Religions > Atheism > Science Blogger Sued for $15 Million - For Reviewing a Book!
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23 Aug 2007 04:21:49 PM |
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Science Blogger Sued for $15 Million - For Reviewing a Book! |
PZ Myers at www.scienceblogs.com/pharyngula is being sued by a guy
Stuart Pivar, who asked him to review his book: LifeCode: The Theory
of Biological Self Organization, and apparently didn't like the
negative review:
http://tinyurl.com/2m462z
There's more info at Panda's Thumb:
http://tinyurl.com/yuofc4
Budikka
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23 Aug 2007 06:17:22 PM |
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In article <1187904109.319712.252940@i38g2000prf.googlegroups.com>,
Budikka666 <budikka1@netscape.net> wrote:
PZ Myers at www.scienceblogs.com/pharyngula is being sued by a guy
Stuart Pivar, who asked him to review his book: LifeCode: The Theory
of Biological Self Organization, and apparently didn't like the
negative review:
http://tinyurl.com/2m462z
There's more info at Panda's Thumb:
http://tinyurl.com/yuofc4
Budikka
That's crazy. Pivar asked him to review the book and Meyers did. Review
doesn't mean promote. Pivar should have found another reviewer.
--
John #1782
"We should always be disposed to believe that which appears to us to be
white is really black, if the hierarchy of the church so decides."
- Saint Ignatius Loyola (1491-1556) Founder of the Jesuit Order.
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| User: "ike milligan" |
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| Title: Re: Science Blogger Sued for $15 Million - For Reviewing a Book! |
23 Aug 2007 09:47:23 PM |
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"johac" <jhachmann@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:jhachmann-C72B90.16172223082007@news.giganews.com...
In article <1187904109.319712.252940@i38g2000prf.googlegroups.com>,
Budikka666 <budikka1@netscape.net> wrote:
PZ Myers at www.scienceblogs.com/pharyngula is being sued by a guy
Stuart Pivar, who asked him to review his book: LifeCode: The Theory
of Biological Self Organization, and apparently didn't like the
negative review:
http://tinyurl.com/2m462z
There's more info at Panda's Thumb:
http://tinyurl.com/yuofc4
Budikka
That's crazy. Pivar asked him to review the book and Meyers did. Review
doesn't mean promote. Pivar should have found another reviewer.
He should have asked the reviewer before he read the book, if he was going
to like it.
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| User: "johac" |
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| Title: Re: Science Blogger Sued for $15 Million - For Reviewing a Book! |
23 Aug 2007 11:47:12 PM |
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In article <13csi31gq1cj2c6@corp.supernews.com>,
"ike milligan" <accordiondoc@mindspring.com> wrote:
"johac" <jhachmann@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:jhachmann-C72B90.16172223082007@news.giganews.com...
In article <1187904109.319712.252940@i38g2000prf.googlegroups.com>,
Budikka666 <budikka1@netscape.net> wrote:
PZ Myers at www.scienceblogs.com/pharyngula is being sued by a guy
Stuart Pivar, who asked him to review his book: LifeCode: The Theory
of Biological Self Organization, and apparently didn't like the
negative review:
http://tinyurl.com/2m462z
There's more info at Panda's Thumb:
http://tinyurl.com/yuofc4
Budikka
That's crazy. Pivar asked him to review the book and Meyers did. Review
doesn't mean promote. Pivar should have found another reviewer.
He should have asked the reviewer before he read the book, if he was going
to like it.
Yeah. "Sir. Would you please write a nice review for my book? What? Why
do you need a copy?"
--
John #1782
"We should always be disposed to believe that which appears to us to be
white is really black, if the hierarchy of the church so decides."
- Saint Ignatius Loyola (1491-1556) Founder of the Jesuit Order.
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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24 Aug 2007 08:50:14 AM |
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On Thu, 23 Aug 2007 21:47:12 -0700, johac wrote:
In article <13csi31gq1cj2c6@corp.supernews.com>,
"ike milligan" <accordiondoc@mindspring.com> wrote:
"johac" <jhachmann@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:jhachmann-C72B90.16172223082007@news.giganews.com...
In article <1187904109.319712.252940@i38g2000prf.googlegroups.com>,
Budikka666 <budikka1@netscape.net> wrote:
PZ Myers at www.scienceblogs.com/pharyngula is being sued by a guy
Stuart Pivar, who asked him to review his book: LifeCode: The Theory
of Biological Self Organization, and apparently didn't like the
negative review:
http://tinyurl.com/2m462z
There's more info at Panda's Thumb:
http://tinyurl.com/yuofc4
Budikka
That's crazy. Pivar asked him to review the book and Meyers did.
Review doesn't mean promote. Pivar should have found another
reviewer.
He should have asked the reviewer before he read the book, if he was
going to like it.
Yeah. "Sir. Would you please write a nice review for my book? What? Why
do you need a copy?"
<snirkle>
Why do I foresee a very irritated judge in someone's future?
--
Mark K. Bilbo a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
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"Warned you we tried! Listen you did not! Now screwed
we will all be!"
http://www.sequentialpictures.com/moviestarwarsepisode3.html
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| User: "johac" |
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24 Aug 2007 06:21:55 PM |
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In article <BK6dnZ1o1sKLf1PbnZ2dnUVZ_ubinZ2d@giganews.com>,
"Mark K. Bilbo" <gmail@com.mkbilbo> wrote:
On Thu, 23 Aug 2007 21:47:12 -0700, johac wrote:
In article <13csi31gq1cj2c6@corp.supernews.com>,
"ike milligan" <accordiondoc@mindspring.com> wrote:
"johac" <jhachmann@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:jhachmann-C72B90.16172223082007@news.giganews.com...
In article <1187904109.319712.252940@i38g2000prf.googlegroups.com>,
Budikka666 <budikka1@netscape.net> wrote:
PZ Myers at www.scienceblogs.com/pharyngula is being sued by a guy
Stuart Pivar, who asked him to review his book: LifeCode: The Theory
of Biological Self Organization, and apparently didn't like the
negative review:
http://tinyurl.com/2m462z
There's more info at Panda's Thumb:
http://tinyurl.com/yuofc4
Budikka
That's crazy. Pivar asked him to review the book and Meyers did.
Review doesn't mean promote. Pivar should have found another
reviewer.
He should have asked the reviewer before he read the book, if he was
going to like it.
Yeah. "Sir. Would you please write a nice review for my book? What? Why
do you need a copy?"
<snirkle>
Why do I foresee a very irritated judge in someone's future?
I wonder how some of these judges put up with some of these cases. Once
I sat on jury selection for a case where a tenant was suing his
landlord. It seems that the tenant didn't like his rug, so he demanded
that the landlord replace it. The landlord said no, so a few weeks later
the tenant claimed he "tripped" over a tear in the rug, hurt his back
and was suing the landlord. In the courtroom the tenant appeared to be
moving around just fine. I wasn't chosen for the jury, but I don't know
if I could have served on it with a straight face.
--
John #1782
"We should always be disposed to believe that which appears to us to be
white is really black, if the hierarchy of the church so decides."
- Saint Ignatius Loyola (1491-1556) Founder of the Jesuit Order.
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| User: "Michael Gray" |
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25 Aug 2007 07:12:48 PM |
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On Fri, 24 Aug 2007 16:21:55 -0700, johac
<jhachmann@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote:
In article <BK6dnZ1o1sKLf1PbnZ2dnUVZ_ubinZ2d@giganews.com>,
"Mark K. Bilbo" <gmail@com.mkbilbo> wrote:
On Thu, 23 Aug 2007 21:47:12 -0700, johac wrote:
In article <13csi31gq1cj2c6@corp.supernews.com>,
"ike milligan" <accordiondoc@mindspring.com> wrote:
"johac" <jhachmann@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:jhachmann-C72B90.16172223082007@news.giganews.com...
In article <1187904109.319712.252940@i38g2000prf.googlegroups.com>,
Budikka666 <budikka1@netscape.net> wrote:
PZ Myers at www.scienceblogs.com/pharyngula is being sued by a guy
Stuart Pivar, who asked him to review his book: LifeCode: The Theory
of Biological Self Organization, and apparently didn't like the
negative review:
http://tinyurl.com/2m462z
There's more info at Panda's Thumb:
http://tinyurl.com/yuofc4
Budikka
That's crazy. Pivar asked him to review the book and Meyers did.
Review doesn't mean promote. Pivar should have found another
reviewer.
He should have asked the reviewer before he read the book, if he was
going to like it.
Yeah. "Sir. Would you please write a nice review for my book? What? Why
do you need a copy?"
<snirkle>
Why do I foresee a very irritated judge in someone's future?
I wonder how some of these judges put up with some of these cases. Once
I sat on jury selection for a case where a tenant was suing his
landlord. It seems that the tenant didn't like his rug, so he demanded
that the landlord replace it. The landlord said no, so a few weeks later
the tenant claimed he "tripped" over a tear in the rug, hurt his back
and was suing the landlord. In the courtroom the tenant appeared to be
moving around just fine. I wasn't chosen for the jury, but I don't know
if I could have served on it with a straight face.
Judge Judy?
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| User: "johac" |
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26 Aug 2007 12:24:58 AM |
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In article <kbh1d3hc4r6p3tu9camnfvjuc225vccnkg@4ax.com>,
Michael Gray <mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote:
On Fri, 24 Aug 2007 16:21:55 -0700, johac
<jhachmann@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote:
In article <BK6dnZ1o1sKLf1PbnZ2dnUVZ_ubinZ2d@giganews.com>,
"Mark K. Bilbo" <gmail@com.mkbilbo> wrote:
On Thu, 23 Aug 2007 21:47:12 -0700, johac wrote:
In article <13csi31gq1cj2c6@corp.supernews.com>,
"ike milligan" <accordiondoc@mindspring.com> wrote:
"johac" <jhachmann@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:jhachmann-C72B90.16172223082007@news.giganews.com...
In article <1187904109.319712.252940@i38g2000prf.googlegroups.com>,
Budikka666 <budikka1@netscape.net> wrote:
PZ Myers at www.scienceblogs.com/pharyngula is being sued by a guy
Stuart Pivar, who asked him to review his book: LifeCode: The Theory
of Biological Self Organization, and apparently didn't like the
negative review:
http://tinyurl.com/2m462z
There's more info at Panda's Thumb:
http://tinyurl.com/yuofc4
Budikka
That's crazy. Pivar asked him to review the book and Meyers did.
Review doesn't mean promote. Pivar should have found another
reviewer.
He should have asked the reviewer before he read the book, if he was
going to like it.
Yeah. "Sir. Would you please write a nice review for my book? What? Why
do you need a copy?"
<snirkle>
Why do I foresee a very irritated judge in someone's future?
I wonder how some of these judges put up with some of these cases. Once
I sat on jury selection for a case where a tenant was suing his
landlord. It seems that the tenant didn't like his rug, so he demanded
that the landlord replace it. The landlord said no, so a few weeks later
the tenant claimed he "tripped" over a tear in the rug, hurt his back
and was suing the landlord. In the courtroom the tenant appeared to be
moving around just fine. I wasn't chosen for the jury, but I don't know
if I could have served on it with a straight face.
Judge Judy?
The judge was a woman, but her name wasn't Judy. I think she was having
trouble keeping a straight face too.
--
John #1782
"We should always be disposed to believe that which appears to us to be
white is really black, if the hierarchy of the church so decides."
- Saint Ignatius Loyola (1491-1556) Founder of the Jesuit Order.
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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25 Aug 2007 09:12:20 AM |
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On Fri, 24 Aug 2007 16:21:55 -0700, johac wrote:
In article <BK6dnZ1o1sKLf1PbnZ2dnUVZ_ubinZ2d@giganews.com>,
"Mark K. Bilbo" <gmail@com.mkbilbo> wrote:
On Thu, 23 Aug 2007 21:47:12 -0700, johac wrote:
In article <13csi31gq1cj2c6@corp.supernews.com>,
"ike milligan" <accordiondoc@mindspring.com> wrote:
"johac" <jhachmann@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:jhachmann-C72B90.16172223082007@news.giganews.com...
In article
<1187904109.319712.252940@i38g2000prf.googlegroups.com>,
Budikka666 <budikka1@netscape.net> wrote:
PZ Myers at www.scienceblogs.com/pharyngula is being sued by a
guy Stuart Pivar, who asked him to review his book: LifeCode: The
Theory of Biological Self Organization, and apparently didn't
like the negative review:
http://tinyurl.com/2m462z
There's more info at Panda's Thumb:
http://tinyurl.com/yuofc4
Budikka
That's crazy. Pivar asked him to review the book and Meyers did.
Review doesn't mean promote. Pivar should have found another
reviewer.
He should have asked the reviewer before he read the book, if he was
going to like it.
Yeah. "Sir. Would you please write a nice review for my book? What?
Why do you need a copy?"
<snirkle>
Why do I foresee a very irritated judge in someone's future?
I wonder how some of these judges put up with some of these cases. Once
I sat on jury selection for a case where a tenant was suing his
landlord. It seems that the tenant didn't like his rug, so he demanded
that the landlord replace it. The landlord said no, so a few weeks later
the tenant claimed he "tripped" over a tear in the rug, hurt his back
and was suing the landlord. In the courtroom the tenant appeared to be
moving around just fine. I wasn't chosen for the jury, but I don't know
if I could have served on it with a straight face.
I saw one like that once. Guy was suing a woman for damages because she
rear ended him. She was driving some ordinary, medium sized car, *he* had
a big--like Dodge Ram size--pickup with a trailer. On which trailer he
was carrying various and sundry welding equipment.
Now, that she rear ended him was not in dispute. That he had *some*
damages (but couldn't be much in a minor collision between an ordinary
car and a pickup with a trailer) was not in dispute.
What he wanted was compensation for the money he *would* have earned in
his "business" he'd was allegedly just now starting but which had never
done a single job.
I had to bite my tongue to keep from laughing right then and there. When
it came to "do you have any objections" time, I told them straight up I'd
already made up my mind (not specifying which way as they were adamant
you not get into details for fear of prejudicing the other prospective
jurors).
I was being honest too, not just trying to get out of jury duty. There
was no way in hell I could have played the "objective" game. I wanted to
berate his lawyer for even taking the case!
It was in East Texas where I'd grown up and I had seen billions of his
type. The trailer trash hick who was agonna start a bidness, be all
ontreepeenoor like, and make a bundle (a "bundle" being defined as
monthly payments on a double wide as that would be real movin' up fine to
get outta the single wide).
She was some unremarkable, middle aged, middle class, looked like you'd
expect a middle manager at a medium sized regional bank to look. Probably
had some rather boring, mediocre job but had a real job. Which in his
trailer trash world made her Monty Burns rich and he'd found a jackpot!
Whole thing made me wish I was the judge so I could tell his lawyer to
come up to the bench and put his balls on them so I could beat them with
the gavel.
Anyway, I was dismissed. Weird eh? <g>
--
Mark K. Bilbo a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
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"What the hell is an aluminum Falcon?"
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26 Aug 2007 12:31:12 AM |
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In article <E9udnS1fEfZZpU3bnZ2dnUVZ_obinZ2d@giganews.com>,
"Mark K. Bilbo" <gmail@com.mkbilbo> wrote:
On Fri, 24 Aug 2007 16:21:55 -0700, johac wrote:
In article <BK6dnZ1o1sKLf1PbnZ2dnUVZ_ubinZ2d@giganews.com>,
"Mark K. Bilbo" <gmail@com.mkbilbo> wrote:
On Thu, 23 Aug 2007 21:47:12 -0700, johac wrote:
In article <13csi31gq1cj2c6@corp.supernews.com>,
"ike milligan" <accordiondoc@mindspring.com> wrote:
"johac" <jhachmann@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:jhachmann-C72B90.16172223082007@news.giganews.com...
In article
<1187904109.319712.252940@i38g2000prf.googlegroups.com>,
Budikka666 <budikka1@netscape.net> wrote:
PZ Myers at www.scienceblogs.com/pharyngula is being sued by a
guy Stuart Pivar, who asked him to review his book: LifeCode: The
Theory of Biological Self Organization, and apparently didn't
like the negative review:
http://tinyurl.com/2m462z
There's more info at Panda's Thumb:
http://tinyurl.com/yuofc4
Budikka
That's crazy. Pivar asked him to review the book and Meyers did.
Review doesn't mean promote. Pivar should have found another
reviewer.
He should have asked the reviewer before he read the book, if he was
going to like it.
Yeah. "Sir. Would you please write a nice review for my book? What?
Why do you need a copy?"
<snirkle>
Why do I foresee a very irritated judge in someone's future?
I wonder how some of these judges put up with some of these cases. Once
I sat on jury selection for a case where a tenant was suing his
landlord. It seems that the tenant didn't like his rug, so he demanded
that the landlord replace it. The landlord said no, so a few weeks later
the tenant claimed he "tripped" over a tear in the rug, hurt his back
and was suing the landlord. In the courtroom the tenant appeared to be
moving around just fine. I wasn't chosen for the jury, but I don't know
if I could have served on it with a straight face.
I saw one like that once. Guy was suing a woman for damages because she
rear ended him. She was driving some ordinary, medium sized car, *he* had
a big--like Dodge Ram size--pickup with a trailer. On which trailer he
was carrying various and sundry welding equipment.
Now, that she rear ended him was not in dispute. That he had *some*
damages (but couldn't be much in a minor collision between an ordinary
car and a pickup with a trailer) was not in dispute.
What he wanted was compensation for the money he *would* have earned in
his "business" he'd was allegedly just now starting but which had never
done a single job.
LOL! Sure.
I had to bite my tongue to keep from laughing right then and there. When
it came to "do you have any objections" time, I told them straight up I'd
already made up my mind (not specifying which way as they were adamant
you not get into details for fear of prejudicing the other prospective
jurors).
I was being honest too, not just trying to get out of jury duty. There
was no way in hell I could have played the "objective" game. I wanted to
berate his lawyer for even taking the case!
It was in East Texas where I'd grown up and I had seen billions of his
type. The trailer trash hick who was agonna start a bidness, be all
ontreepeenoor like, and make a bundle (a "bundle" being defined as
monthly payments on a double wide as that would be real movin' up fine to
get outta the single wide).
His name wasn't "George" was it?
She was some unremarkable, middle aged, middle class, looked like you'd
expect a middle manager at a medium sized regional bank to look. Probably
had some rather boring, mediocre job but had a real job. Which in his
trailer trash world made her Monty Burns rich and he'd found a jackpot!
Dumb.
Whole thing made me wish I was the judge so I could tell his lawyer to
come up to the bench and put his balls on them so I could beat them with
the gavel.
Seriously. Some idiots think all they have to do to get a bundle of
money is to sue somebody. They forget that they need to have a credible
case. They also forget that the only ones who make real money on the
case are the lawyers, I wonder what this guys lawyer was like?
Anyway, I was dismissed. Weird eh? <g>
Very.
--
John #1782
"We should always be disposed to believe that which appears to us to be
white is really black, if the hierarchy of the church so decides."
- Saint Ignatius Loyola (1491-1556) Founder of the Jesuit Order.
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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24 Aug 2007 02:17:42 PM |
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On Fri, 24 Aug 2007 08:50:14 -0500, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<gmail@com.mkbilbo> wrote:
Why do I foresee a very irritated judge in someone's future?
Or a very stupid one. Crazier suits have been won.
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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26 Aug 2007 08:28:17 AM |
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On Fri, 24 Aug 2007 15:17:42 -0400, Al Klein wrote:
On Fri, 24 Aug 2007 08:50:14 -0500, "Mark K. Bilbo" <gmail@com.mkbilbo>
wrote:
Why do I foresee a very irritated judge in someone's future?
Or a very stupid one. Crazier suits have been won.
But most often end up in front of an irritated appeals court...
--
Mark K. Bilbo a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
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"You believe in a book that has talking animals, wizards,
witches, demons, sticks turning into snakes, food falling
from the sky, people walking on water, and all sorts of magical,
absurd and primitive stories, and you say that *we* are the
ones that need help?" - Jon Stoll
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| User: "JohnN" |
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24 Aug 2007 09:29:22 AM |
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On Aug 23, 7:17 pm, johac <jhachm...@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote:
In article <1187904109.319712.252...@i38g2000prf.googlegroups.com>,
Budikka666 <budik...@netscape.net> wrote:
PZ Myers atwww.scienceblogs.com/pharyngulais being sued by a guy
Stuart Pivar, who asked him to review his book: LifeCode: The Theory
of Biological Self Organization, and apparently didn't like the
negative review:
http://tinyurl.com/2m462z
There's more info at Panda's Thumb:
http://tinyurl.com/yuofc4
Budikka
That's crazy. Pivar asked him to review the book and Meyers did. Review
doesn't mean promote. Pivar should have found another reviewer.
Or written a better book.
JohnN
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24 Aug 2007 06:13:52 PM |
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In article <1187965762.624260.293800@l22g2000prc.googlegroups.com>,
JohnN <jnorris53@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Aug 23, 7:17 pm, johac <jhachm...@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote:
In article <1187904109.319712.252...@i38g2000prf.googlegroups.com>,
Budikka666 <budik...@netscape.net> wrote:
PZ Myers atwww.scienceblogs.com/pharyngulais being sued by a guy
Stuart Pivar, who asked him to review his book: LifeCode: The Theory
of Biological Self Organization, and apparently didn't like the
negative review:
http://tinyurl.com/2m462z
There's more info at Panda's Thumb:
http://tinyurl.com/yuofc4
Budikka
That's crazy. Pivar asked him to review the book and Meyers did. Review
doesn't mean promote. Pivar should have found another reviewer.
Or written a better book.
True. Good point.
JohnN
--
John #1782
"We should always be disposed to believe that which appears to us to be
white is really black, if the hierarchy of the church so decides."
- Saint Ignatius Loyola (1491-1556) Founder of the Jesuit Order.
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