Religions > Atheism > Sad, sad, sad atheists. Stop all this nonsense and become agnostic freethinkers.....Oh, and HO! ...What the hell was his question, anyway?....Who cares?....Was that it? :)....And you are?... What are you implying?
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07 Jul 2007 02:35:41 PM |
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Sad, sad, sad atheists. Stop all this nonsense and become agnostic freethinkers.....Oh, and HO! ...What the hell was his question, anyway?....Who cares?....Was that it? :)....And you are?... What are you implying? |
She has you plonked, idiot. I'm replying so that she can see you're
still stalking her.
Oh, and HO! <smack>
http://www.aperfectworld.org/cartoons/bitchslap.gif
What the hell was his question, anyway?
Who cares?
Was that it? :)
What was what?
And you are?
What are you implying?
--
Mark K. Bilbo a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
V:
Sad, sad, sad atheists. Stop all this nonsense and become agnostic
freethinkers.
Lose the mind manacled ego and just seek truth.
You know the old saying...if you can't beat em...join em.
You can never beat me since I am truth based.
Sure I am not right 100%, but that is why we are here to discuss.
And at least I am 'able to discuss rationally' and 'know' the
question.
Take care,
V (Male)
Agnostic Freethinker
Practical Philosopher
AA#2
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07 Jul 2007 09:35:10 PM |
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V <vfr44@aol.com> writes:
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Sad, sad, sad atheists. Stop all this nonsense and become agnostic
freethinkers.
Why? By your own words, you've been around for the end of hundreds of
self-help groups. Connect the dots.
Lose the mind manacled ego and just seek truth.
You know the old saying...if you can't beat em...join em.
In your case, it's if they don't want you, shut them down.
You can never beat me since I am truth based.
No one needs to beat you when you're doing such a good job of beating
yourself.
Sure I am not right 100%, but that is why we are here to discuss.
And at least I am 'able to discuss rationally' and 'know' the
question.
Now *that's* the funniest thing I've seen out of you yet.
HO! (You could have made the late Mister Rogers curse like a sailor.)
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Patrick "The Chief Instigator" Humphrey (patrick@io.com) Houston, Texas
chiefinstigator.us.tt/aeros.php (TCI's 2006-07 Houston Aeros) AA#2273
LAST GAME: San Antonio 4, Houston 2 (April 15)
NEXT GAME: October 2007, date/place/opponent TBA
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08 Jul 2007 04:31:48 AM |
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"V" <vfr44@aol.com> wrote snip
Sad, sad, sad
HO! <Whack>
and
BOOT TO THE HEAD!!! <BAM!!!>
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Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
BAAWA Knight!
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07 Jul 2007 03:31:25 PM |
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On Jul 7, 2:35 pm, V <v...@aol.com> wrote:
She has you plonked, idiot. I'm replying so that she can see you're
HO! <whack!>
Medusa
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07 Jul 2007 05:45:33 PM |
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On Jul 7, 3:35 pm, V <v...@aol.com> wrote:
You can never beat me since I am truth based.
Sure I am not right 100%, but that is why we are here to discuss.
And at least I am 'able to discuss rationally' and 'know' the
question.
Take care,
V (Male)
Hello V:
What do you mean by "I am truth based"?
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08 Jul 2007 07:34:25 AM |
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On Jul 7, 6:45?pm, Provoker <provoke...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Jul 7, 3:35 pm, V <v...@aol.com> wrote:
You can never beat me since I am truth based.
Sure I am not right 100%, but that is why we are here to discuss.
And at least I am 'able to discuss rationally' and 'know' the
question.
Take care,
V (Male)
Hello V:
What do you mean by "I am truth based"?
Hi Provoker
Truth based?
Good question.
I'm sorry don't have time to write a post detailing all my thoughts on
this subject right now, but will take some time to offer what I can.
Sometime the truth is relative, sometimes it is a best fit scenario.
But generally we can say the truth is that which does not change.
Huxley may have said it best:
"The highest object that human beings can set before themselves is
not the pursuit of any such chimera as the annihilation of the
unknown: it is simply the unwearied endeavor to remove its boundaries
a little further from our little sphere of action." ~
The truth comes from testing.
The truth can only be found from a choice divorced from need...we
divorce the need to massage our ego and are honest with ourselves and
others
As atheists and theists, we test practical application of a life that
yields us and others inner peace.
Contrast this to faith based...hate based...instinct based...
Again all these apply to us.
Yes, even the atheist 'have faith' that their hatred wilt provide them
peace.
But before one can test, one must be open to finding the truth.
Something the mind manacled, dogmatic atheist cannot do as their 'ego
based instincts' block them from ever finding a new way to live.
Neither can the delusional faith based theist for that matter. But at
least the theist pays attention to their religions prepackaged morals.
As a first step for seeking truth, we look honesty at what is said and
not at who says what.
See:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.atheism/browse_frm/thread/327805fdd9caec99/c99a0e01b4947eca?hl=en#c99a0e01b4947eca
If one sticks to: true, false or don't know in one's replies they can
avoid this trap by arguing facts and not personalities.
There is no such thing as 'opinionated' - 'provocative'
'controversial' subjects.
These are only subjective and prejudicial states of mind.
When we invest excessive time and energies in acquiring or building
attachments these attachments become veritable extensions of our being
and come to define us for ourselves as well as define who we are for
others. When these attachments take on this role we become susceptible
to pain via these extensions. If the person, place or thing we are
attached to gets rebuked it is a personal rebuke on us, if they get
damaged or defaced so goes the defacement and damage to our very
being.
It is hard to become full detached to ideas, for if we did we would be
like a feather floating wherever the wind blew us and would pick up
any old idea with no firm grounding of what we perceive as right or
wrong. But, we can practice being open minded and look at ideas
without prejudice that we immediately hit ideas with. Learn to judge
other less. We especially do this with everyone we meet...they are
better or lesser than me type of thinking.
Fear based reasons for doing something, as theist mostly do, are not
authentic and natural actions. The persons actions are based on
negative consequences otherwise they would not do them. My actions are
based on inner peace and if I stray - there goes my peace - it is my
choice. Put your inner peace foremost and you will have your answer.
When you align real and authentic actions with those that promote
inner peace you have found enlightenment.
Also See:
http://jesusneverexisted.org/jne/forum/index.php?topic=470.0
http://jesusneverexisted.org/jne/forum/index.php?topic=532.0
http://jesusneverexisted.org/jne/forum/index.php?topic=4.0
Take care,
V (Male)
Agnostic Freethinker
Practical Philosopher
AA#2
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08 Jul 2007 07:36:38 AM |
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"V" <vfr44@aol.com> wrote snip
Hi
HO! <Whack!>
--
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
BAAWA Knight!
#1557
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08 Jul 2007 07:39:42 AM |
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On Jul 8, 1:34 pm, V <v...@aol.com> wrote:
On Jul 7, 6:45?pm, Provoker <provoke...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Jul 7, 3:35 pm, V <v...@aol.com> wrote:
You can never beat me since I am truth based.
Sure I am not right 100%, but that is why we are here to discuss.
And at least I am 'able to discuss rationally' and 'know' the
question.
Take care,
V (Male)
Hello V:
What do you mean by "I am truth based"?
Hi Provoker
Truth based?
Good question.
Deluded?
Good answer.
HO!
<whoosh>
<whoosh>
<whoosh>
<whoo->
<THWACK!>
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08 Jul 2007 11:36:05 AM |
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On Jul 8, 7:34 am, V <v...@aol.com> wrote:
HO! <whack!>
Medusa
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08 Jul 2007 06:33:45 PM |
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On Jul 8, 8:34 am, V <v...@aol.com< wrote:
<
< Hi Provoker
<
< Truth based?
<
< Good question.
<
< I'm sorry don't have time to write a post detailing all my thoughts
on
< this subject right now, but will take some time to offer what I can.
<
< Sometime the truth is relative, sometimes it is a best fit scenario.
<
< But generally we can say the truth is that which does not change.
<
< Huxley may have said it best:
<
< "The highest object that human beings can set before themselves is
< not the pursuit of any such chimera as the annihilation of the
< unknown: it is simply the unwearied endeavor to remove its
boundaries
< a little further from our little sphere of action." ~
<
< The truth comes from testing.
<
< The truth can only be found from a choice divorced from need...we
< divorce the need to massage our ego and are honest with ourselves
and
< others
<
< As atheists and theists, we test practical application of a life
that
< yields us and others inner peace.
<
< Contrast this to faith based...hate based...instinct based...
<
< Again all these apply to us.
<
< Yes, even the atheist 'have faith' that their hatred wilt provide
them
< peace.
<
< But before one can test, one must be open to finding the truth.
<
< Something the mind manacled, dogmatic atheist cannot do as their
'ego
< based instincts' block them from ever finding a new way to live.
<
< Neither can the delusional faith based theist for that matter. But
at
< least the theist pays attention to their religions prepackaged
morals.
<
< As a first step for seeking truth, we look honesty at what is said
and
< not at who says what.
<
< See:
<
< http://groups.google.com/group/alt.atheism/browse_frm/thread/327805fd...
<
< If one sticks to: true, false or don't know in one's replies they
can
< avoid this trap by arguing facts and not personalities.
<
< There is no such thing as 'opinionated' - 'provocative'
< 'controversial' subjects.
<
< These are only subjective and prejudicial states of mind.
<
< When we invest excessive time and energies in acquiring or building
< attachments these attachments become veritable extensions of our
being
< and come to define us for ourselves as well as define who we are for
< others. When these attachments take on this role we become
susceptible
< to pain via these extensions. If the person, place or thing we are
< attached to gets rebuked it is a personal rebuke on us, if they get
< damaged or defaced so goes the defacement and damage to our very
< being.
<
< It is hard to become full detached to ideas, for if we did we would
be
< like a feather floating wherever the wind blew us and would pick up
< any old idea with no firm grounding of what we perceive as right or
< wrong. But, we can practice being open minded and look at ideas
< without prejudice that we immediately hit ideas with. Learn to judge
< other less. We especially do this with everyone we meet...they are
< better or lesser than me type of thinking.
<
< Fear based reasons for doing something, as theist mostly do, are not
< authentic and natural actions. The persons actions are based on
< negative consequences otherwise they would not do them. My actions
are
< based on inner peace and if I stray - there goes my peace - it is my
< choice. Put your inner peace foremost and you will have your answer.
< When you align real and authentic actions with those that promote
< inner peace you have found enlightenment.
<
< Also See:
<
< http://jesusneverexisted.org/jne/forum/index.php?topic=470.0
<
< http://jesusneverexisted.org/jne/forum/index.php?topic=532.0
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< http://jesusneverexisted.org/jne/forum/index.php?topic=4.0
<
< Take care,
<
< V (Male)
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< Agnostic Freethinker
< Practical Philosopher
< AA#2
Hello V:
Don't you think that "evidence" based would be more accurate, and less
confrontational?
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On Jul 8, 7:33?pm, Provoker <provoke...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Jul 8, 8:34 am, V <v...@aol.com< wrote:
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< Hi Provoker
<
< Truth based?
<
< Good question.
<
< I'm sorry don't have time to write a post detailing all my thoughts
on
< this subject right now, but will take some time to offer what I can.
<
< Sometime the truth is relative, sometimes it is a best fit scenario.
<
< But generally we can say the truth is that which does not change.
<
< Huxley may have said it best:
<
< "The highest object that human beings can set before themselves is
< not the pursuit of any such chimera as the annihilation of the
< unknown: it is simply the unwearied endeavor to remove its
boundaries
< a little further from our little sphere of action." ~
<
< The truth comes from testing.
<
< The truth can only be found from a choice divorced from need...we
< divorce the need to massage our ego and are honest with ourselves
and
< others
<
< As atheists and theists, we test practical application of a life
that
< yields us and others inner peace.
<
< Contrast this to faith based...hate based...instinct based...
<
< Again all these apply to us.
<
< Yes, even the atheist 'have faith' that their hatred wilt provide
them
< peace.
<
< But before one can test, one must be open to finding the truth.
<
< Something the mind manacled, dogmatic atheist cannot do as their
'ego
< based instincts' block them from ever finding a new way to live.
<
< Neither can the delusional faith based theist for that matter. But
at
< least the theist pays attention to their religions prepackaged
morals.
<
< As a first step for seeking truth, we look honesty at what is said
and
< not at who says what.
<
< See:
<
<http://groups.google.com/group/alt.atheism/browse_frm/thread/327805fd...
<
< If one sticks to: true, false or don't know in one's replies they
can
< avoid this trap by arguing facts and not personalities.
<
< There is no such thing as 'opinionated' - 'provocative'
< 'controversial' subjects.
<
< These are only subjective and prejudicial states of mind.
<
< When we invest excessive time and energies in acquiring or building
< attachments these attachments become veritable extensions of our
being
< and come to define us for ourselves as well as define who we are for
< others. When these attachments take on this role we become
susceptible
< to pain via these extensions. If the person, place or thing we are
< attached to gets rebuked it is a personal rebuke on us, if they get
< damaged or defaced so goes the defacement and damage to our very
< being.
<
< It is hard to become full detached to ideas, for if we did we would
be
< like a feather floating wherever the wind blew us and would pick up
< any old idea with no firm grounding of what we perceive as right or
< wrong. But, we can practice being open minded and look at ideas
< without prejudice that we immediately hit ideas with. Learn to judge
< other less. We especially do this with everyone we meet...they are
< better or lesser than me type of thinking.
<
< Fear based reasons for doing something, as theist mostly do, are not
< authentic and natural actions. The persons actions are based on
< negative consequences otherwise they would not do them. My actions
are
< based on inner peace and if I stray - there goes my peace - it is my
< choice. Put your inner peace foremost and you will have your answer.
< When you align real and authentic actions with those that promote
< inner peace you have found enlightenment.
<
< Also See:
<
<http://jesusneverexisted.org/jne/forum/index.php?topic=470.0
<
<http://jesusneverexisted.org/jne/forum/index.php?topic=532.0
<
<http://jesusneverexisted.org/jne/forum/index.php?topic=4.0
<
< Take care,
<
< V (Male)
<
< Agnostic Freethinker
< Practical Philosopher
< AA#2
Hello V:
Don't you think that "evidence" based would be more accurate, and less
confrontational?
Maybe, I am not a genius with English Provoker.
I thought about changing the title of one posts from The conundrum of
the mind manacled atheist' to Tthe conundrum for the mind manacled
atheist'.
But you know what.
Sometime people spend more time discussing the color of the book's
cover than what is written on the inside of the book.
And as Michelle pointed out, I am a moron - so don't expect much from
my writing efforts.
I admit in my post 'truth based' is uses somewhat variable tools, so
am not dogmatic about anything, except being non-dogmatic.
And Neil will keep me under control when I start to spout off about
universal truths!
I readily admit. No such thing as perfection when it comes to humans.
I find it is good to 'look for direction and forget perfection' if we
wish to be at peace with this subject.
Perfection is a journey I take and direction I head in - but I never
arrive at in life.
Perfection is the nature of gods.
Imperfection is the nature of humans.
We can see this with logic.
What is logical is not always practical when it comes to humans...is
it?
Despite this fact, we can all do better if we try at perfecting inner
peace within and with all.
I look towards my direction...am I improving...getting worse...or
frozen?
I also demand nothing from people I only comment on their actions.
Hey buddy I got ADD so I lose interest on long threads.
If I don't answer you further write me direct at and
post the reply if you like.
Or open a new thread addressed to V...but it is nothing personal if I
don't answer.
In fact, you never would have got the first answer except by chance.
And if you like, rewrite my truth based post as you see fit and submit
it to me.
If it speaks to me I will list you as co-author...I am not hard to get
along with by any means.
Same offer for the rest of the atheists or non atheist...rewrite my
posts as you see fit, if you feel that could be improved and submit
them to me.
We are all here to help each other out.
Take care,
V (Male)
Agnostic Freethinker
Practical Philosopher
AA#2
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"V" <vfr44@aol.com> wrote inSNIP
Maybe,
HO! <WHACK!>
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Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
BAAWA Knight!
#1557
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On Sun, 08 Jul 2007 23:57:19 +0000, V wrote:
Maybe, I am not a genius
HO!!! <UNDERSTATMENT>
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Mark K. Bilbo a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
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On Sun, 08 Jul 2007 23:57:19 -0000, V <vfr44@aol.com> wrote:
Maybe, I
HO! <whack!>
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"O Sybilli, si ergo
Fortibus es in ero
O Nobili! Themis trux
Sivat sinem? Causen Dux"
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On Sun, 08 Jul 2007 05:34:25 -0700, V <vfr44@aol.com> wrote:
Hi Provo
HO! <whack!>
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"O Sybilli, si ergo
Fortibus es in ero
O Nobili! Themis trux
Sivat sinem? Causen Dux"
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On Sun, 08 Jul 2007 05:34:25 -0700, V wrote:
Truth based?
Not.
FORE!!!!! <THWOCK>
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Mark K. Bilbo a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
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V wrote:
Hi
"HO" *thwack*
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Provoker <provoker42@gmail.com> wrote in news:1183848333.916193.15830
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On Jul 7, 3:35 pm, V <v...@aol.com> wrote:
You can never beat me since I am truth based.
Sure I am not right 100%, but that is why we are here to discuss.
And at least I am 'able to discuss rationally' and 'know' the
question.
Take care,
V (Male)
Hello V:
What do you mean by "I am truth based"?
Excuse me sir, may I play through?
*sizes up V*
Hmmm. I think the 9-staff, please. Thank you.
*silence on the green as Doc lines up the shot...a few deft test-strokes
to get his line...and...*
FOUR!!
* W H A C K *
*golf claps all around as V rolls into the cup*
A bit hard, going for the putt like that...might need a new staff.
*tips hat to Provoker*
Thanks.
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Doc Smartass, BAAWA Knight of Heckling
aa # 1939
Help Prevent Projectile Stupidity
Duct-Tape a Fundie's Mouth Shut Today!
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On Jul 7, 3:35 pm, V <v...@aol.com> wrote:
She has you plonked, idiot. I'm replying so that she can see you're
still stalking her.
Oh, and HO! <smack>
http://www.aperfectworld.org/cartoons/bitchslap.gif
What the hell was his question, anyway?
Who cares?
Was that it? :)
What was what?
And you are?
What are you implying?
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Mark K. Bilbo a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
V:
Sad, sad, sad atheists. Stop all this
HO! <Whack>
PDW
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On Jul 7, 8:35 pm, V <v...@aol.com> wrote:
She has you plonked, idiot. I'm replying so that she can see you're
still stalking her.
Oh, and HO! <smack>
http://www.aperfectworld.org/cartoons/bitchslap.gif
What the hell was his question, anyway?
Who cares?
Was that it? :)
What was what?
And you are?
What are you implying?
HO! <Slice>
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Lucifer the Unsubtle, EAC Librarian of Dark Tomes of Excessive Evil
and General Purpose Igor
The Anti-Theist, BAAWA Lowly Evilmeister and tamer of the Demon Duck
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Convicted by Earthquack
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On Jul 7, 8:35 pm, V <v...@aol.com> wrote:
She has you plonked, idiot. I'm replying so that she can see you're
still stalking her.
Oh, and HO! <smack>
http://www.aperfectworld.org/cartoons/bitchslap.gif
What the hell was his question, anyway?
Who cares?
Was that it? :)
What was what?
And you are?
What are you implying?
HO! <Slice>
I don't know if they allow mulligans on this course, mon.
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Duct-Tape a Fundie's Mouth Shut Today!
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On Jul 7, 8:35 pm, V <v...@aol.com> wrote:
I've just remembered something from my childhood: Whenever a friend or
sibling did something very bad, or spilt something or made a mess or a
mistake of some sort, we would exclaim: "Oh! V!".
Anyway, HO! <whack>.
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On Jul 7, 8:35 pm, V <v...@aol.com> wrote:
I've just remembered something from my childhood: Whenever a friend or
sibling did something very bad, or spilt something or made a mess or a
mistake of some sort, we would exclaim: "Oh! V!".
Anyway, HO! <whack>.
He's Jewish?
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On Jul 8, 6:03?am, "Michelle Malkin" <hypati...@comcast.net> wrote:
"The Rev Dr. Hugh Jarse NLAHN." <hugh.ja...@heathens.org.uk> wrote in
messagenews:1183884132.930839.270250@g4g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...> On Jul 7, 8:35 pm, V <v...@aol.com> wrote:
I've just remembered something from my childhood: Whenever a friend or
sibling did something very bad, or spilt something or made a mess or a
mistake of some sort, we would exclaim: "Oh! V!".
Anyway, HO! <whack>.
He's Jewish?
When a man's mind is concentrated he is blind. (Goes for women as well
Gail, Kate and Robyn.)
This is the problem with atheists....blindness.
They think having a life of inner peace and offering peace to others
is bad...a mistake of some sort...for without the atheists dream world
of ego and hate, life for them would not be tolerable.
Their dream world provides blindness for them and a false sense of
bliss.
A few years ago I read an article in the Wall Street Journal about a
famous con man named Ponzi. The article stated when Ponzi was
interviewed he was asked how he was able to swindle so many people so
easily, his responded, "When a man's mind is concentrated he is
blind." When I read this it hit home that this is what I had been
doing all those years with my addictions. I was anesthetizing myself
to living and dealing with life with my drugs and had done a good job
blinding myself with my addictions and unbalanced way of living. This
blindness lead to more blindness and more unbalance and it snowballed
from there.
This case of having your mind concentrated to the point of blindness
is not anything new. The ancient philosophers new this well. They
called it "putting passion before reason." Both these areas of passion
and reason where the foundation of much philosophical discussion of
ethics and virtue with the ancient Greeks. They knew when passion
rules the mind, that the only job left for reason is that of the
subservient task to find cleaver ways to satisfy the passions. When
our minds are occupied with too much wreckage of the past, too many
problems and complexities and out of control passions then there is
little room left in it for reasoning. This is why addicts make poor
decisions a lot of the time. Addicts blind themselves with their
addiction and out of balance life.
You see this same concentration of mind in many other lifestyles as
well. The chronic volunteers that mind everyone's business other than
their own suffer from it. Remember what the program tells us - "we
cannot transmit what we do not have." They do not understand the
concept of getting their own house in order before loosing themselves
in others problems. The collectors that concentrate on perfecting
their obsessions can also suffer from it. I've know many collectors
and was a massive one myself. A funny thing with many collectors is
once they finish a collection they lose interest in it and must find
another collection to start to occupy their minds. It is a never
ending treadmill of desire, attachment and unsatisfied demands.
This is the same reason that we can only find transient state of
happiness in people, places or things that we pursue in life. They all
deliver various states of pleasure but the happiness they deliver is
short term and not sustainable. Once we acquire our acquisition the
happiness only lasts a few days and sometimes does not even last for
the drive home from the store. Whenever we put our happiness in
people, places or things we will sooner or later be let down.
Happiness starts from within us and cannot come from anyplace else. We
can achieve a "diminishing of pain" from people, places or things, but
cannot find true happiness in these material things as the pleasure
found in such things can readily be turned into pain as well. True
happiness has no limits, whereas the aforementioned do have limits and
also contain qualities of pain in them
Perfectionists of all sorts can be blinded to the big picture when
they get concentrated on some unimportant minutia they fixate on that
they think will mean life or death to them. Personally, I used to work
to perfect many unimportant areas of living. This gave me the
illusion that I had some control over at least one "thing" in my life,
when the broader part of my life was a total mess and out of control.
I found that balanced living is better than concentrated living in one
area with the rest of my life being sickly out of balance. We
sometimes get so wrapped up in these external areas that appeal to our
ego that we forget to work within us to develop self worth that is
real and stems from within us. All the addictive areas we participate
in are in the same boat whether we are concentrated on a bottle or a
fix or what to buy next.
I had to learn to restructure my life in a balanced way under the
guidelines of the 12 steps with special attention given to living
right size and accepting and living comfortably with my OWN means as
is mentioned in the Alcoholics Anonymous 12 Steps and 12 Traditions on
pages 122-125. I also had to learn not devote too much time to
perfecting any one area of living for fear of being too concentrated
in one thing and blind to many other important areas of my life. My
Buddhist practice also warns me against developing attachments and
whenever I try to perfect anything to a high degree I cannot avoid
this area of clinging, desire and attachments so I try to avoid it if
possible. While I can never be 100% perfect with this, I give it much
thought and work on living within my comfortable means in the broad
spectrum of my life and not just on certain concentrated areas.
Sometimes we make a conscious effort to escape through fantasy and
fixation on something, someplace or somebody else. Other times we are
not aware of what we are doing and can get lost though ignorance.
Isn't it much easier to fantasize about something else than stay in
the hear and now and deal with today's problems? I try and catch
myself when I practice this escapism and work to bring my thoughts
back to the present. Whenever the fantasy starts I check to see what I
am escaping from? Why do I fixate on something else instead of where
I'm at? My Buddhist practice of mindfulness helps with this area as
well as my 12 step work of living in the present. I have to make an
effort to stay balanced, as I can still live unbalanced even from
putting too much effort in a seemingly good area. Chronic gamblers
seem to live in this fantasy world quite a bit. Here is an excerpt
from a Gamblers Anonymous pamphlet. - "The Dream World of a Compulsive
Gambler."
"A lot of time is spent creating images of great and wonderful things
they are going to do as soon as they make 'the big win.' They often
see themselves as quite philanthropic and charming people. They may
dream of providing families and friends with new cars, mink coats and
other luxuries. Compulsive gamblers picture themselves leading a
pleasant, gracious life, made possible by the huge sums of money they
will accrue from their 'system.' Servants, penthouses, nice clothes,
charming friends, yachts and world tours are a few of the wonderful
things that are just around the corner after a big win is finally
made.
Pathetically, however, there never seems to be a big enough winning to
make even the smallest dream come true. When compulsive gamblers
succeed, they gamble to dream still greater dreams. When failing, they
gamble in reckless desperation and the depths of their misery are
fathomless as their dream world comes crashing down. Sadly, they will
struggle back, dream more dreams and of course suffer more misery. No
one can convince them that their great schemes will not come true.
They believe they will, for without this dream world, life for them
would not be tolerable." end
Now, it is important to be able to concentrate, but it is also
important to be able to see life in a balanced way and not get too
concentrated on one thing. Contemplative time, meditation time, down
time or relaxation time is very important to fostering peace in our
lives. A lot of the addicts I read about live lives of constant doing
and running with no time for such useless things as sitting around to
relax or meditate. Workaholics usually put little time in self
actualization. They may think that workaholism provides all the
financial benefits they need to live a happy and fulfilled life, but
while putting all effort in this one area they are bankrupt in the
area of their inner peace and contemplative needs. When we are not
self aware of our real needs it is the same as not having controls in
our car that tell us the internal condition of what is going on. We
cannot tell how fast we are going without a speedometer, nor can we
tell if our car is overheating until it its too late without a
temperature gauge and without a gas gauge we will be left stranded
with an empty tank. All these instruments give us feedback as to the
internal condition of things and so does his time spent with ourselves
when we look within.
There was a successful local businessman 'Mr B' who owned a
communications company. He was a workaholic was fat, smoked, consumed
lots of coffee, never exercised and ate junk food all the while he
overworked at his office desk while building up a million dollar
company. I read in a newspaper article he died from heart attack in
his mid 40's right at his desk. Isn't that the dream of every
workaholic to die at their desk? Mr B could not comfortably have the
company he built up. He created it artificially by sacrificing his
life. Mr B robbed Peter to pay Paul to develop his business by
sacrificing his health. He was blinded to many areas of living healthy
by his ego and greed for money. Ruskin tells a similar story "In a
shipwreck, one of the passengers fastened a belt about him with one
hundred pounds of gold in it, with which he was afterwards found at
the bottom. Now, as he was sinking--had he the gold? Or had the gold
him?"
An addict once told me she disliked spending any contemplative or
introspective time on herself to become self aware. She claimed it
just promoted being more "self obsessed" and she wanted to spend less
time thinking about herself and not more. Well, all this has to
balanced up, but without giving the question of "who I am and what are
my real recovery needs" some thought, I would not have the recovery I
do today. When I was blinded by the Ponzi effect, I had little time or
ability to look within me to see what was wrong. As an addict, this
self inventory is needed every day on a continual basis, as each day
has 1440 minutes in it and it only take one of these minutes, or even
less sometimes, to suffer a slip.
Seemingly good areas of concentration, when overdone, can lead to bad
outcomes as well. Never forget that even though water and air are life
sustaining, they are also life destroying when in excess. A 12 step
acquaintance was the poster child for doing all he could do in his
respective recovery program. He did tons of service, went to all the
meetings and out of state conferences. Unfortunately for him, his
excess concentration in his one 12 step program did not help him in an
area of speculative gambling and he ended up losing just under 2
million dollars...gambling it away on a Ponzi scheme. Myself? I am a
minimalist and only put enough recovery work in each respective
program to give me a semblance of peace. I could never afford to work
8 - 12 step programs any other way and still maintain a healthy
balance.
Balanced living - addicts do the opposite. As the Buddhists recommend,
"I seek the middle path" and have to accept I need some introspection
time as well as some non-introspection time in my life. I try to work
towards balance and work in the direction of not over doing your self
awareness and insight or under doing it as well. Don't ever expect
perfection either with this balance of self awareness and self
obsession. If you see things getting out of hand, reign things in
some. I don't run perfect programs by any means, but I run successful
ones as long as I work towards perfection but am not upset if I never
get there. I have to look out for blindness though fixation or
concentrated mind as well as ignorance and have to be aware that if I
concentrate on any one thing too much it can blind me from other
important areas of living.
Take care,
V (Male)
Agnostic Freethinker
Practical Philosopher
AA#2
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On Jul 8, 6:03?am, "Michelle Malkin" <hypati...@comcast.net> wrote:
"The Rev Dr. Hugh Jarse NLAHN." <hugh.ja...@heathens.org.uk> wrote in
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Jul 7, 8:35 pm, V <v...@aol.com> wrote:
I've just remembered something from my childhood: Whenever a friend or
sibling did something very bad, or spilt something or made a mess or a
mistake of some sort, we would exclaim: "Oh! V!".
Anyway, HO! <whack>.
He's Jewish?
When a
HO! <Whack!>
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Resident Witchypoo
BAAWA Knight!
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On Jul 8, 12:34 pm, V <v...@aol.com> wrote:
On Jul 8, 6:03?am, "Michelle Malkin" <hypati...@comcast.net> wrote:
"The Rev Dr. Hugh Jarse NLAHN." <hugh.ja...@heathens.org.uk> wrote in
messagenews:1183884132.930839.270250@g4g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...> On Jul 7, 8:35 pm, V <v...@aol.com> wrote:
I've just remembered something from my childhood: Whenever a friend or
sibling did something very bad, or spilt something or made a mess or a
mistake of some sort, we would exclaim: "Oh! V!".
Anyway, HO! <whack>.
He's Jewish?
When a man's mind is concentrated he is blind. (Goes for women as well
Gail, Kate and Robyn.)
This is the problem with atheists....blindness.
Well, er, HO! <whack!>
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This is the problem with atheists....blindness.
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This is the problem with V... an endless stream of empty philosophical
blather, wherein s/he/v finds finds fault with everyone else in a
manner no different than that of your typical evangelist.
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HO! <whack!>
Medusa
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On Jul 8, 7:34 am, V <v...@aol.com> wrote:
This is the problem with atheists....
They all know whack-jitsu.
HO! <Whack>
Say "ouch", fucker.
There's a good little fucker.
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When a man's mind is
HO! <whack!>
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"O Sybilli, si ergo
Fortibus es in ero
O Nobili! Themis trux
Sivat sinem? Causen Dux"
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On Sun, 08 Jul 2007 04:34:38 -0700, V wrote:
When you're killfiled, nobody can hear you bable.
HOOOOOOOOO!!! <SHCHWACK>
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Mark K. Bilbo a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
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"Behold the foul stench of Skeletor's breakfast burrito!"
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She has you plon
HO! <whack!>
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Fortibus es in ero
O Nobili! Themis trux
Sivat sinem? Causen Dux"
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