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Date: 16 Jun 2005 10:01:19 AM
Object: SCHIAVO AUTOPSY REPORT EXPOSES LIES OF RELIGIOUS RIGHT
PRESS RELEASE ** PRESS RELEASE ** PRESS RELEASE
For Immediate Release
June 15, 2005
Americans United for Separation of Church and State
Contact: Rob Boston or Jeremy Leaming
www.au.org
SCHIAVO AUTOPSY REPORT EXPOSES LIES OF RELIGIOUS RIGHT, SAYS AMERICANS
UNITED
Florida Woman Had No Hope Of Recovery, Report Says
Results of an autopsy on Terri Schiavo, the Florida woman whose tragic
condition sparked unprecedented governmental intervention by
fundamentalist groups and their politician allies, debunk Religious
Right claims by proving that her condition was irreversible.
In the weeks leading up to Schiavo's death, several Religious Right
groups asserted that she could recover from the persistent vegetative
state she had been in for 15 years. They claimed that Schiavo was
responsive to her parents and insisted that removing her feeding tube
would be murder.
The autopsy results, released today, showed that Schiavo suffered
massive and irreversible brain damage and that she could not have been
responsive to outsiders because she was blind. Doctors said what
appeared to be responses were merely automatic reflexes.
"These Religious Right zealots owe the entire country an apology,"
said Barry W. Lynn, executive director for Americans United. "They
intervened in a personal family matter, gave this poor woman's parents
false hope, libeled her husband with unfounded accusations and turned
a tragic situation into a political football. Have they no shame?"
Addressing a meeting of the Judeo-Christian Council for Constitutional
Restoration in Washington April 17, David C. Gibbs III, the attorney
for Schiavo's parents, implied that Michael Schiavo, Terri's husband,
had strangled her. The autopsy also found no evidence that Schiavo had
been strangled or abused.
Lynn singled out Tony Perkins, president of the Family Research
Council, for special mention in the Religious Right Hall of Shame.
During the controversy over Schiavo, Perkins repeatedly issued
commentaries that referred to her husband as "estranged," despite the
fact that Michael Schiavo was caring for her, and mentioning the
"questionable circumstances" surrounding her collapse, clearly
implying foul play.
At a closed-door FRC meeting in Washington March 18, House Majority
Leader Tom DeLay compared his own ethical problems with Schiavo's
situation, suggesting that both were victims of a plot by liberals
against conservative Christians. Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist
also addressed the FRC strategy session and worked with the group to
pass legislation attempting to intervene in the Schiavo case. (Hear
audio of the DeLay and Frist comments here: www.au.org/press_audio).
"I've worked in Washington a long time, but I've never seen anything
as manipulative as what Perkins and the FRC did over Terri Schiavo,"
Lynn remarked. "They took a terminally ill woman and turned her into a
political tool to gain leverage in Congress."
Concluded Lynn, "If this is an example of the FRC's holier-than-thou
values, I'll pass."
Americans United is a religious liberty watchdog group based in
Washington, D.C. Founded in 1947, the organization educates Americans
about the importance of church-state separation in safeguarding
religious freedom.
************************************************************************
www.au.org
You are invited to check out the following:
The Constitutional Principle: Separation of Church and State
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/index.html
[and the discussion group for the above site listed below]
HRSepCnS · Hampton Roads SepChurch&State
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HRSepCnS/
[Its not just Hampton Roads folks who are members]
***************************************************************
.. . . You can't understand a phrase such as "Congress shall make no law
respecting an establishment of religion" by syllogistic reasoning. Words
take their meaning from social as well as textual contexts, which is why "a
page of history is worth a volume of logic." New York Trust Co. v. Eisner,
256 U.S. 345, 349, 41 S.Ct. 506, 507, 65 L.Ed. 963 (1921) (Holmes, J.).
Sherman v. Community Consol. Dist. 21, 980 F.2d 437, 445 (7th Cir. 1992)
.. . .
****************************************************************
THE CONSTITUTIONAL PRINCIPLE:
SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE

http://members.tripod.com/~candst/index.html
"Dedicated to combatting 'history by sound bite'."
Now including a re-publication of Tom Peters
SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE HOME PAGE
and
Audio links to Supreme Court oral arguments and
Speech by civil rights/constitutional lawyer and others.
This site is a member of the following web rings:
Freethought Ring--&--Freethought, Religion & Beliefs Ring
The First Amendment Ring--&--The Church-State Ring
American History WebRing--&--The History Ring
Let Freedom Ring--&--Religious Freedom Ring
Law Issues Ring--&--Legal Research Ring
****************************************************************
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User: "Dana"

Title: Re: SCHIAVO AUTOPSY REPORT EXPOSES LIES OF RELIGIOUS RIGHT 16 Jun 2005 12:31:14 PM
<buckeye-ELO@nospam.net> wrote in message
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SCHIAVO AUTOPSY REPORT EXPOSES LIES

Of michael who said she was bulimic.
Your side is busted again.
.
User: ""

Title: Re: SCHIAVO AUTOPSY REPORT EXPOSES LIES OF RELIGIOUS RIGHT 16 Jun 2005 12:34:03 PM
Dana wrote:

<buckeye-ELO@nospam.net> wrote in message
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SCHIAVO AUTOPSY REPORT EXPOSES LIES


Of michael who said she was bulimic.
Your side is busted again.

Perfect example of the cognative dissonance of
the religious right. There is no way a person could
get such a claim out of the autopsy, yet Dana
can read words in front of him and see what is not
there. It's hard to reason with people who
will not acknowledge what is right before their
own eyes, or worse, refuse to open their eyes.
.

User: "Cary Kittrell"

Title: Re: SCHIAVO AUTOPSY REPORT EXPOSES LIES OF RELIGIOUS RIGHT 16 Jun 2005 02:57:04 PM
In article <11b2s51kp31ctff@corp.supernews.com> "Dana" <whoya@whoya.com> writes:

<buckeye-ELO@nospam.net> wrote in message
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SCHIAVO AUTOPSY REPORT EXPOSES LIES


Of michael who said she was bulimic.
Your side is busted again.

And an autopsy was going to reveal bulimic behavior
that had ended a decade and a half earlier how,
exactly?
It's hard to indulge in bulimic behavior with
a tube down your throat and a brain too
devestated to instigate voluntary behavior.
Potassium levels at that time of the original
presentation were consistent
with bulimia. Proof? No. A suggestive
finding? Most certainly.
-- cry
.
User: "Dana"

Title: Re: SCHIAVO AUTOPSY REPORT EXPOSES LIES OF RELIGIOUS RIGHT 16 Jun 2005 08:13:24 PM
"Cary Kittrell" <cary@afone.as.arizona.edu> wrote in message
news:d8s400$60n$1@onion.ccit.arizona.edu...

In article <11b2s51kp31ctff@corp.supernews.com> "Dana" <whoya@whoya.com>

writes:

<buckeye-ELO@nospam.net> wrote in message
news:oej2b1lj6cvds4mqtlmptdi03t4ikkhf3s@4ax.com...

SCHIAVO AUTOPSY REPORT EXPOSES LIES


Of michael who said she was bulimic.
Your side is busted again.


And an autopsy was going to reveal bulimic behavior

cary the wimp did not listen to the doctor.
There was no evidence she was ever bulimic.
.
User: "Cary Kittrell"

Title: Re: SCHIAVO AUTOPSY REPORT EXPOSES LIES OF RELIGIOUS RIGHT 16 Jun 2005 08:32:53 PM
In article <11b3n7k3th849b0@corp.supernews.com> "Dana" <whoya@whoya.com> writes:

"Cary Kittrell" <cary@afone.as.arizona.edu> wrote in message
news:d8s400$60n$1@onion.ccit.arizona.edu...

In article <11b2s51kp31ctff@corp.supernews.com> "Dana" <whoya@whoya.com>

writes:

<buckeye-ELO@nospam.net> wrote in message
news:oej2b1lj6cvds4mqtlmptdi03t4ikkhf3s@4ax.com...

SCHIAVO AUTOPSY REPORT EXPOSES LIES


Of michael who said she was bulimic.
Your side is busted again.


And an autopsy was going to reveal bulimic behavior


cary the wimp did not listen to the doctor.
There was no evidence she was ever bulimic.

You mean the doctor who filled out her discharge
summary from Humana Hospital?
That would be the hospital which measured her
serum potassium level at 1.5 mEq below the
minimum normal range, of course. That's less than
half of average, and less than two-thirds of
the normal minimum.
And the hospitial whose summary observes that
"she apparently has been trying to keep her weight down with dieting
by herself, drinking liquids most of the time during the day and drinking
about 10-15 glasses of iced tea."
So perhaps in the end you're right (in spite of friends' comments
on Teri's habit of excusing herself to the bathroom immediately
after eating). Maybe she didn't exhibit bulimia after all.
Maybe she somehow managed to become hypokalemic at life
threatening levels by severe dietary abuse alone, without
having to compound it with a finger down her throat.
-- cary
.

User: "Curly Surmudgeon"

Title: Re: SCHIAVO AUTOPSY REPORT EXPOSES LIES OF RELIGIOUS RIGHT 16 Jun 2005 08:29:40 PM
On Thu, 16 Jun 2005 12:13:24 -0800, Dana wrote:

"Cary Kittrell" <cary@afone.as.arizona.edu> wrote in message
news:d8s400$60n$1@onion.ccit.arizona.edu...

In article <11b2s51kp31ctff@corp.supernews.com> "Dana" <whoya@whoya.com>

writes:

<buckeye-ELO@nospam.net> wrote in message
news:oej2b1lj6cvds4mqtlmptdi03t4ikkhf3s@4ax.com...

SCHIAVO AUTOPSY REPORT EXPOSES LIES


Of michael who said she was bulimic.
Your side is busted again.


And an autopsy was going to reveal bulimic behavior


cary the wimp did not listen to the doctor.
There was no evidence she was ever bulimic.

How would an autopsy show bulimia and what does that have to do with her
end of life situation?
--
-- Regards, Curly
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User: "Yang, AthD h.c, Kicking AWOLs Cocaine Snorting Ass"

Title: Re: SCHIAVO AUTOPSY REPORT EXPOSES LIES OF RELIGIOUS RIGHT 16 Jun 2005 12:38:45 PM
On Thu, 16 Jun 2005 04:31:14 -0800, "Dana" <whoya@whoya.com> wrote:

<buckeye-ELO@nospam.net> wrote in message
news:oej2b1lj6cvds4mqtlmptdi03t4ikkhf3s@4ax.com...

SCHIAVO AUTOPSY REPORT EXPOSES LIES


Of michael who said she was bulimic.
Your side is busted again.

And the autopsy also could not prove that Terri Schiavo was Catholic.
Oops, that makes you a liar doesn't it?
-----
Yang
a.a. #28
AthD (h.c.) conferred by the regents of the LCL
a.a. pastor #-273.15, the most frigid church of Celcius nee Kelvin
EAC Econometric Forecast and Sorcery Division
Proudly plonked by Lani Girl and Crazyalec (aka
aka Yang's little poltregeist *****)
The Bush 'balanced' budget: 1.6 trillion and worsening
The Bush 'economic' policy: 12 million FEWER jobs than Clinton and counting
The Bush Iraq lie: -1713 GIs, one friend's co-worker's son and mounting
Having Bush ***** up my country: Worthless
.

User: "Curly Surmudgeon"

Title: Re: SCHIAVO AUTOPSY REPORT EXPOSES LIES OF RELIGIOUS RIGHT 16 Jun 2005 02:11:17 PM
On Thu, 16 Jun 2005 04:31:14 -0800, Dana wrote:

<buckeye-ELO@nospam.net> wrote in message
news:oej2b1lj6cvds4mqtlmptdi03t4ikkhf3s@4ax.com...

SCHIAVO AUTOPSY REPORT EXPOSES LIES


Of michael who said she was bulimic.
Your side is busted again.

How, precisely, does an autopsy show someone had bulimia?
-- Regards, Curly
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User: "fred"

Title: Re: SCHIAVO AUTOPSY REPORT EXPOSES LIES OF RELIGIOUS RIGHT 16 Jun 2005 03:54:00 PM
wrote:

PRESS RELEASE ** PRESS RELEASE ** PRESS RELEASE

For Immediate Release
June 15, 2005

Americans United for Separation of Church and State
Contact: Rob Boston or Jeremy Leaming
www.au.org


SCHIAVO AUTOPSY REPORT EXPOSES LIES OF RELIGIOUS RIGHT, SAYS AMERICANS
UNITED

Florida Woman Had No Hope Of Recovery, Report Says

The bottom line is that firefighter Donald Herbert was likewise in a
vegetative state with no hope for recovery - and now he's talking. And
although I believe that Terri's brain had deterioriated to the point of
no recovery, I think that Terri's husband denied her therapy which
contributed to the deterioration.


Results of an autopsy on Terri Schiavo, the Florida woman whose tragic
condition sparked unprecedented governmental intervention by
fundamentalist groups and their politician allies, debunk Religious
Right claims by proving that her condition was irreversible.

<snip>
.
User: "Robibnikoff"

Title: Re: SCHIAVO AUTOPSY REPORT EXPOSES LIES OF RELIGIOUS RIGHT 16 Jun 2005 04:09:19 PM
"fred" <clarma1@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1118937240.610002.198880@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...

buckeye-ELO@nospam.net wrote:

PRESS RELEASE ** PRESS RELEASE ** PRESS RELEASE

For Immediate Release
June 15, 2005

Americans United for Separation of Church and State
Contact: Rob Boston or Jeremy Leaming
www.au.org


SCHIAVO AUTOPSY REPORT EXPOSES LIES OF RELIGIOUS RIGHT, SAYS AMERICANS
UNITED

Florida Woman Had No Hope Of Recovery, Report Says


The bottom line is that firefighter Donald Herbert was likewise in a
vegetative state with no hope for recovery - and now he's talking. And
although I believe that Terri's brain had deterioriated to the point of
no recovery, I think that Terri's husband denied her therapy which
contributed to the deterioration.

Based on what evidence?
--
------
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
#1557
Science doesn't burn people at the stake for disagreeing - Vic Sagerquist
.
User: "No 33 Secretary"

Title: Re: SCHIAVO AUTOPSY REPORT EXPOSES LIES OF RELIGIOUS RIGHT 16 Jun 2005 06:21:57 PM
"Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote in
news:3hdmi6FghetaU1@individual.net:


"fred" <clarma1@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1118937240.610002.198880@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...

buckeye-ELO@nospam.net wrote:

PRESS RELEASE ** PRESS RELEASE ** PRESS RELEASE

For Immediate Release
June 15, 2005

Americans United for Separation of Church and State
Contact: Rob Boston or Jeremy Leaming
www.au.org


SCHIAVO AUTOPSY REPORT EXPOSES LIES OF RELIGIOUS RIGHT, SAYS AMERICANS
UNITED

Florida Woman Had No Hope Of Recovery, Report Says


The bottom line is that firefighter Donald Herbert was likewise in a
vegetative state with no hope for recovery - and now he's talking. And
although I believe that Terri's brain had deterioriated to the point of
no recovery, I think that Terri's husband denied her therapy which
contributed to the deterioration.


Based on what evidence?

He was told that, by the monkeys that fly out of his butt.
--
Terry Austin
www.hyperbooks.com
Campaign Cartographer now available
.

User: "Mark K. Bilbo"

Title: Re: SCHIAVO AUTOPSY REPORT EXPOSES LIES OF RELIGIOUS RIGHT 17 Jun 2005 12:15:51 PM
In our last episode <3hdmi6FghetaU1@individual.net>, Robibnikoff
pirouetted gracefully and with great fanfare proclaimed:


"fred" <clarma1@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1118937240.610002.198880@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...

buckeye-ELO@nospam.net wrote:

PRESS RELEASE ** PRESS RELEASE ** PRESS RELEASE

For Immediate Release
June 15, 2005

Americans United for Separation of Church and State Contact: Rob
Boston or Jeremy Leaming www.au.org


SCHIAVO AUTOPSY REPORT EXPOSES LIES OF RELIGIOUS RIGHT, SAYS AMERICANS
UNITED

Florida Woman Had No Hope Of Recovery, Report Says


The bottom line is that firefighter Donald Herbert was likewise in a
vegetative state with no hope for recovery - and now he's talking. And
although I believe that Terri's brain had deterioriated to the point of
no recovery, I think that Terri's husband denied her therapy which
contributed to the deterioration.


Based on what evidence?

The kind of evidence that involves reading absolutely nothing that
contradicts what one has already decided to believe...
--
Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
Alt-atheism website at: http://www.alt-atheism.org
--------------------------------------------------
"Come to think of it, there are already a million
monkeys on a million typewriters, and the Usenet
is NOTHING like Shakespeare!" -- Blair Houghton
.

User: "Bonnie B."

Title: Re: SCHIAVO AUTOPSY REPORT EXPOSES LIES OF RELIGIOUS RIGHT 16 Jun 2005 06:52:11 PM
On Thu, 16 Jun 2005 12:09:19 -0400, "Robibnikoff"
<witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:


"fred" <clarma1@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1118937240.610002.198880@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...

buckeye-ELO@nospam.net wrote:

PRESS RELEASE ** PRESS RELEASE ** PRESS RELEASE

For Immediate Release
June 15, 2005

Americans United for Separation of Church and State
Contact: Rob Boston or Jeremy Leaming
www.au.org


SCHIAVO AUTOPSY REPORT EXPOSES LIES OF RELIGIOUS RIGHT, SAYS AMERICANS
UNITED

Florida Woman Had No Hope Of Recovery, Report Says


The bottom line is that firefighter Donald Herbert was likewise in a
vegetative state with no hope for recovery - and now he's talking. And
although I believe that Terri's brain had deterioriated to the point of
no recovery, I think that Terri's husband denied her therapy which
contributed to the deterioration.


Based on what evidence?

M Clark's latest sockpuppet needs no evidence, other than it said so.
Ein Prosit der GemŸtlichkeit --
Bonnie *****
.



User: "MarkA"

Title: Re: SCHIAVO AUTOPSY REPORT EXPOSES LIES OF RELIGIOUS RIGHT 16 Jun 2005 12:22:12 PM
On Thu, 16 Jun 2005 06:01:19 -0400, buckeye-ELO wrote:

PRESS RELEASE ** PRESS RELEASE ** PRESS RELEASE

For Immediate Release
June 15, 2005

Americans United for Separation of Church and State Contact: Rob Boston or
Jeremy Leaming www.au.org


SCHIAVO AUTOPSY REPORT EXPOSES LIES OF RELIGIOUS RIGHT, SAYS AMERICANS
UNITED

Florida Woman Had No Hope Of Recovery, Report Says

Results of an autopsy on Terri Schiavo, the Florida woman whose tragic
condition sparked unprecedented governmental intervention by
fundamentalist groups and their politician allies, debunk Religious Right
claims by proving that her condition was irreversible.

In the weeks leading up to Schiavo's death, several Religious Right groups
asserted that she could recover from the persistent vegetative state she
had been in for 15 years. They claimed that Schiavo was responsive to her
parents and insisted that removing her feeding tube would be murder.

The autopsy results, released today, showed that Schiavo suffered massive
and irreversible brain damage and that she could not have been responsive
to outsiders because she was blind. Doctors said what appeared to be
responses were merely automatic reflexes.

"These Religious Right zealots owe the entire country an apology," said
Barry W. Lynn, executive director for Americans United. "They intervened
in a personal family matter, gave this poor woman's parents false hope,
libeled her husband with unfounded accusations and turned a tragic
situation into a political football. Have they no shame?"

BWAHAHAHAHA!!!! SHAME? You expect a sense of SHAME from people who truly
believe that they know EXACTLY what God wants the people of Earth to
do/think/feel??? To them, this will just be another "test of faith".

Addressing a meeting of the Judeo-Christian Council for Constitutional
Restoration in Washington April 17, David C. Gibbs III, the attorney for
Schiavo's parents, implied that Michael Schiavo, Terri's husband, had
strangled her. The autopsy also found no evidence that Schiavo had been
strangled or abused.

Lynn singled out Tony Perkins, president of the Family Research Council,
for special mention in the Religious Right Hall of Shame. During the
controversy over Schiavo, Perkins repeatedly issued commentaries that
referred to her husband as "estranged," despite the fact that Michael
Schiavo was caring for her, and mentioning the "questionable
circumstances" surrounding her collapse, clearly implying foul play.

At a closed-door FRC meeting in Washington March 18, House Majority
Leader Tom DeLay compared his own ethical problems with Schiavo's
situation, suggesting that both were victims of a plot by liberals
against conservative Christians. Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist also
addressed the FRC strategy session and worked with the group to pass
legislation attempting to intervene in the Schiavo case. (Hear audio of
the DeLay and Frist comments here: www.au.org/press_audio).

"I've worked in Washington a long time, but I've never seen anything as
manipulative as what Perkins and the FRC did over Terri Schiavo," Lynn
remarked. "They took a terminally ill woman and turned her into a
political tool to gain leverage in Congress."

Concluded Lynn, "If this is an example of the FRC's holier-than-thou
values, I'll pass."

Americans United is a religious liberty watchdog group based in
Washington, D.C. Founded in 1947, the organization educates Americans
about the importance of church-state separation in safeguarding
religious freedom.

************************************************************************
www.au.org

You are invited to check out the following:

The Constitutional Principle: Separation of Church and State
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/index.html

[and the discussion group for the above site listed below]

HRSepCnS · Hampton Roads SepChurch&State
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HRSepCnS/

[Its not just Hampton Roads folks who are members]

***************************************************************

. . . You can't understand a phrase such as "Congress shall make no law
respecting an establishment of religion" by syllogistic reasoning. Words
take their meaning from social as well as textual contexts, which is why
"a page of history is worth a volume of logic." New York Trust Co. v.
Eisner, 256 U.S. 345, 349, 41 S.Ct. 506, 507, 65 L.Ed. 963 (1921)
(Holmes, J.). Sherman v. Community Consol. Dist. 21, 980 F.2d 437, 445
(7th Cir. 1992) . . .

****************************************************************

THE CONSTITUTIONAL PRINCIPLE:
SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE

http://members.tripod.com/~candst/index.html

"Dedicated to combatting 'history by sound bite'."

Now including a re-publication of Tom Peters
SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE HOME PAGE
and
Audio links to Supreme Court oral arguments and Speech by civil
rights/constitutional lawyer and others.

This site is a member of the following web rings:

Freethought Ring--&--Freethought, Religion & Beliefs Ring

The First Amendment Ring--&--The Church-State Ring

American History WebRing--&--The History Ring

Let Freedom Ring--&--Religious Freedom Ring

Law Issues Ring--&--Legal Research Ring

****************************************************************

--
MarkA
(still caught in the maze of twisty little passages, all different)
.


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