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"Stranger" |
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27 Jan 2004 01:43:39 PM |
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satan? |
Hello there,
I was thinking the other day about religiouns and there fears and came to
the idea that vikings may have been the fear of jewish people in the past
i.e. the devil/satan.
Ofcourse i do not know that much about history as most people here so i was
wondering where there vikings around (may it be just in skandinavia) at the
time these strong religiouns came to be in the middle east?
Ive illustrated a image here so you can see what crossed my mind.
http://www.xs4all.nl/~ez/viking-jew-satan.gif
If someone here has any more info on the idea by all means please respond in
the news group.
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| User: "Brian Westley" |
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27 Jan 2004 02:01:29 PM |
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"Stranger" <spinner@xs4all.nl> writes:
Hello there,
I was thinking the other day about religiouns and there fears and came to
the idea that vikings may have been the fear of jewish people in the past
i.e. the devil/satan.
Ofcourse i do not know that much about history as most people here so i was
wondering where there vikings around (may it be just in skandinavia) at the
time these strong religiouns came to be in the middle east?
Ive illustrated a image here so you can see what crossed my mind.
http://www.xs4all.nl/~ez/viking-jew-satan.gif
If someone here has any more info on the idea by all means please respond in
the news group.
Viking helmets didn't have horns.
---
Merlyn LeRoy
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| User: "Geoff" |
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| Title: Re: satan? |
27 Jan 2004 04:50:21 PM |
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"Brian Westley" <westley@visi.com> wrote in message
news:4016c376$0$41287$a1866201@newsreader.visi.com...
"Stranger" <spinner@xs4all.nl> writes:
Hello there,
I was thinking the other day about religiouns and there fears and came to
the idea that vikings may have been the fear of jewish people in the past
i.e. the devil/satan.
Ofcourse i do not know that much about history as most people here so i
was
wondering where there vikings around (may it be just in skandinavia) at
the
time these strong religiouns came to be in the middle east?
Ive illustrated a image here so you can see what crossed my mind.
http://www.xs4all.nl/~ez/viking-jew-satan.gif
If someone here has any more info on the idea by all means please respond
in
the news group.
They do in Minnesota.
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| User: "Pithecanthropus Erectus" |
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27 Jan 2004 07:01:04 PM |
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Geoff wrote:
"Brian Westley" <westley@visi.com> wrote in message
news:4016c376$0$41287$a1866201@newsreader.visi.com...
"Stranger" <spinner@xs4all.nl> writes:
Hello there,
I was thinking the other day about religiouns and there fears and came to
the idea that vikings may have been the fear of jewish people in the past
i.e. the devil/satan.
Ofcourse i do not know that much about history as most people here so i
was
wondering where there vikings around (may it be just in skandinavia) at
the
time these strong religiouns came to be in the middle east?
Ive illustrated a image here so you can see what crossed my mind.
http://www.xs4all.nl/~ez/viking-jew-satan.gif
If someone here has any more info on the idea by all means please respond
in
the news group.
They do in Minnesota.
Yes, well this year the horns ended up pointing downward.
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I am against religion because it teaches us to be satisfied with not
understanding the world.
Richard Dawkins
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| User: "Klivo" |
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| Title: Re: satan? |
27 Jan 2004 06:22:15 PM |
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"Stranger" <spinner@xs4all.nl> wrote in message news:<4016bf4e$0$320$e4fe514c@news.xs4all.nl>...
Hello there,
I was thinking the other day about religiouns and there fears and came to
the idea that vikings may have been the fear of jewish people in the past
i.e. the devil/satan.
Ofcourse i do not know that much about history as most people here so i was
wondering where there vikings around (may it be just in skandinavia) at the
time these strong religiouns came to be in the middle east?
Ive illustrated a image here so you can see what crossed my mind.
http://www.xs4all.nl/~ez/viking-jew-satan.gif
If someone here has any more info on the idea by all means please respond in
the news group.
Most of the Jewish Bible was written between 900 and 400 BC. The Viking
period was from 750 to 1060 AD.
Also, Viking helmets did not have horns.
Cleve
http://www.bluetail.com/~rv/viking-helmets/
http://www.hurstwic.org/history/articles/manufacturing/text/arms.htm
http://www.sverigeturism.se/smorgasbord/smorgasbord/society/history/vikings.html
http://ask.yahoo.com/ask/20030227.html
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| User: "Stranger" |
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27 Jan 2004 08:13:25 PM |
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Thanks for clearing that up for me guys.
"Klivo" <indriko@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:f25544d.0401271618.1ff451fd@posting.google.com...
"Stranger" <spinner@xs4all.nl> wrote in message
news:<4016bf4e$0$320$e4fe514c@news.xs4all.nl>...
Hello there,
I was thinking the other day about religiouns and there fears and came
to
the idea that vikings may have been the fear of jewish people in the
past
i.e. the devil/satan.
Ofcourse i do not know that much about history as most people here so i
was
wondering where there vikings around (may it be just in skandinavia) at
the
time these strong religiouns came to be in the middle east?
Ive illustrated a image here so you can see what crossed my mind.
http://www.xs4all.nl/~ez/viking-jew-satan.gif
If someone here has any more info on the idea by all means please
respond in
the news group.
Most of the Jewish Bible was written between 900 and 400 BC. The Viking
period was from 750 to 1060 AD.
Also, Viking helmets did not have horns.
Cleve
http://www.bluetail.com/~rv/viking-helmets/
http://www.hurstwic.org/history/articles/manufacturing/text/arms.htm
http://www.sverigeturism.se/smorgasbord/smorgasbord/society/history/vikings.
html
http://ask.yahoo.com/ask/20030227.html
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| User: "Roger Andrews" |
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27 Jan 2004 05:37:08 PM |
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"Stranger" <spinner@xs4all.nl> wrote in message news:<4016bf4e$0$320$e4fe514c@news.xs4all.nl>...
Hello there,
I was thinking the other day about religiouns and there fears and came to
the idea that vikings may have been the fear of jewish people in the past
i.e. the devil/satan.
Ofcourse i do not know that much about history as most people here so i was
wondering where there vikings around (may it be just in skandinavia) at the
time these strong religiouns came to be in the middle east?
Ive illustrated a image here so you can see what crossed my mind.
http://www.xs4all.nl/~ez/viking-jew-satan.gif
If someone here has any more info on the idea by all means please respond in
the news group.
The "typical" Viking helmets were a myth. They never wore helmets with horns.
Roger
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| User: "Stranger" |
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27 Jan 2004 06:14:28 PM |
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"Roger Andrews" <crazybeast@my-deja.com> wrote in message
news:cda5d73a.0401271536.6b2a4f6c@posting.google.com...
"Stranger" <spinner@xs4all.nl> wrote in message
news:<4016bf4e$0$320$e4fe514c@news.xs4all.nl>...
Hello there,
I was thinking the other day about religiouns and there fears and came
to
the idea that vikings may have been the fear of jewish people in the
past
i.e. the devil/satan.
Ofcourse i do not know that much about history as most people here so i
was
wondering where there vikings around (may it be just in skandinavia) at
the
time these strong religiouns came to be in the middle east?
Ive illustrated a image here so you can see what crossed my mind.
http://www.xs4all.nl/~ez/viking-jew-satan.gif
If someone here has any more info on the idea by all means please
respond in
the news group.
The "typical" Viking helmets were a myth. They never wore helmets with
horns.
Could it have been helmets with feathers on them then?
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| User: "Jos Flachs" |
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| Title: Re: satan? |
28 Jan 2004 03:58:22 AM |
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On Wed, 28 Jan 2004 00:14:28 +0000 (UTC), "Stranger"
<spinner@xs4all.nl> wrote:
http://www.xs4all.nl/~ez/viking-jew-satan.gif
If someone here has any more info on the idea by all means please
respond in
the news group.
The "typical" Viking helmets were a myth. They never wore helmets with
horns.
Could it have been helmets with feathers on them then?
Is dat fraais van jouw? Realiseer jij je dat je daar een gevangenis
straf van een dikke zes maanden voor kunt krijgen?
Met een beetje mazzel en een straffe rechter mag je zeker een kaarsje
op je taart daar uit blazen.
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| User: "Jos Flachs" |
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28 Jan 2004 03:58:16 AM |
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On Wed, 28 Jan 2004 00:14:28 +0000 (UTC), "Stranger"
<spinner@xs4all.nl> wrote:
http://www.xs4all.nl/~ez/viking-jew-satan.gif
If someone here has any more info on the idea by all means please
respond in
the news group.
The "typical" Viking helmets were a myth. They never wore helmets with
horns.
Could it have been helmets with feathers on them then?
Sorry, die is gereserveerd door Asterix.
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| User: "Tom McDonald" |
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27 Jan 2004 07:00:15 PM |
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Stranger wrote:
"Roger Andrews" <crazybeast@my-deja.com> wrote in message
news:cda5d73a.0401271536.6b2a4f6c@posting.google.com...
"Stranger" <spinner@xs4all.nl> wrote in message
news:<4016bf4e$0$320$e4fe514c@news.xs4all.nl>...
Hello there,
I was thinking the other day about religiouns and there fears and came
to
the idea that vikings may have been the fear of jewish people in the
past
i.e. the devil/satan.
Ofcourse i do not know that much about history as most people here so i
was
wondering where there vikings around (may it be just in skandinavia) at
the
time these strong religiouns came to be in the middle east?
Ive illustrated a image here so you can see what crossed my mind.
http://www.xs4all.nl/~ez/viking-jew-satan.gif
If someone here has any more info on the idea by all means please
respond in
the news group.
The "typical" Viking helmets were a myth. They never wore helmets with
horns.
Could it have been helmets with feathers on them then?
Strange one,
The image of Satan that you linked to is from the Christian
period, and is a Christian imagining of Satan using various pagan
gods' parts (primarily Pan). It isn't Jewish in the slightest.
Tom McDonald
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| User: "R.Schenck" |
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28 Jan 2004 10:08:43 AM |
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"Stranger" <spinner@xs4all.nl> wrote in message news:<4016bf4e$0$320$e4fe514c@news.xs4all.nl>...
Hello there,
I was thinking the other day about religiouns and there fears and came to
the idea that vikings may have been the fear of jewish people in the past
i.e. the devil/satan.
Ofcourse i do not know that much about history as most people here so i was
wondering where there vikings around (may it be just in skandinavia) at the
time these strong religiouns came to be in the middle east?
Ive illustrated a image here so you can see what crossed my mind.
http://www.xs4all.nl/~ez/viking-jew-satan.gif
If someone here has any more info on the idea by all means please respond in
the news group.
i especially liked the snow boots.
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| User: "Thore Schmechtig" |
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27 Jan 2004 10:33:22 PM |
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Hey,
I was thinking the other day about religiouns and there fears and came to
the idea that vikings may have been the fear of jewish people in the past
i.e. the devil/satan.
Ive illustrated a image here so you can see what crossed my mind.
http://www.xs4all.nl/~ez/viking-jew-satan.gif
1. As far as I know, yes, Vikings may well have lived in the north in
the time the Jews copied and twisted Akhenaton's cult.
2. Vikings NEVER had horns on their helmets. Celts, sometimes yes.
Vikings, never. The horns are an infamous hollywood clichee.
3. If skin tone matters, I suggest you better draw parallels with
American Indians... but then, of course, it's not that likely that they
ever met Jews. :)
Nice picture, though!
--
"From the fury of the Northmen, o Lord, deliver us!"
(Desperate prayer of Irish monks when the Viking dragon ships were sighted. Obviously the Lord had more important things to do than to help his faithful...)
Greetings from Thore "Tocis" Schmechtig
Emails to commoner AT carcosa DOT de will need a "HI-AK 523" in the subject or go down the drain!
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| User: "AngryJohn" |
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28 Jan 2004 05:58:31 PM |
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I'm listening........
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aa#2106
Remove Belief to reply
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| User: "Thomas P." |
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28 Jan 2004 03:32:06 AM |
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On Tue, 27 Jan 2004 19:43:39 +0000 (UTC), "Stranger"
<spinner@xs4all.nl> wrote:
Hello there,
I was thinking the other day about religiouns and there fears and came to
the idea that vikings may have been the fear of jewish people in the past
i.e. the devil/satan.
Ofcourse i do not know that much about history as most people here so i was
wondering where there vikings around (may it be just in skandinavia) at the
time these strong religiouns came to be in the middle east?
Ive illustrated a image here so you can see what crossed my mind.
http://www.xs4all.nl/~ez/viking-jew-satan.gif
If someone here has any more info on the idea by all means please respond in
the news group.
The Vikings did not exist until long after the birth of Christ, and,
of course, their helemts did not have horns. People of an earlier
period in Scandinavia had such helmets, examples of which have been
found in their graves.
Thomas P.
None of the Emperor's clothes had been so successful before.
"But he has got nothing on," said a little child.
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| User: "Jason Spaceman" |
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28 Jan 2004 01:36:31 AM |
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Satan? He plays for the Buffalo Sabres -->
http://www.nhl.com/lineups/player/8459534.html
J. Spaceman
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| User: "Lord Calvert" |
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28 Jan 2004 12:20:22 PM |
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Satan? He plays for the Buffalo Sabres -->
http://www.nhl.com/lineups/player/8459534.html
And it sure would be nice if he started scoring again!
Rich Goranson, Amherst, NY, USA (aa#MCMXCIX, a-vet#1)
Disgruntled Buffalo Sabres Fan
"No Goal!"
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| User: "Tink" |
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27 Jan 2004 05:33:39 PM |
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Stranger wrote:
Hello there,
I was thinking the other day about religiouns and there fears and came to
the idea that vikings may have been the fear of jewish people in the past
i.e. the devil/satan.
Ofcourse i do not know that much about history as most people here so i was
wondering where there vikings around (may it be just in skandinavia) at the
time these strong religiouns came to be in the middle east?
Ive illustrated a image here so you can see what crossed my mind.
http://www.xs4all.nl/~ez/viking-jew-satan.gif
If someone here has any more info on the idea by all means please respond in
the news group.
In order to make a case for that, you have to show where and when the
ancient Jews would have encountered the ancient Vikings.
--
It seems odd that those who scoff at sun worshippers are apt to worship
a vacuum.
The World Famous Tink. (I never heard of you either!!)
AA #2069 ASA#33 POPS# 8808
EAC Chairman, Division of Skydiving and Sushi consumption.
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| User: "Stranger" |
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27 Jan 2004 06:13:34 PM |
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"Tink" <kjgrish@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:RsWdnSlQZN6paIvdRVn-hQ@comcast.com...
Stranger wrote:
Hello there,
I was thinking the other day about religiouns and there fears and came
to
the idea that vikings may have been the fear of jewish people in the
past
i.e. the devil/satan.
Ofcourse i do not know that much about history as most people here so i
was
wondering where there vikings around (may it be just in skandinavia) at
the
time these strong religiouns came to be in the middle east?
Ive illustrated a image here so you can see what crossed my mind.
http://www.xs4all.nl/~ez/viking-jew-satan.gif
If someone here has any more info on the idea by all means please
respond in
the news group.
In order to make a case for that, you have to show where and when the
ancient Jews would have encountered the ancient Vikings.
Well i was merely asking about the time line.
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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27 Jan 2004 11:33:56 PM |
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On Wed, 28 Jan 2004 00:13:34 +0000 (UTC), "Stranger"
<spinner@xs4all.nl> posted in alt.atheism:
In order to make a case for that, you have to show where and when the
ancient Jews would have encountered the ancient Vikings.
Well i was merely asking about the time line.
Vikings: around 1,000 AD.
Ancient Jews: around 3,500 BC.
They missed each other by about 2,500 years.
--
"Damn. Looks like all of usenet agrees that you don't have the logical
faculties to prove the statement 'dogshit is not peanut butter' if we
gave you a jar of each and a box of crackers" - John Hattan to Tichy
(random sig, produced by SigChanger)
rukbat at optonline dot net
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| User: "Severian" |
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27 Jan 2004 11:35:30 PM |
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On Wed, 28 Jan 2004 00:13:34 +0000 (UTC), "Stranger"
<spinner@xs4all.nl> wrote:
"Tink" <kjgrish@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:RsWdnSlQZN6paIvdRVn-hQ@comcast.com...
Stranger wrote:
Hello there,
I was thinking the other day about religiouns and there fears and came
to
the idea that vikings may have been the fear of jewish people in the
past
i.e. the devil/satan.
Ofcourse i do not know that much about history as most people here so i
was
wondering where there vikings around (may it be just in skandinavia) at
the
time these strong religiouns came to be in the middle east?
Ive illustrated a image here so you can see what crossed my mind.
http://www.xs4all.nl/~ez/viking-jew-satan.gif
If someone here has any more info on the idea by all means please
respond in
the news group.
In order to make a case for that, you have to show where and when the
ancient Jews would have encountered the ancient Vikings.
Well i was merely asking about the time line.
RR? Is that you? If so, welcome back Rupert Bear -- you take a lickin'
and keep on tickin'.
If not, well, you'll do.
- Sev
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| User: "Jos Flachs" |
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28 Jan 2004 03:58:17 AM |
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On Tue, 27 Jan 2004 23:33:39 +0000 (UTC), Tink <kjgrish@comcast.net>
wrote:
Stranger wrote:
Hello there,
I was thinking the other day about religiouns and there fears and came to
the idea that vikings may have been the fear of jewish people in the past
i.e. the devil/satan.
Ofcourse i do not know that much about history as most people here so i was
wondering where there vikings around (may it be just in skandinavia) at the
time these strong religiouns came to be in the middle east?
Ive illustrated a image here so you can see what crossed my mind.
http://www.xs4all.nl/~ez/viking-jew-satan.gif
If someone here has any more info on the idea by all means please respond in
the news group.
In order to make a case for that, you have to show where and when the
ancient Jews would have encountered the ancient Vikings.
Vangarian Guard, in Constantinople?
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| User: "Frank F. Smith" |
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28 Jan 2004 08:07:04 AM |
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On Wed, 28 Jan 2004 09:58:17 +0000 (UTC), Jos Flachs
<'wcruise'@ksc15.th.com> wrote:
On Tue, 27 Jan 2004 23:33:39 +0000 (UTC), Tink <kjgrish@comcast.net>
wrote:
Stranger wrote:
Hello there,
I was thinking the other day about religiouns and there fears and came to
the idea that vikings may have been the fear of jewish people in the past
i.e. the devil/satan.
Ofcourse i do not know that much about history as most people here so i was
wondering where there vikings around (may it be just in skandinavia) at the
time these strong religiouns came to be in the middle east?
Ive illustrated a image here so you can see what crossed my mind.
http://www.xs4all.nl/~ez/viking-jew-satan.gif
If someone here has any more info on the idea by all means please respond in
the news group.
Others have already pointed out several reasons why this is _quite_ a
stretch.
In order to make a case for that, you have to show where and when the
ancient Jews would have encountered the ancient Vikings.
Vangarian Guard, in Constantinople?
For sufficiently small values of "ancient", in the case of the Jews.
Varangian Guard established by Emperor Basil II in 988, with 6000
Russian Viking warriors sent by Varangian Tsar Vladimir of Russia.
(http://users.bigpond.net.au/quarfwa/miklagard/period/guard.htm)
Since there were apparently Jews already living in Kiev, with records
of an audience with Vladimir
(http://www.khazaria.com/khazar-diaspora.html includes a citation to
"The Russian Chronicle, describing a visit of Khazar missionaries to
Kiev in the year 986"), there seems little question that by the 10th c
CE Jews and Vikings had met. For that matter, it's *possible* --
though perhaps unlikely -- that some of the Varangian guard *were*
Jews.
--
Frank F. Smith
email: first and middle initials & surname at htva dot net
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