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"Pahu" |
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12 Jul 2007 04:21:59 PM |
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Science Disproves Evolution |
Missing Mass
"Of all the many mysteries of modern astronomy, none is more vexing
than the nature of dark matter. Most astronomers believe that large
quantities of some unidentified material pervade the universe....Yet
this dark matter has eluded every effort by astronomers and physicists
to bring it out of the shadows. A handful of us suspect that it might
not really exist, and others are beginning to consider this
possibility seriously." Mordehai Milgrom, "Does Dark Matter Really
Exist?" Scientific American, Vol. 287, August 2002, p. 43.
"Even the most enthusiastic cosmologist will admit that current
theories of the nature of the universe have some big holes. One such
gap is that the universe seems to be younger than some of the objects
contained within it. Another problem is that the observed universe
just doesn't appear to have enough matter in it to explain the way it
behaves now, nor the way theorists predict it will evolve." Robert
Matthews, "Spoiling a Universal 'Fudge Factor,'" Science, Vol. 265, 5
August 1994, pp. 740-741.
The "missing mass problem" can be stated more directly. If the big
bang occurred, the total mass of the expanding universe should have a
very precise relationship with the outward velocities and distances of
all galaxies and other matter. This mass must not deviate from this
amount by even one part in 10^55 (ten thousand million billion
trillion trillion trillion).
If the mass were slightly greater than this critical value (the
closed condition):
i. gravity would have quickly collapsed all the matter in the
universe into one big ball, perhaps within seconds,
ii. we would not be here to wonder how everything began.
If the mass were slightly less than this critical value (the open
condition):
i. particles would have expanded indefinitely,
ii. stars and galaxies would not have formed, and
iii. we would not be here to think about it.
The estimated mass of the visible universe is less than a 10th of
this critical value. Stars and galaxies exist. Therefore, the big bang
probably did not occur. Faith in the big bang theory requires
believing that a vast amount of invisible, unmeasurable mass is hidden
somewhere.
This problem can be viewed another way. If the universe began in a
big bang billions of years ago, it should:
i. have collapsed on itself (closed), or
ii. have expanded so much that stars and galaxies could never have
formed (open), or
iii. have expansion velocities for most visible particles in the
universe that lie within a ridiculously tight one part in 10^55 of
their escape velocities!
Consequently, the universe probably did not begin in a big bang
billions of years ago.
Theories for the Evolution of the Solar System and Universe Are
Unscientific and Hopelessly Inadequate
http://www.creationscience.com/
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| User: "Carl Wilson" |
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| Title: Re: Science Disproves Evolution |
13 Jul 2007 12:34:59 AM |
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On Thu, 12 Jul 2007 14:21:59 -0700, Pahu <pahu70@yahoo.com> wrote the
following in alt.atheism:
Missing Mass
Between your ears....
[...]
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| User: "Don Martin" |
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| Title: Re: Science Disproves Evolution |
12 Jul 2007 05:35:14 PM |
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On Thu, 12 Jul 2007 14:21:59 -0700, Pahu <pahu70@yahoo.com> wrote:
Missing Mass
"Of all the many mysteries of modern astronomy, none is more vexing
than the nature of dark matter. Most astronomers believe that large
quantities of some unidentified material pervade the universe....Yet
this dark matter has eluded every effort by astronomers and physicists
to bring it out of the shadows. A handful of us suspect that it might
not really exist, and others are beginning to consider this
possibility seriously." Mordehai Milgrom, "Does Dark Matter Really
Exist?" Scientific American, Vol. 287, August 2002, p. 43.
"Even the most enthusiastic cosmologist will admit that current
theories of the nature of the universe have some big holes. One such
gap is that the universe seems to be younger than some of the objects
contained within it. Another problem is that the observed universe
just doesn't appear to have enough matter in it to explain the way it
behaves now, nor the way theorists predict it will evolve." Robert
Matthews, "Spoiling a Universal 'Fudge Factor,'" Science, Vol. 265, 5
August 1994, pp. 740-741.
The "missing mass problem" can be stated more directly. If the big
bang occurred, the total mass of the expanding universe should have a
very precise relationship with the outward velocities and distances of
all galaxies and other matter. This mass must not deviate from this
amount by even one part in 10^55 (ten thousand million billion
trillion trillion trillion).
If the mass were slightly greater than this critical value (the
closed condition):
i. gravity would have quickly collapsed all the matter in the
universe into one big ball, perhaps within seconds,
ii. we would not be here to wonder how everything began.
If the mass were slightly less than this critical value (the open
condition):
i. particles would have expanded indefinitely,
ii. stars and galaxies would not have formed, and
iii. we would not be here to think about it.
The estimated mass of the visible universe is less than a 10th of
this critical value. Stars and galaxies exist. Therefore, the big bang
probably did not occur. Faith in the big bang theory requires
believing that a vast amount of invisible, unmeasurable mass is hidden
somewhere.
This problem can be viewed another way. If the universe began in a
big bang billions of years ago, it should:
i. have collapsed on itself (closed), or
ii. have expanded so much that stars and galaxies could never have
formed (open), or
iii. have expansion velocities for most visible particles in the
universe that lie within a ridiculously tight one part in 10^55 of
their escape velocities!
Consequently, the universe probably did not begin in a big bang
billions of years ago.
Theories for the Evolution of the Solar System and Universe Are
Unscientific and Hopelessly Inadequate
http://www.creationscience.com/
And just what, in the name of Farouk's Fifth Flatulent *****, has this
twaddle to do with evolution?
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| User: "MarkA" |
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| Title: Re: Science Disproves Evolution |
12 Jul 2007 05:11:38 PM |
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On Thu, 12 Jul 2007 14:21:59 -0700, Pahu wrote:
Missing Mass
"Of all the many mysteries of modern astronomy, none is more vexing
than the nature of dark matter. Most astronomers believe that large
quantities of some unidentified material pervade the universe....Yet
this dark matter has eluded every effort by astronomers and physicists
to bring it out of the shadows. A handful of us suspect that it might
not really exist, and others are beginning to consider this
possibility seriously." Mordehai Milgrom, "Does Dark Matter Really
Exist?" Scientific American, Vol. 287, August 2002, p. 43.
Sorry, Einstein. The existence of dark matter is now well established.
"Even the most enthusiastic cosmologist will admit that current
theories of the nature of the universe have some big holes. One such
gap is that the universe seems to be younger than some of the objects
contained within it. Another problem is that the observed universe
just doesn't appear to have enough matter in it to explain the way it
behaves now, nor the way theorists predict it will evolve." Robert
Matthews, "Spoiling a Universal 'Fudge Factor,'" Science, Vol. 265, 5
August 1994, pp. 740-741.
The "missing mass problem" can be stated more directly. If the big
bang occurred, the total mass of the expanding universe should have a
very precise relationship with the outward velocities and distances of
all galaxies and other matter. This mass must not deviate from this
amount by even one part in 10^55 (ten thousand million billion
trillion trillion trillion).
If the mass were slightly greater than this critical value (the
closed condition):
i. gravity would have quickly collapsed all the matter in the
universe into one big ball, perhaps within seconds,
ii. we would not be here to wonder how everything began.
If the mass were slightly less than this critical value (the open
condition):
i. particles would have expanded indefinitely,
ii. stars and galaxies would not have formed, and
iii. we would not be here to think about it.
The estimated mass of the visible universe is less than a 10th of
this critical value. Stars and galaxies exist. Therefore, the big bang
probably did not occur. Faith in the big bang theory requires
believing that a vast amount of invisible, unmeasurable mass is hidden
somewhere.
Here's another possibility: Examining a Universe 12 billion light years
across from our particular vantage point is difficult, and there is a very
slight possibility that we don't have all the pieces of the puzzle.
This problem can be viewed another way. If the universe began in a
big bang billions of years ago, it should:
i. have collapsed on itself (closed), or
ii. have expanded so much that stars and galaxies could never have
formed (open), or
iii. have expansion velocities for most visible particles in the
universe that lie within a ridiculously tight one part in 10^55 of
their escape velocities!
Consequently, the universe probably did not begin in a big bang
billions of years ago.
Theories for the Evolution of the Solar System and Universe Are
Unscientific and Hopelessly Inadequate
http://www.creationscience.com/
And yet another way to view the problem: scientists, working hard to
understand the workings of our universe, have to work in an environment
filled with fuckwits like Pahu, who think that "Goddidit" is a workable
scientific theory.
--
MarkA
(My OTHER sig line is clever)
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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| Title: Re: Science Disproves Evolution |
13 Jul 2007 11:47:11 AM |
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On Thu, 12 Jul 2007 14:21:59 -0700, Pahu wrote:
Missing Mass
Your brain.
--
Mark K. Bilbo a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
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"Fascism should more appropriately be called Corporatism,
because it is a merger of State and corporate power."
- Mussolini
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| User: "Uncle Vic" |
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| Title: Re: Science Disproves Evolution |
12 Jul 2007 07:36:50 PM |
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One fine day in alt.atheism, Pahu <pahu70@yahoo.com> bloodied us up with
this:
creationscience.com/
oxymoron.com
--
Uncle Vic
aa Atheist #2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department.
Convicted by Earthquack.
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| User: "Llanzlan Klazmon the 15th" |
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| Title: Re: Science Disproves Evolution |
12 Jul 2007 07:53:36 PM |
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Pahu <pahu70@yahoo.com> wrote in news:1184275319.501108.258850
@m3g2000hsh.googlegroups.com:
Missing Mass
Has nothing to do with evolution.
"Of all the many mysteries of modern astronomy, none is more vexing
than the nature of dark matter. Most astronomers believe that large
quantities of some unidentified material pervade the universe....Yet
this dark matter has eluded every effort by astronomers and physicists
to bring it out of the shadows. A handful of us suspect that it might
not really exist,
Us? speak for yourself.
Read and weep:
http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/ap060824.html
Klazmon.
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