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"Fredric L. Rice" |
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26 Jan 2006 08:50:07 PM |
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School fights the Christian Taliban |
Dodgeville district firing back over Christmas controversy
http://www.madison.com/wsj/home/local/index.php?ntid=70272
The Dodgeville School District, accused in December of launching an
"attack on Christmas," has counterattacked the accusers.
In a sharply worded letter from its lawyer, the district this week
demanded a widely distributed apology, a retraction of claims the
school's policies are "hostile" to the U.S. Constitution, and
$23,899.48 in damages from the Liberty Counsel. The Florida-based group
grabbed national publicity and solicited donations based on its charge
that a Dodgeville elementary school had "decided to eliminate Christmas
from the Christmas season."
The district and media debunked the charge and the program went on,
holiday-appropriate music and all, but under strict security.
The group threatened lawsuits and ignored the truth even after the
school posted on its Web site an explanation of its program, the
district charged in a letter to Liberty Counsel.
"Your dissemination of false and misleading information and your
threats of specious and frivolous litigation resulted in enormous cost
to the district. You have yet to present the facts either through a
press release, one of your 'alerts' or through any other means. You
used this red herring to attempt to collect money through the form of
donations," the district's lawyer, Eileen A. Brownlee, wrote in a
letter to Mathew D. Staver, president of the Liberty Counsel.
The letter chronologically details contacts with the group, which had
named the district's Ridgeway Elementary School winter program as its
"exhibit A" in the "war on Christmas."
Staver on Wednesday called the district's requests "ridiculous," and
said if the district had simply contacted Liberty Counsel directly
after its first letter, the entire affair might have been cleared up
immediately.
But Diane Messer, Dodgeville superintendent, said the group never asked
for a reply or for an explanation in its first letter, never checked
its facts and even got its final statement wrong, when it issued a
press release incorrectly claiming the school "dumps" a song, "Cold in
the Night," and "returns" to "Silent Night."
Contrary to Liberty Counsel's information in a string of press
releases, "From the beginning," wrote Messer to the group Dec. 13, "the
program has included the singing of religious songs with their original
lyrics. Yes, 'Silent Night' will be sung. 'Cold in the Night' will not
be sung." Instead, that song was narrated.
Messer, in an interview Wednesday, said Liberty Counsel exploited
incorrect information for a publicity advantage, disregarding the
truth.
In one press release, Staver said the school district "intentionally
mocks Christian Christmas songs."
Comments like this were "what in part incensed our district and our
School Board," said Messer.
"We answered his question, he chose to frame it differently, focusing
on 'Silent Night.' As a result, that is where he made his errors. That
and . . . not verifying the facts of the matter.
"I am surprised that he has chosen this approach, since he is
representing a Christian organization that certainly would uphold the
Ten Commandments. He is not honoring the commandment that thou shalt
not bear false witness."
Staver was unapologetic.
"I wish they would have called" in response to his first letter, Staver
said.
"Hindsight is 20/20. I wish they would have let us know about their
press release on their Web site. Communication would have been very
helpful. That is why we sent the first letter," he said.
Messer provided a copy of the letter from Liberty Counsel as evidence,
that the letter did not request a reply, information or explanation. It
did say, "Please contact us if we can assist you in changing current
practices or policies in the district."
Staver continued to claim that "Messer and the rest of the school
should have or could have and were requested to call us to resolve any
alleged misunderstandings that they say there might have been, but they
did not do it."
The group describes itself as a "national public interest law firm
specializing in constitutional law, particularly free speech, religious
freedom and church-state matters." The group, registered in Wisconsin
as a tax-exempt charitable organization, is also active in legal
battles against gay marriage and abortion.
The story was bandied about by national and local columnists and on a
national conservative television show. After an initial round of
exposure based on the Liberty Counsel release and resultant barrage of
e-mails and calls to the school, the media reported the
headline-grabbing accusation, that a hallowed Christmas carol had been
"secularized" by the Dodgeville School District, was false.
Staver blamed the district for the confusion.
"They never clarified any (issue) until we were well into this matter,
and now they say they have incurred costs. They ought to be glad they
didn't incur a lawsuit," said Staver.
"It is ridiculous they even think we would pay a bill."
The bill, described by Messer as " compensation for damages on behalf
of our taxpayers," includes $20,376.43 in compensation costs for 469.5
hours put in by district staff, $2,539.65 for law enforcement, $407.40
for buses and $576 for lawyer fees.
Though the Liberty Counsel said in its first letter it had been
contacted by "concerned parents" in the Dodgeville School District, and
in another letter it had been contacted by "additional parents" in the
district, Messer said no parents complained directly to the district.
Staver said his group's broad concern was the school policy on
"ceremonies and observations, religious holidays," which he said was
"problematic."
The policy in part says that materials and activities cannot "promote
religion," and plays cannot be used to "convey religious messages."
"Plainly," the group accused, "someone misunderstood the policy to mean
that 'Silent Night' could not be sung because it conveys a religious
message."
There was no decision to not sing 'Silent Night,' school officials
said.
Messer said the district's policy, and winter program, will not change.
"There was not one thing wrong or inappropriate or against our policy
or against the constitution in our winter program. Why would we
change?"
Does she think the Liberty Counsel will send the district a check or an
apology?
"I would like to believe that given their Christian basis, that
somebody there would realize that right is right. And since they used
their actions as part of their fundraising campaign, certainly
something should be forthcoming. If nothing more than a token of
compensation for what they unfairly subjected us to."
She said that she hopes "next year, if this group continues to wage
their 'War on Christmas' publicity campaign, they will research first
to understand the facts of whatever the issues are at the next
location. This might prevent someone else from becoming a victim of
their bullying tactics."
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George W. Bush is a Christian. Get over it!
Tree spikes and beer.
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| Title: Re: School fights the Christian Taliban |
26 Jan 2006 09:38:05 PM |
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"Fredric L. Rice" <FRice@SkepticTank.ORG> wrote in message
news:11tj2e0636nd956@corp.supernews.com...
Dodgeville district firing back over Christmas controversy
http://www.madison.com/wsj/home/local/index.php?ntid=70272
The Dodgeville School District, accused in December of launching an
"attack on Christmas," has counterattacked the accusers.
In a sharply worded letter from its lawyer, the district this week
demanded a widely distributed apology, a retraction of claims the
school's policies are "hostile" to the U.S. Constitution, and
$23,899.48 in damages from the Liberty Counsel. The Florida-based group
grabbed national publicity and solicited donations based on its charge
that a Dodgeville elementary school had "decided to eliminate Christmas
from the Christmas season."
The district and media debunked the charge and the program went on,
holiday-appropriate music and all, but under strict security.
The group threatened lawsuits and ignored the truth even after the
school posted on its Web site an explanation of its program, the
district charged in a letter to Liberty Counsel.
"Your dissemination of false and misleading information and your
threats of specious and frivolous litigation resulted in enormous cost
to the district. You have yet to present the facts either through a
press release, one of your 'alerts' or through any other means. You
used this red herring to attempt to collect money through the form of
donations," the district's lawyer, Eileen A. Brownlee, wrote in a
letter to Mathew D. Staver, president of the Liberty Counsel.
The letter chronologically details contacts with the group, which had
named the district's Ridgeway Elementary School winter program as its
"exhibit A" in the "war on Christmas."
Staver on Wednesday called the district's requests "ridiculous," and
said if the district had simply contacted Liberty Counsel directly
after its first letter, the entire affair might have been cleared up
immediately.
Nothing more than the usual "song and dance" by the Reich wing propaganda
machine!
It was Liberty Councils reponsibility to contact the school board BEFORE
reporting the lies and crap they spread.
But Diane Messer, Dodgeville superintendent, said the group never asked
for a reply or for an explanation in its first letter, never checked
its facts and even got its final statement wrong, when it issued a
press release incorrectly claiming the school "dumps" a song, "Cold in
the Night," and "returns" to "Silent Night."
Contrary to Liberty Counsel's information in a string of press
releases, "From the beginning," wrote Messer to the group Dec. 13, "the
program has included the singing of religious songs with their original
lyrics. Yes, 'Silent Night' will be sung. 'Cold in the Night' will not
be sung." Instead, that song was narrated.
Messer, in an interview Wednesday, said Liberty Counsel exploited
incorrect information for a publicity advantage, disregarding the
truth.
Gee ...... now there's a surprise
..........................................NOT!
In one press release, Staver said the school district "intentionally
mocks Christian Christmas songs."
Comments like this were "what in part incensed our district and our
School Board," said Messer.
Good! Sue the bastards and show them for what they really are; nothing but a
bunch of sleezy fanatics!
"We answered his question, he chose to frame it differently, focusing
on 'Silent Night.' As a result, that is where he made his errors. That
and . . . not verifying the facts of the matter.
Fanatical (alleged) christians don't need no facts ............ they only
get in the way of the propaganda!
"I am surprised that he has chosen this approach, since he is
representing a Christian organization that certainly would uphold the
Ten Commandments. He is not honoring the commandment that thou shalt
not bear false witness."
Nor do they need the ten commandments, when THEY get in the way of the
propaganda!
Staver was unapologetic.
"I wish they would have called" in response to his first letter, Staver
said.
"Hindsight is 20/20. I wish they would have let us know about their
press release on their Web site. Communication would have been very
helpful. That is why we sent the first letter," he said.
More song and dance. Not only was it HIS responsiblity to check the fact
BEFORE bellowing lies - the web site was NOT the only place used - press
releases WERE issued, that this insane fanatic, obviously, ignored.
Messer provided a copy of the letter from Liberty Counsel as evidence,
that the letter did not request a reply, information or explanation. It
did say, "Please contact us if we can assist you in changing current
practices or policies in the district."
"assist in changing" Who the ***** do these brown shirts think they are?
Staver continued to claim that "Messer and the rest of the school
should have or could have and were requested to call us to resolve any
alleged misunderstandings that they say there might have been, but they
did not do it."
It is NOT the responsiblity of a person, or group, to correct blatnat lies
spread by propaganda machines - it is up to those bellowing the crap to
CHECK THE FACTS before they bellow!
The group describes itself as a "national public interest law firm
specializing in constitutional law, particularly free speech, religious
freedom and church-state matters." The group, registered in Wisconsin
as a tax-exempt charitable organization, is also active in legal
battles against gay marriage and abortion.
They also describe themselves as "christian" .......... obviously even thier
own basic declarations are nothing but lies and propaganda.
The story was bandied about by national and local columnists and on a
national conservative television show. After an initial round of
exposure based on the Liberty Counsel release and resultant barrage of
e-mails and calls to the school, the media reported the
headline-grabbing accusation, that a hallowed Christmas carol had been
"secularized" by the Dodgeville School District, was false.
A lie, particularly when spread by the Reich wing, "christo-nazis"
propaganda machines, spreads one hell of a lot faster than the truth!
Staver blamed the district for the confusion.
"They never clarified any (issue) until we were well into this matter,
and now they say they have incurred costs. They ought to be glad they
didn't incur a lawsuit," said Staver.
Of course blaming the other person is another propaganda method.
The son's-o-bitches never clarified their crap before they bellowed it!
"It is ridiculous they even think we would pay a bill."
Bill?
Get your head out of your *****, dipshit, it's a LAWSUIT!
You will pay if the judge finds you guilty of this blatant, and corrupt,
smear campaign.
The bill, described by Messer as " compensation for damages on behalf
of our taxpayers," includes $20,376.43 in compensation costs for 469.5
hours put in by district staff, $2,539.65 for law enforcement, $407.40
for buses and $576 for lawyer fees.
Though the Liberty Counsel said in its first letter it had been
contacted by "concerned parents" in the Dodgeville School District, and
in another letter it had been contacted by "additional parents" in the
district, Messer said no parents complained directly to the district.
Which, along with the other information presented, indicates that thisd is
nothing more than yet another lie!
Staver said his group's broad concern was the school policy on
"ceremonies and observations, religious holidays," which he said was
"problematic."
To whom?
Religious fanatics who invent and spread outrageous lies - or to the
Constitution and all the people the school board represents?
The policy in part says that materials and activities cannot "promote
religion," and plays cannot be used to "convey religious messages."
"Plainly," the group accused, "someone misunderstood the policy to mean
that 'Silent Night' could not be sung because it conveys a religious
message."
Plainly, the Reich wing fanatical "anti-christ" christians keep getting more
and more insane and corrupt!
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