Religions > Atheism > Salvation Army sued by two employees fired for not learning English
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"J Young" |
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30 Apr 2007 01:29:06 PM |
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Salvation Army sued by two employees fired for not learning English |
Of course the likes of Ray Fischer and his ACLU cohorts will
disapprove anything that makes America a better place to live. Instead
of being grateful that they don't have to support themselves laying on
their backs or picking fruit, these women refuse to learn the native
language. Maybe now that reality is about to slap them in the face,
they'll make a little effort. The nerve of these people!
http://www.onenewsnow.com/2007/04/salvation_army_sued_by_two_emp.php
An advocate for making English the official language of the U.S. says
he can't understand why the Equal Opportunity Employment Commission
(EEOC) is once again suing the Salvation Army for requiring its
employees to learn English, especially since the Salvation Army has
already won a similar court case.
Jim Boulet, executive director of English First, is appalled by the
recent decision of the Boston Office of the EEOC to file suit against
the Salvation Army for firing two employees who refused to learn
English. The Christian social service organization had given the two
women one year to get proficient in the language and to speak only
English in the workplace.
Boulet says the Salvation Army was actually doing the women a favor.
"Now, these women could have been allowed to just sit there sorting
used clothing for the Salvation Army," he suggests. "Evidently they
were doing a good enough job of that to be kept on; but that's not a
road to improvement for them or their families. So, instead of running
a little linguistic ghetto, the Salvation Army said, 'Learn English.'"
The English language advocate points out that a federal judge in
Boston upheld the Salvation Army's English policy in a similar case in
2003. The organization "was sued for this very same policy -- in the
very same courtroom -- and won," he notes; and yet, "the EEOC, with
your tax money and mine, is making the Salvation Army defend again its
policy of trying to encourage people to seize the opportunity that
America has to offer by learning English."
Boulet says he is glad the service organization is fighting the suit
again and "really proud that the Salvation Army hasn't just folded its
tent on this one." He says the organization has "stood up for its
principles" in this case.
And the English First spokesman is not alone in supporting the
Salvation Army's stance. In a news release, Congressman Tom Tancredo
(R-Colorado) also blasted the EEOC over what he called a "frivolous
lawsuit."
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| User: "Cary Kittrell" |
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| Title: Re: Salvation Army sued by two employees fired for not learning English |
30 Apr 2007 01:44:02 PM |
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In article <1177957746.522628.121760@n76g2000hsh.googlegroups.com> J Young <youngopinions@aol.com> writes:
Of course the likes of Ray Fischer and his ACLU cohorts will
disapprove anything that makes America a better place to live. Instead
of being grateful that they don't have to support themselves laying on
their backs or picking fruit, these women refuse to learn the native
language. Maybe now that reality is about to slap them in the face,
they'll make a little effort. The nerve of these people!
So, J, do you have a PayPal account? I have a PayPal
account.
PayPal accounts are nice.
So, tell you what: if the ACLU takes this case, I'll send
fifty bucks from my PayPal account to yours.
And if the ACLU does not take up this case, you will send
me twenty-five bucks, your PayPal account to mine.
Cutoff date being no later than one year from today.
Two-to-one odds in your favor!! How can you possibly
resist such a deal? I mean, given the strength of
your convictions, and all... well, I'm just POSITIVE
you will put your money where your considerable
mouth is.
You have twenty-four hours to reply.
-- cary
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| User: "LC" |
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| Title: Re: Salvation Army sued by two employees fired for not learning English |
30 Apr 2007 02:01:49 PM |
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"Cary Kittrell" <cary@afone.as.arizona.edu> wrote in message
news:f15ddi$cus$1@onion.ccit.arizona.edu...
In article <1177957746.522628.121760@n76g2000hsh.googlegroups.com> J Young
<youngopinions@aol.com> writes:
Of course the likes of Ray Fischer and his ACLU cohorts will
disapprove anything that makes America a better place to live. Instead
of being grateful that they don't have to support themselves laying on
their backs or picking fruit, these women refuse to learn the native
language. Maybe now that reality is about to slap them in the face,
they'll make a little effort. The nerve of these people!
So, J, do you have a PayPal account? I have a PayPal
account.
PayPal accounts are nice.
So, tell you what: if the ACLU takes this case, I'll send
fifty bucks from my PayPal account to yours.
And if the ACLU does not take up this case, you will send
me twenty-five bucks, your PayPal account to mine.
Cutoff date being no later than one year from today.
Two-to-one odds in your favor!! How can you possibly
resist such a deal? I mean, given the strength of
your convictions, and all... well, I'm just POSITIVE
you will put your money where your considerable
mouth is.
You have twenty-four hours to reply.
But who's going to loan "J" the $25?
;-)
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| User: "J Young" |
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| Title: Re: Salvation Army sued by two employees fired for not learning English |
30 Apr 2007 09:49:34 PM |
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On Apr 30, 2:44=EF=BF=BDpm, (Cary Kittrell) wrote:
In article <1177957746.522628.121...@n76g2000hsh.googlegroups.com> J Youn=
g <youngopini...@aol.com> writes:
Of course the likes of Ray Fischer and his ACLU cohorts will
disapprove anything that makes America a better place to live. Instead
of being grateful that they don't have to support themselves laying on
their backs or picking fruit, these women refuse to learn the native
language. Maybe now that reality is about to slap them in the face,
they'll make a little effort. The nerve of these people!
So, J, do you have a PayPal account? =A0I have a PayPal
account.
PayPal accounts are nice.
So, tell you what: if the ACLU takes this case, I'll send
fifty bucks from my PayPal account to yours. =A0
And if the ACLU does not take up this case, you will send
me twenty-five bucks, your PayPal account to mine.
Cutoff date being no later than one year from today.
Two-to-one odds in your favor!! How can you possibly
resist such a deal? =A0I mean, given the strength of
your convictions, and all... well, I'm just POSITIVE
you will put your money where your considerable
mouth is.
You have twenty-four hours to reply.
-- cary
I must turn down your generous offer for two reasons;
#1) Nowhere did I write that the ACLU would take the case.
#2) I don't gamble for money ( except for large jackpot lottery
tickets, which I then play one dollar).
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| User: "Cary Kittrell" |
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| Title: Re: Salvation Army sued by two employees fired for not learning English |
01 May 2007 11:55:08 AM |
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In article <1177987774.871224.252760@y5g2000hsa.googlegroups.com> J Young <youngopinions@aol.com> writes:
On Apr 30, 2:44=EF=BF=BDpm, (Cary Kittrell) wrote:
In article <1177957746.522628.121...@n76g2000hsh.googlegroups.com> J Youn=
g <youngopini...@aol.com> writes:
Of course the likes of Ray Fischer and his ACLU cohorts will
disapprove anything that makes America a better place to live. Instead
of being grateful that they don't have to support themselves laying on
their backs or picking fruit, these women refuse to learn the native
language. Maybe now that reality is about to slap them in the face,
they'll make a little effort. The nerve of these people!
So, J, do you have a PayPal account? =A0I have a PayPal
account.
PayPal accounts are nice.
So, tell you what: if the ACLU takes this case, I'll send
fifty bucks from my PayPal account to yours. =A0
And if the ACLU does not take up this case, you will send
me twenty-five bucks, your PayPal account to mine.
Cutoff date being no later than one year from today.
Two-to-one odds in your favor!! How can you possibly
resist such a deal? =A0I mean, given the strength of
your convictions, and all... well, I'm just POSITIVE
you will put your money where your considerable
mouth is.
You have twenty-four hours to reply.
-- cary
I must turn down your generous offer for two reasons;
#1) Nowhere did I write that the ACLU would take the case.
So your mention of them was just a random sneer, with no
relation whatsoever with the article?
#2) I don't gamble for money ( except for large jackpot lottery
tickets, which I then play one dollar).
What "gamble"? You always seem to think the ACLU poking into things
like this is a sure thing.
-- cary
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| User: "Parsifal" |
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| Title: Re: Salvation Army sued by two employees fired for not learning English |
01 May 2007 05:28:43 AM |
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On 1 Mai, 04:49, J Young <youngopini...@aol.com> wrote:
On Apr 30, 2:44?pm, (Cary Kittrell) wrote:
In article <1177957746.522628.121...@n76g2000hsh.googlegroups.com> J Young <youngopini...@aol.com> writes:
Of course the likes of Ray Fischer and his ACLU cohorts will
disapprove anything that makes America a better place to live. Instead
of being grateful that they don't have to support themselves laying on
their backs or picking fruit, these women refuse to learn the native
language. Maybe now that reality is about to slap them in the face,
they'll make a little effort. The nerve of these people!
So, J, do you have a PayPal account? ?I have a PayPal
account.
PayPal accounts are nice.
So, tell you what: if the ACLU takes this case, I'll send
fifty bucks from my PayPal account to yours. ?
And if the ACLU does not take up this case, you will send
me twenty-five bucks, your PayPal account to mine.
Cutoff date being no later than one year from today.
Two-to-one odds in your favor!! How can you possibly
resist such a deal? ?I mean, given the strength of
your convictions, and all... well, I'm just POSITIVE
you will put your money where your considerable
mouth is.
You have twenty-four hours to reply.
-- cary
I must turn down your generous offer for two reasons;
#1) Nowhere did I write that the ACLU would take the case.
Judging by your postings, you still don't know how the ACLU works. And
you still assume that it's the ACLU that picks up cases.
I'm not American and I got that. So either you're really stupid or
you're lying when you accuse the ACLU of taking cases you disapprove
of.
I'd choose a combination of the two.
#2) I don't gamble for money ( except for large jackpot lottery
tickets, which I then play one dollar
You should: by betting that you're the dumbest ***** ever, you'd win
hands down...
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| User: "bobandcarole" |
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| Title: Re: Salvation Army sued by two employees fired for not learning English |
02 May 2007 07:21:53 AM |
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On May 1, 6:28?am, Parsifal <jeanpascalvac...@gmail.com> wrote:
On 1 Mai, 04:49, J Young <youngopini...@aol.com> wrote:
On Apr 30, 2:44?pm, (Cary Kittrell) wrote:
In article <1177957746.522628.121...@n76g2000hsh.googlegroups.com> J Young <youngopini...@aol.com> writes:
Of course the likes of Ray Fischer and his ACLU cohorts will
disapprove anything that makes America a better place to live. Instead
of being grateful that they don't have to support themselves laying on
their backs or picking fruit, these women refuse to learn the native
language. Maybe now that reality is about to slap them in the face,
they'll make a little effort. The nerve of these people!
So, J, do you have a PayPal account? ?I have a PayPal
account.
PayPal accounts are nice.
So, tell you what: if the ACLU takes this case, I'll send
fifty bucks from my PayPal account to yours. ?
And if the ACLU does not take up this case, you will send
me twenty-five bucks, your PayPal account to mine.
Cutoff date being no later than one year from today.
Two-to-one odds in your favor!! How can you possibly
resist such a deal? ?I mean, given the strength of
your convictions, and all... well, I'm just POSITIVE
you will put your money where your considerable
mouth is.
You have twenty-four hours to reply.
-- cary
I must turn down your generous offer for two reasons;
#1) Nowhere did I write that the ACLU would take the case.
Judging by your postings, you still don't know how the ACLU works. And
you still assume that it's the ACLU that picks up cases.
I'm not American and I got that. So either you're really stupid or
you're lying when you accuse the ACLU of taking cases you disapprove
of.
I'd choose a combination of the two.
#2) I don't gamble for money ( except for large jackpot lottery
tickets, which I then play one dollar
You should: by betting that you're the dumbest ***** ever, you'd win
hands down..
Nobody could ever take your crown....
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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| Title: Re: Salvation Army sued by two employees fired for not learning English |
30 Apr 2007 10:18:35 PM |
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J Young <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote:
Of course the likes of Ray Fischer and his ACLU cohorts will
disapprove anything that makes America a better place to live.
Fascists believe that "better" means "obedient".
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "Parsifal" |
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| Title: Re: Salvation Army sued by two employees fired for not learning English |
30 Apr 2007 04:41:35 PM |
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On 30 Apr., 20:29, J Young <youngopini...@aol.com> wrote:
Of course the likes of Ray Fischer and his ACLU cohorts will
disapprove anything that makes America a better place to live. Instead
of being grateful that they don't have to support themselves laying on
their backs or picking fruit, these women refuse to learn the native
language. Maybe now that reality is about to slap them in the face,
they'll make a little effort. The nerve of these people!
Do you also disapprove of ACLU when they defend Rush Limbaugh?
Why do you hate your country so much, nazi boy?
=C0 propos nerve: why do you systematically say the opposite of what
your sect is telling you to do?
Could it be that you also hate your religion?
http://www.onenewsnow.com/2007/04/salvation_army_sued_by_two_emp.php
Ah, the usual balanced and unbiased source...
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| User: "Andrealphus" |
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| Title: Re: Salvation Army sued by two employees fired for not learning English |
30 Apr 2007 05:24:28 PM |
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In News 1177969295.723248.45620@u30g2000hsc.googlegroups.com,, Parsifal at
jeanpascalvachon@gmail.com, typed this:
On 30 Apr., 20:29, J Young <youngopini...@aol.com> wrote:
Of course the likes of Ray Fischer and his ACLU cohorts will
disapprove anything that makes America a better place to live.
Instead of being grateful that they don't have to support themselves
laying on their backs or picking fruit, these women refuse to learn
the native language. Maybe now that reality is about to slap them in
the face, they'll make a little effort. The nerve of these people!
Do you also disapprove of ACLU when they defend Rush Limbaugh?
Why do you hate your country so much, nazi boy?
Normally, I would agree with the ACLU, but as far as I can tell, this
shouldn't be an issue. If one of the skills you need to do your job is to
speak a certain language, be it English, German, or whatever, then that's
just something you have to roll with. It's the same thing as the years I
spent as a programmer. If my boss walked in and said, "Hey, we've decided
that we're going to scrap our entire inventory system for this new open
source package, and oh, guess what? You need to learn C++ by next week,
then that was what I rolled with. The ACLU does some good work, but there
are times when they go a bit overboard.
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| User: "Conspiracy of Doves" |
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| Title: Re: Salvation Army sued by two employees fired for not learning English |
30 Apr 2007 06:20:26 PM |
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On Apr 30, 6:24 pm, "Andrealphus" <NOTAREALEMAI...@FAM.NET> wrote:
In News 1177969295.723248.45...@u30g2000hsc.googlegroups.com,, Parsifal at
jeanpascalvac...@gmail.com, typed this:
On 30 Apr., 20:29, J Young <youngopini...@aol.com> wrote:
Of course the likes of Ray Fischer and his ACLU cohorts will
disapprove anything that makes America a better place to live.
Instead of being grateful that they don't have to support themselves
laying on their backs or picking fruit, these women refuse to learn
the native language. Maybe now that reality is about to slap them in
the face, they'll make a little effort. The nerve of these people!
Do you also disapprove of ACLU when they defend Rush Limbaugh?
Why do you hate your country so much, nazi boy?
Normally, I would agree with the ACLU, but as far as I can tell, this
shouldn't be an issue. If one of the skills you need to do your job is to
speak a certain language, be it English, German, or whatever, then that's
just something you have to roll with. It's the same thing as the years I
spent as a programmer. If my boss walked in and said, "Hey, we've decided
that we're going to scrap our entire inventory system for this new open
source package, and oh, guess what? You need to learn C++ by next week,
then that was what I rolled with. The ACLU does some good work, but there
are times when they go a bit overboard.
I don't think you understand. The ACLU has nothing to do with this.
They aren't involved. Young just assumes that they would take the side
of the fired employees.
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| User: "Andrealphus" |
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| Title: Re: Salvation Army sued by two employees fired for not learning English |
30 Apr 2007 06:27:36 PM |
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In News 1177975226.201502.48500@o5g2000hsb.googlegroups.com,, Conspiracy of
Doves at mark_dp73@yahoo.com, typed this:
On Apr 30, 6:24 pm, "Andrealphus" <NOTAREALEMAI...@FAM.NET> wrote:
In News 1177969295.723248.45...@u30g2000hsc.googlegroups.com,,
Parsifal at jeanpascalvac...@gmail.com, typed this:
On 30 Apr., 20:29, J Young <youngopini...@aol.com> wrote:
Of course the likes of Ray Fischer and his ACLU cohorts will
disapprove anything that makes America a better place to live.
Instead of being grateful that they don't have to support
themselves laying on their backs or picking fruit, these women
refuse to learn the native language. Maybe now that reality is
about to slap them in the face, they'll make a little effort. The
nerve of these people!
Do you also disapprove of ACLU when they defend Rush Limbaugh?
Why do you hate your country so much, nazi boy?
Normally, I would agree with the ACLU, but as far as I can tell, this
shouldn't be an issue. If one of the skills you need to do your
job is to speak a certain language, be it English, German, or
whatever, then that's just something you have to roll with. It's
the same thing as the years I spent as a programmer. If my boss
walked in and said, "Hey, we've decided that we're going to scrap
our entire inventory system for this new open source package, and
oh, guess what? You need to learn C++ by next week, then that was
what I rolled with. The ACLU does some good work, but there are
times when they go a bit overboard.
I don't think you understand. The ACLU has nothing to do with this.
They aren't involved. Young just assumes that they would take the side
of the fired employees.
Ohh... Sorry, yeah, Young is sort of an idiot in such matters.
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