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04 Sep 2003 03:04:21 PM |
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'Science cannot provide all the answers' |
'Science cannot provide all the answers'
http://www.guardian.co.uk/life/feature/story/0,13026,1034872,00.html
Why do so many scientists believe in God? Tim Radford reports
Thursday September 4, 2003
The Guardian
Colin Humphreys is a dyed-in-the-wool materialist. That is, he is
professor of materials science at Cambridge. He believes in the power
of science to explain the nature of matter. He believes that humans -
like all other living things - evolved through the action of natural
selection upon random mutation. He is also a Baptist. He believes in
the story of Moses, as recounted in the biblical book of Exodus. He
believes in it enough to have explored Egypt and the Holy Land in
search of natural or scientific explanations for the story of the
burning bush, the 10 plagues of Egypt, the crossing of the Red Sea and
the manna that fell in the wilderness -and then written a book about
it.
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12 Sep 2003 10:54:11 AM |
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On Fri, 12 Sep 2003 04:27:38 +0000 (UTC), (Walter
Bushell) wrote:
Jesus Christ <Jesus@christ.hvn> wrote:
"Bobby D. Bryant" <bdbryant@mail.utexas.edu> :
On Sun, 07 Sep 2003 17:23:32 +0000, Jesus Christ wrote:
"Klaus Hellnick" <khellnick@houston.rr.com> :
Something as bizarre as the Nile turning to blood
Recorded many times
Where?
The Journal of Historical Satire.
Just to clarify who we're talking to... are you Jesus H. Christ,
or Jesus F. Christ, or one of the many other Jesi?
Jesus R. Christ. These are not the saviours you're looking for.
Jedi mind tricks only work on the weak minded.
"Jedi mind tricks only work on the weak minded."
(hmm wonder why I said that...oh well.)
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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12 Sep 2003 03:02:31 AM |
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On Tue, 09 Sep 2003 01:06:11 +0000, Jesus Christ wrote:
"Bobby D. Bryant" <bdbryant@mail.utexas.edu> :
On Sun, 07 Sep 2003 17:23:32 +0000, Jesus Christ wrote:
"Klaus Hellnick" <khellnick@houston.rr.com> :
Something as bizarre as the Nile turning to blood
Recorded many times
Where?
The Journal of Historical Satire.
Just to clarify who we're talking to... are you Jesus H. Christ, or
Jesus F. Christ, or one of the many other Jesi?
Jesus R. Christ. These are not the saviours you're looking for.
These are not the saviors we're looking for...
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Mark K. Bilbo
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| User: "Jesus Christ" |
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12 Sep 2003 05:17:51 AM |
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"Mark K. Bilbo" <iskanipa-y@hoo.com> :
Something as bizarre as the Nile turning to blood
Recorded many times
Where?
The Journal of Historical Satire.
Just to clarify who we're talking to... are you Jesus H. Christ, or
Jesus F. Christ, or one of the many other Jesi?
Jesus R. Christ. These are not the saviours you're looking for.
These are not the saviors we're looking for...
Move along!
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| User: "Douglas Berry" |
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| Title: Re: 'Science cannot provide all the answers' |
07 Sep 2003 10:28:55 AM |
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On Sat, 6 Sep 2003 04:34:31 +0000 (UTC), several witnesses claim to
have seen Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> scrawl a message on the
wall:
On Fri, 5 Sep 2003 13:37:54 +0000 (UTC), Gregory Gadow
<techbear@serv.net> posted in alt.atheism:
Something as bizarre as the Nile turning to blood
Recorded many times
Cite?
or a hail of fire
Also scientifically explainable
Sure, but the point is that the Egyptians never mentioned it. Nor any
other of the events recorded in Exodus. It didn't happen.
--
Douglas Berry
http://gridlore.home.mindspring.com
Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
Ezekiel 13:20 "Wherefore thus saith the
Lord GOD; Behold, I am against your pillows"
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| User: "Christopher A. Lee" |
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07 Sep 2003 07:06:35 PM |
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On Mon, 8 Sep 2003 00:03:37 +0000 (UTC), Al Klein
<rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote:
On Sun, 7 Sep 2003 15:28:55 +0000 (UTC), Douglas Berry
<gridlore@mindspring.com> posted in alt.atheism:
Sure, but the point is that the Egyptians never mentioned it. Nor any
other of the events recorded in Exodus. It didn't happen.
Oh, no argument, and not just because they never recorded it. Lack of
evidence is poor evidence of lack. But our failure to find tens of
thousands of tons of coprolites is pretty convincing. If it were
there it would be difficult to find the sand.
Sounds like a particularly shitty task.
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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08 Sep 2003 07:32:25 PM |
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On Mon, 8 Sep 2003 00:06:35 +0000 (UTC), "Christopher A. Lee"
<calee@optonline.net> posted in alt.atheism:
On Mon, 8 Sep 2003 00:03:37 +0000 (UTC), Al Klein
<rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote:
On Sun, 7 Sep 2003 15:28:55 +0000 (UTC), Douglas Berry
<gridlore@mindspring.com> posted in alt.atheism:
Sure, but the point is that the Egyptians never mentioned it. Nor any
other of the events recorded in Exodus. It didn't happen.
Oh, no argument, and not just because they never recorded it. Lack of
evidence is poor evidence of lack. But our failure to find tens of
thousands of tons of coprolites is pretty convincing. If it were
there it would be difficult to find the sand.
Sounds like a particularly shitty task.
Yeah, okay. :)
Actually coprolites are like rocks.
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"The doctrine that the earth is neither the center of the universe nor immovable, but
moves even with a daily rotation, is absurd, and both philosophically and theologically
false, and at the least an error of faith."
- Catholic Church's decision against Galileo Galilei
(random sig, produced by SigChanger)
rukbat at optonline dot net
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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14 Sep 2003 07:52:26 PM |
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On Sat, 13 Sep 2003 16:35:53 +0000 (UTC), (Walter
Bushell) posted in alt.atheism:
Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote:
On Fri, 12 Sep 2003 17:22:40 +0000 (UTC), (Walter
Bushell) posted in alt.atheism:
Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote:
Oh, no argument, and not just because they never recorded it. Lack of
evidence is poor evidence of lack. But our failure to find tens of
thousands of tons of coprolites is pretty convincing. If it were
there it would be difficult to find the sand.
The abscence is due to the "special properties" of manna, the miracle
food.
"Special properties"? Like non-existence?
If it's all you eat you don't need to excrete solids. ;)
After a while you don't even need to exhale CO2.
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"To surrender to ignorance and call it God has always been premature, and it remains
premature today."
- Isaac Asimov
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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| Title: Re: 'Science cannot provide all the answers' |
07 Sep 2003 07:03:37 PM |
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On Sun, 7 Sep 2003 15:28:55 +0000 (UTC), Douglas Berry
<gridlore@mindspring.com> posted in alt.atheism:
Sure, but the point is that the Egyptians never mentioned it. Nor any
other of the events recorded in Exodus. It didn't happen.
Oh, no argument, and not just because they never recorded it. Lack of
evidence is poor evidence of lack. But our failure to find tens of
thousands of tons of coprolites is pretty convincing. If it were
there it would be difficult to find the sand.
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"My position concerning God is that of an agnostic. I am convinced that a vivid
consciousness of the primary importance of moral principles for the betterment and
ennoblement of life does not need the idea of a law-giver, especially a law-giver who
works on the basis of reward and punishment. "
- Letter to M. Berkowitz, October 25, 1950; Einstein Archive 59-215
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rukbat at optonline dot net
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| User: "Walter Bushell" |
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| Title: Re: 'Science cannot provide all the answers' |
12 Sep 2003 12:22:40 PM |
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Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote:
On Sun, 7 Sep 2003 15:28:55 +0000 (UTC), Douglas Berry
<gridlore@mindspring.com> posted in alt.atheism:
Sure, but the point is that the Egyptians never mentioned it. Nor any
other of the events recorded in Exodus. It didn't happen.
Oh, no argument, and not just because they never recorded it. Lack of
evidence is poor evidence of lack. But our failure to find tens of
thousands of tons of coprolites is pretty convincing. If it were
there it would be difficult to find the sand.
The abscence is due to the "special properties" of manna, the miracle
food.
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The last temptation is the highest treason:
To do the right thing for the wrong reason. --T..S. Eliot
Walter
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| User: "Jesus Christ" |
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14 Sep 2003 09:22:25 PM |
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(Walter Bushell) :
Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote:
On Sun, 7 Sep 2003 15:28:55 +0000 (UTC), Douglas Berry
<gridlore@mindspring.com> posted in alt.atheism:
Sure, but the point is that the Egyptians never mentioned it. Nor
any other of the events recorded in Exodus. It didn't happen.
Oh, no argument, and not just because they never recorded it. Lack
of evidence is poor evidence of lack. But our failure to find tens
of thousands of tons of coprolites is pretty convincing. If it were
there it would be difficult to find the sand.
The abscence is due to the "special properties" of manna, the miracle
food.
Poo-free food!
The problem is that everything that makes food good is what winds up as
poo... manna must've tasted pretty bland.
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| User: "John Wilkins" |
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14 Sep 2003 11:34:20 PM |
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Jesus Christ <Jesus@christ.hvn> wrote:
proto@panix.com (Walter Bushell) :
Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote:
On Sun, 7 Sep 2003 15:28:55 +0000 (UTC), Douglas Berry
<gridlore@mindspring.com> posted in alt.atheism:
Sure, but the point is that the Egyptians never mentioned it. Nor
any other of the events recorded in Exodus. It didn't happen.
Oh, no argument, and not just because they never recorded it. Lack
of evidence is poor evidence of lack. But our failure to find tens
of thousands of tons of coprolites is pretty convincing. If it were
there it would be difficult to find the sand.
The abscence is due to the "special properties" of manna, the miracle
food.
Poo-free food!
The problem is that everything that makes food good is what winds up as
poo... manna must've tasted pretty bland.
Of course, it tasted like chicken.
--
John Wilkins wilkins.id.au
For long you live and high you fly,
and smiles you'll give and tears you'll cry
and all you touch and all you see is all your life will ever be
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| User: "Walter Bushell" |
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15 Sep 2003 02:43:37 PM |
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John Wilkins <wilkins@wehi.edu.au> wrote:
Jesus Christ <Jesus@christ.hvn> wrote:
proto@panix.com (Walter Bushell) :
Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote:
On Sun, 7 Sep 2003 15:28:55 +0000 (UTC), Douglas Berry
<gridlore@mindspring.com> posted in alt.atheism:
Sure, but the point is that the Egyptians never mentioned it. Nor
any other of the events recorded in Exodus. It didn't happen.
Oh, no argument, and not just because they never recorded it. Lack
of evidence is poor evidence of lack. But our failure to find tens
of thousands of tons of coprolites is pretty convincing. If it were
there it would be difficult to find the sand.
The abscence is due to the "special properties" of manna, the miracle
food.
Poo-free food!
The problem is that everything that makes food good is what winds up as
poo... manna must've tasted pretty bland.
Of course, it tasted like chicken.
About manna being bland, the Hebrews were complaining about the lack of
onions and nothing but manna to eat, so there is Biblical evidence (fow
what that is worth) to show manna was bland. Sort of like Wonder Bread
without the sugar.
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The last temptation is the highest treason:
To do the right thing for the wrong reason. --T..S. Eliot
Walter
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| User: "Jesus Christ" |
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15 Sep 2003 04:25:21 PM |
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(Walter Bushell) :
Oh, no argument, and not just because they never recorded it.
Lack of evidence is poor evidence of lack. But our failure to
find tens of thousands of tons of coprolites is pretty
convincing. If it were there it would be difficult to find
the sand.
The abscence is due to the "special properties" of manna, the
miracle food.
Poo-free food!
The problem is that everything that makes food good is what winds
up as poo... manna must've tasted pretty bland.
Of course, it tasted like chicken.
About manna being bland, the Hebrews were complaining about the lack
of onions and nothing but manna to eat, so there is Biblical evidence
(fow what that is worth) to show manna was bland. Sort of like Wonder
Bread without the sugar.
There are also verses telling the Hebrews what to do with their feces, so
the pooless food conjecture is false.
As an aside, the fact that the Hebrews had to go outside of the camp and
bury their crap is just one of the many items that make the whole exodus
of over 600,000 logistically impossible.
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| User: "Earle Jones" |
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15 Sep 2003 06:58:52 PM |
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In article <Xns93F7B1D3FB186fart@206.172.150.13>,
Jesus Christ <Jesus@christ.hvn> wrote:
[...]
There are also verses telling the Hebrews what to do with their feces, so
the pooless food conjecture is false.
As an aside, the fact that the Hebrews had to go outside of the camp and
bury their crap is just one of the many items that make the whole exodus
of over 600,000 logistically impossible.
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They didn't bury all of their crap:
"But Rabshakeh said, Hath my master sent me to thy
master and to thee to speak these words? [hath he]
not [sent me] to the men that sit upon the wall,
that they may eat their own dung, and drinktheir
own ***** with you?"
--Isaiah 36:12
earle
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| User: "Jesus Christ" |
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15 Sep 2003 10:03:54 PM |
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Earle Jones <earle.jones@comcast.net> :
Jesus Christ <Jesus@christ.hvn> wrote:
[...]
There are also verses telling the Hebrews what to do with their
feces, so the pooless food conjecture is false.
As an aside, the fact that the Hebrews had to go outside of the camp
and bury their crap is just one of the many items that make the
whole exodus of over 600,000 logistically impossible.
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They didn't bury all of their crap:
"But Rabshakeh said, Hath my master sent me to thy
master and to thee to speak these words? [hath he]
not [sent me] to the men that sit upon the wall,
that they may eat their own dung, and drinktheir
own ***** with you?"
--Isaiah 36:12
Who the hell sits on a wall anyway? Use a chair, I say. They got what
they deserved for such a silly seating arrangement.
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| User: "Walter Bushell" |
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15 Sep 2003 08:23:46 PM |
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Jesus Christ <Jesus@christ.hvn> wrote:
proto@panix.com (Walter Bushell) :
Oh, no argument, and not just because they never recorded it.
Lack of evidence is poor evidence of lack. But our failure to
find tens of thousands of tons of coprolites is pretty
convincing. If it were there it would be difficult to find
the sand.
The abscence is due to the "special properties" of manna, the
miracle food.
Poo-free food!
The problem is that everything that makes food good is what winds
up as poo... manna must've tasted pretty bland.
Of course, it tasted like chicken.
About manna being bland, the Hebrews were complaining about the lack
of onions and nothing but manna to eat, so there is Biblical evidence
(fow what that is worth) to show manna was bland. Sort of like Wonder
Bread without the sugar.
There are also verses telling the Hebrews what to do with their feces, so
the pooless food conjecture is false.
As an aside, the fact that the Hebrews had to go outside of the camp and
bury their crap is just one of the many items that make the whole exodus
of over 600,000 logistically impossible.
Such a nice theory to be killed by such an inconvient factoid.
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The last temptation is the highest treason:
To do the right thing for the wrong reason. --T..S. Eliot
Walter
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| User: "Jesus Christ" |
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15 Sep 2003 10:03:17 PM |
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(Walter Bushell) :
Oh, no argument, and not just because they never recorded
it. Lack of evidence is poor evidence of lack. But our
failure to find tens of thousands of tons of coprolites is
pretty convincing. If it were there it would be difficult
to find the sand.
The abscence is due to the "special properties" of manna,
the miracle food.
Poo-free food!
The problem is that everything that makes food good is what
winds up as poo... manna must've tasted pretty bland.
Of course, it tasted like chicken.
About manna being bland, the Hebrews were complaining about the
lack of onions and nothing but manna to eat, so there is Biblical
evidence (fow what that is worth) to show manna was bland. Sort of
like Wonder Bread without the sugar.
There are also verses telling the Hebrews what to do with their
feces, so the pooless food conjecture is false.
As an aside, the fact that the Hebrews had to go outside of the camp
and bury their crap is just one of the many items that make the
whole exodus of over 600,000 logistically impossible.
Such a nice theory to be killed by such an inconvient factoid.
Sort of like how Intelligent Design "theory" is killed off by five
seconds of thought.
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| User: "j" |
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| Title: Re: 'Science cannot provide all the answers' |
15 Sep 2003 10:29:23 PM |
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(Walter Bushell) wrote in message news:<1g1brx4.1b1u0pgqgp0q4N%>...
About manna being bland, the Hebrews were complaining about the lack of
onions and nothing but manna to eat...
The Hebrews complained so much (that they wanted to eat meat) that the
Lord rained down upon them enormous quantities of quail to eat until
it "becomes loathsome to you". Numbers 11:4-32.
I initially thought this was a joke. Pretty funny, though.
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| User: "John Wilkins" |
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15 Sep 2003 11:16:30 PM |
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j <joseph707@hotmail.com> wrote:
proto@panix.com (Walter Bushell) wrote:
About manna being bland, the Hebrews were complaining about the lack of
onions and nothing but manna to eat...
The Hebrews complained so much (that they wanted to eat meat) that the
Lord rained down upon them enormous quantities of quail to eat until
it "becomes loathsome to you". Numbers 11:4-32.
I initially thought this was a joke. Pretty funny, though.
Hence the expression, "to quail before the Lord"...
--
John Wilkins wilkins.id.au
For long you live and high you fly,
and smiles you'll give and tears you'll cry
and all you touch and all you see is all your life will ever be
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