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"Jimmy B." |
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14 May 2006 01:59:16 PM |
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Saying grace at a restaurant - what would you do? |
Both my girlfriend an I are atheists. She has 2 children who live in
another state. She went to visit them this weekend and called to tell me a
strange experience she had at dinner.
Her daughter and she was at Benihana's for dinner. Now, for those of you
who don't know what Benihana is, it is a chain restaurant that specializes
in Japanese food. They have tables that 6 or 8 people sit around 3 sides of
it and has a grill in the middle and a cook prepares the food at you table.
It is sort of a show watching them de-vein shrimp and cook the other food.
Anyway, because there was only 2 of them, they were sat at a table with
another family. After the first dish was prepared, my girlfriend put a bite
in her mouth. Just as she did that, the man next to her turned to her and
asked her to join hands with them and say grace. She looked at her daughter
and who simply shrugged and smiled. So, not wanting to cause a scene, she
swallowed what she had in her mouth and joined hands with the family.
Afterward, she called me told me about the situation and asked me what I
would have done in the same situation. (I am much more of a in-your-face
atheist than she is.) I have to admit that I've never been in that
situation before and I've never thought about it, but my first reaction was
to say something to the man about that being a family thing and that I
didn't want to take away from it. If he insisted, I would simply say I
wasn't Christian and shouldn't participate.
So, I'm curious, have any of you been in that situation before? What did
you (or would you) do in that case?
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| User: "Woden" |
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| Title: Re: Saying grace at a restaurant - what would you do? |
14 May 2006 03:21:54 PM |
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"Jimmy B." <jimpppe@nospamyahoo.com> wrote in
news:44677de6$0$3692$470ef3ce@news.pa.net:
Both my girlfriend an I are atheists. She has 2 children who live in
another state. She went to visit them this weekend and called to tell
me a strange experience she had at dinner.
Her daughter and she was at Benihana's for dinner. Now, for those of
you who don't know what Benihana is, it is a chain restaurant that
specializes in Japanese food. They have tables that 6 or 8 people sit
around 3 sides of it and has a grill in the middle and a cook prepares
the food at you table. It is sort of a show watching them de-vein
shrimp and cook the other food.
Anyway, because there was only 2 of them, they were sat at a table
with another family. After the first dish was prepared, my girlfriend
put a bite in her mouth. Just as she did that, the man next to her
turned to her and asked her to join hands with them and say grace.
She looked at her daughter and who simply shrugged and smiled. So,
not wanting to cause a scene, she swallowed what she had in her mouth
and joined hands with the family.
Afterward, she called me told me about the situation and asked me
what I would have done in the same situation. (I am much more of a
in-your-face atheist than she is.) I have to admit that I've never
been in that situation before and I've never thought about it, but my
first reaction was to say something to the man about that being a
family thing and that I didn't want to take away from it. If he
insisted, I would simply say I wasn't Christian and shouldn't
participate.
So, I'm curious, have any of you been in that situation before? What
did you (or would you) do in that case?
I would have politely declined. If they insisted, it could get messy...
--
Woden
"religion is a socio-political system for controlling people's thoughts,
lives and actions based on ancient myths and superstitions, perpetrated
through generations of subtle yet pervasive brainwashing."
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| User: "duke" |
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14 May 2006 03:56:12 PM |
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On Sun, 14 May 2006 20:21:54 GMT, Woden <woden@charter.net> wrote:
I would have politely declined. If they insisted, it could get messy...
How can they "insist"? I would just say "and for the atheists seated with us, I
ask God to be fair to them".
duke, American-American
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
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| User: "Dale" |
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| Title: Re: Saying grace at a restaurant - what would you do? |
15 May 2006 01:38:04 AM |
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"duke" <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message
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On Sun, 14 May 2006 20:21:54 GMT, Woden <woden@charter.net> wrote:
I would have politely declined. If they insisted, it could get messy...
How can they "insist"? I would just say "and for the atheists seated with
us, I
ask God to be fair to them".
At that point I would ask to be seated next to a less hateful party.
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| User: "Nosterill" |
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15 May 2006 03:23:03 AM |
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Woden wrote:
I would have politely declined. If they insisted, it could get messy...
Food fight!! :-)
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| User: "Dale" |
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15 May 2006 01:54:35 AM |
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"Jimmy B." <jimpppe@nospamyahoo.com> wrote in message
news:44677de6$0$3692$470ef3ce@news.pa.net...
[...]
Anyway, because there was only 2 of them, they were sat at a table with
another family. After the first dish was prepared, my girlfriend put a
bite
in her mouth. Just as she did that, the man next to her turned to her and
asked her to join hands with them and say grace.
[...]
So, I'm curious, have any of you been in that situation before? What did
you (or would you) do in that case?
I might say kindly and sincerely "No, but thank you for offering to include
me in your ritual." Chances are that the man simply assumed that your
girlfriend was like 85% of Americans, and would have loved for her and her
daughter to have been included as honorary members of their familial group.
But more often than not, I would just join in, because it isn't about
coercing me, it's about comforting them. I don't even have a problem with
saying "Amen", because my affirmation of their words is according to my own
interpretation of them, which may or may not be what they think it is.
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| User: "Mike Painter" |
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| Title: Re: Saying grace at a restaurant - what would you do? |
15 May 2006 05:56:37 PM |
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Dale wrote:
"Jimmy B." <jimpppe@nospamyahoo.com> wrote in message
news:44677de6$0$3692$470ef3ce@news.pa.net...
[...]
Anyway, because there was only 2 of them, they were sat at a table
with another family. After the first dish was prepared, my
girlfriend put a bite in her mouth. Just as she did that, the man
next to her turned to her and asked her to join hands with them and
say grace.
[...]
So, I'm curious, have any of you been in that situation before?
What did you (or would you) do in that case?
I might say kindly and sincerely "No, but thank you for offering to
include me in your ritual." Chances are that the man simply assumed
that your girlfriend was like 85% of Americans, and would have loved
for her and her daughter to have been included as honorary members of
their familial group.
I'm not sure what that 85% means but certainly around here it is very rare
to see anyone say Grace in a resturant.
More than 72% do not identify with any religion.
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| User: "Michael Gray" |
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16 May 2006 04:02:14 AM |
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On Mon, 15 May 2006 22:56:37 GMT, "Mike Painter"
<mddotpainter@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
- Refer: <FG7ag.17177$Lm5.11928@newssvr12.news.prodigy.com>
Dale wrote:
"Jimmy B." <jimpppe@nospamyahoo.com> wrote in message
news:44677de6$0$3692$470ef3ce@news.pa.net...
[...]
Anyway, because there was only 2 of them, they were sat at a table
with another family. After the first dish was prepared, my
girlfriend put a bite in her mouth. Just as she did that, the man
next to her turned to her and asked her to join hands with them and
say grace.
[...]
So, I'm curious, have any of you been in that situation before?
What did you (or would you) do in that case?
I might say kindly and sincerely "No, but thank you for offering to
include me in your ritual." Chances are that the man simply assumed
that your girlfriend was like 85% of Americans, and would have loved
for her and her daughter to have been included as honorary members of
their familial group.
I'm not sure what that 85% means but certainly around here it is very rare
to see anyone say Grace in a resturant.
More than 72% do not identify with any religion.
I find it interesting that western society is so thoroughly
god-delusion-soaked that we all know instantly what is meant by
"saying grace".
--
Michael Gray.
Founding Member and Doorman,
Earthquack's 666 Club.
EAC Trainee Inquisitor of the month (2nd runner up: April)
Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups.
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| User: "stoney" |
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17 May 2006 01:40:21 PM |
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On Tue, 16 May 2006 18:32:14 +0930, Michael Gray
<fleetg@newsguy.spam.com> wrote in alt.atheism
On Mon, 15 May 2006 22:56:37 GMT, "Mike Painter"
<mddotpainter@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
- Refer: <FG7ag.17177$Lm5.11928@newssvr12.news.prodigy.com>
Dale wrote:
"Jimmy B." <jimpppe@nospamyahoo.com> wrote in message
news:44677de6$0$3692$470ef3ce@news.pa.net...
[...]
Anyway, because there was only 2 of them, they were sat at a table
with another family. After the first dish was prepared, my
girlfriend put a bite in her mouth. Just as she did that, the man
next to her turned to her and asked her to join hands with them and
say grace.
[...]
So, I'm curious, have any of you been in that situation before?
What did you (or would you) do in that case?
I might say kindly and sincerely "No, but thank you for offering to
include me in your ritual." Chances are that the man simply assumed
that your girlfriend was like 85% of Americans, and would have loved
for her and her daughter to have been included as honorary members of
their familial group.
I'm not sure what that 85% means but certainly around here it is very rare
to see anyone say Grace in a resturant.
More than 72% do not identify with any religion.
I find it interesting that western society is so thoroughly
god-delusion-soaked that we all know instantly what is meant by
"saying grace".
Western [cough] society was showing signs of sanity before it regressed.
--
Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to
shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
be 'blessed' with a plethora of splinters.
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| User: "Ron Baker, Pluralitas!" |
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14 May 2006 02:23:19 PM |
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"Jimmy B." <jimpppe@nospamyahoo.com> wrote in message
news:44677de6$0$3692$470ef3ce@news.pa.net...
Both my girlfriend an I are atheists. She has 2 children who live in
another state. She went to visit them this weekend and called to tell me
a strange experience she had at dinner.
Her daughter and she was at Benihana's for dinner. Now, for those of you
who don't know what Benihana is, it is a chain restaurant that specializes
in Japanese food. They have tables that 6 or 8 people sit around 3 sides
of it and has a grill in the middle and a cook prepares the food at you
table. It is sort of a show watching them de-vein shrimp and cook the
other food.
Anyway, because there was only 2 of them, they were sat at a table with
another family. After the first dish was prepared, my girlfriend put a
bite in her mouth. Just as she did that, the man next to her turned to
her and asked her to join hands with them and say grace. She looked at
her daughter and who simply shrugged and smiled. So, not wanting to cause
a scene, she swallowed what she had in her mouth and joined hands with the
family.
Afterward, she called me told me about the situation and asked me what I
would have done in the same situation. (I am much more of a in-your-face
atheist than she is.) I have to admit that I've never been in that
situation before and I've never thought about it, but my first reaction
was to say something to the man about that being a family thing and that I
didn't want to take away from it. If he insisted, I would simply say I
wasn't Christian and shouldn't participate.
So, I'm curious, have any of you been in that situation before? What did
you (or would you) do in that case?
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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15 May 2006 02:31:08 PM |
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"Jimmy B." <jimpppe@nospamyahoo.com> wrote in message
news:44677de6$0$3692$470ef3ce@news.pa.net...
Both my girlfriend an I are atheists. She has 2 children who live in
another state. She went to visit them this weekend and called to tell me
a strange experience she had at dinner.
Her daughter and she was at Benihana's for dinner. Now, for those of you
who don't know what Benihana is, it is a chain restaurant that specializes
in Japanese food. They have tables that 6 or 8 people sit around 3 sides
of it and has a grill in the middle and a cook prepares the food at you
table. It is sort of a show watching them de-vein shrimp and cook the
other food.
Anyway, because there was only 2 of them, they were sat at a table with
another family. After the first dish was prepared, my girlfriend put a
bite in her mouth. Just as she did that, the man next to her turned to
her and asked her to join hands with them and say grace. She looked at
her daughter and who simply shrugged and smiled. So, not wanting to cause
a scene, she swallowed what she had in her mouth and joined hands with the
family.
Afterward, she called me told me about the situation and asked me what I
would have done in the same situation. (I am much more of a in-your-face
atheist than she is.) I have to admit that I've never been in that
situation before and I've never thought about it, but my first reaction
was to say something to the man about that being a family thing and that I
didn't want to take away from it. If he insisted, I would simply say I
wasn't Christian and shouldn't participate.
So, I'm curious, have any of you been in that situation before? What did
you (or would you) do in that case?
I would have said "No, thank you" and gone back to eating my food.
--
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
Atheist ***** Extraordinaire
#1557
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| User: "Ron Baker, Pluralitas!" |
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14 May 2006 02:29:42 PM |
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"Jimmy B." <jimpppe@nospamyahoo.com> wrote in message
news:44677de6$0$3692$470ef3ce@news.pa.net...
Both my girlfriend an I are atheists. She has 2 children who live in
another state. She went to visit them this weekend and called to tell me
a strange experience she had at dinner.
Her daughter and she was at Benihana's for dinner. Now, for those of you
who don't know what Benihana is, it is a chain restaurant that specializes
in Japanese food. They have tables that 6 or 8 people sit around 3 sides
of it and has a grill in the middle and a cook prepares the food at you
table. It is sort of a show watching them de-vein shrimp and cook the
other food.
Anyway, because there was only 2 of them, they were sat at a table with
another family. After the first dish was prepared, my girlfriend put a
bite in her mouth. Just as she did that, the man next to her turned to
her and asked her to join hands with them and say grace. She looked at
her daughter and who simply shrugged and smiled. So, not wanting to cause
a scene, she swallowed what she had in her mouth and joined hands with the
family.
Afterward, she called me told me about the situation and asked me what I
would have done in the same situation. (I am much more of a in-your-face
atheist than she is.) I have to admit that I've never been in that
situation before and I've never thought about it, but my first reaction
was to say something to the man about that being a family thing and that I
didn't want to take away from it. If he insisted, I would simply say I
wasn't Christian and shouldn't participate.
So, I'm curious, have any of you been in that situation before? What did
you (or would you) do in that case?
Smile and say, No thank you.
Explain nothing. They are not owed any explaination.
--
rb
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| User: "duke" |
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14 May 2006 03:54:05 PM |
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On Sun, 14 May 2006 19:29:42 GMT, "Ron Baker, Pluralitas!"
<stoshu@bellsouth.net.pa> wrote:
Smile and say, No thank you.
Explain nothing. They are not owed any explaination.
Nice crude atheistic response to a loving request.
duke, American-American
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****
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| User: "Dale" |
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15 May 2006 01:42:02 AM |
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"duke" <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message
news:866f6258303vs5g8rvsdfmue9ug53f0t6i@4ax.com...
On Sun, 14 May 2006 19:29:42 GMT, "Ron Baker, Pluralitas!"
<stoshu@bellsouth.net.pa> wrote:
Smile and say, No thank you.
Explain nothing. They are not owed any explaination.
Nice crude atheistic response to a loving request.
Since when is "No, thank you" a crude response?
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| User: "Doc Smartass" |
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15 May 2006 08:10:08 PM |
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"Dale" <dmgreer@nspm.airmail.net> wrote in news:_oV9g.86883$dW3.32882
@newssvr21.news.prodigy.com:
"duke" <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message
news:866f6258303vs5g8rvsdfmue9ug53f0t6i@4ax.com...
On Sun, 14 May 2006 19:29:42 GMT, "Ron Baker, Pluralitas!"
<stoshu@bellsouth.net.pa> wrote:
Smile and say, No thank you.
Explain nothing. They are not owed any explaination.
Nice crude atheistic response to a loving request.
Since when is "No, thank you" a crude response?
Remember the prime directive of cristains:
"If you won't let us convert you, you're persecuting us."
Earl needs a wasabi enema.
--
Doc Smartass
"I am George W. Fudd, Miwwionaire. I own a mansion, a yacht, and your
phone number."
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| User: "duke" |
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19 May 2006 07:31:17 AM |
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On Tue, 16 May 2006 01:10:08 GMT, Doc Smartass <gekido@astroskivviesboymail.com>
wrote:
Earl needs a wasabi enema.
I, duke, stop with my nose. I see you're familiar with the other end. Been
visiting yang lately?
duke, American-American
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****
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| User: "L. Raymond" |
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15 May 2006 01:54:49 AM |
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Dale wrote:
"duke" <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message
news:866f6258303vs5g8rvsdfmue9ug53f0t6i@4ax.com...
On Sun, 14 May 2006 19:29:42 GMT, "Ron Baker, Pluralitas!"
<stoshu@bellsouth.net.pa> wrote:
Smile and say, No thank you.
Explain nothing. They are not owed any explaination.
Nice crude atheistic response to a loving request.
Since when is "No, thank you" a crude response?
Since you're dealing with a religion that considers it loving to
condemn people to eternal torture. With people like that, black is
white.
--
L. Raymond
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| User: "stoney" |
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17 May 2006 01:31:09 PM |
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On Mon, 15 May 2006 01:54:49 -0500, "L. Raymond"
<badaddress@mylinuxisp.com> wrote in alt.atheism
Dale wrote:
"duke" <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message
news:866f6258303vs5g8rvsdfmue9ug53f0t6i@4ax.com...
On Sun, 14 May 2006 19:29:42 GMT, "Ron Baker, Pluralitas!"
<stoshu@bellsouth.net.pa> wrote:
Smile and say, No thank you.
Explain nothing. They are not owed any explaination.
Nice crude atheistic response to a loving request.
Since when is "No, thank you" a crude response?
Since you're dealing with a religion that considers it loving to
condemn people to eternal torture. With people like that, black is
white.
And white is black, depending on what serves their purpose at the time.
--
Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to
shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
be 'blessed' with a plethora of splinters.
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| User: "duke" |
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19 May 2006 07:29:46 AM |
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On Mon, 15 May 2006 01:54:49 -0500, "L. Raymond" <badaddress@mylinuxisp.com>
wrote:
Dale wrote:
"duke" <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message
news:866f6258303vs5g8rvsdfmue9ug53f0t6i@4ax.com...
On Sun, 14 May 2006 19:29:42 GMT, "Ron Baker, Pluralitas!"
<stoshu@bellsouth.net.pa> wrote:
Smile and say, No thank you.
Explain nothing. They are not owed any explaination.
Nice crude atheistic response to a loving request.
Since when is "No, thank you" a crude response?
Since you're dealing with a religion that considers it loving to
condemn people to eternal torture.
You don't understand, do you? Condemnation to eternal torture is your choice,
not God's.
duke, American-American
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****
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19 May 2006 07:28:43 AM |
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On Mon, 15 May 2006 06:42:02 GMT, "Dale" <dmgreer@nspm.airmail.net> wrote:
"duke" <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message
news:866f6258303vs5g8rvsdfmue9ug53f0t6i@4ax.com...
On Sun, 14 May 2006 19:29:42 GMT, "Ron Baker, Pluralitas!"
<stoshu@bellsouth.net.pa> wrote:
Smile and say, No thank you.
Explain nothing. They are not owed any explaination.
Nice crude atheistic response to a loving request.
Since when is "No, thank you" a crude response?
What's wrong with acknowledging another's beliefs, even though you don't agree,
and saying, "we'll wait to eat while you say grace with your family."
Your's is a nice crude atheistic response to a loving request.
duke, American-American
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****
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14 May 2006 05:48:07 PM |
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duke wrote:
On Sun, 14 May 2006 19:29:42 GMT, "Ron Baker, Pluralitas!"
<stoshu@bellsouth.net.pa> wrote:
Smile and say, No thank you.
Explain nothing. They are not owed any explaination.
Nice crude atheistic response to a loving request.
From the Vatican Dictionary:
Love (v) to claim authority over the life of, to express contempt for,
to disdain the lifestyle of, to torture or murder. (n) contempt,
violence (verbal or physical) torture, murder (see 'tough love').
Loving (adj) borne of contempt, bigotry or hostility, in the spirit of
social intolerance.
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19 May 2006 01:53:38 PM |
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duke wrote:
On Sun, 14 May 2006 19:29:42 GMT, "Ron Baker, Pluralitas!"
<stoshu@bellsouth.net.pa> wrote:
Smile and say, No thank you.
Explain nothing. They are not owed any explaination.
Nice crude atheistic response to a loving request.
So, duke, if the nice Hindu couple next to you in a
restaurant asked you to join them in a prayer to
Vishnu, what would be your response?
--
Walt Smith
Firelock on DALNet
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| User: "duke" |
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19 May 2006 03:27:32 PM |
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On 19 May 2006 11:53:38 -0700, wrote:
Smile and say, No thank you.
Explain nothing. They are not owed any explaination.
Nice crude atheistic response to a loving request.
So, duke, if the nice Hindu couple next to you in a
restaurant asked you to join them in a prayer to
Vishnu, what would be your response?
Thank them, advise that my beliefs are different than theirs as I am Christian,
and quietly wait for them to conclude before beginning my meal.
duke, American-American
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****
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| User: "Steve O" |
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20 May 2006 08:32:21 AM |
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"duke" <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message
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On 19 May 2006 11:53:38 -0700, wrote:
Smile and say, No thank you.
Explain nothing. They are not owed any explaination.
Nice crude atheistic response to a loving request.
So, duke, if the nice Hindu couple next to you in a
restaurant asked you to join them in a prayer to
Vishnu, what would be your response?
Thank them, advise that my beliefs are different than theirs as I am
Christian,
and quietly wait for them to conclude before beginning my meal.
So what would you do if they were Satanists and were offering the meal to
the Great Dark One?
Would you join in?
Would you sit there quietly while they got on with it and joined in a meal.
Would you be offended?
If you were , then perhaps you could understand why an atheist might be
offended at being asked to say grace and offer thanks for a meal to
something they do not believe in and might find a little distasteful.
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Steve O
a.a. #2240
"Apparently, as I understand it , I am supposed to repent for being the way
that God made me, and then God will save me from God?"
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19 May 2006 04:01:39 PM |
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duke wrote:
On 19 May 2006 11:53:38 -0700, wrote:
Smile and say, No thank you.
Explain nothing. They are not owed any explaination.
Nice crude atheistic response to a loving request.
So, duke, if the nice Hindu couple next to you in a
restaurant asked you to join them in a prayer to
Vishnu, what would be your response?
Thank them, advise that my beliefs are different than theirs as I am Christian,
and quietly wait for them to conclude before beginning my meal.
Well, since the person you were responding to had no
beliefs to explain to them, sounds like he and you
were on the same page here - except that you felt
the need to insult him about it.
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Walt Smith
Firelock on DALNet
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| User: "duke" |
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20 May 2006 08:35:18 AM |
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On 19 May 2006 14:01:39 -0700, wrote:
duke wrote:
On 19 May 2006 11:53:38 -0700, wrote:
Smile and say, No thank you.
Explain nothing. They are not owed any explaination.
Nice crude atheistic response to a loving request.
So, duke, if the nice Hindu couple next to you in a
restaurant asked you to join them in a prayer to
Vishnu, what would be your response?
Thank them, advise that my beliefs are different than theirs as I am Christian,
and quietly wait for them to conclude before beginning my meal.
Well, since the person you were responding to had no
beliefs to explain to them, sounds like he and you
were on the same page here - except that you felt
the need to insult him about it.
Possibly you should learn how to read. I never said I would explain my beliefs
to them. I said that I would advise them that my beliefs were different.
And honor them by waiting for the conclusion of their's before beginning to eat.
Good grief but you atheists are stupid.
duke, American-American
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"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
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| User: "" |
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20 May 2006 05:24:28 PM |
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duke wrote:
On 19 May 2006 14:01:39 -0700, wrote:
duke wrote:
On 19 May 2006 11:53:38 -0700, wrote:
Smile and say, No thank you.
Explain nothing. They are not owed any explaination.
Nice crude atheistic response to a loving request.
So, duke, if the nice Hindu couple next to you in a
restaurant asked you to join them in a prayer to
Vishnu, what would be your response?
Thank them, advise that my beliefs are different than theirs as I am Christian,
and quietly wait for them to conclude before beginning my meal.
Well, since the person you were responding to had no
beliefs to explain to them, sounds like he and you
were on the same page here - except that you felt
the need to insult him about it.
Possibly you should learn how to read. I never said I would explain my beliefs
to them.
I said that I would advise them that my beliefs were different.
duke, "explaining your beliefs" would be the part where you
told them you were a christian.
And honor them by waiting for the conclusion of their's before beginning to eat.
Naw, you'd be too busy saying thanks to your favorite sky-fairy
to have time to wait respectfully for them to finish thanking theirs.
Let's say their pre-feast ritual took longer than you were
comfortable with - long enough for your food to get cold,
for example. Would you still "honor them" by
inconveniencing yourself and doing honors to one of
those imaginary beings that you keep shouting about
having never raised a wooden finger?
Good grief but you atheists are stupid.
Considering what else you believe to be true, I'll
treat that with the respect it deserves.
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Walt Smith
Firelock on DALNet
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| User: "leo" |
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14 May 2006 03:35:48 PM |
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I would have said, Sorry I cannot pray with you, it would be sin as I
am Muslim.
Leopoldo
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| User: "stoney" |
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17 May 2006 01:34:08 PM |
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On 14 May 2006 13:35:48 -0700, "leo" <leopoldo.perdomo@gmail.com> wrote
in alt.atheism
I would have said, Sorry I cannot pray with you, it would be sin as I
am Muslim.
Leopoldo
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Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to
shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
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| User: "Father Haskell" |
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14 May 2006 07:14:23 PM |
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Jimmy B. wrote:
So, I'm curious, have any of you been in that situation before? What did
you (or would you) do in that case?
Heist a few wallets while they're not looking.
Spike their beverages with liquid.
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| User: "Chris Johnson" |
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14 May 2006 03:11:16 PM |
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Jimmy B. wrote:
Both my girlfriend an I are atheists. She has 2 children who live in
another state. She went to visit them this weekend and called to tell me a
strange experience she had at dinner.
Her daughter and she was at Benihana's for dinner. Now, for those of you
who don't know what Benihana is, it is a chain restaurant that specializes
in Japanese food. They have tables that 6 or 8 people sit around 3 sides of
it and has a grill in the middle and a cook prepares the food at you table.
It is sort of a show watching them de-vein shrimp and cook the other food.
Anyway, because there was only 2 of them, they were sat at a table with
another family. After the first dish was prepared, my girlfriend put a bite
in her mouth. Just as she did that, the man next to her turned to her and
asked her to join hands with them and say grace. She looked at her daughter
and who simply shrugged and smiled. So, not wanting to cause a scene, she
swallowed what she had in her mouth and joined hands with the family.
Afterward, she called me told me about the situation and asked me what I
would have done in the same situation. (I am much more of a in-your-face
atheist than she is.) I have to admit that I've never been in that
situation before and I've never thought about it, but my first reaction was
to say something to the man about that being a family thing and that I
didn't want to take away from it. If he insisted, I would simply say I
wasn't Christian and shouldn't participate.
So, I'm curious, have any of you been in that situation before? What did
you (or would you) do in that case?
I've not been in that situation. At home, I just say grace along with
everybody else, since it's just four lines of bad poetry that I've been
saying since before I knew how to parse the words and discover what it
even meant. But in that situation I would have just said "Oh, no thank
you" in as polite a voice I could manage (which would vary depending on
how off guard I was taken). If he insisted, I would have declined again
more curtly, and on a third attempt I would have located a manager and
asked to be reseated.
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| User: "Pastor Kutchie" |
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15 May 2006 03:56:32 AM |
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Jimmy B. wrote:
Both my girlfriend an I are atheists. She has 2 children who live in
another state. She went to visit them this weekend and called to tell me a
strange experience she had at dinner.
Her daughter and she was at Benihana's for dinner. Now, for those of you
who don't know what Benihana is, it is a chain restaurant that specializes
in Japanese food. They have tables that 6 or 8 people sit around 3 sides of
it and has a grill in the middle and a cook prepares the food at you table.
It is sort of a show watching them de-vein shrimp and cook the other food.
Anyway, because there was only 2 of them, they were sat at a table with
another family. After the first dish was prepared, my girlfriend put a bite
in her mouth. Just as she did that, the man next to her turned to her and
asked her to join hands with them and say grace. She looked at her daughter
and who simply shrugged and smiled. So, not wanting to cause a scene, she
swallowed what she had in her mouth and joined hands with the family.
Afterward, she called me told me about the situation and asked me what I
would have done in the same situation. (I am much more of a in-your-face
atheist than she is.) I have to admit that I've never been in that
situation before and I've never thought about it, but my first reaction was
to say something to the man about that being a family thing and that I
didn't want to take away from it. If he insisted, I would simply say I
wasn't Christian and shouldn't participate.
So, I'm curious, have any of you been in that situation before? What did
you (or would you) do in that case?
In my country, if people said grace in a restaurant, everybody else
would move away, and there's a fair chance somebody would ring Social
Services and try and find out who their key worker was so they could
have a word with them. It is unconscionable that a family or group of
people would behave like that.
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