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"Desdinova" |
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19 Jun 2004 05:17:37 PM |
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School Prayer |
For those who complain about the lack of school prayer, even though no-one
is prevented from praying, I propose the following:
Hold school prayer *requiring* each faith to be represented, on a rotating
basis. Christian one day then Jewish, Muslim, Wicca, Satanist, Buddhist,
Zoroastrian, etc. Just see how long that lasts! Once they get to the first
non judeo-christian day it will be all over.
All they really want is exclusively Christian Prayer in schools.
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Desdinova - AA #2182
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EAC Director of Covert Ops and Black Helicopter Pilot
There are none so blind as those who view life filtered
through the stained glass of church windows.
"Christianity has such a contemptible opinion of human
nature that it does not believe a man can tell the truth
unless frightened by a belief in God. No lower opinion
of the human race has ever been expressed."
-- Robert Green Ingersoll
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| User: "Mike Painter" |
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| Title: Re: School Prayer |
19 Jun 2004 06:04:10 PM |
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"Desdinova" <Desdinova@nospamindy.rr.com> wrote in message
news:5Y2Bc.127828$DG4.351@fe2.columbus.rr.com...
For those who complain about the lack of school prayer, even though no-one
is prevented from praying, I propose the following:
Hold school prayer *requiring* each faith to be represented, on a rotating
basis. Christian one day then Jewish, Muslim, Wicca, Satanist, Buddhist,
Zoroastrian, etc. Just see how long that lasts! Once they get to the first
non judeo-christian day it will be all over.
All they really want is exclusively Christian Prayer in schools.
If not the first then definitely the one involving the alter the stone
knife and the virgin (This year a boy, next year a girl).
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| User: "Lord Calvert" |
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20 Jun 2004 01:05:10 PM |
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All they really want is exclusively Christian Prayer in schools.
If not the first then definitely the one involving the alter the stone
knife and the virgin (This year a boy, next year a girl).
Oh please...just where are they going to find a virgin in a public school
nowadays? :}
Rich Goranson, Amherst, NY, USA (aa#MCMXCIX, a-vet#1)
EAC Department of Applied Rattan Use
"Without faith we might relapse into scientific or rational thinking, which
leads by a slippery slope toward constitutional democracy." - Robert Anton
Wilson
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| User: "Daniel Kolle" |
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20 Jun 2004 03:33:14 PM |
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On 20 Jun 2004 18:05:10 GMT, forlornh@aol.complicated (Lord Calvert)
thought hard and said:
All they really want is exclusively Christian Prayer in schools.
If not the first then definitely the one involving the alter the stone
knife and the virgin (This year a boy, next year a girl).
Oh please...just where are they going to find a virgin in a public school
nowadays? :}
Seriously. A preacher's daughter at school got knocked up a few months
back and is now pregnant.
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-Daniel "Mr. Brevity" Kolle; 16 A.A. #2035
Koji Kondo, Yo-Yo Ma, Gustav Mahler, Krzysztof Penderecki, and Geirr Tviett are my Gods.
Head of EAC Denial Department and Madly Insane Scientist.
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| User: "Gregory Gadow" |
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| Title: Re: School Prayer |
21 Jun 2004 08:43:34 AM |
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Mike Painter wrote:
"Desdinova" <Desdinova@nospamindy.rr.com> wrote in message
news:5Y2Bc.127828$DG4.351@fe2.columbus.rr.com...
For those who complain about the lack of school prayer, even though no-one
is prevented from praying, I propose the following:
Hold school prayer *requiring* each faith to be represented, on a rotating
basis. Christian one day then Jewish, Muslim, Wicca, Satanist, Buddhist,
Zoroastrian, etc. Just see how long that lasts! Once they get to the first
non judeo-christian day it will be all over.
All they really want is exclusively Christian Prayer in schools.
If not the first then definitely the one involving the alter the stone
knife and the virgin (This year a boy, next year a girl).
Psst! In most cases of virgin sacrifices -- in Europe, at least -- the "knife"
was purely symbolic. More woody than stone or metal, if you know what I mean.
--
Gregory Gadow for Washington State House
Independent, District 43
http://www.gregory-gadow.info
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| User: "Steve Knight" |
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| Title: Re: School Prayer |
19 Jun 2004 09:27:14 PM |
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On Sat, 19 Jun 2004 23:04:10 GMT, "Mike Painter"
<mddotpainter@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
"Desdinova" <Desdinova@nospamindy.rr.com> wrote in message
news:5Y2Bc.127828$DG4.351@fe2.columbus.rr.com...
For those who complain about the lack of school prayer, even though no-one
is prevented from praying, I propose the following:
Hold school prayer *requiring* each faith to be represented, on a rotating
basis. Christian one day then Jewish, Muslim, Wicca, Satanist, Buddhist,
Zoroastrian, etc. Just see how long that lasts! Once they get to the first
non judeo-christian day it will be all over.
All they really want is exclusively Christian Prayer in schools.
If not the first then definitely the one involving the alter the stone
knife and the virgin (This year a boy, next year a girl).
Personally, I prefer the sexual frenzy during Easter. But that's
just me.
Warlord Steve
BAAWA
www.sonic.net/~wooly
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| User: "Enkidu" |
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20 Jun 2004 08:30:10 AM |
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In article <pit9d0trcg4vli839hfhlbo6k7iug3qf8b@4ax.com>,
whooly@sonic.net says...
On Sat, 19 Jun 2004 23:04:10 GMT, "Mike Painter"
<mddotpainter@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
"Desdinova" <Desdinova@nospamindy.rr.com> wrote in message
news:5Y2Bc.127828$DG4.351@fe2.columbus.rr.com...
For those who complain about the lack of school prayer, even though no-one
is prevented from praying, I propose the following:
Hold school prayer *requiring* each faith to be represented, on a rotating
basis. Christian one day then Jewish, Muslim, Wicca, Satanist, Buddhist,
Zoroastrian, etc. Just see how long that lasts! Once they get to the first
non judeo-christian day it will be all over.
All they really want is exclusively Christian Prayer in schools.
If not the first then definitely the one involving the alter the stone
knife and the virgin (This year a boy, next year a girl).
Personally, I prefer the sexual frenzy during Easter. But that's
just me.
The high school students wouldn't mind!
--
Enkidu - AA# 2165
"Today, the theory of evolution is an accepted fact for
everyone but a fundamentalist minority, whose objections
are based not on reasoning but on doctrinaire adherence
to religious principles"
James D. Watson
http://www.nobel.se/medicine/laureates/1962/watson-bio.html
"The Astonishing Hypothesis is that `You,' your joys and
your sorrows, your memories and your ambitions, your
sense of personal identity and free will, are in fact no
more than the behavior of a vast assembly of nerve cells
and their associated molecules."
Francis Crick
http://www.nobel.se/medicine/laureates/1962/crick-bio.html
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| User: "Jez" |
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| Title: Re: School Prayer |
23 Jun 2004 06:08:27 AM |
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"Desdinova" <Desdinova@nospamindy.rr.com> wrote in message
news:5Y2Bc.127828$DG4.351@fe2.columbus.rr.com...
For those who complain about the lack of school prayer, even though no-one
is prevented from praying, I propose the following:
Hold school prayer *requiring* each faith to be represented, on a rotating
basis. Christian one day then Jewish, Muslim, Wicca, Satanist, Buddhist,
Zoroastrian, etc. Just see how long that lasts! Once they get to the first
non judeo-christian day it will be all over.
All they really want is exclusively Christian Prayer in schools.
We had school prayers...and bloody hymn singing every morening
in our comprehensive school........
Sure fire way to turn children off religion !!
--
Jez
"The condition of alienation, of being asleep, of being unconscious,
of being out of one's mind, is the condition of the normal man. Society
highly values its normal man.It educates children to lose themselves
and to become absurd,and thus to be normal. Normal men have killed
perhaps 100,000,000 of their fellow normal men in the last fifty years."
R.D. Laing
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| User: "Mike Painter" |
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| Title: Re: School Prayer |
23 Jun 2004 12:19:18 PM |
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"Jez" <iced_spear@AwaySPAMdsl.pipex.com> wrote in message
news:40d9648b$0$290$cc9e4d1f@news-text.dial.pipex.com...
"Desdinova" <Desdinova@nospamindy.rr.com> wrote in message
news:5Y2Bc.127828$DG4.351@fe2.columbus.rr.com...
For those who complain about the lack of school prayer, even though
no-one
is prevented from praying, I propose the following:
Hold school prayer *requiring* each faith to be represented, on a
rotating
basis. Christian one day then Jewish, Muslim, Wicca, Satanist, Buddhist,
Zoroastrian, etc. Just see how long that lasts! Once they get to the
first
non judeo-christian day it will be all over.
All they really want is exclusively Christian Prayer in schools.
We had school prayers...and bloody hymn singing every morening
in our comprehensive school........
Sure fire way to turn children off religion !!
I went to a Catholic boarding school and we had mass five times a week. The
most popular priest was the one who could get through the Latin the
quickest. Most spoke so fast that even if we could have spoken the language
we probably would not have understood it.
Of all those mornings the only one I remember was when a guy started to lean
back to rest his butt on a pew, or so I though. The thought went through my
head that he was not going to make it, and he didn't. Passed out right on
the floor.
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| User: "nobody" |
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| Title: Re: School Prayer |
20 Jun 2004 07:30:23 AM |
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"Desdinova" <Desdinova@nospamindy.rr.com> wrote:
For those who complain about the lack of school prayer, even though no-one
is prevented from praying, I propose the following:
Hold school prayer *requiring* each faith to be represented, on a rotating
basis. Christian one day then Jewish, Muslim, Wicca, Satanist, Buddhist,
Zoroastrian, etc. Just see how long that lasts! Once they get to the first
non judeo-christian day it will be all over.
All they really want is exclusively Christian Prayer in schools.
You are treading dangerous waters. One need not require *each* faith
to be represented. What if the religious called for school sanctioned
prayer representing the religions of the parents of the children
attending that school/classroom only? Would you be willing to
compromise at that? Why/why not?
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| User: "Jenny6833A" |
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| Title: Re: School Prayer |
20 Jun 2004 08:15:27 AM |
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nobody says
What if the religious called for school sanctioned
prayer representing the religions of the parents of the children
attending that school/classroom only? Would you be willing to
compromise at that?
No. It would be an incentive to drive kids from minority religions out of the
classroom/school.
:-)
Jenny
Before emailing, remove Clothes
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| User: "Mike Painter" |
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| Title: Re: School Prayer |
20 Jun 2004 01:10:17 PM |
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"Jenny6833A" <jenny6833a@aol.comClothes> wrote in message
news:20040620091527.05916.00000354@mb-m05.aol.com...
nobody says
What if the religious called for school sanctioned
prayer representing the religions of the parents of the children
attending that school/classroom only? Would you be willing to
compromise at that?
No. It would be an incentive to drive kids from minority religions out of
the
classroom/school.
But within the christian religion, and most others, there are minorities.
We could suggest that we atheists would support school prayer when there was
only One True Church and all christians agreed with all of it. Instead of
21,000 different sects, there would be just one.
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| User: "The Plasmatron" |
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| Title: Re: School Prayer |
20 Jun 2004 04:56:00 PM |
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On Sun, 20 Jun 2004 18:10:17 GMT Mike Painter <mddotpainter@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
"Jenny6833A" <jenny6833a@aol.comClothes> wrote in message
news:20040620091527.05916.00000354@mb-m05.aol.com...
nobody says
What if the religious called for school sanctioned
prayer representing the religions of the parents of the children
attending that school/classroom only? Would you be willing to
compromise at that?
No. It would be an incentive to drive kids from minority religions out of
the
classroom/school.
But within the christian religion, and most others, there are minorities.
We could suggest that we atheists would support school prayer when there was
only One True Church and all christians agreed with all of it. Instead of
21,000 different sects, there would be just one.
Something serious: How about if they're going to force everyone to pray
everyone should also be forced to take a critical thinking course? If they
don't turn away from their religion they'll at least be a little less likely
to come up with their own version of pascal's fucking wager.
--
The Left Reverend Plasmatron at hotpop com
"Never express yourself more clearly than you are able to think"
- Niels Bohr
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| User: "Mike Painter" |
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| Title: Re: School Prayer |
20 Jun 2004 07:42:26 PM |
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"The Plasmatron" <plasmatron@sickof.spam> wrote in message
news:cb515g$4vi$4@vegh.ks.cc.utah.edu...
On Sun, 20 Jun 2004 18:10:17 GMT Mike Painter <mddotpainter@sbcglobal.net>
wrote:
"Jenny6833A" <jenny6833a@aol.comClothes> wrote in message
news:20040620091527.05916.00000354@mb-m05.aol.com...
nobody says
What if the religious called for school sanctioned
prayer representing the religions of the parents of the children
attending that school/classroom only? Would you be willing to
compromise at that?
No. It would be an incentive to drive kids from minority religions out
of
the
classroom/school.
But within the christian religion, and most others, there are
minorities.
We could suggest that we atheists would support school prayer when there
was
only One True Church and all christians agreed with all of it. Instead
of
21,000 different sects, there would be just one.
Something serious: How about if they're going to force everyone to
pray
everyone should also be forced to take a critical thinking course? If
they
don't turn away from their religion they'll at least be a little less
likely
to come up with their own version of pascal's fucking wager.
Who would teach it?
When the so called "New Math" hit the schools I thought it was wonderful.
Math taught by solving problems and thinking rather than by rote.
The teachers didn't understand it and ended up trying to teach it by rote.
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| User: "The Plasmatron" |
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20 Jun 2004 08:56:41 PM |
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On Mon, 21 Jun 2004 00:42:26 GMT Mike Painter <mddotpainter@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
"The Plasmatron" <plasmatron@sickof.spam> wrote in message
news:cb515g$4vi$4@vegh.ks.cc.utah.edu...
On Sun, 20 Jun 2004 18:10:17 GMT Mike Painter <mddotpainter@sbcglobal.net>
wrote:
"Jenny6833A" <jenny6833a@aol.comClothes> wrote in message
news:20040620091527.05916.00000354@mb-m05.aol.com...
nobody says
What if the religious called for school sanctioned
prayer representing the religions of the parents of the children
attending that school/classroom only? Would you be willing to
compromise at that?
No. It would be an incentive to drive kids from minority religions out
of
the
classroom/school.
But within the christian religion, and most others, there are
minorities.
We could suggest that we atheists would support school prayer when there
was
only One True Church and all christians agreed with all of it. Instead
of
21,000 different sects, there would be just one.
Something serious: How about if they're going to force everyone to
pray
everyone should also be forced to take a critical thinking course? If
they
don't turn away from their religion they'll at least be a little less
likely
to come up with their own version of pascal's fucking wager.
Who would teach it?
When the so called "New Math" hit the schools I thought it was wonderful.
Math taught by solving problems and thinking rather than by rote.
The teachers didn't understand it and ended up trying to teach it by rote.
Excellent point, unfortunately. I guess that's what we get for
paying teachers less than garbage collectors. Here in Utah we rank
dead last in per-student spending, so I know they won't really learn
jack squat. Damn I wish the world was different.
--
The Left Reverend Plasmatron at hotpop com
"Never express yourself more clearly than you are able to think"
- Niels Bohr
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| User: "John Popelish" |
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| Title: Re: School Prayer |
19 Jun 2004 11:18:49 PM |
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Desdinova wrote:
For those who complain about the lack of school prayer, even though no-one
is prevented from praying, I propose the following:
Hold school prayer *requiring* each faith to be represented, on a rotating
basis. Christian one day then Jewish, Muslim, Wicca, Satanist, Buddhist,
Zoroastrian, etc. Just see how long that lasts! Once they get to the first
non judeo-christian day it will be all over.
All they really want is exclusively Christian Prayer in schools.
Ya think?! ;-)
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John Popelish
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| User: "Gregory Gadow" |
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| Title: Re: School Prayer |
21 Jun 2004 08:41:11 AM |
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Desdinova wrote:
For those who complain about the lack of school prayer, even though no-one
is prevented from praying, I propose the following:
Hold school prayer *requiring* each faith to be represented, on a rotating
basis. Christian one day then Jewish, Muslim, Wicca, Satanist, Buddhist,
Zoroastrian, etc. Just see how long that lasts! Once they get to the first
non judeo-christian day it will be all over.
All they really want is exclusively Christian Prayer in schools.
Exactly. If schools are going to insist on prayer in school, I think Muslim
students should be excused for whatever of the five daily prayers that occur
during the school day. The loudspeakers should be allowed -- nay, required --
to give the Call to Prayer.
Let's see how long such would play out, especially in the South.
--
Gregory Gadow for Washington State House
Independent, District 43
http://www.gregory-gadow.info
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| User: "Phÿltêr" |
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| Title: Re: School Prayer |
21 Jun 2004 10:07:28 AM |
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Gregory Gadow <techbear@serv.net> astounded us with:
news:40D6E577.359158EA@serv.net:
Desdinova wrote:
For those who complain about the lack of school prayer, even though
no-one is prevented from praying, I propose the following:
Hold school prayer *requiring* each faith to be represented, on a
rotating basis. Christian one day then Jewish, Muslim, Wicca, Satanist,
Buddhist, Zoroastrian, etc. Just see how long that lasts! Once they get
to the first non judeo-christian day it will be all over.
All they really want is exclusively Christian Prayer in schools.
Exactly. If schools are going to insist on prayer in school, I think
Muslim students should be excused for whatever of the five daily prayers
that occur during the school day. The loudspeakers should be allowed --
nay, required -- to give the Call to Prayer.
Let's see how long such would play out, especially in the South.
Pfffftt, yeah, right...
--
Phÿltêr
AA#1938
Denizen of Darkness #44 & AFJC Antipodean Attaché
Remove "s" to respond
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| User: "Uncle Dollar Bill" |
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19 Jun 2004 08:58:34 PM |
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In alt.atheism on Sat, 19 Jun 2004 22:17:37 GMT, "Desdinova"
<Desdinova@nospamindy.rr.com> wrote:
For those who complain about the lack of school prayer, even though no-one
is prevented from praying, I propose the following:
Hold school prayer *requiring* each faith to be represented, on a rotating
basis. Christian one day then Jewish, Muslim, Wicca, Satanist, Buddhist,
Zoroastrian, etc. Just see how long that lasts! Once they get to the first
non judeo-christian day it will be all over.
All they really want is exclusively Christian Prayer in schools.
Their argument rests on it being non-specific with regards to any
particular deity. I think a more accurate scenario would be to have
them rotate between "isms" - i.e., monotheism, polytheism, deism,
pantheism, etc... etc... etc... They'd pray to their generic,
"cerimonial deistic" god one day, then to "all the gods who made the
universe" (or some such) the next (it's every bit as deity
non-specific), then to "the creative nature spirits that dreamed the
world into existence" (again, deity non-specific), then to "the one
who lay sleeping and dreaming us into existence"... etc... etc...
etc... I think _that_ sort of idea would be more difficult for them
to refute.
--
L8r,
Uncle Dollar Bill
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All one need do in order to produce evil
is to simply not fight it.
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| User: "Desdinova" |
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19 Jun 2004 06:04:49 PM |
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"Uncle Dollar Bill" <UncleDollarBill@SpamMeNot.com> wrote in message
news:40e5ebae.23711887@newsgroups.bellsouth.net...
In alt.atheism on Sat, 19 Jun 2004 22:17:37 GMT, "Desdinova"
<Desdinova@nospamindy.rr.com> wrote:
For those who complain about the lack of school prayer, even though
no-one
is prevented from praying, I propose the following:
Hold school prayer *requiring* each faith to be represented, on a
rotating
basis. Christian one day then Jewish, Muslim, Wicca, Satanist, Buddhist,
Zoroastrian, etc. Just see how long that lasts! Once they get to the
first
non judeo-christian day it will be all over.
All they really want is exclusively Christian Prayer in schools.
Their argument rests on it being non-specific with regards to any
particular deity. I think a more accurate scenario would be to have
them rotate between "isms" - i.e., monotheism, polytheism, deism,
pantheism, etc... etc... etc... They'd pray to their generic,
"cerimonial deistic" god one day, then to "all the gods who made the
universe" (or some such) the next (it's every bit as deity
non-specific), then to "the creative nature spirits that dreamed the
world into existence" (again, deity non-specific), then to "the one
who lay sleeping and dreaming us into existence"... etc... etc...
etc... I think _that_ sort of idea would be more difficult for them
to refute.
How would they open an invocation to a nonspecific deity?
Dear <lowercase>god</lowercase>. The generic"god" by default, in America,
refers to the Judeo-Christian god? How could they make it non
deity-specific?
--
Desdinova - AA #2182
Remove "nospam" for e-mail
EAC Director of Covert Ops and Black Helicopter Pilot
There are none so blind as those who view life filtered
through the stained glass of church windows.
"Christianity has such a contemptible opinion of human
nature that it does not believe a man can tell the truth
unless frightened by a belief in God. No lower opinion
of the human race has ever been expressed."
-- Robert Green Ingersoll
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| User: "John Popelish" |
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| Title: Re: School Prayer |
19 Jun 2004 11:50:23 PM |
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Desdinova wrote:
How would they open an invocation to a nonspecific deity?
Dear <lowercase>god</lowercase>. The generic"god" by default, in America,
refers to the Judeo-Christian god? How could they make it non
deity-specific?
If there exist any gods or goddesses that desire humans to kiss their
collective asses, to you we humbly pucker and make kissy noises.
Amen.
Do you think the Christians would be satisfied with that?
--
John Popelish
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| User: "Michelle Malkin" |
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| Title: Re: School Prayer |
20 Jun 2004 01:24:16 AM |
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"John Popelish" <jpopelish@rica.net> wrote in message
news:40D5178F.6DC6B745@rica.net...
Desdinova wrote:
How would they open an invocation to a nonspecific deity?
Dear <lowercase>god</lowercase>. The generic"god" by default, in
America,
refers to the Judeo-Christian god? How could they make it non
deity-specific?
If there exist any gods or goddesses that desire humans to kiss their
collective asses, to you we humbly pucker and make kissy noises.
Amen.
Do you think the Christians would be satisfied with that?
Nope, but it certainly made me laugh. :-)
--
^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^
Michelle Malkin (Mickey) aa list#1
alt.atheism atheist/agnostic list name collector
BAAWA Knight & EAC Bible thumper thumper
http://questioner.www2.50megs.com
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John Popelish
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| User: "Uncle Dollar Bill" |
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19 Jun 2004 09:42:28 PM |
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In alt.atheism on Sat, 19 Jun 2004 23:04:49 GMT, "Desdinova"
<Desdinova@nospamindy.rr.com> wrote:
"Uncle Dollar Bill" <UncleDollarBill@SpamMeNot.com> wrote in message
news:40e5ebae.23711887@newsgroups.bellsouth.net...
In alt.atheism on Sat, 19 Jun 2004 22:17:37 GMT, "Desdinova"
<Desdinova@nospamindy.rr.com> wrote:
For those who complain about the lack of school prayer, even though
no-one
is prevented from praying, I propose the following:
Hold school prayer *requiring* each faith to be represented, on a
rotating
basis. Christian one day then Jewish, Muslim, Wicca, Satanist, Buddhist,
Zoroastrian, etc. Just see how long that lasts! Once they get to the
first
non judeo-christian day it will be all over.
All they really want is exclusively Christian Prayer in schools.
Their argument rests on it being non-specific with regards to any
particular deity. I think a more accurate scenario would be to have
them rotate between "isms" - i.e., monotheism, polytheism, deism,
pantheism, etc... etc... etc... They'd pray to their generic,
"cerimonial deistic" god one day, then to "all the gods who made the
universe" (or some such) the next (it's every bit as deity
non-specific), then to "the creative nature spirits that dreamed the
world into existence" (again, deity non-specific), then to "the one
who lay sleeping and dreaming us into existence"... etc... etc...
etc... I think _that_ sort of idea would be more difficult for them
to refute.
How would they open an invocation to a nonspecific deity?
Dear <lowercase>god</lowercase>. The generic"god" by default, in America,
refers to the Judeo-Christian god?
You know that, and I know that. They, however, simply _refuse_ to
admit it. That's where the problem lay.
How could they make it non deity-specific?
By continuing to lie and say "God" means "any god" and not just "God".
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19 Jun 2004 09:45:29 PM |
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In alt.atheism on Sun, 20 Jun 2004 02:42:28 GMT,
UncleDollarBill@SpamMeNot.com (Uncle Dollar Bill) wrote:
<snip>
How could they make it non deity-specific?
They could also refer to it as "our creator" or "the one who gives us
guidance". My idea isn't so much to convince them of the error of
their ways by showing them where they're wrong in their claims about
the use of "God", but to point out that even if we were to all buy
their definition of "God" as "any god", it would _still_ be religious
discrimination.
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Uncle Dollar Bill
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19 Jun 2004 06:47:53 PM |
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"Uncle Dollar Bill" <UncleDollarBill@SpamMeNot.com> wrote in message
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In alt.atheism on Sun, 20 Jun 2004 02:42:28 GMT,
UncleDollarBill@SpamMeNot.com (Uncle Dollar Bill) wrote:
<snip>
How could they make it non deity-specific?
They could also refer to it as "our creator" or "the one who gives us
guidance". My idea isn't so much to convince them of the error of
their ways by showing them where they're wrong in their claims about
the use of "God", but to point out that even if we were to all buy
their definition of "God" as "any god", it would _still_ be religious
discrimination.
Indeed.
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through the stained glass of church windows.
"Christianity has such a contemptible opinion of human
nature that it does not believe a man can tell the truth
unless frightened by a belief in God. No lower opinion
of the human race has ever been expressed."
-- Robert Green Ingersoll
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| User: "John M Price PhD" |
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| Title: Re: School Prayer |
19 Jun 2004 07:11:53 PM |
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In alt.atheism article <40e9f9c7.27321297@newsgroups.bellsouth.net> Uncle Dollar Bill <UncleDollarBill@spammenot.com> wrote:
: In alt.atheism on Sun, 20 Jun 2004 02:42:28 GMT,
: (Uncle Dollar Bill) wrote:
: <snip>
: >>How could they make it non deity-specific?
: They could also refer to it as "our creator" or "the one who gives us
: guidance".
I actually liked 'Author of the Universe' back in my theistic days.
Perhaps teh only reasonable thing to come out of $cientology.
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Liberals created that term 50 years ago.
- Santa Fe, Texas, School Board member Robin Clayton
on the concept of 'separation of church and state.'
Believing with you that religion is a matter which lies solely between man
and his God, that he owes account to none other for his faith or his
worship, that the legislative powers of government reach actions only, and
not opinions, I contemplate with soveriegn reverence that act of the whole
American people which declared that their legislature should 'make no law
respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise
thereof,' thus building a wall of separation between church and State."
- Thomas Jefferson, in a letter to the Danbury Baptist Association,
January 1, 1802
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| User: "The Plasmatron" |
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20 Jun 2004 04:39:47 PM |
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On Sun, 20 Jun 2004 02:45:29 GMT Uncle Dollar Bill <UncleDollarBill@SpamMeNot.com> wrote:
In alt.atheism on Sun, 20 Jun 2004 02:42:28 GMT,
UncleDollarBill@SpamMeNot.com (Uncle Dollar Bill) wrote:
<snip>
How could they make it non deity-specific?
They could also refer to it as "our creator" or "the one who gives us
guidance". My idea isn't so much to convince them of the error of
their ways by showing them where they're wrong in their claims about
the use of "God", but to point out that even if we were to all buy
their definition of "God" as "any god", it would _still_ be religious
discrimination.
Our creater. Fech. I was created in my mother's womb, with a
tiny bit of help from my father. I get guidence from other humans
that I look up to. What a bunch of morons to assume everyone gets
guidence from some bunch of made up stories. Well... Then again
I do go to Robert Heinlein's books for guidence a lot... ;)
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The Left Reverend Plasmatron at hotpop com
"Never express yourself more clearly than you are able to think"
- Niels Bohr
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| User: "The Plasmatron" |
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20 Jun 2004 04:36:11 PM |
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On Sat, 19 Jun 2004 22:17:37 GMT Desdinova <Desdinova@nospamindy.rr.com> wrote:
For those who complain about the lack of school prayer, even though no-one
is prevented from praying, I propose the following:
Hold school prayer *requiring* each faith to be represented, on a rotating
basis. Christian one day then Jewish, Muslim, Wicca, Satanist, Buddhist,
Zoroastrian, etc. Just see how long that lasts! Once they get to the first
non judeo-christian day it will be all over.
All they really want is exclusively Christian Prayer in schools.
I would still LOVE to see the pantheist day :)
"I'm God, you're God, we're all God. Let's take responsibility for our
lives and turn this world into a paradise!" - Followed by the lynching
because anyone who can stand the thought to taking responsiblity for
anything would NEVER become a christian.
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The Left Reverend Plasmatron at hotpop com
"Never express yourself more clearly than you are able to think"
- Niels Bohr
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| User: "" |
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19 Jun 2004 09:10:33 PM |
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On Sat, 19 Jun 2004 22:17:37 GMT, "Desdinova"
<Desdinova@nospamindy.rr.com> wrote:
For those who complain about the lack of school prayer, even though no-one
is prevented from praying, I propose the following:
Hold school prayer *requiring* each faith to be represented, on a rotating
basis. Christian one day then Jewish, Muslim, Wicca, Satanist, Buddhist,
Zoroastrian, etc. Just see how long that lasts! Once they get to the first
non judeo-christian day it will be all over.
All they really want is exclusively Christian Prayer in schools.
Allow a little satire, please:
Plus it would take too much effort to include *all* faiths. Could you
imagine having to find all the different prayers and permutations
thereof? Why not get them all on one CD and speed them up
electronically like the disclaimers at the end of practically all
radio ads we hear these days? That way it would take only a few
minutes, and even though satisfying the word of such a law, be totally
incomprendable to any listener?
That way, we can comply with the law and evade it simultaneously. {:>)
(smirk, too)
HaaHaa!
drift
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| User: "Desdinova" |
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19 Jun 2004 10:57:02 PM |
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<drift@lost.net> wrote in message
news:s0s9d0t8obo20alepu6b462cmsnk5uakvk@4ax.com...
On Sat, 19 Jun 2004 22:17:37 GMT, "Desdinova"
<Desdinova@nospamindy.rr.com> wrote:
For those who complain about the lack of school prayer, even though
no-one
is prevented from praying, I propose the following:
Hold school prayer *requiring* each faith to be represented, on a
rotating
basis. Christian one day then Jewish, Muslim, Wicca, Satanist, Buddhist,
Zoroastrian, etc. Just see how long that lasts! Once they get to the
first
non judeo-christian day it will be all over.
All they really want is exclusively Christian Prayer in schools.
Allow a little satire, please:
Plus it would take too much effort to include *all* faiths. Could you
imagine having to find all the different prayers and permutations
thereof? Why not get them all on one CD and speed them up
electronically like the disclaimers at the end of practically all
radio ads we hear these days? That way it would take only a few
minutes, and even though satisfying the word of such a law, be totally
incomprendable to any listener?
That way, we can comply with the law and evade it simultaneously. {:>)
(smirk, too)
HaaHaa!
Such as:
DearGodAmen. Results not typical. Actual results may very. Void where
prohibited. Take as directed. May cause coughing, sneezing, constipation,
headache and mild death.
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Desdinova - AA #2182
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There are none so blind as those who view life filtered
through the stained glass of church windows.
"Christianity has such a contemptible opinion of human
nature that it does not believe a man can tell the truth
unless frightened by a belief in God. No lower opinion
of the human race has ever been expressed."
-- Robert Green Ingersoll
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