Right. Just like evolutionary theory has physical uses.
Just because you don't know the uses, and refuse to think about them,
doesn't mean they don't exist.
Care to list some of the practical beneficial uses that come
solely from "evolution theory"?
I can't think of any practical beneficial uses that come solely from
any theory.
Umm... theory: fire makes light...
That is not a theory. That is an observation. A theory would be a
suggested reason _why_ fire makes light.
God of fire making light... take into dark cave.
Now you see this is an example of someone being confused but certain.
Do you need the theory that a god of fire produces the light to come
up with the idea of lighting your cave?
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| User: "Roy Jose Lorr" |
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02 Jun 2006 07:55:58 PM |
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David Johnston wrote:
On Fri, 02 Jun 2006 02:26:00 -0700, Roy Jose Lorr <Kenthz@comcast.net>
wrote:
David Johnston wrote:
On Fri, 02 Jun 2006 00:10:28 -0700, Roy Jose Lorr <Kenthz@comcast.net>
wrote:
David Johnston wrote:
On Thu, 01 Jun 2006 23:53:31 -0700, Roy Jose Lorr <Kenthz@comcast.net>
wrote:
: Those are theories with physical uses.
Right. Just like evolutionary theory has physical uses.
Just because you don't know the uses, and refuse to think about them,
doesn't mean they don't exist.
Care to list some of the practical beneficial uses that come
solely from "evolution theory"?
I can't think of any practical beneficial uses that come solely from
any theory.
Umm... theory: fire makes light...
That is not a theory. That is an observation. A theory would be a
suggested reason _why_ fire makes light.
God of fire making light... take into dark cave.
Now you see this is an example of someone being confused but certain.
Do you need the theory that a god of fire produces the light to come
up with the idea of lighting your cave?
The concept of light precedes any use of it.
There's no quibbling, no 'confusion' when the theory
describes an obvious 'certainty'... something Darwin and the
minions who worship him can't do.
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| User: "David Johnston" |
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02 Jun 2006 09:43:33 PM |
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On Fri, 02 Jun 2006 17:55:58 -0700, Roy Jose Lorr <Kenthz@comcast.net>
wrote:
Now you see this is an example of someone being confused but certain.
Do you need the theory that a god of fire produces the light to come
up with the idea of lighting your cave?
The concept of light precedes any use of it.
Not true of course. Creatures who have no concepts whatsoever use
light. Plants, for example. Nor is the concept of light the same
thing as a theory of light.
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| User: "Roy Jose Lorr" |
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04 Jun 2006 04:23:02 PM |
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David Johnston wrote:
On Fri, 02 Jun 2006 17:55:58 -0700, Roy Jose Lorr <Kenthz@comcast.net>
wrote:
Now you see this is an example of someone being confused but certain.
Do you need the theory that a god of fire produces the light to come
up with the idea of lighting your cave?
The concept of light precedes any use of it.
Not true of course. Creatures who have no concepts whatsoever use
light.
True but we're not talking about rocks here.
Plants, for example. Nor is the concept of light the same
thing as a theory of light.
Theory without concept... incomprehensible.
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| User: "David Johnston" |
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04 Jun 2006 06:11:49 PM |
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On Sun, 04 Jun 2006 14:23:02 -0700, Roy Jose Lorr <Kenthz@comcast.net>
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David Johnston wrote:
On Fri, 02 Jun 2006 17:55:58 -0700, Roy Jose Lorr <Kenthz@comcast.net>
wrote:
Now you see this is an example of someone being confused but certain.
Do you need the theory that a god of fire produces the light to come
up with the idea of lighting your cave?
The concept of light precedes any use of it.
Not true of course. Creatures who have no concepts whatsoever use
light.
True but we're not talking about rocks here.
Ah. So you don't know the difference between a creature and a rock.
Plants, for example. Nor is the concept of light the same
thing as a theory of light.
Theory without concept... incomprehensible.
Many things are beyond your comprehension. For example you apparently
can't understand that while you need the concept of light to have a
theory of light, that does not mean your theory is the concept itself.
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| User: "Roy Jose Lorr" |
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04 Jun 2006 10:34:31 PM |
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David Johnston wrote:
On Sun, 04 Jun 2006 14:23:02 -0700, Roy Jose Lorr <Kenthz@comcast.net>
wrote:
David Johnston wrote:
On Fri, 02 Jun 2006 17:55:58 -0700, Roy Jose Lorr <Kenthz@comcast.net>
wrote:
Now you see this is an example of someone being confused but certain.
Do you need the theory that a god of fire produces the light to come
up with the idea of lighting your cave?
The concept of light precedes any use of it.
Not true of course. Creatures who have no concepts whatsoever use
light.
True but we're not talking about rocks here.
Ah. So you don't know the difference between a creature and a rock.
Plants, for example. Nor is the concept of light the same
thing as a theory of light.
Theory without concept... incomprehensible.
Many things are beyond your comprehension. For example you apparently
can't understand that while you need the concept of light to have a
theory of light, that does not mean your theory is the concept itself.
I'm beginning to see the light.
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| User: "Bill Snyder" |
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02 Jun 2006 05:37:12 AM |
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On Thu, 01 Jun 2006 20:23:11 -0700, Roy Jose Lorr <Kenthz@comcast.net>
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Wayne Throop wrote:
: Roy Jose Lorr <Kenthz@comcast.net>
: The only 'straw man' here is "evolution theory".
Just so: you have created a straw man that you call "evolutionary theory".
I did not name the theory. Its still a [theory]... No?
Certainly it's a theory. So is gravity. If you think being called a
"theory" makes something dubious, feel free to jump off a cliff at any
time.
It is, of course nothing at all like actual evolutionary theory as
used in biology.
That's one way for you to give biology a bad name.
Disclaiming the dishonest (and extremely silly) crap you are posting
is one way to keep it from getting a bad name. The less a science is
associated with obvious liars, the better.
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Bill Snyder [This space unintentionally left blank.]
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| User: "Roy Jose Lorr" |
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02 Jun 2006 11:01:26 AM |
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Bill Snyder wrote:
On Thu, 01 Jun 2006 20:23:11 -0700, Roy Jose Lorr <Kenthz@comcast.net>
wrote:
Wayne Throop wrote:
: Roy Jose Lorr <Kenthz@comcast.net>
: The only 'straw man' here is "evolution theory".
Just so: you have created a straw man that you call "evolutionary theory".
I did not name the theory. Its still a [theory]... No?
Certainly it's a theory. So is gravity. If you think being called a
"theory" makes something dubious, feel free to jump off a cliff at any
time.
It is, of course nothing at all like actual evolutionary theory as
used in biology.
That's one way for you to give biology a bad name.
Disclaiming the dishonest (and extremely silly) crap you are posting
is one way to keep it from getting a bad name. The less a science is
associated with obvious liars, the better.
Good to see a religious fundamentalist defending his faith.
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| User: "Mike Schilling" |
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02 Jun 2006 11:47:39 AM |
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"Roy Jose Lorr" <Kenthz@comcast.net> wrote in message
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Bill Snyder wrote:
On Thu, 01 Jun 2006 20:23:11 -0700, Roy Jose Lorr <Kenthz@comcast.net>
wrote:
Wayne Throop wrote:
: Roy Jose Lorr <Kenthz@comcast.net>
: The only 'straw man' here is "evolution theory".
Just so: you have created a straw man that you call "evolutionary
theory".
I did not name the theory. Its still a [theory]... No?
Certainly it's a theory. So is gravity. If you think being called a
"theory" makes something dubious, feel free to jump off a cliff at any
time.
It is, of course nothing at all like actual evolutionary theory as
used in biology.
That's one way for you to give biology a bad name.
Disclaiming the dishonest (and extremely silly) crap you are posting
is one way to keep it from getting a bad name. The less a science is
associated with obvious liars, the better.
Good to see a religious fundamentalist defending his faith.
What you've said about evolution suggests that you've never studied it, and
that your knowledge of it comes from reading "debunkers". That's not the
best way to understand something or to have an intelligent opinion about it.
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| User: "Roy Jose Lorr" |
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02 Jun 2006 08:02:51 PM |
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Mike Schilling wrote:
"Roy Jose Lorr" <Kenthz@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:79CdnSLVX8NY_R3ZRVn-tA@comcast.com...
Bill Snyder wrote:
On Thu, 01 Jun 2006 20:23:11 -0700, Roy Jose Lorr <Kenthz@comcast.net>
wrote:
Wayne Throop wrote:
: Roy Jose Lorr <Kenthz@comcast.net>
: The only 'straw man' here is "evolution theory".
Just so: you have created a straw man that you call "evolutionary
theory".
I did not name the theory. Its still a [theory]... No?
Certainly it's a theory. So is gravity. If you think being called a
"theory" makes something dubious, feel free to jump off a cliff at any
time.
It is, of course nothing at all like actual evolutionary theory as
used in biology.
That's one way for you to give biology a bad name.
Disclaiming the dishonest (and extremely silly) crap you are posting
is one way to keep it from getting a bad name. The less a science is
associated with obvious liars, the better.
Good to see a religious fundamentalist defending his faith.
What you've said about evolution suggests that you've never studied it, and
that your knowledge of it comes from reading "debunkers". That's not the
best way to understand something or to have an intelligent opinion about it.
You know nothing of the evolution education I've been
through. Avoiding the 'debunkers' is something religious
fundamentalists such as yourself do as an act of faith.
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02 Jun 2006 10:53:53 PM |
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"Roy Jose Lorr" <Kenthz@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:UP2dnWI7h_42Qh3ZRVn-jg@comcast.com...
Mike Schilling wrote:
What you've said about evolution suggests that you've never studied it,
and that your knowledge of it comes from reading "debunkers". That's
not the best way to understand something or to have an intelligent
opinion about it.
You know nothing of the evolution education I've been through.
Then tell me. High school biology? College? Steven Jay Gould's books?
Scientific American?
Avoiding the 'debunkers' is something religious fundamentalists such as
yourself do as an act of faith.
I didn't suggest avoiding the debunkers, just getting other points of view
before adopting theirs whole hog. I've read what the ID folks have to say,
and find it unconvincing.
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| User: "Roy Jose Lorr" |
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| Title: Re: Sacred Sex Was Practiced In Jewish Temple, Says Da Vinci Code |
04 Jun 2006 04:26:37 PM |
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Mike Schilling wrote:
"Roy Jose Lorr" <Kenthz@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:UP2dnWI7h_42Qh3ZRVn-jg@comcast.com...
Mike Schilling wrote:
What you've said about evolution suggests that you've never studied it,
and that your knowledge of it comes from reading "debunkers". That's
not the best way to understand something or to have an intelligent
opinion about it.
You know nothing of the evolution education I've been through.
Then tell me. High school biology? College? Steven Jay Gould's books?
Scientific American?
Bonifides you want? LOL
Avoiding the 'debunkers' is something religious fundamentalists such as
yourself do as an act of faith.
I didn't suggest avoiding the debunkers, just getting other points of view
before adopting theirs whole hog. I've read what the ID folks have to say,
and find it unconvincing.
ID isn't the only quarter questioning evo.
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| User: "Mike Schilling" |
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| Title: Re: Sacred Sex Was Practiced In Jewish Temple, Says Da Vinci Code |
04 Jun 2006 08:40:08 PM |
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"Roy Jose Lorr" <Kenthz@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:OICdnU8sKsdn0h7ZnZ2dnUVZ_rydnZ2d@comcast.com...
Mike Schilling wrote:
"Roy Jose Lorr" <Kenthz@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:UP2dnWI7h_42Qh3ZRVn-jg@comcast.com...
Mike Schilling wrote:
What you've said about evolution suggests that you've never studied it,
and that your knowledge of it comes from reading "debunkers". That's
not the best way to understand something or to have an intelligent
opinion about it.
You know nothing of the evolution education I've been through.
Then tell me. High school biology? College? Steven Jay Gould's books?
Scientific American?
Bonifides you want? LOL
And I still don't know, since you haven't answered my question.
Avoiding the 'debunkers' is something religious fundamentalists such as
yourself do as an act of faith.
I didn't suggest avoiding the debunkers, just getting other points of
view before adopting theirs whole hog. I've read what the ID folks have
to say, and find it unconvincing.
ID isn't the only quarter questioning evo.
From my point of view, it's the most plausible, since unlike, say, young
earth creationism, it isn't based on denial of all the physical evidence
for species change.
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| User: "Roy Jose Lorr" |
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| Title: Re: Sacred Sex Was Practiced In Jewish Temple, Says Da Vinci Code |
04 Jun 2006 10:39:28 PM |
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Mike Schilling wrote:
"Roy Jose Lorr" <Kenthz@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:OICdnU8sKsdn0h7ZnZ2dnUVZ_rydnZ2d@comcast.com...
Mike Schilling wrote:
"Roy Jose Lorr" <Kenthz@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:UP2dnWI7h_42Qh3ZRVn-jg@comcast.com...
Mike Schilling wrote:
What you've said about evolution suggests that you've never studied it,
and that your knowledge of it comes from reading "debunkers". That's
not the best way to understand something or to have an intelligent
opinion about it.
You know nothing of the evolution education I've been through.
Then tell me. High school biology? College? Steven Jay Gould's books?
Scientific American?
Bonifides you want? LOL
And I still don't know, since you haven't answered my question.
Answering would be as foolish as the question. This is
usenet, not a job interview.
Avoiding the 'debunkers' is something religious fundamentalists such as
yourself do as an act of faith.
I didn't suggest avoiding the debunkers, just getting other points of
view before adopting theirs whole hog. I've read what the ID folks have
to say, and find it unconvincing.
ID isn't the only quarter questioning evo.
From my point of view, it's the most plausible, since unlike, say, young
earth creationism, it isn't based on denial of all the physical evidence
for species change.
I was thinking of scientists who don't come from the ID crowd.
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| User: "Mike Schilling" |
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| Title: Re: Sacred Sex Was Practiced In Jewish Temple, Says Da Vinci Code |
04 Jun 2006 10:48:03 PM |
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"Roy Jose Lorr" <Kenthz@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:LrSdnSl1Qt_COh7ZnZ2dnUVZ_uWdnZ2d@comcast.com...
Mike Schilling wrote:
What you've said about evolution suggests that you've never studied
it, and that your knowledge of it comes from reading "debunkers".
That's not the best way to understand something or to have an
intelligent opinion about it.
You know nothing of the evolution education I've been through.
Then tell me. High school biology? College? Steven Jay Gould's books?
Scientific American?
Bonifides you want? LOL
And I still don't know, since you haven't answered my question.
Answering would be as foolish as the question. This is usenet, not a job
interview.
It's only foolish if you have no desire to be taken seriously. That's
clearly the case. Have fun.
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