Religions > Atheism > Sam Harris and Chris Hedges debate religion and politics (53 minutes)
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Sam Harris and Chris Hedges debate religion and politics (53 minutes) |
http://www.truthdig.com/avbooth/item/20070606_truthdig_debate_highlights/
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| User: "Michael Gray" |
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| Title: Re: Sam Harris and Chris Hedges debate religion and politics (53 minutes) |
09 Jun 2007 09:03:18 PM |
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On Sat, 09 Jun 2007 08:53:47 -0700, "simple_language@yahoo.com"
<simple_language@yahoo.com> wrote:
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http://www.truthdig.com/avbooth/item/20070606_truthdig_debate_highlights/
This is NOT the full debate.
Someone is hiding something here.
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| User: "Michelle Malkin" |
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| Title: Re: Sam Harris and Chris Hedges debate religion and politics (53 minutes) |
10 Jun 2007 02:10:26 AM |
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"Michael Gray" <mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote in message
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On Sat, 09 Jun 2007 08:53:47 -0700, "simple_language@yahoo.com"
<simple_language@yahoo.com> wrote:
- Refer: <1181404427.706517.152740@q66g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>
http://www.truthdig.com/avbooth/item/20070606_truthdig_debate_highlights/
This is NOT the full debate.
Someone is hiding something here.
No, they aren't. If you'd listened to the entire end
after the sentence got cut off, they tell where to
go to hear the entire debate.
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| User: "Michael Gray" |
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| Title: Re: Sam Harris and Chris Hedges debate religion and politics (53 minutes) |
10 Jun 2007 02:57:10 AM |
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On Sun, 10 Jun 2007 03:10:26 -0400, "Michelle Malkin"
<hypatiab7@comcast.net> wrote:
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"Michael Gray" <mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote in message
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On Sat, 09 Jun 2007 08:53:47 -0700, "simple_language@yahoo.com"
<simple_language@yahoo.com> wrote:
- Refer: <1181404427.706517.152740@q66g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>
http://www.truthdig.com/avbooth/item/20070606_truthdig_debate_highlights/
This is NOT the full debate.
Someone is hiding something here.
No, they aren't. If you'd listened to the entire end
after the sentence got cut off, they tell where to
go to hear the entire debate.
At 15:12 minute mark in the 52:54 indicated audio debate, "Kate" of
KPFC clearly confesses to the audio as being EXCERPTS.
It *IS* edited.
It is *NOT* the full debate.
That said, Sam Harris is clearly near his best (which is manifestly
excellent and adult).
Chris Hedges is clearly near his best (which is appallingly
depressingly gullible and cloyingly repulsive).
"Truthdig" quite simply ARE hiding something.
If you are able to point me to the unedited debate, I would appreciate
the gesture.
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| User: "Michelle Malkin" |
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| Title: Re: Sam Harris and Chris Hedges debate religion and politics (53 minutes) |
10 Jun 2007 06:12:59 AM |
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"Michael Gray" <mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote in message
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On Sun, 10 Jun 2007 03:10:26 -0400, "Michelle Malkin"
<hypatiab7@comcast.net> wrote:
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"Michael Gray" <mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote in message
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On Sat, 09 Jun 2007 08:53:47 -0700, "simple_language@yahoo.com"
<simple_language@yahoo.com> wrote:
- Refer: <1181404427.706517.152740@q66g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>
http://www.truthdig.com/avbooth/item/20070606_truthdig_debate_highlights/
This is NOT the full debate.
Someone is hiding something here.
No, they aren't. If you'd listened to the entire end
after the sentence got cut off, they tell where to
go to hear the entire debate.
At 15:12 minute mark in the 52:54 indicated audio debate, "Kate" of
KPFC clearly confesses to the audio as being EXCERPTS.
It *IS* edited.
It is *NOT* the full debate.
That said, Sam Harris is clearly near his best (which is manifestly
excellent and adult).
Chris Hedges is clearly near his best (which is appallingly
depressingly gullible and cloyingly repulsive).
"Truthdig" quite simply ARE hiding something.
If you are able to point me to the unedited debate, I would appreciate
the gesture.
Play the end of the debate when the announcer comes on.
She says where the whole thing is. Why do you think they
are hiding something?
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| User: "David Thuleen" |
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| Title: Re: Sam Harris and Chris Hedges debate religion and politics (53 minutes) |
10 Jun 2007 04:23:50 PM |
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In article <XJSdndTZg-0xQfbbnZ2dnUVZ_tSunZ2d@comcast.com>, Michelle
Malkin <hypatiab7@comcast.net> wrote:
"Michael Gray" <mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote in message
news:hmbn63dqagucdpv47fl4gkuogtsklttv4k@4ax.com...
"Truthdig" quite simply ARE hiding something.
If you are able to point me to the unedited debate, I would appreciate
the gesture.
Play the end of the debate when the announcer comes on.
She says where the whole thing is. Why do you think they
are hiding something?
I have no idea if they are hiding something, but the announcer never
says where the whole thing is. He (not she) says "For information
about hearing the entire audio" we should "check the Truthdig
website." I did so. The website offers the following:
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Truthdig Debate Highlights
Posted on Jun 6, 2007
On May 22, Sam Harris and Chris Hedges debated religion and politics in
Los Angeles. Here is a condensed audio version of the event, broadcast
on KPFK¹s ³Beneath the Surface² with Suzi Weissman.
A Note to our readers: we are in no way holding back the unedited
version of the debate. It has always been our intention to release as
much of the debate as is available to us at any given time. We
understand that many of you wished to be there and can¹t wait to listen
to the whole thing. We appreciate your continued patience.
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Now, if I have missed something, I'd love to be corrected.
I don't see easily why it takes less time to edit an audio file and
post it than it does to post it unedited. But there might be a good
reason.
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Dave Thuleen
Escondido, California
"You could give Aristotle a tutorial. And you could thrill him to the core of
his being ... Such is the privilege of living after Newton, Darwin, Einstein,
Planck, Watson, Crick and their colleagues."
-- Richard Dawkins
"We do not respect people's beliefs; we evaluate their reasons. If my reasons
are good enough, you will helplessly believe what I believe. That is what it
is to be a rational human being. Reasons are contagious."
-- Sam Harris, author of The End of Faith http://www.samharris.org/
Click to watch these video links:
Richard Dawkins address at the University of Kansas:
http://tinyurl.com/26u9l4
Sam Harris address at the Society for Ethical Culture, New York City
http://tinyurl.com/38myhh
Click to listen to this audio link:
http://longnow.chubbo.net/salt-0200512-harris/salt-0200512-harris.mp3
Those Fanatical Atheists
http://tinyurl.com/34q2g9
How well do you know the Bible?
http://www.ffrf.org/quiz/bquiz.php
Just as others do, they wait for their messiah to return:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/6370991.stm
Why won't God heal amputees?
http://whywontgodhealamputees.com/
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| User: "Michael Gray" |
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| Title: Re: Sam Harris and Chris Hedges debate religion and politics (53 minutes) |
10 Jun 2007 08:15:47 AM |
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On Sun, 10 Jun 2007 07:12:59 -0400, "Michelle Malkin"
<hypatiab7@comcast.net> wrote:
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"Michael Gray" <mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote in message
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On Sun, 10 Jun 2007 03:10:26 -0400, "Michelle Malkin"
<hypatiab7@comcast.net> wrote:
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"Michael Gray" <mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote in message
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On Sat, 09 Jun 2007 08:53:47 -0700, "simple_language@yahoo.com"
<simple_language@yahoo.com> wrote:
- Refer: <1181404427.706517.152740@q66g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>
http://www.truthdig.com/avbooth/item/20070606_truthdig_debate_highlights/
This is NOT the full debate.
Someone is hiding something here.
No, they aren't. If you'd listened to the entire end
after the sentence got cut off, they tell where to
go to hear the entire debate.
At 15:12 minute mark in the 52:54 indicated audio debate, "Kate" of
KPFC clearly confesses to the audio as being EXCERPTS.
It *IS* edited.
It is *NOT* the full debate.
That said, Sam Harris is clearly near his best (which is manifestly
excellent and adult).
Chris Hedges is clearly near his best (which is appallingly
depressingly gullible and cloyingly repulsive).
"Truthdig" quite simply ARE hiding something.
If you are able to point me to the unedited debate, I would appreciate
the gesture.
Play the end of the debate when the announcer comes on.
She says where the whole thing is. Why do you think they
are hiding something?
Because she *repeats* (at around the 45 minute mark) the admission
that it is a compilation of excerpts.
Can I make it plainer than that?
Or are we listening to a different thing?
Are you suggesting that the broadcaster does NOT say that it the
broadcast is edited?
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| User: "Michelle Malkin" |
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| Title: Re: Sam Harris and Chris Hedges debate religion and politics (53 minutes) |
10 Jun 2007 11:53:16 PM |
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"Michael Gray" <mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote in message
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On Sun, 10 Jun 2007 07:12:59 -0400, "Michelle Malkin"
<hypatiab7@comcast.net> wrote:
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"Michael Gray" <mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote in message
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On Sun, 10 Jun 2007 03:10:26 -0400, "Michelle Malkin"
<hypatiab7@comcast.net> wrote:
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"Michael Gray" <mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote in message
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On Sat, 09 Jun 2007 08:53:47 -0700, "simple_language@yahoo.com"
<simple_language@yahoo.com> wrote:
- Refer: <1181404427.706517.152740@q66g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>
http://www.truthdig.com/avbooth/item/20070606_truthdig_debate_highlights/
This is NOT the full debate.
Someone is hiding something here.
No, they aren't. If you'd listened to the entire end
after the sentence got cut off, they tell where to
go to hear the entire debate.
At 15:12 minute mark in the 52:54 indicated audio debate, "Kate" of
KPFC clearly confesses to the audio as being EXCERPTS.
It *IS* edited.
It is *NOT* the full debate.
That said, Sam Harris is clearly near his best (which is manifestly
excellent and adult).
Chris Hedges is clearly near his best (which is appallingly
depressingly gullible and cloyingly repulsive).
"Truthdig" quite simply ARE hiding something.
If you are able to point me to the unedited debate, I would appreciate
the gesture.
Play the end of the debate when the announcer comes on.
She says where the whole thing is. Why do you think they
are hiding something?
Because she *repeats* (at around the 45 minute mark) the admission
that it is a compilation of excerpts.
Can I make it plainer than that?
Or are we listening to a different thing?
Are you suggesting that the broadcaster does NOT say that it the
broadcast is edited?
I never said that. What I said was that she tells you where
to go for the entire debate after the edited debate is over. I've
written this three times, now. If I'm remembering that
incorrectly, I'm sorry. I know that the broadcast we heard
wasn't the entire thing. I never said that it was. Why are you
trying to start an argument? And, you still haven't said why you
think they are trying to hide something.
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| User: "Michael Gray" |
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| Title: Re: Sam Harris and Chris Hedges debate religion and politics (53 minutes) |
11 Jun 2007 03:21:45 AM |
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On Mon, 11 Jun 2007 00:53:16 -0400, "Michelle Malkin"
<hypatiab7@comcast.net> wrote:
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"Michael Gray" <mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote in message
news:16un63lkkm7rtg3se02j4q0qg00rudt3tr@4ax.com...
On Sun, 10 Jun 2007 07:12:59 -0400, "Michelle Malkin"
<hypatiab7@comcast.net> wrote:
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"Michael Gray" <mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote in message
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On Sun, 10 Jun 2007 03:10:26 -0400, "Michelle Malkin"
<hypatiab7@comcast.net> wrote:
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"Michael Gray" <mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote in message
news:fumm63hccqcockgiefhh15noelb3rb0crl@4ax.com...
On Sat, 09 Jun 2007 08:53:47 -0700, "simple_language@yahoo.com"
<simple_language@yahoo.com> wrote:
- Refer: <1181404427.706517.152740@q66g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>
http://www.truthdig.com/avbooth/item/20070606_truthdig_debate_highlights/
This is NOT the full debate.
Someone is hiding something here.
No, they aren't. If you'd listened to the entire end
after the sentence got cut off, they tell where to
go to hear the entire debate.
At 15:12 minute mark in the 52:54 indicated audio debate, "Kate" of
KPFC clearly confesses to the audio as being EXCERPTS.
It *IS* edited.
It is *NOT* the full debate.
That said, Sam Harris is clearly near his best (which is manifestly
excellent and adult).
Chris Hedges is clearly near his best (which is appallingly
depressingly gullible and cloyingly repulsive).
"Truthdig" quite simply ARE hiding something.
If you are able to point me to the unedited debate, I would appreciate
the gesture.
Play the end of the debate when the announcer comes on.
She says where the whole thing is. Why do you think they
are hiding something?
Because she *repeats* (at around the 45 minute mark) the admission
that it is a compilation of excerpts.
Can I make it plainer than that?
Or are we listening to a different thing?
Are you suggesting that the broadcaster does NOT say that it the
broadcast is edited?
I never said that. What I said was that she tells you where
to go for the entire debate after the edited debate is over. I've
I have been to where she suggested, to no avail.
(As have a score or more of others complainants, it seems.)
The options offerred quite simply do not result in the acquisition of
an unedited debate, at last check.
written this three times, now. If I'm remembering that
incorrectly, I'm sorry. I know that the broadcast we heard
wasn't the entire thing. I never said that it was. Why are you
trying to start an argument?
I am sorry if I sounded as though I was angry with you.
I understand that you said what you did with the best of intentions,
and regret that my anger with Truthdig spilled over on to you.
You have my most abject and humble apology.
And, you still haven't said why you
think they are trying to hide something.
Because Truthdig have had the video of the debate for over a fortnight
now, and *keep* publically promising to release the unedited version,
but keep failing to do so, despite enormous pressure.
How hard can it be to NOT edit a debate?
Something is rotten in Denmark, I tell thee, and I suspect that
truthdig are not living up to their charter.
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| User: "Sophia" |
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| Title: Re: Sam Harris and Chris Hedges debate religion and politics (53 minutes) |
12 Jun 2007 10:56:42 PM |
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Is there any chance of eventually finding it in a video format?
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| User: "Michelle Malkin" |
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| Title: Re: Sam Harris and Chris Hedges debate religion and politics (53 minutes) |
13 Jun 2007 12:45:24 AM |
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"Sophia" <sephxml@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Is there any chance of eventually finding it in a video format?
I don't know.
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| User: "Michael Gray" |
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| Title: Re: Sam Harris and Chris Hedges debate religion and politics (53 minutes) |
13 Jun 2007 02:09:16 AM |
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On Wed, 13 Jun 2007 03:56:42 -0000, Sophia <sephxml@gmail.com> wrote:
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Is there any chance of eventually finding it in a video format?
Not by the looks of it.
Truthdig has cursiously baulked on this one.
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| User: "Sophia" |
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| Title: Re: Sam Harris and Chris Hedges debate religion and politics (53 minutes) |
21 Jul 2007 10:50:49 PM |
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On Jun 13, 3:09 am, Michael Gray <mikeg...@newsguy.com> wrote:
On Wed, 13 Jun 2007 03:56:42 -0000, Sophia <seph...@gmail.com> wrote:
- Refer: <1181707002.169709.23...@j4g2000prf.googlegroups.com>
Is there any chance of eventually finding it in a video format?
Not by the looks of it.
Truthdig has cursiously baulked on this one.
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About time! The full unedited version of the audio and a condensed
version of the video is now available.
http://www.truthdig.com/avbooth/item/20070617_religion_politics_and_the_end_of_the_world/
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| User: "Michael Gray" |
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| Title: Re: Sam Harris and Chris Hedges debate religion and politics (53 minutes) |
22 Jul 2007 02:01:37 AM |
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On Sat, 21 Jul 2007 20:50:49 -0700, Sophia <sephxml@gmail.com> wrote:
On Jun 13, 3:09 am, Michael Gray <mikeg...@newsguy.com> wrote:
On Wed, 13 Jun 2007 03:56:42 -0000, Sophia <seph...@gmail.com> wrote:
- Refer: <1181707002.169709.23...@j4g2000prf.googlegroups.com>
Is there any chance of eventually finding it in a video format?
Not by the looks of it.
Truthdig has cursiously baulked on this one.
--
About time! The full unedited version of the audio and a condensed
version of the video is now available.
http://www.truthdig.com/avbooth/item/20070617_religion_politics_and_the_end_of_the_world/
Thanks.
What took them so long, do you know?
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