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Topic:	Religions > Atheism
User:	"Clayton Cant Find His Left Sock"
Date:	17 May 2004 08:03:13 PM
Object:	Sarin "WMD" Appears MAGICALLY In Iraq In Time For U.S. Elections

Claims have already been made that this proves and justifies the coalitions
invasion of Iraq.
So let me get this straight. Hundreds of billions of dollars, thousands and
thousands of lives, the virtual destruction of an entire country and a
thousand fold world wide increase in the danger of terrorism is justified by
the sudden appearance of one shoddy 13 year old sarin shell, which for some
reason wasn't found in the last year or so of the entire country being
turned over and over again, but MAGICALLY appears "by the side of the road"
just in time for the U.S. election???
http://www.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,4057,9593240%255E401,00.html
Sarin nerve agent released in capital
From correspondents in Baghdad
May 18, 2004
A ROADSIDE bomb containing the nerve agent sarin exploded near an American
military convoy in Baghdad, the US military said today.
It was the first confirmed finding of any of the banned weapons upon which
the United States based its case for the Iraq war.
"The Iraqi Survey Group confirmed today that a 155-mm artillery round
containing sarin nerve agent had been found," said Brigadier-General Mark
Kimmitt, the chief military spokesman in Iraq. "The round had been rigged as
an IED (improvised explosive device), which was discovered by a US force
convoy.
"A detonation occurred before the IED could be rendered inoperable. This
produced a very small dispersal of agent," he said. The incident occurred
two days ago, he said.
"Two explosive ordnance team members were treated for minor exposure to
nerve agent," he said.
http://news.com.au/common/story_page/0,4057,9593577%255E1702,00.html
Sarin not evidence of WMD: Blix
By Matt Moore in Sweden
May 18, 2004
FORMER chief UN weapons inspector Hans Blix said that a shell containing
sarin nerve gas used in an attack in Iraq was most likely a stray weapon
possibly from the first Gulf War.
Mr Blix said today that the discovery of the nerve agent was not a sign that
Saddam Hussein's regime possessed weapons of mass destruction before the war
last year.
The US-led coalition used that claim to justify the invasion even though UN
inspectors failed to make any significant finds before the war.
The former Swedish foreign minister said the 155-mm shell used to attack a
US military convoy Monday could have been part of a group of old, unused
shells that were simply debris leftover from the war in 1991, adding the
weapon could have been scavenged from a dump.
"It doesn't sound absurd at all. There can be debris from the past and
that's a very different thing from having stockpiles and supplies," he said.
.

User: "Kevin Anthoney"
Title: Re: Sarin "WMD" Appears MAGICALLY In Iraq In Time For U.S. Elections	18 May 2004 03:01:51 PM

Clayton Can't Find His Left Sock wrote:

Hey, it was dangerous. It nearly injured two people!
--
Kevin Anthoney
kanthoney[a]dsl.pipex.com
.

User: "Clayton Cant Find His Left Sock"
Title: Re: Sarin "WMD" Appears MAGICALLY In Iraq In Time For U.S. Elections	18 May 2004 06:24:16 PM

"Kevin Anthoney" <kevin_anthoney@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:48c12$40aa6baf$51569c09$764@nf3.news-service-com...

Clayton Can't Find His Left Sock wrote:

thousand fold world wide increase in the danger of terrorism is

justified

by the sudden appearance of one shoddy 13 year old sarin shell, which

for

some reason wasn't found in the last year or so of the entire country
being turned over and over again, but MAGICALLY appears "by the side of
the road" just in time for the U.S. election???

Hey, it was dangerous. It nearly injured two people!

Yes...because the Bush administration would never put it's troops in danger
to advance it's own agenda or cover up it's own *****
ups...neverrrrrrrrrrrr!!
.

User: "Fred Stone"
Title: Re: Sarin "WMD" Appears MAGICALLY In Iraq In Time For U.S. Elections	18 May 2004 03:51:28 PM

Kevin Anthoney <kevin_anthoney@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:48c12$40aa6baf$51569c09$764@nf3.news-service-com:

Clayton Can't Find His Left Sock wrote:

Hey, it was dangerous. It nearly injured two people!

Good thing they got prompt treatment for Sarin poisoning. Even better
good thing that the enemy fighters who made the IED apparantly didn't
know what they had or how to use it properly. Now that they know what to
look for, and possibly where to look for more of the same, I wouldn't be
so sanguine about it.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
Cthulhu for President! Why vote for a lesser evil?
.

User: "Jos Flachs"
Title: Re: Sarin "WMD" Appears MAGICALLY In Iraq In Time For U.S. Elections	19 May 2004 02:45:48 AM

On Tue, 18 May 2004 21:01:51 +0100, Kevin Anthoney
<kevin_anthoney@hotmail.com> wrote:

Clayton Can't Find His Left Sock wrote:

Hey, it was dangerous. It nearly injured two people!

I could do more harm with a slide ruler. A weapon of math
destruction...
.

User: "duke"
Title: Re: Sarin "WMD" Appears MAGICALLY In Iraq In Time For U.S. Elections	18 May 2004 05:34:01 PM

On Tue, 18 May 2004 21:01:51 +0100, Kevin Anthoney <kevin_anthoney@hotmail.com> wrote:

Clayton Can't Find His Left Sock wrote:

Hey, it was dangerous. It nearly injured two people!

As much as 4 liters worth.
duke
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User: "Gregory Gadow"
Title: Re: Sarin "WMD" Appears MAGICALLY In Iraq In Time For U.S. Elections	18 May 2004 08:19:38 AM

Clayton Can't Find His Left Sock wrote:

Yup. Is that what people have been saying would happen for the last year?
--
Gregory Gadow
techbear@serv.net
http://www.serv.net/~techbear
"If you make yourself a sheep, the wolves will eat you."
-- Benjamin Franklin
.

User: "Fred Stone"
Title: Re: Sarin "WMD" Appears MAGICALLY In Iraq In Time For U.S. Elections	18 May 2004 10:19:56 AM

Gregory Gadow <techbear@serv.net> wrote in
news:40AA0D6A.69E7C1D9@serv.net:

Clayton Can't Find His Left Sock wrote:

255E401,00.htm

Yup. Is that what people have been saying would happen for the last
year? --

Other people have been saying that anti-war crowd would come up with
excuses for anything we find, too.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
Cthulhu for President! Why vote for a lesser evil?
.

User: "Jos Flachs"
Title: Re: Sarin "WMD" Appears MAGICALLY In Iraq In Time For U.S. Elections	19 May 2004 02:45:46 AM

On Tue, 18 May 2004 15:19:56 GMT, Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com>
wrote:

Other people have been saying that anti-war crowd would come up with
excuses for anything we find, too.

It is the remarkable coincidence that tickles our attention.
The first Iraq war was over how many years? The UN inspectors have
been stumbling all over Iraq how many years? And found what?
Now GW Scumbag's ratings are going down the drain, <poof!> "You want a
WMD? Here we got a WMD!"
.

User: "Fred Stone"
Title: Re: Sarin "WMD" Appears MAGICALLY In Iraq In Time For U.S. Elections	19 May 2004 08:54:46 AM

Jos Flachs <'wcruise'@ksc15.th.com> wrote in
news:vgcla0hatrlg1arlsfkt44eq0iqi48bjrd@4ax.com:

On Tue, 18 May 2004 15:19:56 GMT, Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com>
wrote:

Other people have been saying that anti-war crowd would come up with
excuses for anything we find, too.

It is the remarkable coincidence that tickles our attention.

The first Iraq war was over how many years? The UN inspectors have
been stumbling all over Iraq how many years? And found what?

How long did it take them to find the big stockpile the first time?
Two years, wasn't it?
And Saddam wasn't exactly letting them "stumble around" unsupervised. He
had advance warning of every move they made from his pocket pals in the
UN.

Now GW Scumbag's ratings are going down the drain, <poof!> "You want a
WMD? Here we got a WMD!"

The timing's still not that great. Closer to the election would have
been better. They haven't even had the conventions yet. That usually
gets both sides an uptick or two.
Or last year sometime, but we caught up to Saddam instead. ;-)
And if Rummy was going to bury some, we've got *shitloads* of it that he
could have used. One shell gives you guys too much latitude to make
excuses.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
Cthulhu for President! Why vote for a lesser evil?
.

User: "Jos Flachs"
Title: Re: Sarin "WMD" Appears MAGICALLY In Iraq In Time For U.S. Elections	19 May 2004 11:18:18 PM

On Wed, 19 May 2004 13:54:46 GMT, Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com>
wrote:

Other people have been saying that anti-war crowd would come up with
excuses for anything we find, too.

It is the remarkable coincidence that tickles our attention.

The first Iraq war was over how many years? The UN inspectors have
been stumbling all over Iraq how many years? And found what?

How long did it take them to find the big stockpile the first time?

Two years, wasn't it?

Could be.

And Saddam wasn't exactly letting them "stumble around" unsupervised. He
had advance warning of every move they made from his pocket pals in the
UN.

Any proof for that? If anything, the US has far more control over the
UN than Iraq had.

Now GW Scumbag's ratings are going down the drain, <poof!> "You want a
WMD? Here we got a WMD!"

The timing's still not that great. Closer to the election would have
been better. They haven't even had the conventions yet. That usually
gets both sides an uptick or two.

True enough. But nobody every accessed GW Scumbag of being smart.

Or last year sometime, but we caught up to Saddam instead. ;-)

Thy should have saved him, for later...

And if Rummy was going to bury some, we've got *shitloads* of it that he
could have used. One shell gives you guys too much latitude to make
excuses.

Just curious: does the US have Sarin? I know about other nerve gasses,
but am not sure if they have Sarin in the inventory.
.

User: "Fred Stone"
Title: Re: Sarin "WMD" Appears MAGICALLY In Iraq In Time For U.S. Elections	20 May 2004 08:29:15 AM

Jos Flachs <'wcruise'@ksc15.th.com> wrote in
news:r01oa01eoasgtkvpiniehqc1svd9kl63mg@4ax.com:

On Wed, 19 May 2004 13:54:46 GMT, Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com>
wrote:

Other people have been saying that anti-war crowd would come up with
excuses for anything we find, too.

It is the remarkable coincidence that tickles our attention.

The first Iraq war was over how many years? The UN inspectors have
been stumbling all over Iraq how many years? And found what?

How long did it take them to find the big stockpile the first time?

Two years, wasn't it?

Could be.

And Saddam wasn't exactly letting them "stumble around" unsupervised.
He had advance warning of every move they made from his pocket pals in
the UN.

Any proof for that? If anything, the US has far more control over the
UN than Iraq had.

Oh, please, when they kick us off the human rights panel in favor of
Sudan and Cuba?

Now GW Scumbag's ratings are going down the drain, <poof!> "You want
a WMD? Here we got a WMD!"

The timing's still not that great. Closer to the election would have
been better. They haven't even had the conventions yet. That usually
gets both sides an uptick or two.

True enough. But nobody every accessed GW Scumbag of being smart.

Or last year sometime, but we caught up to Saddam instead. ;-)

Thy should have saved him, for later...

Too hard to really truly keep something like that on ice that long.
Makes a nice conspiracy theory but not in Real Life.

And if Rummy was going to bury some, we've got *shitloads* of it that
he could have used. One shell gives you guys too much latitude to make
excuses.

Just curious: does the US have Sarin? I know about other nerve gasses,
but am not sure if they have Sarin in the inventory.

From my reading we phased Sarin (aka GB) out in favor of VX but we could
make it easily enough. Again, it makes a nice story but keeping a
conspiracy like that under wraps isn't possible in RL.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
Cthulhu for President! Why vote for a lesser evil?
.

User: "Jez"
Title: Re: Sarin "WMD" Appears MAGICALLY In Iraq In Time For U.S. Elections	20 May 2004 08:55:40 AM

"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in message
news:Xns94EF6084961D9fstone69@207.69.154.202...

And Saddam wasn't exactly letting them "stumble around" unsupervised.
He had advance warning of every move they made from his pocket pals in
the UN.

Any proof for that? If anything, the US has far more control over the
UN than Iraq had.

Oh, please, when they kick us off the human rights panel in favor of
Sudan and Cuba?

And with good reason.....Go read up on Prison abuses in the US.
Amongst other Human rights violations......
--
Jez
"The condition of alienation, of being asleep, of being unconscious,
of being out of one's mind, is the condition of the normal man. Society
highly values its normal man.It educates children to lose themselves
and to become absurd,and thus to be normal. Normal men have killed
perhaps 100,000,000 of their fellow normal men in the last fifty years."
R.D. Laing
.

User: "Fred Stone"
Title: Re: Sarin "WMD" Appears MAGICALLY In Iraq In Time For U.S. Elections	20 May 2004 10:45:13 AM

"Jez" <iced_spear@AwaySPAMdsl.pipex.com> wrote in
news:40acb8c0$0$20508$cc9e4d1f@news-text.dial.pipex.com:

"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in message
news:Xns94EF6084961D9fstone69@207.69.154.202...

And Saddam wasn't exactly letting them "stumble around"
unsupervised. He had advance warning of every move they made from
his pocket pals in the UN.

Any proof for that? If anything, the US has far more control over
the UN than Iraq had.

Oh, please, when they kick us off the human rights panel in favor of
Sudan and Cuba?

And with good reason.....Go read up on Prison abuses in the US.
Amongst other Human rights violations......

There's that moral equivalence again. When we find prison abuse we make
it public and do something about it.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
Cthulhu for President! Why vote for a lesser evil?
.

User: "johac"
Title: Re: Sarin "WMD" Appears MAGICALLY In Iraq In Time For U.S. Elections	18 May 2004 01:53:27 AM

In article <40a96098$0$3032$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au>,
"Clayton Can't Find His Left Sock"
<cjfat@BLOCKINGOFTHESPAMphonyemail.com> wrote:

Claims have already been made that this proves and justifies the coalitions
invasion of Iraq.

So let me get this straight. Hundreds of billions of dollars, thousands and
thousands of lives, the virtual destruction of an entire country and a
thousand fold world wide increase in the danger of terrorism is justified by
the sudden appearance of one shoddy 13 year old sarin shell, which for some
reason wasn't found in the last year or so of the entire country being
turned over and over again, but MAGICALLY appears "by the side of the road"
just in time for the U.S. election???

http://www.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,4057,9593240%255E401,00.html

Sarin nerve agent released in capital
From correspondents in Baghdad
May 18, 2004

A ROADSIDE bomb containing the nerve agent sarin exploded near an American
military convoy in Baghdad, the US military said today.

It was the first confirmed finding of any of the banned weapons upon which
the United States based its case for the Iraq war.

"The Iraqi Survey Group confirmed today that a 155-mm artillery round
containing sarin nerve agent had been found," said Brigadier-General Mark
Kimmitt, the chief military spokesman in Iraq. "The round had been rigged as
an IED (improvised explosive device), which was discovered by a US force
convoy.

"A detonation occurred before the IED could be rendered inoperable. This
produced a very small dispersal of agent," he said. The incident occurred
two days ago, he said.

"Two explosive ordnance team members were treated for minor exposure to
nerve agent," he said.

http://news.com.au/common/story_page/0,4057,9593577%255E1702,00.html

Sarin not evidence of WMD: Blix
By Matt Moore in Sweden
May 18, 2004

FORMER chief UN weapons inspector Hans Blix said that a shell containing
sarin nerve gas used in an attack in Iraq was most likely a stray weapon
possibly from the first Gulf War.

Mr Blix said today that the discovery of the nerve agent was not a sign that
Saddam Hussein's regime possessed weapons of mass destruction before the war
last year.

The US-led coalition used that claim to justify the invasion even though UN
inspectors failed to make any significant finds before the war.

The former Swedish foreign minister said the 155-mm shell used to attack a
US military convoy Monday could have been part of a group of old, unused
shells that were simply debris leftover from the war in 1991, adding the
weapon could have been scavenged from a dump.

"It doesn't sound absurd at all. There can be debris from the past and
that's a very different thing from having stockpiles and supplies," he said.

Surprise! What they are not saying is that nerve agents, such as Sarin
are unstable and have a relatively short shelf life, especially if they
are exposed to moisture or air. This is why most armies use the 'binary'
shells in which the components for making the Sarin are kept separate
and mixed just before delivery as the shell is flying through the air.
However, these components will eventually degrade themselves, how fast
or how slow depending on the construction of the shell and storage
conditions.
I think that the fact that "Two explosive ordnance team members were
treated for minor exposure to nerve agent," indicates that the shell was
rather old and could be from before the first war. If the Sarin
components were active, those team members would be dead. It could have
well been declared 'obsolete' before the second war and discarded in a
junkyard somewhere.
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
"Men become civilized not in their willingness to believe, but in
proportion to their readiness to doubt." - H. L. Mencken
.

User: "Mike Painter"
Title: Re: Sarin "WMD" Appears MAGICALLY In Iraq In Time For U.S. Elections	18 May 2004 10:12:31 PM

"johac" <jhachm@ixpresremove.com> wrote in message
news:jhachm-E62E99.23532717052004@news-60.giganews.com...
<snip >

<snip>
That makes sense of a comment I heard from some military person on NPR this
morning. He said that firing the shell was part of the delivery mechanism.
If it was a binary then all that would be produced woould probably be a
small amount by chance.
.

User: "Fred Stone"
Title: Re: Sarin "WMD" Appears MAGICALLY In Iraq In Time For U.S. Elections	18 May 2004 06:42:41 AM

johac <jhachm@ixpresremove.com> wrote in
news:jhachm-E62E99.23532717052004@news-60.giganews.com:

In article <40a96098$0$3032$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au>,
"Clayton Can't Find His Left Sock"
<cjfat@BLOCKINGOFTHESPAMphonyemail.com> wrote:

255E401,00.htm

l

Sarin nerve agent released in capital
From correspondents in Baghdad
May 18, 2004

A ROADSIDE bomb containing the nerve agent sarin exploded near an
American military convoy in Baghdad, the US military said today.

It was the first confirmed finding of any of the banned weapons upon
which the United States based its case for the Iraq war.

"The Iraqi Survey Group confirmed today that a 155-mm artillery round
containing sarin nerve agent had been found," said Brigadier-General
Mark Kimmitt, the chief military spokesman in Iraq. "The round had
been rigged as an IED (improvised explosive device), which was
discovered by a US force convoy.

"A detonation occurred before the IED could be rendered inoperable.
This produced a very small dispersal of agent," he said. The incident
occurred two days ago, he said.

"Two explosive ordnance team members were treated for minor exposure
to nerve agent," he said.

http://news.com.au/common/story_page/0,4057,9593577%255E1702,00.html

Sarin not evidence of WMD: Blix
By Matt Moore in Sweden
May 18, 2004

FORMER chief UN weapons inspector Hans Blix said that a shell
containing sarin nerve gas used in an attack in Iraq was most likely
a stray weapon possibly from the first Gulf War.

Mr Blix said today that the discovery of the nerve agent was not a
sign that Saddam Hussein's regime possessed weapons of mass
destruction before the war last year.

The US-led coalition used that claim to justify the invasion even
though UN inspectors failed to make any significant finds before the
war.

The former Swedish foreign minister said the 155-mm shell used to
attack a US military convoy Monday could have been part of a group of
old, unused shells that were simply debris leftover from the war in
1991, adding the weapon could have been scavenged from a dump.

"It doesn't sound absurd at all. There can be debris from the past
and that's a very different thing from having stockpiles and
supplies," he said.

This was a binary shell.

However, these components will eventually degrade themselves,
how fast or how slow depending on the construction of the shell and
storage conditions.

They have a fairly long half-life as long as they're not exposed to air.

I think that the fact that "Two explosive ordnance team members were
treated for minor exposure to nerve agent," indicates that the shell
was rather old and could be from before the first war. If the Sarin
components were active, those team members would be dead. It could
have well been declared 'obsolete' before the second war and discarded
in a junkyard somewhere.

If the components hadn't been reacting in a *fired* shell on the way to
a target, there wouldn't be that much Sarin produced.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
Cthulhu for President! Why vote for a lesser evil?
.

User: "johac"
Title: Re: Sarin "WMD" Appears MAGICALLY In Iraq In Time For U.S. Elections	19 May 2004 12:57:47 AM

In article <Xns94ED4E73A6481fstone69@207.69.154.206>,
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:

johac <jhachm@ixpresremove.com> wrote in
news:jhachm-E62E99.23532717052004@news-60.giganews.com:

In article <40a96098$0$3032$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au>,
"Clayton Can't Find His Left Sock"
<cjfat@BLOCKINGOFTHESPAMphonyemail.com> wrote:

255E401,00.htm

This was a binary shell.

However, these components will eventually degrade themselves,
how fast or how slow depending on the construction of the shell and
storage conditions.

They have a fairly long half-life as long as they're not exposed to air.

If the components hadn't been reacting in a *fired* shell on the way to
a target, there wouldn't be that much Sarin produced.

I think on this one, I'll wait until the shell and its contents are
completely analyzed before making any final judgment.
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
"Men become civilized not in their willingness to believe, but in
proportion to their readiness to doubt." - H. L. Mencken
.

User: "Mark K. Bilbo"
Title: Re: Sarin "WMD" Appears MAGICALLY In Iraq In Time For U.S. Elections	17 May 2004 08:39:00 PM

On Tue, 18 May 2004 11:03:13 +1000 in episode
<40a96098$0$3032$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au> we saw our hero "Clayton
Can't Find His Left Sock" <cjfat@BLOCKINGOFTHESPAMphonyemail.com>:

So let me get this straight. Hundreds of billions of dollars, thousands
and thousands of lives, the virtual destruction of an entire country and a
thousand fold world wide increase in the danger of terrorism is justified
by the sudden appearance of one shoddy 13 year old sarin shell, which for
some reason wasn't found in the last year or so of the entire country
being turned over and over again, but MAGICALLY appears "by the side of
the road" just in time for the U.S. election???

Actually, check this:
http://news.independent.co.uk/world/americas/story.jsp?story=522047
"Donald Rumsfeld, the US Defence Secretary, personally authorised a
loosening of the rules under which military personnel could attempt to
squeeze information from detainees in prisons in Iraq, setting the stage
for the abuse scandal that has now engulfed the White House, according to
The New Yorker magazine."
And just as this started making the rounds, *suddenly* we find Sarin!
Weapons! In! Iraq!
In short, Rummy *did create the program that led to the abuse that
threatens the administration. Expect rabbits to be coming out desperately
out of the hat of Iraq and being tossed with abandon to throw people off
*that trail...
--
Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
"Fascism should more appropriately be called Corporatism,
because it is a merger of State and corporate power."
- Mussolini
.

User: "johac"
Title: Re: Sarin "WMD" Appears MAGICALLY In Iraq In Time For U.S. Elections	18 May 2004 01:37:11 AM

In article <pan.2004.05.18.01.38.58.877044@hoo.com-amikchi>,
"Mark K. Bilbo" <y@hoo.com-amikchi> wrote:

On Tue, 18 May 2004 11:03:13 +1000 in episode
<40a96098$0$3032$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au> we saw our hero "Clayton
Can't Find His Left Sock" <cjfat@BLOCKINGOFTHESPAMphonyemail.com>:

Actually, check this:

http://news.independent.co.uk/world/americas/story.jsp?story=522047

"Donald Rumsfeld, the US Defence Secretary, personally authorised a
loosening of the rules under which military personnel could attempt to
squeeze information from detainees in prisons in Iraq, setting the stage
for the abuse scandal that has now engulfed the White House, according to
The New Yorker magazine."

And just as this started making the rounds, *suddenly* we find Sarin!
Weapons! In! Iraq!

In short, Rummy *did create the program that led to the abuse that
threatens the administration. Expect rabbits to be coming out desperately
out of the hat of Iraq and being tossed with abandon to throw people off
*that trail...

Gee, what a coincidence! If Bush's approval rating goes down another
five points will we find anthrax?
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
"Men become civilized not in their willingness to believe, but in
proportion to their readiness to doubt." - H. L. Mencken
.

User: "Mark K. Bilbo"
Title: Re: Sarin "WMD" Appears MAGICALLY In Iraq In Time For U.S. Elections	18 May 2004 08:09:31 AM

On Mon, 17 May 2004 23:37:11 -0700 in episode
<jhachm-BC2CDF.23371117052004@news-60.giganews.com> we saw our hero johac
<jhachm@ixpresremove.com>:

In article <pan.2004.05.18.01.38.58.877044@hoo.com-amikchi>,
"Mark K. Bilbo" <y@hoo.com-amikchi> wrote:

On Tue, 18 May 2004 11:03:13 +1000 in episode
<40a96098$0$3032$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au> we saw our hero "Clayton
Can't Find His Left Sock" <cjfat@BLOCKINGOFTHESPAMphonyemail.com>:

So let me get this straight. Hundreds of billions of dollars,
thousands and thousands of lives, the virtual destruction of an entire
country and a thousand fold world wide increase in the danger of
terrorism is justified by the sudden appearance of one shoddy 13 year
old sarin shell, which for some reason wasn't found in the last year
or so of the entire country being turned over and over again, but
MAGICALLY appears "by the side of the road" just in time for the U.S.
election???

Actually, check this:

http://news.independent.co.uk/world/americas/story.jsp?story=522047

"Donald Rumsfeld, the US Defence Secretary, personally authorised a
loosening of the rules under which military personnel could attempt to
squeeze information from detainees in prisons in Iraq, setting the stage
for the abuse scandal that has now engulfed the White House, according
to The New Yorker magazine."

And just as this started making the rounds, *suddenly* we find Sarin!
Weapons! In! Iraq!

In short, Rummy *did create the program that led to the abuse that
threatens the administration. Expect rabbits to be coming out
desperately out of the hat of Iraq and being tossed with abandon to
throw people off *that trail...

Gee, what a coincidence! If Bush's approval rating goes down another five
points will we find anthrax?

I hear Rove is desperately trying to find bin Laden so he can drag him to
the convention...
--
Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
"Fascism should more appropriately be called Corporatism,
because it is a merger of State and corporate power."
- Mussolini
.

User: "Fred Stone"
Title: Re: Sarin "WMD" Appears MAGICALLY In Iraq In Time For U.S. Elections	18 May 2004 08:26:06 AM

"Mark K. Bilbo" <y@hoo.com-amikchi> wrote in
news:pan.2004.05.18.13.09.31.61179@hoo.com-amikchi:

On Mon, 17 May 2004 23:37:11 -0700 in episode
<jhachm-BC2CDF.23371117052004@news-60.giganews.com> we saw our hero
johac <jhachm@ixpresremove.com>:

In article <pan.2004.05.18.01.38.58.877044@hoo.com-amikchi>,
"Mark K. Bilbo" <y@hoo.com-amikchi> wrote:

On Tue, 18 May 2004 11:03:13 +1000 in episode
<40a96098$0$3032$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au> we saw our hero
"Clayton Can't Find His Left Sock"
<cjfat@BLOCKINGOFTHESPAMphonyemail.com>:

So let me get this straight. Hundreds of billions of dollars,
thousands and thousands of lives, the virtual destruction of an
entire country and a thousand fold world wide increase in the
danger of terrorism is justified by the sudden appearance of one
shoddy 13 year old sarin shell, which for some reason wasn't found
in the last year or so of the entire country being turned over and
over again, but MAGICALLY appears "by the side of the road" just
in time for the U.S. election???

Actually, check this:

http://news.independent.co.uk/world/americas/story.jsp?story=522047

"Donald Rumsfeld, the US Defence Secretary, personally authorised a
loosening of the rules under which military personnel could attempt
to squeeze information from detainees in prisons in Iraq, setting
the stage for the abuse scandal that has now engulfed the White
House, according to The New Yorker magazine."

And just as this started making the rounds, *suddenly* we find
Sarin! Weapons! In! Iraq!

In short, Rummy *did create the program that led to the abuse that
threatens the administration. Expect rabbits to be coming out
desperately out of the hat of Iraq and being tossed with abandon to
throw people off *that trail...

Gee, what a coincidence! If Bush's approval rating goes down another
five points will we find anthrax?

I hear Rove is desperately trying to find bin Laden so he can drag him
to the convention...

Figure they'll thaw him out by September? October wouldn't give the
Democrats enough time to embarrass themselves making excuses.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
Cthulhu for President! Why vote for a lesser evil?
.

User: "JTEM"
Title: Re: Sarin "WMD" Appears MAGICALLY In Iraq In Time For U.S. Elections	18 May 2004 03:34:08 PM

"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote

"Mark K. Bilbo" <y@hoo.com-amikchi> wrote

I hear Rove is desperately trying to find bin Laden so he
can drag him to the convention...

Figure they'll thaw him out by September? October wouldn't
give the Democrats enough time to embarrass themselves
making excuses.

Why would the Democrats need an excuse? If they had been in
charge, we would have been hunting for Bin Laden all this time
now, instead using Afghanistan as a cover for operations in Iraq.
.

User: "Mark K. Bilbo"
Title: Re: Sarin "WMD" Appears MAGICALLY In Iraq In Time For U.S. Elections	18 May 2004 06:26:45 PM

On Tue, 18 May 2004 16:34:08 -0400 in episode
<9eKdne2guaG57zfdRVn-hA@comcast.com> we saw our hero "JTEM"
<gymraven@hotmail.com>:

"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote

"Mark K. Bilbo" <y@hoo.com-amikchi> wrote

I hear Rove is desperately trying to find bin Laden so he can drag him
to the convention...

Figure they'll thaw him out by September? October wouldn't give the
Democrats enough time to embarrass themselves making excuses.

Why would the Democrats need an excuse? If they had been in charge, we
would have been hunting for Bin Laden all this time now, instead using
Afghanistan as a cover for operations in Iraq.

What a *weird idea. Go after the guy that actually was responsible for the
attack on the US instead of invading a country that never did anything to
us...
--
Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
Finally, we're reaching true equality in our schools.
NOBODY is getting an education...
.

User: "johac"
Title: Re: Sarin "WMD" Appears MAGICALLY In Iraq In Time For U.S. Elections	19 May 2004 12:55:09 AM

In article <pan.2004.05.18.13.09.31.61179@hoo.com-amikchi>,
"Mark K. Bilbo" <y@hoo.com-amikchi> wrote:

On Mon, 17 May 2004 23:37:11 -0700 in episode
<jhachm-BC2CDF.23371117052004@news-60.giganews.com> we saw our hero johac
<jhachm@ixpresremove.com>:

In article <pan.2004.05.18.01.38.58.877044@hoo.com-amikchi>,
"Mark K. Bilbo" <y@hoo.com-amikchi> wrote:

On Tue, 18 May 2004 11:03:13 +1000 in episode
<40a96098$0$3032$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au> we saw our hero "Clayton
Can't Find His Left Sock" <cjfat@BLOCKINGOFTHESPAMphonyemail.com>:

So let me get this straight. Hundreds of billions of dollars,
thousands and thousands of lives, the virtual destruction of an entire
country and a thousand fold world wide increase in the danger of
terrorism is justified by the sudden appearance of one shoddy 13 year
old sarin shell, which for some reason wasn't found in the last year
or so of the entire country being turned over and over again, but
MAGICALLY appears "by the side of the road" just in time for the U.S.
election???

Actually, check this:

http://news.independent.co.uk/world/americas/story.jsp?story=522047

"Donald Rumsfeld, the US Defence Secretary, personally authorised a
loosening of the rules under which military personnel could attempt to
squeeze information from detainees in prisons in Iraq, setting the stage
for the abuse scandal that has now engulfed the White House, according
to The New Yorker magazine."

And just as this started making the rounds, *suddenly* we find Sarin!
Weapons! In! Iraq!

In short, Rummy *did create the program that led to the abuse that
threatens the administration. Expect rabbits to be coming out
desperately out of the hat of Iraq and being tossed with abandon to
throw people off *that trail...

Gee, what a coincidence! If Bush's approval rating goes down another five
points will we find anthrax?

I hear Rove is desperately trying to find bin Laden so he can drag him to
the convention...

I'm still convinced that bin Laden is still being held prisoner in a
small cell in the basement of the Pentagon and by some strange
coincidence will arrange to be 'captured' just at the most opportune
moment.
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
"Men become civilized not in their willingness to believe, but in
proportion to their readiness to doubt." - H. L. Mencken
.

User: "Mark K. Bilbo"
Title: Re: Sarin "WMD" Appears MAGICALLY In Iraq In Time For U.S. Elections	19 May 2004 08:43:09 AM

On Tue, 18 May 2004 22:55:09 -0700 in episode
<jhachm-89E6EE.22550918052004@news-60.giganews.com> we saw our hero johac
<jhachm@ixpresremove.com>:

In article <pan.2004.05.18.13.09.31.61179@hoo.com-amikchi>,
"Mark K. Bilbo" <y@hoo.com-amikchi> wrote:

On Mon, 17 May 2004 23:37:11 -0700 in episode
<jhachm-BC2CDF.23371117052004@news-60.giganews.com> we saw our hero
johac <jhachm@ixpresremove.com>:

In article <pan.2004.05.18.01.38.58.877044@hoo.com-amikchi>,
"Mark K. Bilbo" <y@hoo.com-amikchi> wrote:

On Tue, 18 May 2004 11:03:13 +1000 in episode
<40a96098$0$3032$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au> we saw our hero
"Clayton Can't Find His Left Sock"
<cjfat@BLOCKINGOFTHESPAMphonyemail.com>:

So let me get this straight. Hundreds of billions of dollars,
thousands and thousands of lives, the virtual destruction of an
entire country and a thousand fold world wide increase in the
danger of terrorism is justified by the sudden appearance of one
shoddy 13 year old sarin shell, which for some reason wasn't found
in the last year or so of the entire country being turned over and
over again, but MAGICALLY appears "by the side of the road" just in
time for the U.S. election???

Actually, check this:

http://news.independent.co.uk/world/americas/story.jsp?story=522047

"Donald Rumsfeld, the US Defence Secretary, personally authorised a
loosening of the rules under which military personnel could attempt
to squeeze information from detainees in prisons in Iraq, setting the
stage for the abuse scandal that has now engulfed the White House,
according to The New Yorker magazine."

And just as this started making the rounds, *suddenly* we find Sarin!
Weapons! In! Iraq!

In short, Rummy *did create the program that led to the abuse that
threatens the administration. Expect rabbits to be coming out
desperately out of the hat of Iraq and being tossed with abandon to
throw people off *that trail...

Gee, what a coincidence! If Bush's approval rating goes down another
five points will we find anthrax?

I hear Rove is desperately trying to find bin Laden so he can drag him
to the convention...

I'm not convinced this administration competent enough to pull off a
conspiracy...
--
Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
Finally, we're reaching true equality in our schools.
NOBODY is getting an education...
.

User: "johac"
Title: Re: Sarin "WMD" Appears MAGICALLY In Iraq In Time For U.S. Elections	20 May 2004 12:11:26 AM

In article <pan.2004.05.19.13.43.09.108544@hoo.com-amikchi>,
"Mark K. Bilbo" <y@hoo.com-amikchi> wrote: