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Topic: Religions > Atheism
User: "Pahu"
Date: 25 Oct 2007 02:31:44 PM
Object: Science Disproves Evolution
Humanlike Footprints
Humanlike footprints, supposedly 150-600 million years old, have been
found in rock formations in Utah (a), Kentucky (b), Missouri (c), and
possibly Pennsylvania (d). At Laetoli, in the east African country of
Tanzania, a team headed by Mary Leakey found a sequence of humanlike
footprints (e). They were dated at 3.7 million years. If human feet
made any of these prints, then evolutionary chronology is drastically
wrong.
a. Melvin A. Cook, "William J. Meister Discovery of Human Footprints
with Trilobites in a Cambrian Formation of Western Utah," Why Not
Creation? editor Walter E. Lammerts (Phillipsburg, New Jersey:
Presbyterian and Reformed Publishing Co., 1970), pp. 185-193.
Michael A. Cremo and Richard L. Thompson, Forbidden Archeology (San
Diego: Bhaktivedanta Institute, 1993), pp. 810-813.
b. "Geology and Ethnology Disagree about Rock Prints," Science News
Letter, 10 December 1938, p. 372.
c. Henry R. Schoolcraft and Thomas H. Benton, "Remarks on the Prints
of Human Feet, Observed in the Secondary Limestone of the Mississippi
Valley," The American Journal of Science and Arts, Vol. 5, 1822, pp.
223-231.
d. "Human-Like Tracks in Stone are Riddle to Scientists," Science News
Letter, 29 October 1938, pp. 278-279.
e. " 'Make no mistake about it,' says Tim [White, who is probably
recognized as the leading authority on the Laetoli footprints]. 'They
are like modern human footprints. If one were left in the sand of a
California beach today, and a four-year-old were asked what it was, he
would instantly say that someone had walked there. He wouldn't be able
to tell it from a hundred other prints on the beach, nor would you.
The external morphology is the same. There is a well-shaped modern
heel with a strong arch and a good ball of the foot in front of it.
The big toe is straight in line. It doesn't stick out to the side like
an ape toe, or like the big toe in so many drawings you see of
Australopithecines in books.' " Johanson and Edey, p. 250.
The big toe of Australopithecus africanus splayed out to the side, as
in apes. Obviously, the Laetoli footprints were not made by
Australopithecines, as most evolutionists claim.
"In sum, the 3.5-million-year-old footprint trails at Laetoli Site G
resemble those of habitually unshod modern humans. None of their
features suggest that the Laetoli hominids were less capable bipeds
than we are. If the G footprints were not known to be so old, we would
readily conclude that they were made by a member of our genus,
Homo. ... we should shelve the loose assumption that the Laetoli
footprints were made by Lucy's kind, Australopithecus afarensis."
Russell H. Tuttle, "The Pitted Pattern of Laetoli Feet," Natural
History, Vol. 99, March 1990, p. 64.
Techniques That Argue for an Old Earth Are Either Illogical or Are
Based on Unreasonable Assumptions.
To estimate a date prior to the beginning of written records, one must
assume that the dating clock has operated at a known rate, that the
clock's initial setting is known, and that the clock has not been
disturbed. These three assumptions are almost always unstated,
overlooked, or invalid.
http://www.creationscience.com/
.

User: "Ben Kaufman"

Title: Re: Science Disproves Evolution 26 Oct 2007 08:17:14 PM
On Thu, 25 Oct 2007 12:31:44 -0700, Pahu <pahu70@yahoo.com> wrote:

Humanlike Footprints

<SNIP>
My dog makes human like groans. Maybe Pahu will make some creation science up
about that.
Ben
.
User: "Al Klein"

Title: Re: Science Disproves Evolution 27 Oct 2007 03:26:36 PM
On Fri, 26 Oct 2007 21:17:14 -0400, Ben Kaufman
<spaXm-mXe-anXd-paXy-5000-dollars@pobox.com> wrote:

On Thu, 25 Oct 2007 12:31:44 -0700, Pahu <pahu70@yahoo.com> wrote:

Humanlike Footprints

<SNIP>

My dog makes human like groans. Maybe Pahu will make some creation science up
about that.

Ask your dog - he's far more intelligent than Pahu.
--
Al at Webdingers dot com
"I sit on a man's back, choking him and making him carry me, and yet
assure myself and others that I am very sorry for him and wish to ease his
lot by all possible means - except by getting off his back." -
- Tolstoy as/on Jesus
.
User: "Ben Kaufman"

Title: Re: Science Disproves Evolution 28 Oct 2007 06:50:13 AM
On Sat, 27 Oct 2007 16:26:36 -0400, Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote:

On Fri, 26 Oct 2007 21:17:14 -0400, Ben Kaufman
<spaXm-mXe-anXd-paXy-5000-dollars@pobox.com> wrote:

On Thu, 25 Oct 2007 12:31:44 -0700, Pahu <pahu70@yahoo.com> wrote:

Humanlike Footprints

<SNIP>

My dog makes human like groans. Maybe Pahu will make some creation science up
about that.


Ask your dog - he's far more intelligent than Pahu.

My dog says that Pahu is probably not getting enough protein in his kibble.
Ben
.



User: "Al Klein"

Title: Re: Science Disproves Evolution 25 Oct 2007 03:16:23 PM
On Thu, 25 Oct 2007 12:31:44 -0700, Pahu <pahu70@yahoo.com> wrote:

Humanlike Footprints
Humanlike footprints, supposedly 150-600 million years old, have been
found in rock formations in Utah (a), Kentucky (b), Missouri (c), and
possibly Pennsylvania (d).

"Humanlike" doesn't mean "made by human beings".

At Laetoli, in the east African country of
Tanzania, a team headed by Mary Leakey found a sequence of humanlike
footprints (e). They were dated at 3.7 million years. If human feet
made any of these prints, then evolutionary chronology is drastically
wrong.

Nope - "evolutionary chronology" says that our Australopithecine
ancestors lived there ca. 3.7 mya, so we SHOULD expect to find there
remains at that level.

e. " 'Make no mistake about it,' says Tim [White, who is probably
recognized as the leading authority on the Laetoli footprints]. 'They
are like modern human footprints. If one were left in the sand of a
California beach today, and a four-year-old were asked what it was, he
would instantly say that someone had walked there. He wouldn't be able
to tell it from a hundred other prints on the beach, nor would you.
The external morphology is the same. There is a well-shaped modern
heel with a strong arch and a good ball of the foot in front of it.
The big toe is straight in line. It doesn't stick out to the side like
an ape toe, or like the big toe in so many drawings you see of
Australopithecines in books.' " Johanson and Edey, p. 250.

Meaning that the drawings are wrong.

The big toe of Australopithecus africanus splayed out to the side, as
in apes.

No, as is obvious from the tracks, it's not. As is also obvious, we
got the drawings wrong.

"In sum, the 3.5-million-year-old footprint trails at Laetoli Site G
resemble those of habitually unshod modern humans. None of their
features suggest that the Laetoli hominids were less capable bipeds
than we are. If the G footprints were not known to be so old, we would
readily conclude that they were made by a member of our genus,
Homo. ... we should shelve the loose assumption that the Laetoli
footprints were made by Lucy's kind, Australopithecus afarensis."
Russell H. Tuttle, "The Pitted Pattern of Laetoli Feet," Natural
History, Vol. 99, March 1990, p. 64.

So the Laetoli footprints weren't made by Austalopithecines, they were
made by Australopithecines. I stand corrected.
(Someone help me - I'm laughing and I can't get up.)

Techniques That Argue for an Old Earth Are Either Illogical or Are
Based on Unreasonable Assumptions.
To estimate a date prior to the beginning of written records, one must
assume that the dating clock has operated at a known rate

Or one can just show that it has.

that the clock's initial setting is known

It is, unless objective reality isn't objectively real.

and that the clock has not been disturbed.

If it has been we see that, and don't use that particular clock.

These three assumptions are almost always unstated,
overlooked, or invalid.

That's true of the argument, not of radiometric dating. It's invalid.
--
Al at Webdingers dot com
"The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of
themselves, but wiser people so full of doubts."
- Bertrand Russell
.

User: "Mark K. Bilbo"

Title: Re: Pupu Disproves His Sanity 25 Oct 2007 06:23:57 PM
On Thu, 25 Oct 2007 12:31:44 -0700, Pahu wrote:

Humanlike Brains

Yet they're not.
--
Mark K. Bilbo a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
------------------------------------------------------------
"How come God gets credit whenever something good happens? Where was he
when her heart stopped?"
- Dr. House
.

User: "MarkA"

Title: Re: Science Disproves Evolution 25 Oct 2007 03:57:48 PM
On Thu, 25 Oct 2007 12:31:44 -0700, Pahu wrote:

Humanlike Footprints

Humanlike footprints, supposedly 150-600 million years old, have been
found in rock formations in Utah (a), Kentucky (b), Missouri (c), and
possibly Pennsylvania (d). At Laetoli, in the east African country of
Tanzania, a team headed by Mary Leakey found a sequence of humanlike
footprints (e). They were dated at 3.7 million years. If human feet
made any of these prints, then evolutionary chronology is drastically
wrong.

Pretty much any eroded depression in a rock can be interpreted as a "human
like footprint." If you want to re-write the chronology of human
evolution, you are going to need stronger evidence than that.

a. Melvin A. Cook, "William J. Meister Discovery of Human Footprints
with Trilobites in a Cambrian Formation of Western Utah," Why Not
Creation? editor Walter E. Lammerts (Phillipsburg, New Jersey:
Presbyterian and Reformed Publishing Co., 1970), pp. 185-193.

Michael A. Cremo and Richard L. Thompson, Forbidden Archeology (San
Diego: Bhaktivedanta Institute, 1993), pp. 810-813.

b. "Geology and Ethnology Disagree about Rock Prints," Science News
Letter, 10 December 1938, p. 372.

c. Henry R. Schoolcraft and Thomas H. Benton, "Remarks on the Prints of
Human Feet, Observed in the Secondary Limestone of the Mississippi
Valley," The American Journal of Science and Arts, Vol. 5, 1822, pp.
223-231.

d. "Human-Like Tracks in Stone are Riddle to Scientists," Science News
Letter, 29 October 1938, pp. 278-279.

e. " 'Make no mistake about it,' says Tim [White, who is probably
recognized as the leading authority on the Laetoli footprints]. 'They
are like modern human footprints. If one were left in the sand of a
California beach today, and a four-year-old were asked what it was, he
would instantly say that someone had walked there. He wouldn't be able
to tell it from a hundred other prints on the beach, nor would you. The
external morphology is the same. There is a well-shaped modern heel with
a strong arch and a good ball of the foot in front of it. The big toe is
straight in line. It doesn't stick out to the side like an ape toe, or
like the big toe in so many drawings you see of Australopithecines in
books.' " Johanson and Edey, p. 250.

The big toe of Australopithecus africanus splayed out to the side, as in
apes. Obviously, the Laetoli footprints were not made by
Australopithecines, as most evolutionists claim.

"In sum, the 3.5-million-year-old footprint trails at Laetoli Site G
resemble those of habitually unshod modern humans. None of their
features suggest that the Laetoli hominids were less capable bipeds than
we are. If the G footprints were not known to be so old, we would
readily conclude that they were made by a member of our genus, Homo. ...
we should shelve the loose assumption that the Laetoli footprints were
made by Lucy's kind, Australopithecus afarensis." Russell H. Tuttle,
"The Pitted Pattern of Laetoli Feet," Natural History, Vol. 99, March
1990, p. 64.

There is some controversy among legitimate scientists about the
classification of the Laetoli footprints. Creationists like to omit the
fact that the creature that made them was only 4 feet tall, and whether or
not he was one of the known species of Australopithecines, he certainly
was NOT a modern human.

Techniques That Argue for an Old Earth Are Either Illogical or Are Based
on Unreasonable Assumptions.
To estimate a date prior to the beginning of written records, one must
assume that the dating clock has operated at a known rate, that the
clock's initial setting is known, and that the clock has not been
disturbed. These three assumptions are almost always unstated,
overlooked, or invalid.

The usual method of dating ancient rocks involves decay of radioisotopes.
No process in the currently known universe is more consistent than
radioactive decay. Ergo, it is reasonable to assume that our dates are
accurate.

http://www.creationscience.com/

Creationism is the opposite of science.
--
MarkA
(My OTHER sig line is clever)
.


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