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21 Feb 2004 03:12:45 PM |
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Schwarzenegger: Stop Gay Marriages Now! |
Same-sex marriage license rush slows down
SAN FRANCISCO, California (CNN) --San Francisco Mayor Gavin Newsom
shut off the same-sex marriage license pipeline over the weekend, but
will reopen the city clerk's office Monday for business as usual --
with marriage licenses issued by appointment only.
Since the city began allowing gays and lesbians to get marriage
licenses nine days ago, it has issued more than 3,000.
Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger addressed the issue at the state's
Republican convention in Burlingame, California, just outside San
Francisco, warning the city to stop issuing marriage licenses to
same-sex couples in defiance of state law.
"Today I have sent a letter to Attorney General Bill Lockyer asking
him to move as quickly as possible on behalf of the state ... to
resolve the issues underlying San Francisco's lawsuit against the
state," Schwarzenegger said.
"While we wait for the courts to act, it's time for the city of San
Francisco to start respecting state law. It is time for the city to
stop traveling down this dangerous path of ignoring the rule of law."
For the second time this week, a judge Friday denied a request by
conservative groups to issue a temporary restraining order against the
city to stop it from issuing same-sex marriage licenses.
San Francisco County Superior Court Judge Ronald Quidachay Friday also
ruled that the two lawsuits against the city -- and the city's lawsuit
against the state, challenging the law banning same-sex marriage --
could be combined into one case.
The judge did not set a date for arguments to begin in the
consolidated case, and did not indicate which judge might hear it.
Quidachay's decision means that the city can continue issuing marriage
licenses to same-sex couples.
As the legal fray unfolded, the wedding ceremonies continued Friday at
City Hall, where city workers ushered 100 more same-sex couples into
the rotunda. Hundreds of other couples awaited their turns in a line
that circled the building.
Lawsuits filed by the Campaign for California Families, the
Proposition 22 Legal Defense and Education Fund and other groups
contend that the city's issuing of same-sex marriage licenses violates
state law and should be stopped immediately.
Thursday, the city filed its own lawsuit, charging that a state law
that defines marriage as being between one man and one woman violates
California's constitution.
City Attorney Dennis Herrera said the suit also names the petitioners
that have filed lawsuits against the city.
The goal of the lawsuit, he said, is to ensure that the
constitutionality question of gay and lesbian marriage is addressed by
the courts.
Schwarzenegger stated on his Web site that marriage certificates
issued to same-sex couples do not meet state legal standards that
require that a marriage be between a man and a woman.
"The attorney general has assured me that he will vigorously defend
the constitutionality of the law in the case brought against the state
by San Francisco," the governor's statement said.
Attorney General Lockyer posted a statement on his Web site saying
that it was "the duty of my office to defend that law against this
challenge by the city and county of San Francisco, and allow the
courts to determine whether the city has acted illegally."
But, he said, his own opinions lean decidedly to equality.
"As a lifelong defender of civil rights, due process and equal
protection for all, I do not personally support policies that give
lesser legal rights and responsibilities to committed same-sex couples
than those provided to heterosexual couples," he said.
"That is why I have and continue to strongly support extending the
benefits and responsibilities of marriage to same-sex couples through
domestic partnerships and civil union statutes," he said.
CNN Correspondents Rusty Dornin and David Mattingly contributed to
this story
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22 Feb 2004 06:07:20 AM |
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I think Schwarzenegger may have a valid point.
Remember when the Alabama Supreme Court Justice put the 10 Commandments
monument in the Court building? Of course it was illegal from the get-go.
State property can't be used to push the teachings of a particular religion,
and since no other religious works were allowed to be displayed with the 10
Commandments monument, it was just plain illegal.
The Alabama Judge said his action was legal, based on his interpretation of
the Alabama Constitution. The San Francisco Mayor says his action is
legal, based on the California Constitution. While I'm wholeheartedly in
favor of gay marriage and civil unions, I kinda think that in the interest
of the rule of law, maybe the Mayor shouldn't be doing what he's doing.
What do y'all think?
--Tock
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| User: "jwk" |
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25 Feb 2004 01:01:13 AM |
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<tock@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message news:<YX0_b.23617$6O3.15479@newssvr24.news.prodigy.com>...
I think Schwarzenegger may have a valid point.
Remember when the Alabama Supreme Court Justice put the 10 Commandments
monument in the Court building? Of course it was illegal from the get-go.
State property can't be used to push the teachings of a particular religion,
and since no other religious works were allowed to be displayed with the 10
Commandments monument, it was just plain illegal.
The Alabama Judge said his action was legal, based on his interpretation of
the Alabama Constitution. The San Francisco Mayor says his action is
legal, based on the California Constitution. While I'm wholeheartedly in
favor of gay marriage and civil unions, I kinda think that in the interest
of the rule of law, maybe the Mayor shouldn't be doing what he's doing.
What do y'all think?
Ø --Tock
Nope. In one case you had a judge insisting that his state
constitution overruled the US constitution (as interpreted by the
courts). In the other you have a mayor insisting that a "law"
violates the state constitution. The first guy (Moore) was obviously
full of *****. The second has a valid point. If he is correct then he
would have been negligent to deny gays the right to marriage based
upon an unconstitutional law.
jwk
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| User: "L. Michael Roberts" |
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22 Feb 2004 10:13:21 AM |
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I think Schwarzenegger may have a valid point.
Remember when the Alabama Supreme Court Justice put the 10 Commandments
monument in the Court building? Of course it was illegal from the get-go.
State property can't be used to push the teachings of a particular religion,
and since no other religious works were allowed to be displayed with the 10
Commandments monument, it was just plain illegal.
The Alabama Judge said his action was legal, based on his interpretation of
the Alabama Constitution. The San Francisco Mayor says his action is
legal, based on the California Constitution. While I'm wholeheartedly in
favor of gay marriage and civil unions, I kinda think that in the interest
of the rule of law, maybe the Mayor shouldn't be doing what he's doing.
What do y'all think?
In order to challenge an unconstitutional law [or one that you believe
is unconstitutional], you have to get the matter before the courts. In
order to get the mater before the courts, starting with the lowest
courts, you have to have "standing". You can't just walk in and claim a
law is unconstitutional as the courts have better things to do than hear
speculative arguments.
To get "standing" to bing an action, you have to show that the law
affects *you* directly. The best way to do this is to break the law in
question while being ready and willing to take the consequences. Once
yo have broken the law, then the matter can come before the courts and
work it's way up to the top/supreme courts if necessary.
It would have been possible to get standing before the courts by only
marrying one same-sex couple. The larger the group of people who have
"standing" in an action, the better it it is as sometime people drop out
due to financial or other reasons... or even die during the court
proceedings which can take decades. Joining the group in an action as a
"class" insure there will be plenty of representatives of the class in
the even that some drop out of the case for one reason or another.
Personally, I think that the sheer numbers of SSM in SF shows the
general public the pent-up demand and the faces of those who are in line
to get married. This has demonstrated that gays are not just some evil
"them" to be feared, but has put a human face and perspective on the issue.
--
+==================== L. Michael Roberts ======================+
This represents my personal opinion and NOT Company policy
Goderich, Ont, Canada. To reply, post a request for my valid E-mail
"Life is a sexually transmitted, terminal, condition"
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22 Feb 2004 06:39:18 PM |
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"L. Michael Roberts" <L_Michael_Roberts@NoSpamThanks.net> wrote in message
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tock@sbcglobal.net wrote:
I think Schwarzenegger may have a valid point.
Remember when the Alabama Supreme Court Justice put the 10 Commandments
monument in the Court building? Of course it was illegal from the
get-go.
State property can't be used to push the teachings of a particular
religion,
and since no other religious works were allowed to be displayed with the
10
Commandments monument, it was just plain illegal.
The Alabama Judge said his action was legal, based on his interpretation
of
the Alabama Constitution. The San Francisco Mayor says his action is
legal, based on the California Constitution. While I'm wholeheartedly
in
favor of gay marriage and civil unions, I kinda think that in the
interest
of the rule of law, maybe the Mayor shouldn't be doing what he's doing.
What do y'all think?
In order to challenge an unconstitutional law [or one that you believe
is unconstitutional], you have to get the matter before the courts. In
order to get the mater before the courts, starting with the lowest
courts, you have to have "standing". You can't just walk in and claim a
law is unconstitutional as the courts have better things to do than hear
speculative arguments.
To get "standing" to bing an action, you have to show that the law
affects *you* directly. The best way to do this is to break the law in
question while being ready and willing to take the consequences. Once
yo have broken the law, then the matter can come before the courts and
work it's way up to the top/supreme courts if necessary.
It would have been possible to get standing before the courts by only
marrying one same-sex couple. The larger the group of people who have
"standing" in an action, the better it it is as sometime people drop out
due to financial or other reasons... or even die during the court
proceedings which can take decades. Joining the group in an action as a
"class" insure there will be plenty of representatives of the class in
the even that some drop out of the case for one reason or another.
Personally, I think that the sheer numbers of SSM in SF shows the
general public the pent-up demand and the faces of those who are in line
to get married. This has demonstrated that gays are not just some evil
"them" to be feared, but has put a human face and perspective on the
issue.
As far as "standing" goes, wouldn't any gay couple denied a marriage license
have standing to sue? If the first court ruled against them, they could
always appeal, and so forth. A dozen or so couples could organize an
effort, or perhaps several thousand could do so, all of them being turned
away from getting a license.
It just seems to me that the gay community may be doing the exact same
thing, for the same reasons, as the Alabama "10 Commandments" judge did.
Tried to do an end run around the legal system.
--Tock
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| User: "L. Michael Roberts" |
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23 Feb 2004 01:12:08 AM |
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"L. Michael Roberts" <L_Michael_Roberts@NoSpamThanks.net> wrote in message
news:Ix4_b.6173$Ks6.107265@nnrp1.uunet.ca...
wrote:
<snip>
In order to challenge an unconstitutional law [or one that you believe
is unconstitutional], you have to get the matter before the courts. In
order to get the mater before the courts, starting with the lowest
courts, you have to have "standing". You can't just walk in and claim a
law is unconstitutional as the courts have better things to do than hear
speculative arguments.
To get "standing" to bing an action, you have to show that the law
affects *you* directly. The best way to do this is to break the law in
question while being ready and willing to take the consequences. Once
yo have broken the law, then the matter can come before the courts and
work it's way up to the top/supreme courts if necessary.
It would have been possible to get standing before the courts by only
marrying one same-sex couple. The larger the group of people who have
"standing" in an action, the better it it is as sometime people drop out
due to financial or other reasons... or even die during the court
proceedings which can take decades. Joining the group in an action as a
"class" insure there will be plenty of representatives of the class in
the even that some drop out of the case for one reason or another.
Personally, I think that the sheer numbers of SSM in SF shows the
general public the pent-up demand and the faces of those who are in line
to get married. This has demonstrated that gays are not just some evil
"them" to be feared, but has put a human face and perspective on the
issue.
As far as "standing" goes, wouldn't any gay couple denied a marriage license
have standing to sue? If the first court ruled against them, they could
always appeal, and so forth. A dozen or so couples could organize an
effort, or perhaps several thousand could do so, all of them being turned
away from getting a license.
Yes. AFAIK the cases in the four other states were brought by couples
that applied for a marriage license [accompanies by lawyers] and were
turned away. That gave them standing to bring an action before the
courts and fight it to the top state courts.... where they won four out
of four times.
It just seems to me that the gay community may be doing the exact same
thing, for the same reasons, as the Alabama "10 Commandments" judge did.
Tried to do an end run around the legal system.
Not at all. In this case the gay community was asked/invited to
participate in the issuance of marriage licenses authorised by the
mayor. To date, no court has ruled that the city must stop issuing said
licenses. Further, the mayor has publicly stated, on several occasions,
that if/when the courts order the city to stop, he will do so forthwith.
In the case of Roy Moore, he was ordered by a higher court to remove
the 10 commandments sculpture from the courthouse. He failed to comply
thus putting himself in contempt of court. Had he complied, he could
have taken the case further with appeals all the way to the SCOTUS if he
wished. Being a judge, he knew all that legal stuff and should have
complied as ordered but he decided to defy a higher courts which is
never a good move.
Besides, he actually lost his job for being the author of irony and
failing to recognising that. After all, one of the top 10 is "thou shat
have no graven images before me" and that is exactly what judge Roy
Moron did!
--
+==================== L. Michael Roberts ======================+
This represents my personal opinion and NOT Company policy
Goderich, Ont, Canada. To reply, post a request for my valid E-mail
"Life is a sexually transmitted, terminal, condition"
+================================================================+
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22 Feb 2004 07:49:45 PM |
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Lo, many moons past, on Mon, 23 Feb 2004 00:39:18 GMT, a stranger
called by some <tock@sbcglobal.net> came forth and told this tale in
alt.atheism
It just seems to me that the gay community may be doing the exact same
thing, for the same reasons, as the Alabama "10 Commandments" judge did.
Tried to do an end run around the legal system.
Which explains why we're already in court, right?
--
Douglas Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
Ezekiel 13:20 "Wherefore thus saith the
Lord GOD; Behold, I am against your pillows"
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| User: "Douglas Berry" |
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22 Feb 2004 10:51:29 AM |
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Lo, many moons past, on Sun, 22 Feb 2004 12:07:20 GMT, a stranger
called by some <tock@sbcglobal.net> came forth and told this tale in
alt.atheism
I think Schwarzenegger may have a valid point.
Remember when the Alabama Supreme Court Justice put the 10 Commandments
monument in the Court building? Of course it was illegal from the get-go.
State property can't be used to push the teachings of a particular religion,
and since no other religious works were allowed to be displayed with the 10
Commandments monument, it was just plain illegal.
The Alabama Judge said his action was legal, based on his interpretation of
the Alabama Constitution. The San Francisco Mayor says his action is
legal, based on the California Constitution. While I'm wholeheartedly in
favor of gay marriage and civil unions, I kinda think that in the interest
of the rule of law, maybe the Mayor shouldn't be doing what he's doing.
There's a difference here.
First of all, San Francisco is using the state Constitution to defend
its actions. Roy Moore had no such fall back.
Secondly, Roy Moore lost court case after court case, and publically
defied an order from a Federal Court to remove the rock. That's what
cost him the rock. In SF, we've had 4 hearings and so far no one has
issued an order to stop the marriages. Mayor Newsom has made it clear
that he will obey a court order if one is issued.
--
Douglas Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
Ezekiel 13:20 "Wherefore thus saith the
Lord GOD; Behold, I am against your pillows"
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| User: "Dennis Kemmerer" |
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22 Feb 2004 02:51:19 PM |
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"Douglas Berry" <penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote in message
news:hbnh309m8kcf3sp24gjdas3c0oujnbni4v@4ax.com...
Lo, many moons past, on Sun, 22 Feb 2004 12:07:20 GMT, a stranger
called by some <tock@sbcglobal.net> came forth and told this tale in
alt.atheism
I think Schwarzenegger may have a valid point.
Remember when the Alabama Supreme Court Justice put the 10 Commandments
monument in the Court building? Of course it was illegal from the
get-go.
State property can't be used to push the teachings of a particular
religion,
and since no other religious works were allowed to be displayed with the
10
Commandments monument, it was just plain illegal.
The Alabama Judge said his action was legal, based on his interpretation
of
the Alabama Constitution. The San Francisco Mayor says his action is
legal, based on the California Constitution. While I'm wholeheartedly
in
favor of gay marriage and civil unions, I kinda think that in the
interest
of the rule of law, maybe the Mayor shouldn't be doing what he's doing.
There's a difference here.
First of all, San Francisco is using the state Constitution to defend
its actions. Roy Moore had no such fall back.
Secondly, Roy Moore lost court case after court case, and publically
defied an order from a Federal Court to remove the rock. That's what
cost him the rock. In SF, we've had 4 hearings and so far no one has
issued an order to stop the marriages.
Not to mention the unanimous precedent of four state supreme court cases.
Mayor Newsom has made it clear
that he will obey a court order if one is issued.
Any decision either way will certainly be appealed. It's great to see the
issue getting pushed into the mainstream.
What's particularly interesting is that, aside from the handful of
bible-banging zealots spewing epithets and some 'constitutional amendment'
sabre-rattling, the opposition's party line in the mainstream media seems to
have crystallized into a 'slippery slope' position. Any judge, regardless of
his personal persuasions, knows he'd be crucified for accepting that
argument.
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22 Feb 2004 06:41:00 PM |
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"Douglas Berry" <penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote in message
news:hbnh309m8kcf3sp24gjdas3c0oujnbni4v@4ax.com...
Lo, many moons past, on Sun, 22 Feb 2004 12:07:20 GMT, a stranger
called by some <tock@sbcglobal.net> came forth and told this tale in
alt.atheism
I think Schwarzenegger may have a valid point.
Remember when the Alabama Supreme Court Justice put the 10 Commandments
monument in the Court building? Of course it was illegal from the
get-go.
State property can't be used to push the teachings of a particular
religion,
and since no other religious works were allowed to be displayed with the
10
Commandments monument, it was just plain illegal.
The Alabama Judge said his action was legal, based on his interpretation
of
the Alabama Constitution. The San Francisco Mayor says his action is
legal, based on the California Constitution. While I'm wholeheartedly
in
favor of gay marriage and civil unions, I kinda think that in the
interest
of the rule of law, maybe the Mayor shouldn't be doing what he's doing.
There's a difference here.
First of all, San Francisco is using the state Constitution to defend
its actions. Roy Moore had no such fall back.
Secondly, Roy Moore lost court case after court case, and publically
defied an order from a Federal Court to remove the rock. That's what
cost him the rock. In SF, we've had 4 hearings and so far no one has
issued an order to stop the marriages. Mayor Newsom has made it clear
that he will obey a court order if one is issued.
--
Douglas Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
Ezekiel 13:20 "Wherefore thus saith the
Lord GOD; Behold, I am against your pillows"
Ok, that makes sense . . .
Thanks,
--Tock
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03 Apr 2004 09:25:16 AM |
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Jeff North <jnorth@yourpantsbigpond.net.au> wrote:
On Sat, 27 Mar 2004 18:28:12 +0000, in alt.politics.homosexuality Lina
Morgan <yajairasmom979@netscape.net> wrote:
| Dennis Kemmerer <dk@suespammers.org> wrote:
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| >"Lina Morgan" <yajairasmom979@netscape.net> wrote in message
| >news:fv49501oaj9deqf3hp0901kcqk772j9n5h@netscape.net...
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| >> By the time all is said and done those "Gay Marriage" certificates will be
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| >You're far too stupid to be making legal predictions.
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| When God is on one's side one always makes the right predictions.
Predication are the domain of witches. Remember what the buybull says
about witches.
It says that people like you are going to hell.
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| User: "Grace Alavaraez" |
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04 Apr 2004 01:41:49 AM |
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On Sat, 03 Apr 2004 15:25:16 +0000, Lina Morgan
<yajairasmom979@netscape.net> wrote:
Jeff North <jnorth@yourpantsbigpond.net.au> wrote:
On Sat, 27 Mar 2004 18:28:12 +0000, in alt.politics.homosexuality Lina
Morgan <yajairasmom979@netscape.net> wrote:
| Dennis Kemmerer <dk@suespammers.org> wrote:
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| >"Lina Morgan" <yajairasmom979@netscape.net> wrote in message
| >news:fv49501oaj9deqf3hp0901kcqk772j9n5h@netscape.net...
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| >[snip]
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| >> By the time all is said and done those "Gay Marriage" certificates will be
| >> worth less than toilet paper.
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| >You're far too stupid to be making legal predictions.
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| When God is on one's side one always makes the right predictions.
Predication are the domain of witches. Remember what the buybull says
about witches.
It says that people like you are going to hell.
Actually, the Buybull says the following about you:
Proverbs 6:16-19
16There are six things that the LORD hates,
seven that are an abomination to him:
17haughty eyes, a lying tongue,
and hands that shed innocent blood,
18a heart that devises wicked plans,
feet that hurry to run to evil,
19a lying witness who testifies falsely,
and one who sows discord in a family.
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| User: "Jeff North" |
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04 Apr 2004 07:14:42 AM |
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On Sat, 03 Apr 2004 15:25:16 +0000, in alt.politics.homosexuality Lina
Morgan <yajairasmom979@netscape.net> wrote:
| Jeff North <jnorth@yourpantsbigpond.net.au> wrote:
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| >On Sat, 27 Mar 2004 18:28:12 +0000, in alt.politics.homosexuality Lina
| >Morgan <yajairasmom979@netscape.net> wrote:
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| >>| Dennis Kemmerer <dk@suespammers.org> wrote:
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| >>| >"Lina Morgan" <yajairasmom979@netscape.net> wrote in message
| >>| >news:fv49501oaj9deqf3hp0901kcqk772j9n5h@netscape.net...
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| >>| >[snip]
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| >>| >> By the time all is said and done those "Gay Marriage" certificates will be
| >>| >> worth less than toilet paper.
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| >>| >You're far too stupid to be making legal predictions.
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| >>| When God is on one's side one always makes the right predictions.
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| >Predication are the domain of witches. Remember what the buybull says
| >about witches.
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| It says that people like you are going to hell.
Why thank you, you and your ilk have 'driven' me there. Sleep well
knowing that you are doing your best at turning people away from God.
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All I can say to the fundamentalist christians is:
BRING BACK THE LIONS BRING BACK THE LIONS
BRING BACK THE LIONS BRING BACK THE LIONS
BRING BACK THE LIONS BRING BACK THE LIONS
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21 Feb 2004 05:39:27 PM |
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Schvartza isn't a "real" governor anyway. Goddamned foreigner has NO CLUE
what he's getting himself into, let alone what the hell he's doing in the
first place. This one should dog his austrian ***** all the way to the next
convention where he'll be handed his hat!
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"achtung" <achtung@stop.now> wrote in message
news:73if3099a5rq6mveposhps3pca2448e6h8@news...
Same-sex marriage license rush slows down
SAN FRANCISCO, California (CNN) --San Francisco Mayor Gavin Newsom
shut off the same-sex marriage license pipeline over the weekend, but
will reopen the city clerk's office Monday for business as usual --
with marriage licenses issued by appointment only.
Since the city began allowing gays and lesbians to get marriage
licenses nine days ago, it has issued more than 3,000.
Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger addressed the issue at the state's
Republican convention in Burlingame, California, just outside San
Francisco, warning the city to stop issuing marriage licenses to
same-sex couples in defiance of state law.
"Today I have sent a letter to Attorney General Bill Lockyer asking
him to move as quickly as possible on behalf of the state ... to
resolve the issues underlying San Francisco's lawsuit against the
state," Schwarzenegger said.
"While we wait for the courts to act, it's time for the city of San
Francisco to start respecting state law. It is time for the city to
stop traveling down this dangerous path of ignoring the rule of law."
For the second time this week, a judge Friday denied a request by
conservative groups to issue a temporary restraining order against the
city to stop it from issuing same-sex marriage licenses.
San Francisco County Superior Court Judge Ronald Quidachay Friday also
ruled that the two lawsuits against the city -- and the city's lawsuit
against the state, challenging the law banning same-sex marriage --
could be combined into one case.
The judge did not set a date for arguments to begin in the
consolidated case, and did not indicate which judge might hear it.
Quidachay's decision means that the city can continue issuing marriage
licenses to same-sex couples.
As the legal fray unfolded, the wedding ceremonies continued Friday at
City Hall, where city workers ushered 100 more same-sex couples into
the rotunda. Hundreds of other couples awaited their turns in a line
that circled the building.
Lawsuits filed by the Campaign for California Families, the
Proposition 22 Legal Defense and Education Fund and other groups
contend that the city's issuing of same-sex marriage licenses violates
state law and should be stopped immediately.
Thursday, the city filed its own lawsuit, charging that a state law
that defines marriage as being between one man and one woman violates
California's constitution.
City Attorney Dennis Herrera said the suit also names the petitioners
that have filed lawsuits against the city.
The goal of the lawsuit, he said, is to ensure that the
constitutionality question of gay and lesbian marriage is addressed by
the courts.
Schwarzenegger stated on his Web site that marriage certificates
issued to same-sex couples do not meet state legal standards that
require that a marriage be between a man and a woman.
"The attorney general has assured me that he will vigorously defend
the constitutionality of the law in the case brought against the state
by San Francisco," the governor's statement said.
Attorney General Lockyer posted a statement on his Web site saying
that it was "the duty of my office to defend that law against this
challenge by the city and county of San Francisco, and allow the
courts to determine whether the city has acted illegally."
But, he said, his own opinions lean decidedly to equality.
"As a lifelong defender of civil rights, due process and equal
protection for all, I do not personally support policies that give
lesser legal rights and responsibilities to committed same-sex couples
than those provided to heterosexual couples," he said.
"That is why I have and continue to strongly support extending the
benefits and responsibilities of marriage to same-sex couples through
domestic partnerships and civil union statutes," he said.
CNN Correspondents Rusty Dornin and David Mattingly contributed to
this story
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21 Feb 2004 09:55:16 PM |
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"None" <none@nospam.org> wrote in message news:<P_RZb.3064$yZ1.514@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net>...
Schvartza isn't a "real" governor anyway. Goddamned foreigner has NO CLUE
what he's getting himself into, let alone what the hell he's doing in the
first place. This one should dog his austrian ***** all the way to the next
convention where he'll be handed his hat!
Well, I wouldn't worry about old Arnie, he is his wifes puppet. Just
look how quickly he turned from a red neck to a tree hugger over night
in regards to cutting emmissions and so forth.
Mark my words, when it comes to crunch time, Arnie won't pass the law.
Remember, the wife is the one who holds the real power, not Arnie. The
Kennedy legacy lives on.
Matt
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| User: "kw " |
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21 Feb 2004 07:36:04 PM |
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In article <P_RZb.3064$yZ1.514
@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net>,
says...
Schvartza isn't a "real" governor anyway. Goddamned foreigner has NO CLUE
what he's getting himself into, let alone what the hell he's doing in the
first place. This one should dog his austrian ***** all the way to the next
convention where he'll be handed his hat!
I get tired of this liberal intolerance. Why do you hate
foreigners?
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| User: "Alan Hobson" |
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| Title: Re: Schwarzenegger: Stop Gay Marriages Now! |
22 Feb 2004 01:22:01 AM |
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kw <queers@butt-bozos.org> wrote in message news:<MPG.1aa1c380c8bc6db9898c5@newsgroups.bellsouth.net>...
In article <P_RZb.3064$yZ1.514
@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net>,
says...
Schvartza isn't a "real" governor anyway. Goddamned foreigner has NO CLUE
what he's getting himself into, let alone what the hell he's doing in the
first place. This one should dog his austrian ***** all the way to the next
convention where he'll be handed his hat!
I get tired of this liberal intolerance. Why do you hate
foreigners?
Sez the guy with who calls himself "queers@butt-bozos.org". He's not
intolerant, nooooooo!
-Alan
aa#1608
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| User: "Twistedphuck......TheNiggerNagger" |
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21 Feb 2004 03:29:52 PM |
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Thats one way for the city to generate revenue.
shakedown of the faggots.
Faggots won't get a refund when they overturn it, they will want to hold
onto it like a fucking keepsake.
man those guys are crafty , must be jews.
hahahahahaha............
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| User: "Lord Calvert" |
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21 Feb 2004 04:41:24 PM |
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Thats one way for the city to generate revenue.
shakedown of the faggots.
Faggots won't get a refund when they overturn it, they will want to hold
onto it like a fucking keepsake.
man those guys are crafty , must be jews.
hahahahahaha............
I didn't realize John Walker Lindh got out and had usenet access. This guy sure
sounds like an Osama clone to me. I wonder why he's posting here instead of
fighting alongside his Taliban allies?
Rich Goranson, Amherst, NY, USA (aa#MCMXCIX, a-vet#1)
EAC Department of Applied Rattan Use
"Without faith we might relapse into scientific or rational thinking, which
leads by a slippery slope toward constitutional democracy." - Robert Anton
Wilson
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| User: "Gordon Muir" |
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24 Feb 2004 12:57:36 PM |
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http://familyfed.org
Rev.moon has been accepted as the second coming of the messiah by
thousands of religious leaders and some politicians,go to FFWPU
News,speech,458,Ambassadors for Peace Awards,2/5/2004.
Rev.moon,the religious right and George Bush Faith-Based Initiative
are going to govern the USA FROM 2004 with an AUTOMATIC THEOCRACY,and
will join a One World Government from 2012,go to yahoo and type in
automatic theocracy,more details of the plans,NO ONE HAS BEEN TOLD
ABOUT THIS,THIS IS MORE MOONIE DECEPTION? the moonies will tell the
public after its been set up then there will be A LOT OF RAGING
PEOPLE,know one accepts being lied to and misled behind there back.
http://www.ffwpu.org.uk
Moonies London U.K. website,pictures of moonies in the House of Lords
in the British government.
HITLER is following Rev.moon now,type in the google search
box,Rev.moon married Muhammed recently,Rev.moons family tree has
famous people who he has married and are now following
him,Hitler,Stalin,Jesus,Nixon,Muhammed and other famous people,there
is another list of famous names on the top right of the U.K. website
but there is no proof from spiritualists outside of the moonies.
http://www.MessagesFromSpiritWorld.info
Stalin,Marx,Muhammed,Jesus,Buddha and more.
http://truthfromheaven.org ex-US-Presidents and founding fathers.
Gordon Muir.
achtung <achtung@stop.now> wrote in message news:<73if3099a5rq6mveposhps3pca2448e6h8@news>...
Same-sex marriage license rush slows down
SAN FRANCISCO, California (CNN) --San Francisco Mayor Gavin Newsom
shut off the same-sex marriage license pipeline over the weekend, but
will reopen the city clerk's office Monday for business as usual --
with marriage licenses issued by appointment only.
Since the city began allowing gays and lesbians to get marriage
licenses nine days ago, it has issued more than 3,000.
Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger addressed the issue at the state's
Republican convention in Burlingame, California, just outside San
Francisco, warning the city to stop issuing marriage licenses to
same-sex couples in defiance of state law.
"Today I have sent a letter to Attorney General Bill Lockyer asking
him to move as quickly as possible on behalf of the state ... to
resolve the issues underlying San Francisco's lawsuit against the
state," Schwarzenegger said.
"While we wait for the courts to act, it's time for the city of San
Francisco to start respecting state law. It is time for the city to
stop traveling down this dangerous path of ignoring the rule of law."
For the second time this week, a judge Friday denied a request by
conservative groups to issue a temporary restraining order against the
city to stop it from issuing same-sex marriage licenses.
San Francisco County Superior Court Judge Ronald Quidachay Friday also
ruled that the two lawsuits against the city -- and the city's lawsuit
against the state, challenging the law banning same-sex marriage --
could be combined into one case.
The judge did not set a date for arguments to begin in the
consolidated case, and did not indicate which judge might hear it.
Quidachay's decision means that the city can continue issuing marriage
licenses to same-sex couples.
As the legal fray unfolded, the wedding ceremonies continued Friday at
City Hall, where city workers ushered 100 more same-sex couples into
the rotunda. Hundreds of other couples awaited their turns in a line
that circled the building.
Lawsuits filed by the Campaign for California Families, the
Proposition 22 Legal Defense and Education Fund and other groups
contend that the city's issuing of same-sex marriage licenses violates
state law and should be stopped immediately.
Thursday, the city filed its own lawsuit, charging that a state law
that defines marriage as being between one man and one woman violates
California's constitution.
City Attorney Dennis Herrera said the suit also names the petitioners
that have filed lawsuits against the city.
The goal of the lawsuit, he said, is to ensure that the
constitutionality question of gay and lesbian marriage is addressed by
the courts.
Schwarzenegger stated on his Web site that marriage certificates
issued to same-sex couples do not meet state legal standards that
require that a marriage be between a man and a woman.
"The attorney general has assured me that he will vigorously defend
the constitutionality of the law in the case brought against the state
by San Francisco," the governor's statement said.
Attorney General Lockyer posted a statement on his Web site saying
that it was "the duty of my office to defend that law against this
challenge by the city and county of San Francisco, and allow the
courts to determine whether the city has acted illegally."
But, he said, his own opinions lean decidedly to equality.
"As a lifelong defender of civil rights, due process and equal
protection for all, I do not personally support policies that give
lesser legal rights and responsibilities to committed same-sex couples
than those provided to heterosexual couples," he said.
"That is why I have and continue to strongly support extending the
benefits and responsibilities of marriage to same-sex couples through
domestic partnerships and civil union statutes," he said.
CNN Correspondents Rusty Dornin and David Mattingly contributed to
this story
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