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Science, 'frauds' trigger a decline in atheism |
Science, 'frauds' trigger a decline in atheism
By Uwe Siemon-Netto
United Press International
The Wahington Times
March 4, 2005
Gurat, France - Godlessness is in trouble, according to a
growing consensus among philosophers, intellectuals and
scholars.
"Atheism as a theoretical position is in decline
worldwide," Munich theologian Wolfhart Pannenberg said in
an interview.
His Oxford colleague Alister McGrath agrees.
Atheism's "future seems increasingly to lie in the
private beliefs of individuals rather than in the great
public domain it once regarded as its habitat," Mr.
McGrath wrote in the U.S. magazine, Christianity Today.
Two developments are plaguing atheism these days. One is
that it appears to be losing its scientific
underpinnings.
The other is the historical experience of hundreds of
millions of people worldwide that atheists are in no
position to claim the moral high ground.
British philosopher Anthony Flew, once as hard-nosed a
humanist as any, has turned his back on atheism, saying
it is impossible for evolution to account for the fact
that one single cell can carry more data than all the
volumes of the Encyclopedia Britannica.
Mr. Flew still does not accept the God of the Bible.
But he has embraced the concept of intelligent design --a
stunning desertion of a former intellectual ambassador of
secular humanism to the belief in some form of
intelligence behind the design of the universe.
A few years ago, European scientists snickered when
studies in the United States -- for example, at Harvard
and Duke universities -- showed a correlation between
faith, prayer and recovery from illness.
Now 1,200 studies at research centers around the world
have come to similar conclusions, according to
"Psychologie Heute," a German journal, citing, for
example, the marked improvement of multiple sclerosis
patients in Germany's Ruhr District because of "spiritual
resources."
Atheism's other Achilles' heels are the acts on
inhumanity and lunacy committed in its name.
"With time, [atheism] turned out to have just as many
frauds, psychopaths and careerists as religion does. ...
With Stalin and Madalyn Murray O'Hair, atheism seems to
have ended up mimicking the vices of the Spanish
Inquisition and the worst televangelists, respectively,"
Mr. McGrath wrote in Christianity Today.
The Rev. Paul M. Zulehner, dean of Vienna University's
divinity school and one of the world's most distinguished
sociologists of religion, said atheists in Europe have
become "an infinitesimally small group."
"There are not enough of them to be used for sociological
research," he said.
Mr. Zulehner cautioned, however, that the decline of
atheism in Europe does not mean that re-Christianization
is taking place.
"What we are observing instead is a re-paganization," he
said.
The Rev. Gerald McDermott, an Episcopal priest and
professor of religion and philosophy at Roanoke College
in Salem, Va., said a similar phenomenon is taking place
in the United States.
"The rise of all sorts of paganism is creating a false
spirituality that proves to be a more dangerous rival to
the Christian faith than atheism," he said.
After all, a Satanist is also "spiritual."
Mr. Pannenberg, a Lutheran, praised the Roman Catholic
Church for handling this peril more wisely than many of
his fellow Protestants.
"The Catholics stick to the central message of
Christianity without making any concessions in the
ethical realm," he said, referring to issues such as
same-sex "marriages" and abortion.
In a similar vein, Mr. Zulehner, a Catholic, sees
Christianity's greatest opportunity when its message
addresses two seemingly irreconcilable quests of
contemporary humanity -- the quest for freedom and truth.
"Christianity alone affirms that truth and God's
dependability are inseparable properties to which freedom
is linked." As for the "peril of spirituality," Mr.
Zulehner sounded quite sanguine.
He concluded from his research that in the long run, the
survival of worldviews should be expected to follow this
lineup: "The great world religions are best placed," he
said.
As a distant second he sees the diffuse forms of
spirituality. Atheism, he said, will come in at the tail
end.
http://www.washtimes.com/world/20050303-115733-9519r.htm
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"For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the
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25 Apr 2005 11:55:59 AM |
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"Dr. Jai Maharaj" <usenet@mantra.com> wrote in message
news:dUULU9069ASTmI@GkeOo...
Science, 'frauds' trigger a decline in atheism
By Uwe Siemon-Netto
United Press International
The Wahington Times
Washington Times!
BWHAHAHAHAAHHAHAHAAHHA!
"Atheism as a theoretical position is in decline
worldwide," Munich theologian Wolfhart Pannenberg said in
an interview.
Not this old chestnut AGAIN!
You posted the same article earlier. Once again, this is the OPINION of a
THEOLOGIAN. And a terribly flawed opinion at that.
Indeed, polls keep showing that atheism is growing. And once someone becomes
an atheist, it is very unlikely that he will become a theist again.
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| User: "Dr. Jai Maharaj" |
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25 Apr 2005 06:44:45 PM |
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In article <d4j7eo$crq$1@news.seed.net.tw>,
"Peacenik" <cnelsonpublic@hotmail.com> posted:
Dr. Jai Maharaj posted:
Science, 'frauds' trigger a decline in atheism
By Uwe Siemon-Netto
United Press International
The Washington Times
Washington Times!
BWHAHAHAHAAHHAHAHAAHHA! . . .
Actually, a UPI story picked up by the Washington Times.
Atheism is very much a religion based on doctrinal
belief. Atheism is a belief system. It requires the
faith in the doctrine that God does not exist.
atheism
n 1: the doctrine or belief that there is no God . . .
Source - WordNet 2.0, 2003 Princeton University
Jai Maharaj
http://www.mantra.com/jai
Om Shanti
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| User: "Bear" |
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25 Apr 2005 07:55:39 PM |
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"Dr. Jai Maharaj" wrote
: "Peacenik" posted:
: > Dr. Jai Maharaj posted:
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: > > Science, 'frauds' trigger a decline in atheism
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: > > By Uwe Siemon-Netto
: > > United Press International
: > > The Washington Times
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: > Washington Times!
: > BWHAHAHAHAAHHAHAHAAHHA! . . .
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: Actually, a UPI story picked up by the Washington Times.
:
: Atheism is very much a religion based on doctrinal
: belief. Atheism is a belief system. It requires the
: faith in the doctrine that God does not exist.
:
: atheism
: n 1: the doctrine or belief that there is no God . . .
: Source - WordNet 2.0, 2003 Princeton University
In your dishonesty you did not include the other sense of the word atheism.
Sense 2
atheism -- (a lack of belief in the existence of God or gods)
=> unbelief, disbelief -- (a rejection of belief)
Source - WordNet 2.0, 2003 Princeton University
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Bear
And I know it’s my own damn fault.
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| User: "Jeremy Martin" |
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25 Apr 2005 03:22:16 PM |
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(usenet@mantra.com (Dr. Jai Maharaj)):
"Atheism as a theoretical position is in decline
worldwide," Munich theologian Wolfhart Pannenberg said in
an interview.
hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
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Jeremy Martin
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| User: "Dr. Jai Maharaj" |
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25 Apr 2005 03:47:00 PM |
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In article <ibkq61l4nm43bl9t221np5uqmeohl9ee59@4ax.com>,
Jeremy Martin <harhar@pirates-ahoy.com> posted:
Dr. Jai Maharaj posted:
"Atheism as a theoretical position is in decline
worldwide," Munich theologian Wolfhart Pannenberg said in
an interview.
hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
Celebrating the decline of atheism, one observes.
Jai Maharaj
http://www.mantra.com/jai
Om Shanti
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| User: "Jeremy Martin" |
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26 Apr 2005 12:49:56 PM |
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(usenet@mantra.com (Dr. Jai Maharaj)):
In article <ibkq61l4nm43bl9t221np5uqmeohl9ee59@4ax.com>,
Jeremy Martin <harhar@pirates-ahoy.com> posted:
Dr. Jai Maharaj posted:
"Atheism as a theoretical position is in decline
worldwide," Munich theologian Wolfhart Pannenberg said in
an interview.
hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
Celebrating the decline of atheism, one observes.
You know it, dipshit.
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Jeremy Martin
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| User: "DanielSan" |
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25 Apr 2005 05:27:02 PM |
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Dr. Jai Maharaj wrote:
In article <ibkq61l4nm43bl9t221np5uqmeohl9ee59@4ax.com>,
Jeremy Martin <harhar@pirates-ahoy.com> posted:
Dr. Jai Maharaj posted:
"Atheism as a theoretical position is in decline
worldwide," Munich theologian Wolfhart Pannenberg said in
an interview.
hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
Celebrating the decline of atheism, one observes.
Which is why we've had a 3% growth in the past ten years? Decline in
atheism? There are a billion of us who say otherwise. (Yes, there are
a billion agnostics/atheists/nonreligious on this planet.)
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| User: "John Baker" |
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25 Apr 2005 03:59:46 PM |
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On Mon, 25 Apr 2005 20:47:00 GMT, (Dr. Jai Maharaj)
wrote:
In article <ibkq61l4nm43bl9t221np5uqmeohl9ee59@4ax.com>,
Jeremy Martin <harhar@pirates-ahoy.com> posted:
Dr. Jai Maharaj posted:
"Atheism as a theoretical position is in decline
worldwide," Munich theologian Wolfhart Pannenberg said in
an interview.
hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
Celebrating the decline of atheism, one observes.
Laughing at a fool is more like it.
Jai Maharaj
http://www.mantra.com/jai
Om Shanti
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| User: "Bear" |
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25 Apr 2005 04:21:08 PM |
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"John Baker" wrote
: (Dr. Jai Maharaj) wrote:
: > Jeremy Martin posted:
: >> Dr. Jai Maharaj posted:
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: >> >"Atheism as a theoretical position is in decline
: >> >worldwide," Munich theologian Wolfhart Pannenberg said in
: >> >an interview.
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: >> hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
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: >Celebrating the decline of atheism, one observes.
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: Laughing at a fool is more like it.
Exactly.
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Bear
And I know it’s my own damn fault.
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| User: "Richo" |
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25 Apr 2005 07:27:10 PM |
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(Dr. Jai Maharaj) wrote in message news:<dUULU9069ASTmI@GkeOo>...
The Wahington Times
The Reverend Sun Moons Newspaper.
A reliable and unbiased source.
Mark.
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| User: "Dr. Jai Maharaj" |
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25 Apr 2005 08:26:00 PM |
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In article <d753a705.0504251627.596db206@posting.google.com>,
(Richo) posted:
Dr. Jai Maharaj posted:
The Wahington Times
The Reverend Sun Moons Newspaper.
A reliable and unbiased source.
Mark.
Is UPI also owned by Moon?
Science, 'frauds' trigger a decline in atheism
By Uwe Siemon-Netto
United Press International
The Wahington Times
March 4, 2005
Gurat, France - Godlessness is in trouble, according to a
growing consensus among philosophers, intellectuals and
scholars.
"Atheism as a theoretical position is in decline
worldwide," Munich theologian Wolfhart Pannenberg said in
an interview.
His Oxford colleague Alister McGrath agrees.
Atheism's "future seems increasingly to lie in the
private beliefs of individuals rather than in the great
public domain it once regarded as its habitat," Mr.
McGrath wrote in the U.S. magazine, Christianity Today.
Two developments are plaguing atheism these days. One is
that it appears to be losing its scientific
underpinnings.
The other is the historical experience of hundreds of
millions of people worldwide that atheists are in no
position to claim the moral high ground.
British philosopher Anthony Flew, once as hard-nosed a
humanist as any, has turned his back on atheism, saying
it is impossible for evolution to account for the fact
that one single cell can carry more data than all the
volumes of the Encyclopedia Britannica.
Mr. Flew still does not accept the God of the Bible.
But he has embraced the concept of intelligent design --a
stunning desertion of a former intellectual ambassador of
secular humanism to the belief in some form of
intelligence behind the design of the universe.
A few years ago, European scientists snickered when
studies in the United States -- for example, at Harvard
and Duke universities -- showed a correlation between
faith, prayer and recovery from illness.
Now 1,200 studies at research centers around the world
have come to similar conclusions, according to
"Psychologie Heute," a German journal, citing, for
example, the marked improvement of multiple sclerosis
patients in Germany's Ruhr District because of "spiritual
resources."
Atheism's other Achilles' heels are the acts on
inhumanity and lunacy committed in its name.
"With time, [atheism] turned out to have just as many
frauds, psychopaths and careerists as religion does. ...
With Stalin and Madalyn Murray O'Hair, atheism seems to
have ended up mimicking the vices of the Spanish
Inquisition and the worst televangelists, respectively,"
Mr. McGrath wrote in Christianity Today.
The Rev. Paul M. Zulehner, dean of Vienna University's
divinity school and one of the world's most distinguished
sociologists of religion, said atheists in Europe have
become "an infinitesimally small group."
"There are not enough of them to be used for sociological
research," he said.
Mr. Zulehner cautioned, however, that the decline of
atheism in Europe does not mean that re-Christianization
is taking place.
"What we are observing instead is a re-paganization," he
said.
The Rev. Gerald McDermott, an Episcopal priest and
professor of religion and philosophy at Roanoke College
in Salem, Va., said a similar phenomenon is taking place
in the United States.
"The rise of all sorts of paganism is creating a false
spirituality that proves to be a more dangerous rival to
the Christian faith than atheism," he said.
After all, a Satanist is also "spiritual."
Mr. Pannenberg, a Lutheran, praised the Roman Catholic
Church for handling this peril more wisely than many of
his fellow Protestants.
"The Catholics stick to the central message of
Christianity without making any concessions in the
ethical realm," he said, referring to issues such as
same-sex "marriages" and abortion.
In a similar vein, Mr. Zulehner, a Catholic, sees
Christianity's greatest opportunity when its message
addresses two seemingly irreconcilable quests of
contemporary humanity -- the quest for freedom and truth.
"Christianity alone affirms that truth and God's
dependability are inseparable properties to which freedom
is linked." As for the "peril of spirituality," Mr.
Zulehner sounded quite sanguine.
He concluded from his research that in the long run, the
survival of worldviews should be expected to follow this
lineup: "The great world religions are best placed," he
said.
As a distant second he sees the diffuse forms of
spirituality. Atheism, he said, will come in at the tail
end.
http://www.washtimes.com/world/20050303-115733-9519r.htm
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Om Shanti
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Hindu life, principles, spirituality and philosophy
http://www.hindu.org
http://www.hindunet.org
The truth about Islam and Muslims
http://www.flex.com/~jai/satyamevajayate
The terrorist mission of Jesus stated in the Christian bible:
"Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not so send
peace, but a sword.
"For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the
daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in
law.
"And a man's foes shall be they of his own household.
- Matthew 10:34-36.
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| User: "Woden" |
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25 Apr 2005 07:58:35 PM |
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(Dr. Jai Maharaj) wrote in news:dUULU9069ASTmI@GkeOo:
Science, 'frauds' trigger a decline in atheism
(snip *****)
Sounds more like rationalizations and wishful thinking as they try to
convince the faithful that they haven't been brainwashed.
--
Woden
"religion is a socio-political system for controlling people's thoughts,
lives and actions based on ancient myths and superstitions, perpetrated
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| User: "Jason Gastrich" |
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25 Apr 2005 02:44:41 AM |
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I'm glad a major publication picked up on this. This is absolutely true.
With all due respect to atheists, I should start looking for theistic debate
opponents. Debating atheists is becoming more and more like debating flat
earthers.
JG
Dr. Jai Maharaj wrote:
Science, 'frauds' trigger a decline in atheism
By Uwe Siemon-Netto
United Press International
The Wahington Times
March 4, 2005
Gurat, France - Godlessness is in trouble, according to a
growing consensus among philosophers, intellectuals and
scholars.
"Atheism as a theoretical position is in decline
worldwide," Munich theologian Wolfhart Pannenberg said in
an interview.
His Oxford colleague Alister McGrath agrees.
Atheism's "future seems increasingly to lie in the
private beliefs of individuals rather than in the great
public domain it once regarded as its habitat," Mr.
McGrath wrote in the U.S. magazine, Christianity Today.
Two developments are plaguing atheism these days. One is
that it appears to be losing its scientific
underpinnings.
The other is the historical experience of hundreds of
millions of people worldwide that atheists are in no
position to claim the moral high ground.
British philosopher Anthony Flew, once as hard-nosed a
humanist as any, has turned his back on atheism, saying
it is impossible for evolution to account for the fact
that one single cell can carry more data than all the
volumes of the Encyclopedia Britannica.
Mr. Flew still does not accept the God of the Bible.
But he has embraced the concept of intelligent design --a
stunning desertion of a former intellectual ambassador of
secular humanism to the belief in some form of
intelligence behind the design of the universe.
A few years ago, European scientists snickered when
studies in the United States -- for example, at Harvard
and Duke universities -- showed a correlation between
faith, prayer and recovery from illness.
Now 1,200 studies at research centers around the world
have come to similar conclusions, according to
"Psychologie Heute," a German journal, citing, for
example, the marked improvement of multiple sclerosis
patients in Germany's Ruhr District because of "spiritual
resources."
Atheism's other Achilles' heels are the acts on
inhumanity and lunacy committed in its name.
"With time, [atheism] turned out to have just as many
frauds, psychopaths and careerists as religion does. ...
With Stalin and Madalyn Murray O'Hair, atheism seems to
have ended up mimicking the vices of the Spanish
Inquisition and the worst televangelists, respectively,"
Mr. McGrath wrote in Christianity Today.
The Rev. Paul M. Zulehner, dean of Vienna University's
divinity school and one of the world's most distinguished
sociologists of religion, said atheists in Europe have
become "an infinitesimally small group."
"There are not enough of them to be used for sociological
research," he said.
Mr. Zulehner cautioned, however, that the decline of
atheism in Europe does not mean that re-Christianization
is taking place.
"What we are observing instead is a re-paganization," he
said.
The Rev. Gerald McDermott, an Episcopal priest and
professor of religion and philosophy at Roanoke College
in Salem, Va., said a similar phenomenon is taking place
in the United States.
"The rise of all sorts of paganism is creating a false
spirituality that proves to be a more dangerous rival to
the Christian faith than atheism," he said.
After all, a Satanist is also "spiritual."
Mr. Pannenberg, a Lutheran, praised the Roman Catholic
Church for handling this peril more wisely than many of
his fellow Protestants.
"The Catholics stick to the central message of
Christianity without making any concessions in the
ethical realm," he said, referring to issues such as
same-sex "marriages" and abortion.
In a similar vein, Mr. Zulehner, a Catholic, sees
Christianity's greatest opportunity when its message
addresses two seemingly irreconcilable quests of
contemporary humanity -- the quest for freedom and truth.
"Christianity alone affirms that truth and God's
dependability are inseparable properties to which freedom
is linked." As for the "peril of spirituality," Mr.
Zulehner sounded quite sanguine.
He concluded from his research that in the long run, the
survival of worldviews should be expected to follow this
lineup: "The great world religions are best placed," he
said.
As a distant second he sees the diffuse forms of
spirituality. Atheism, he said, will come in at the tail
end.
http://www.washtimes.com/world/20050303-115733-9519r.htm
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End of forwarded message
Jai Maharaj
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Om Shanti
Hindu Holocaust Museum
http://www.mantra.com/holocaust
Hindu life, principles, spirituality and philosophy
http://www.hindu.org
http://www.hindunet.org
The truth about Islam and Muslims
http://www.flex.com/~jai/satyamevajayate
The terrorist mission of Jesus stated in the Christian bible:
"Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not so
send peace, but a sword.
"For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and
the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her
mother in law.
"And a man's foes shall be they of his own household.
- Matthew 10:34-36.
o Not for commercial use. Solely to be fairly used for the
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25 Apr 2005 12:14:48 PM |
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"Jason Gastrich" <usenetspam1@yahoo.com> writes:
I'm glad a major publication picked up on this. This is absolutely true.
With all due respect to atheists, I should start looking for theistic debate
opponents. Debating atheists is becoming more and more like debating flat
earthers.
We would be most happy to see you leave.
Elf
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| User: "John Baker" |
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25 Apr 2005 04:01:27 PM |
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On 25 Apr 2005 10:14:48 -0700, "Elf M. Sternberg" <elf@drizzle.com>
wrote:
<PIGGYBACKING>
"Jason Gastrich" <usenetspam1@yahoo.com> writes:
I'm glad a major publication picked up on this. This is absolutely true.
With all due respect to atheists, I should start looking for theistic debate
opponents. Debating atheists is becoming more and more like debating flat
earthers.
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAA!!! Gasbag, you couldn't win a debate with a
house plant. I've seen your "style" on talk.origins. You lie,
obfuscate, avoid the issue and just plain run away, but you never
defend your position.
We would be most happy to see you leave.
Elf
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25 Apr 2005 12:23:25 PM |
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On 25 Apr 2005 10:14:48 -0700, "Elf M. Sternberg" <elf@drizzle.com>
wrote:
"Jason Gastrich" <usenetspam1@yahoo.com> writes:
I'm glad a major publication picked up on this. This is absolutely true.
With all due respect to atheists, I should start looking for theistic debate
opponents. Debating atheists is becoming more and more like debating flat
earthers.
We would be most happy to see you leave.
The moron is absolutely appalling. He's in-your-face arrogantly,
stupididly nastily lying.
Elf
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| User: "Eric Gill" |
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27 Apr 2005 04:10:34 PM |
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"Jason Gastrich" <usenetspam1@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:Jd1be.20961$JB.16629@tornado.socal.rr.com:
I'm glad a major publication picked up on this. This is absolutely
true. With all due respect to atheists, I should start looking for
theistic debate opponents. Debating atheists is becoming more and
more like debating flat earthers.
That's as factual as your "doctorate", Gastrich.
What's really funny about that clumsy lie is that you've already had your
head handed to you by two of the most determined but vapid and substance-
free evangelist wannabees on the 'net.
You have almost hit the bottom of the slippery slope, bud. Why don't you
find another hobby?
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25 Apr 2005 11:58:26 AM |
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"Jason Gastrich" <usenetspam1@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:Jd1be.20961$JB.16629@tornado.socal.rr.com...
I'm glad a major publication picked up on this.
Yeah, the Mooni Times. What an "unbiased" source!!!
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| User: "Just Mark" |
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25 Apr 2005 04:37:57 PM |
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"Peacenik" <cnelsonpublic@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:d4j7jb$cta$1@news.seed.net.tw...
: "Jason Gastrich" <usenetspam1@yahoo.com> wrote in message
: news:Jd1be.20961$JB.16629@tornado.socal.rr.com...
: > I'm glad a major publication picked up on this.
:
: Yeah, the Mooni Times. What an "unbiased" source!!!
:
You think Jason knows that the WT is owned by the Moonies? I'm betting that
his eyes are widening with surprise as he reads this revelation.
Just Mark
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| User: "David D. aa#2219 thanks to Gastrich" |
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25 Apr 2005 04:43:46 PM |
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Just Mark wrote:
"Peacenik" <cnelsonpublic@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:d4j7jb$cta$1@news.seed.net.tw...
: "Jason Gastrich" <usenetspam1@yahoo.com> wrote in message
: news:Jd1be.20961$JB.16629@tornado.socal.rr.com...
: > I'm glad a major publication picked up on this.
:
: Yeah, the Mooni Times. What an "unbiased" source!!!
:
You think Jason knows that the WT is owned by the Moonies? I'm
betting that
his eyes are widening with surprise as he reads this revelation.
Believe it or not he has been told on several occasions.
In the same way Einstein and Flew are his champions of
convenience despite the fact that theologically they have
nothing in common. Gastrich also champions Thomas
Jefferson, Ben Franklin and James Madison as evidence
that the USA was founded on Christian theology. Go
figure?
David D.
P.S. why was indian culture and screen plays crosslisted
with this post? More spamming by Jason or is there some
logic?
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25 Apr 2005 08:43:12 PM |
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"David D. aa#2219 thanks to Gastrich" <daycd@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1114465426.205431.213170@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
: Just Mark wrote:
: > "Peacenik" <cnelsonpublic@hotmail.com> wrote in message
: > news:d4j7jb$cta$1@news.seed.net.tw...
: > : "Jason Gastrich" <usenetspam1@yahoo.com> wrote in message
: > : news:Jd1be.20961$JB.16629@tornado.socal.rr.com...
: > : > I'm glad a major publication picked up on this.
: > :
: > : Yeah, the Mooni Times. What an "unbiased" source!!!
: > :
: > You think Jason knows that the WT is owned by the Moonies? I'm
: betting that
: > his eyes are widening with surprise as he reads this revelation.
:
:
: Believe it or not he has been told on several occasions.
I believe it. And that he considers the Wash. Times a viable news source is
telling.
:
: In the same way Einstein and Flew are his champions of
: convenience despite the fact that theologically they have
: nothing in common. Gastrich also champions Thomas
: Jefferson, Ben Franklin and James Madison as evidence
: that the USA was founded on Christian theology. Go
: figure?
:
: David D.
:
: P.S. why was indian culture and screen plays crosslisted
: with this post? More spamming by Jason or is there some
: logic?
No idea. Probably part of the original post.
JM
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25 Apr 2005 10:15:08 PM |
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Just Mark wrote:
"David D. aa#2219 thanks to Gastrich" <daycd@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1114465426.205431.213170@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
: Just Mark wrote:
: > "Peacenik" <cnelsonpublic@hotmail.com> wrote in message
: > news:d4j7jb$cta$1@news.seed.net.tw...
: > : "Jason Gastrich" <usenetspam1@yahoo.com> wrote in message
: > : news:Jd1be.20961$JB.16629@tornado.socal.rr.com...
: > : > I'm glad a major publication picked up on this.
: > :
: > : Yeah, the Mooni Times. What an "unbiased" source!!!
: > :
: > You think Jason knows that the WT is owned by the Moonies? I'm
: betting that
: > his eyes are widening with surprise as he reads this revelation.
:
:
: Believe it or not he has been told on several occasions.
I believe it. And that he considers the Wash. Times a viable news source is
telling.
:
: In the same way Einstein and Flew are his champions of
: convenience despite the fact that theologically they have
: nothing in common. Gastrich also champions Thomas
: Jefferson, Ben Franklin and James Madison as evidence
: that the USA was founded on Christian theology. Go
: figure?
:
: David D.
:
: P.S. why was indian culture and screen plays crosslisted
: with this post? More spamming by Jason or is there some
: logic?
No idea. Probably part of the original post.
Yup. The OP (not Jason) is an Indian supremacist wannabe, and an
astrologer. Convenience?
--
Tom McDonald
http://ahwhatdoiknow.blogspot.com/
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25 Apr 2005 10:55:49 PM |
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Tom McDonald wrote:
Just Mark wrote:
"David D. aa#2219 thanks to Gastrich" <daycd@hotmail.com> wrote in
message
news:1114465426.205431.213170@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
: Just Mark wrote:
: >
: > You think Jason knows that the WT is owned by the Moonies?
: > I'm betting that his eyes are widening with surprise as he
: > reads this revelation.
:
: Believe it or not he has been told on several occasions.
I believe it. And that he considers the Wash. Times a viable news
source is telling.
:
: In the same way Einstein and Flew are his champions of
: convenience despite the fact that theologically they have
: nothing in common.
<snip>
Yup. The OP (not Jason) is an Indian supremacist wannabe,
and an astrologer. Convenience?
Hi Tom, yes convenience. He finds it convenient to cherry pick
quotes here and there to portray the opinion of historical figures
at odds with documented evidence.
In all cases this aligns their opinon with Jasons agenda. Hence,
Einstein supports the biblical creation since he mentions god.
Flew is a convert to theism since he mentions god. Jefferson and
co are Christians since they mention god. Conventional wisdom
would suggest that Jason would call all of these men atheists or
heretics if he met them today. However, he finds it convenient to
use their quotes to make his point. I really find this bizzare.
David D.
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27 Apr 2005 02:56:38 PM |
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In article <d4j7jb$cta$1@news.seed.net.tw>,
"Peacenik" <cnelsonpublic@hotmail.com> posted:
"Jason Gastrich" <usenetspam1@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:Jd1be.20961$JB.16629@tornado.socal.rr.com...
I'm glad a major publication picked up on this.
Yeah, the Mooni Times. What an "unbiased" source!!!
It is a UPI news story.
Jai Maharaj
http://www.mantra.com/jai
Om Shanti
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27 Apr 2005 05:03:18 PM |
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In our last episode <HuaRA8050AFCti@HfeOi>, Dr. Jai Maharaj pirouetted
gracefully and with great fanfare proclaimed:
In article <d4j7jb$cta$1@news.seed.net.tw>,
"Peacenik" <cnelsonpublic@hotmail.com> posted:
"Jason Gastrich" <usenetspam1@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:Jd1be.20961$JB.16629@tornado.socal.rr.com...
I'm glad a major publication picked up on this.
Yeah, the Mooni Times. What an "unbiased" source!!!
It is a UPI news story.
Exactly. The Moonies own them.
--
Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
Group website at: http://www.alt-atheism.org
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"Religion is regarded by the common people as true,
by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful."
-- Seneca the Younger
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29 Apr 2005 01:06:30 AM |
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In article <dMKdnZpJTZ67ke3fRVn-jA@megapath.net>,
"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> posted:
Dr. Jai Maharaj posted:
In article <d4j7jb$cta$1@news.seed.net.tw>,
"Peacenik" <cnelsonpublic@hotmail.com> posted:
"Jason Gastrich" <usenetspam1@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:Jd1be.20961$JB.16629@tornado.socal.rr.com...
I'm glad a major publication picked up on this.
Yeah, the Mooni Times. What an "unbiased" source!!!
It is a UPI news story.
Exactly. The Moonies own them.
Forwarded text
Since 1907, United Press International (UPI) has been a
leading provider of critical information to media
outlets, businesses, governments and researchers
worldwide. UPI is a global operation headquartered in
Washington, DC with offices in Beirut, Hong Kong, London,
Santiago, Seoul and Tokyo.
UPI licenses content directly to print outlets, online
media and institutions of all types. In addition, UPI’s
distribution partners provide our content to thousands of
businesses, policy groups and academic institutions
worldwide. Our audience consists of millions of decision-
makers who depend on UPI’s insightful and analytical
stories to make better business or policy decisions.
As we approach our 100th anniversary, our company strives
to continue to be a leading and trusted source for news,
analysis and insight for readers around the world.
Facts about UPI
UPI is a global operation headquartered in Washington, DC
with offices in Beirut, Hong Kong, London, Santiago,
Seoul and Tokyo.
UPI was founded in 1907 by E.W. Scripps as the United
Press (UP). It became known as UPI when the UP merged
with the International News Service in 1958, which was
founded in 1909 by William Randolph Hearst.
UPI is owned by News World Communications, a global
multi-media company.
Journalists contribute content from all over the world
including the United States, South America, Europe, the
Middle East, Africa and Asia. Our stories and photos
cover a variety of topics including international and
U.S. news, politics, sports, entertainment, health,
science and technology.
We strive to provide coverage that is fair, balanced and
accurate.
In addition to our English report, we provide news
coverage coming out of the Middle East in Arabic and a
Spanish-language news report from our correspondents
throughout Latin America.
Clients include print publications, Web sites, multi-
media companies, corporations, governments and academic
and policy institutions.
UPI’s news report is read by millions of global readers
each day through our clients and though our distribution
partners. Since clients can choose stories that are most
appropriate to their business, the readership of each
story can differ.
End of forwarded text from:
http://about.upi.com/company/
Jai Maharaj
http://www.mantra.com/jai
Om Shanti
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29 Apr 2005 10:33:21 AM |
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In our last episode <JEEmu4250umFKu@XduOb>, Dr. Jai Maharaj pirouetted
gracefully and with great fanfare proclaimed:
In article <dMKdnZpJTZ67ke3fRVn-jA@megapath.net>,
"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> posted:
Dr. Jai Maharaj posted:
In article <d4j7jb$cta$1@news.seed.net.tw>,
"Peacenik" <cnelsonpublic@hotmail.com> posted:
"Jason Gastrich" <usenetspam1@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:Jd1be.20961$JB.16629@tornado.socal.rr.com...
I'm glad a major publication picked up on this.
Yeah, the Mooni Times. What an "unbiased" source!!!
It is a UPI news story.
Exactly. The Moonies own them.
Forwarded text
Since 1907, United Press International (UPI)
Here's the Unification Church website:
http://www.unification.net/
Now, here are statements by Moon himself, archived by his own people:
http://www.unification.net/1997/970616.html
"Today, as we celebrate The Washington Times' 15th anniversary, I cannot
help but feel deep emotion. Fifteen years ago, when the world was adrift
on the stormy waves of the Cold War, I established The Washington
Times..."
http://www.unification.net/1986/861128.html
"In order to realize the world of peace which God desires, the following
must be accomplished."
....
"Fourth, it has to take preeminence in the realm of media. With the
Washington Times as the core, we are establishing preeminence in the
American print media..."
http://www.unification.net/1991/910612a.html
"In the last nine years, the Church poured eight hundred million dollars
in cold cash into The Washington Times."
Lots more links can be found here:
http://conwebwatch.tripod.com/stories/2000/upi.html
News World Communications is the owner of the Washington Times and bought
UPI. Moon runs NWC. He's not even trying to hide that. He's making
speeches about using the Washington Times to further his goals. The
speeches are publicly available from the Unification bunch themselves.
Here's some more:
http://www.rickross.com/reference/unif/unif223.html
(Washington Post story)
"On April 16, the magazines' owner, News World Communications Inc., a
subsidiary of the Rev. Sun Myung Moon's Unification Church..."
http://www.rickross.com/reference/unif/unif120.html
"The once formidable United Press International has a deep-pocketed new
owner -- Reverend Sun Myung Moon's News World."
"News World is a deep-pocketed media conglomerate that belongs to the
temporal empire of the Reverend Sun Myung Moon, who leads the Unification
Church and also owns The Washington Times..."
"...News World has been funding the profitless Washington Times for more
than 18 years. By purchasing the remnants of the once proud UPI...
You know, I can just keep going. It's not some dark, hidden, X-Files
conspiracy, it's public knowledge and the Moonies aren't trying to "hide"
their ownership in the least.
--
Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
Group website at: http://www.alt-atheism.org
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"Religion is regarded by the common people as true,
by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful."
-- Seneca the Younger
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29 Apr 2005 06:07:59 PM |
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Vedic-Hindu principles and spirituality transcend
the Judeo-Christian-Islamic definition of "religion",
and contain much more -- they include the arts, sciences
and technology. I have posted the following excerpts (and
many more) over the years:
o Excerpt 1 - Indians originated concepts of zero, infinity, numerals
o Excerpt 2 - 'Science. We did it first'
o Excerpt 3 - Tachyons lose mass, energy the faster they travel
o Excerpt 4 - Mundakopanishad, Atharv Ved: Tachyons faster than light
o Excerpt 5 - Astronomy in ancient Bharat
o Excerpt 6 - Knowledge of equinoxes, precession, astrology, palmistry
o Excerpt 7 - Achievements of Vedic-Hindu sage-scientists
Excerpt 1
[ India's heritage of solving problems is often
[ overshadowed by centuries of colonialism and conquest.
[ Outside Delhi I visited one of the oldest monuments to
[ that history . . . pillar of iron alloy, smelted by
[ Indian metallurgists with such skill that it has remained
[ rustless for 1,500 years. (Photograph on page 533.)
[
[ These superb technicians were brethren of Indian thinkers
[ who originated the concepts of zero and infinity and
[ devised the inaccurately named Arabic numeral system,
[ giving the science of mathematics to a world drenched in
[ superstitious ignorance.
[
[ - Bryan Hodgson in National Geographic Magazine,
[ Volume 167, Number 4, April 1985, page 527
Excerpt 1 ends
Excerpt 2
[ From: Dr. Jai Maharaj
[ Subject: Re: Animal Killers are Savages
[ Date: 16 Jul 1994
[ [...]
[ Tachyons -- as everyone knows, don't they? -- are the
[ whiz kids of Einstein's light theories. They are faster
[ than light particles (would we see them if they had
[ headlights?) built as cosmic balancers into Albert's
[ equations. They represent metaphysical outriders in the
[ material physics' description of the universe.
[
[ Einstein didn't think up his gravity and light theories.
[ He intuitively imagined them in a process called "thought
[ experiment." He saw them in a trance-like state. No
[ experiments. Others nearly verified his theories
[ experimentally much later.
[
[ And that is basically how the Vedic scientitists of
[ millenia past parted the fabric of the cosmos -- with the
[ meditative mind. The results revolutionized human
[ knowledge and culture, and foreshadowed and outpaced many
[ of today's most exotic biological, astronomical and
[ atomic principles.
[
[ As much as the world honors Copernicus, Galileo, Newton,
[ Plank, Rutherford, Einstein and Heisenburg, the people of
[ India could have a bumper sticker that reads, "Science.
[ We did it first."
[
[ And science was not separated from the sacred as it is
[ today. Vedic science is charged with supernatural
[ connections and purpose, ultimately plugged into the
[ primeval energy and omniscience (omni-science) of
[ Brahman.
[
[ The invention of the decimal, of numeration, including
[ the principles of zero and infinity in ancient India, are
[ some of the greatest contributions to human knowledge.
[ Some other discoveries include the heliocentric system of
[ astronomy, the concept of lunar mansions, or nakshatr's;
[ the precession of equinoxes due to Earth's axial tilt and
[ the determination of their rate; the establishment of
[ luni-solar and planetary years; the construction of an
[ astronomical calendar on a scientific basis; the rotation
[ of Earth on its axis; the knowledge of algebraic,
[ geometric and trigonometric principles; the spherical
[ shapes of planets; the role of interplanetary attraction
[ in equilibrium; to name only a few.
[
[ Vedic notions concerning time and space, the nature of
[ light and heat, gravity and magnetic attraction and the
[ wave-theory of sound, were later re-confirmed by modern
[ science.
[ - Hinduism Today, 1994
[
Excerpt 2 ends
Excerpt 3
[ ''Forty years ago physicists were convinced that they had
[ discovered the smallest particle in the atom. Today they
[ know that there is a subatomic world which is tinier than
[ the atomic nucleus and contains much more energy than
[ anything that we can so far conceive of as 'nascent
[ energy.'
[
[ The concept of time breaks down in this miraculous world.
[ Physicists no longer know where or how they should
[ classify the electron, that building stone and atomic
[ envelope. With mathematically proven particles which
[ travel faster than light -- say, the tachyons, tradyons
[ and luxyons calculated by Gerald Feinberg -- all concepts
[ of time collapse definitely. They behave in exactly the
[ opposite way to our 'normal' elementary particles.
[
[ Instead of exhibiting infinite mass and with infinite
[ energy when they reach the speed of light -- as Einstein
[ reckoned they would -- these particles lose mass and
[ energy the faster they travel. What is really
[ inconceivable is that the speed of light is the lowest
[ limit of their velocity -- above it they can reach a
[ trillion fold the speed of light.''
[
[ - Erich Von Daniken, Miracle of the Gods, Dell Pubs.,
[ Inc., 1975, p. 163.
[
Excerpt 3 ends
Excerpt 4
[ From: Dr. Jai Maharaj
[ Subject: Re: India owes $92.8 Billion to the World
[ Date: 1998/06/22
[
[ [...] And how much does the rest of the world owe to
[ Bharat as a result for the following contributions?
[
[ This is a partial list, couresy of Prasad Gokhale:
[
[ ***************************************
[ Achievements of the Ancients
[ ----------------------------
[ (Courtesy: Dr.P.V. Vartak, Pune, India)
[ ***************************************
[
[ Medical Sciences
[ ----------------
[
[ Knowledge Ancient Reference Modern
[ Reference
[ --------- ----------------- --------------
[
[ Plastic Surgery (Repair of nose Sushruta A German
[ Surgeon
[ by the skin flap on forehead) (4000 - 2000 BCE) (1968 CE)
[
[ Artificial Limb RigVed (1-116-15) 20th Century
[
[ Chromosomes Cunavidhi(Mahabharat) 1860-1910 CE
[ (5500 BCE)
[
[ Number of Chromosomes (23) Mahabharat-5500 BCE 1890 CE
[
[ Combination of Male and Female Shrimad Bhagwat 20th Century
[ chromosomes in zygote (4000 BCE)
[
[ Analysis of Ears RigVed Labyrinth
[
[ -McNally
[
[ Eitereya Upanishad 1925
[ (6000 BCE)
[
[ Beginning of the Foetal Heart Eitereya Up. Robinson, 1972
[ in the second month of pregnancy Shrimad Bhagwat
[
[ Parthenogenesis Mahabharat 20th Century
[
[ Test Tube Babies
[ a) from the ovum only Mahabharat Not possible yet
[
[ b) from the sperm only Mahabharat Not possible yet
[ c) from both ovum and sperm Mahabharat Steptoe, 1979
[
[ Elongation of Life in Shrimad Bhagwat Not yet
[ confirmed
[ Space Travel
[
[ Cell Division (in 3 layers) Shrimad Bhagwat 20th Century
[
[ Embryology Eitereya Upanishad 19th Century
[ (6000 BCE)
[
[ Micro-organisms Mahabharat 18th Century
[
[ A material producing a disease S-Bhagwat (1-5-33) Haneman,18thCent.
[ can prevent or cure the disease
[ in minute quantity
[
[ Developing Embyro in Vitro. Mahabharat 20th Century
[
[ Life in trees and plants Mahabharat Bose,19thcent.
[
[ 16 Functions of the Brain Eitereya Upanishad 19-20th Cent.
[
[ Definition of Sleep Prashna-Upanishad 20th Century
[ Patanjali Yogsootra
[
[ ------------------------------------------------------------------------
[
[ Physical Sciences
[ -----------------
[
[ Knowledge Ancient Reference Modern Reference
[ --------- ----------------- ----------------
[ Velocity of Light RigVed 19th Century
[ Sayan Bhashya (1400 CE)
[
[ Trans-Saturnean Planets Mahabharat (5500 BCE) 17-19th Century
[
[
[
[ Space Travel to another Shrimad Bhagwat Under Trials
[ solar system (4000 BCE)
[
[ Gravitational Force Prashnopanishad 17th Century
[ (6000 BCE)
[ Shankaracharya
[ (500 BCE)
[
[ Ultravoilet Band Sudhumravarna ---
[ (Mundakopanishad - M.U)
[
[ Infra-red Band Sulohita (M.U) ---
[
[ Tachyons faster than light Manojava (M.U) Sudarshan, 1968
[
[ Nuclear Energy Spullingini (M.U) 20th Cent.
[
[ Black Holes Vishvaruchi (M.U) 20th Century
[
[ Monsoon at Summer Solstice RigVed (23720 BCE) ---
[
[ Entry in South America by Valmiki Ramayan ---
[ Aeroplanes (7300 BCE)
[
[ Phosphorescent Trident at V.Ramayan 1960 CE
[ the Bay of Pisco, Peru,
[ S.America
[
[ Aeroplanes RigVed ---
[ Ramayan
[ Samarangan Sutradhara
[ (1050 CE)
[
[ Robot Samarangan Sootradhara ---
[
[ Atom (Divisible) Shrimad Bhagwat Dalton
[ (Indivisible)
[ (4000 BCE) 1800 CE
[
[ Subatomic Particles (Electr, Shrimad Bhagwat(4000 BCE) Thomas,
[ Rutherford
[ Proton,Neutron and other) (Param-Mahan) Chadwick (20th
[ Cent.)
[
[ Genesis of Universe RigVed (>10000 BCE) Gamaow, et.al
[ (1950)
[ (Nasadeeya Sootra)
[
[ Atom Bomb Mahabharat (5500 BCE) 1945 CE
[ (Brahm-Astra)
[
[ Sound Energy used to powder Mahabharat (Vajrastra) Gavreau, 1964
[ materials
[
[ Mercury as energy source for Samrangan Sutradhara Indian Express,
[ aeroplanes 20-10-1979 CE
[
[ North Pole Valmiki Ramayan Piery, 1909 CE
[
[ Antartica Valmiki Ramayan Piery, 1950 CE
[ Premordial matter from RigVed (>10000 BCE) 20th Century
[ which the universe emanated (Ambha)
[
[ Formations of premordial RigVed (>10000 BCE) Gammow, 1950
[ matter (Ambha-Nasadeeya)
[
[ Natural Cycle of Water RigVed (>10000 BCE) 19th Cent.
[ Valmiki Ramayan
[ -----------------------------------------------------------------------
[
[ Physical Sciences
[ -----------------
[
[ Electricity (DC) Mitra/Varuna-Teja/Agasti 18th Cent.
[
[ Water Analysis by Agasti (Prana+Udana) 19th Cent.
[ electricity (H2 + O)
[
[ Electroplating Agasti 19th Cent.
[
[ Vega becoming Pole Star Mahabharat (Vanaparva) ---
[
[ Seven Colors in sunrays RigVed (8-72-16) ---
[
[ Black Spots on the Sun Valmiki Ramayan ---
[
[ Temporary Bridge on Sea Valmiki Ramayan ---
[
[ Equinox's and Solstice's RigVed (10-18-1) ---
[
[ Meteors "Ulka" AtharvaVed (19-9) ---
[
[ Pythagorus Theorm Sulbha Sootra (800 BCE) Pythagorus, 500
[ BCE
[
[ Comet (at Mula) Valmiki Ramayan ---
[
[ Mars in Aldebaren V.Ramayan not occured in
[ last
[ "Breathing" of a Star RigVed (Nasadeeya) Gamov, 1950
[
[
[ Gravity and Heat Production RigVed (Nasadeeya) Gamov, 1950
[ in a Star
[
[ Order of origin of space, RigVed, Upanishads ---
[ gases, heat, water and earth
[
[ Life on Earth Mahabharat, Puranas Salem, Jogesh
[ 1980
[ 1.7 X 10^10 years Pati-10^10 years
[
[ Layers of Atmosphere accor- V.Ramayan (Kish.8) ---
[ ding to specific gravity
[
[ Microscope Mahabharat (5500 BCE) 16th Century
[ ------------------------------------------------------------------------
[
[ Jai Maharaj
[ http://www.mantra.com/jai
[ Om Shanti
[
Excerpt 4 ends
Excerpt 5
[ Astronomy in ancient Bharat
[
[ wrote:
[
[ Here is an extract from a book on the topic "Astronomy in
[ Ancient India": [...] "Astronomy is one area which has
[ fascinated all mankind from the beginnings of history. In
[ India the first references to astronomy are to be found
[ in the Rg Ved which is dated around 2000 BCE. Vedic
[ Aryans in fact deified the Sun, Stars and Comets.
[ "Astronomy was then interwoven with astrology and
[ since ancient times Indians have involved the planets
[ (called Grahas) with the determination of human fortunes.
[ The planets Shani, i.e. Saturn and Mangal i.e. Mars were
[ considered inauspicious.
[ In the working out of horoscopes (called
[ Janmakundali), the position of the Navagrahas, nine
[ planets plus Rahu and Ketu (mythical demons, evil forces)
[ was considered. The Janmakundali was a complex mixture of
[ science and dogma. But the concept was born out of
[ astronomical observations and perception based on
[ astronomical phenomenon.
[ "In ancient times personalities like Aryabhatta and
[ Varahamihira were associated with Indian astronomy.
[ "It would be surprising for us to know today that this
[ science had advanced to such an extent in ancient India
[ that ancient Indian astronomers had recognised that stars
[ are same as the sun, that the sun is center of the
[ universe (solar system) and that the circumference of the
[ earth is 5000 Yojanas. One Yojana being 7.2 kms., the
[ ancient Indian estimates came close to the actual figure.
[ [...] Regards Sudheer
Excerpt 5 ends
Excerpt 6
[ Count Louis Hamon, known to millions as Cheiro, earned
[ the highest appellations through thirty years of diligent
[ study of the science of prediction. He was an expert in
[ both astrology and numerology but was most famous for his
[ amazing knowledge of palmistry. He wrote in 1949:
[
[ "As regards the people who first understood and practiced
[ this study of the hand, we find undisputed proofs of
[ their learning and knowledge. Long before Rome or Greece
[ or Israel was even heard of, the monuments of India point
[ back to an age of learning beyond, and still beyond.
[
[ "From the astronomical calculations that the figures in
[ their temples represent, it has been estimated that the
[ Hindus understood the precession of the equinoxes
[ centuries before the Christian era.
[
[ "In some of the ancient cave temples, the mystic figures
[ of the [deities] silently tell that such knowledge had
[ been possessed and used in advance of all those nations
[ afterward so celebrated for their learning.
[
[ "It has been demonstrated that to make a change from one
[ sign to another in the zodiacal course of the sun must
[ have occupied at least 2,140 years, and how many
[ centuries elapsed before such changes came to be observed
[ and noticed it is impossible even to estimate.
[
[ "The intellectual power that was necessary to make these
[ observations speaks for itself; and yet it is to such a
[ people that we trace the origin of the study under
[ consideration. With the spread of the Hindu teachings
[ into other lands do we trace the spread of knowledge of
[ palmistry.
[
[ "The Hindu Vedas are the oldest scriptures that have been
[ found, and according to some authorities they have been
[ the foundation of even the Greek schools of learning."
[
[ - Cheiro's Language Of The Hand by Cheiro; Herbert
[ Jenkins Limited, London, 1949.
Excerpt 6 ends
Excerpt 7
[ Following are a few highlights of some inventions by our
[ ancient sage-scientists -- most of these are excerpted from
[ the MICHIGAN DAILY of January 24, 1992:
[
[ ASTRONOMY: In the 5th century CE, Vedic scientist and
[ astronomer Bhaskaracharya confirmed earlier calculations of
[ the ancients of the time taken by earth to orbit the Sun to
[ nine decimal places, 365.258756484 days -- a value that was
[ later accepted by modern science.
[
[ MEDICINE: Sushruta performed surgery in India, 3,000 years
[ ago, using 125 kinds of surgical instruments "so advanced they
[ could cut a hair longitudinally." Physician Charaka described
[ the functions of the heart and the circulatory system 2,000
[ years before the English physician Dr. Harvey.
[
[ PHYSICS: According to Nobel prize-winner Dr. David
[ Josephson, the Vedas hold the key to the laws of the mind
[ and thought process which are correlated to the quantum
[ fields that are the operation and distribution of particles
[ at atomic and molecular levels.
[
[ METALLURGY: India's heritage of solving problems is often
[ overshadowed by centuries of colonialism and conquest. Outside
[ Delhi I visited one of the oldest monuments to that history...
[ pillar of iron alloy, smelted by Indian metallurgists with
[ such skill that it has remained rust-less for 1,500 years.
[ (Photograph on page 533.) These superb technicians were
[ brethren of Indian thinkers who originated the concepts of
[ zero and infinity and devised the inaccurately named Arabic
[ numeral system, giving the science of mathematics to a world
[ drenched in superstitious ignorance. - Bryan Hodgson in the
[ NATIONAL GEOGRAPHIC MAGAZINE Volume 167, Number 4, April 1965
[ page 527.
[
[ GENERAL: "It is already becoming clear that the chapter
[ which had a Western beginning will have to have an Indian
[ ending if it is not to end in self-destruction of the human
[ race." - Dr. Arnold Toynbee, world historian.
Excerpt 7 ends
Jai Maharaj
http://www.mantra.com/jai
Om Shanti
In article <G46dnZhTg8Bczu_fRVn-og@megapath.net>,
"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> posted:
Dr. Jai Maharaj posted:
In article <dMKdnZpJTZ67ke3fRVn-jA@megapath.net>,
"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> posted:
Dr. Jai Maharaj posted:
In article <d4j7jb$cta$1@news.seed.net.tw>,
"Peacenik" <cnelsonpublic@hotmail.com> posted:
"Jason Gastrich" <usenetspam1@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:Jd1be.20961$JB.16629@tornado.socal.rr.com...
I'm glad a major publication picked up on this.
Yeah, the Mooni Times. What an "unbiased" source!!!
It is a UPI news story.
Exactly. The Moonies own them.
Forwarded text
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leading provider of critical information to media
outlets, businesses, governments and researchers
worldwide. UPI is a global operation headquartered in
Washington, DC with offices in Beirut, Hong Kong, London,
Santiago, Seoul and Tokyo.
UPI licenses content directly to print outlets, online
media and institutions of all types. In addition, UPI’s
distribution partners provide our content to thousands of
businesses, policy groups and academic institutions
worldwide. Our audience consists of millions of decision-
makers who depend on UPI’s insightful and analytical
stories to make better business or policy decisions.
As we approach our 100th anniversary, our company strives
to continue to be a leading and trusted source for news,
analysis and insight for readers around the world.
Facts about UPI
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with offices in Beirut, Hong Kong, London, Santiago,
Seoul and Tokyo.
UPI was founded in 1907 by E.W. Scripps as the United
Press (UP). It became known as UPI when the UP merged
with the International News Service in 1958, which was
founded in 1909 by William Randolph Hearst.
UPI is owned by News World Communications, a global
multi-media company.
Journalists contribute content from all over the world
including the United States, South America, Europe, the
Middle East, Africa and Asia. Our stories and photos
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In addition to our English report, we provide news
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End of forwarded text from:
http://about.upi.com/company/
Jai Maharaj
http://www.mantra.com/jai
Om Shanti
Here's the Unification Church website:
http://www.unification.net/
Now, here are statements by Moon himself, archived by his own people:
http://www.unification.net/1997/970616.html
"Today, as we celebrate The Washington Times' 15th anniversary, I cannot
help but feel deep emotion. Fifteen years ago, when the world was adrift
on the stormy waves of the Cold War, I established The Washington
Times..."
http://www.unification.net/1986/861128.html
"In order to realize the world of peace which God desires, the following
must be accomplished."
....
"Fourth, it has to take preeminence in the realm of media. With the
Washington Times as the core, we are establishing preeminence in the
American print media..."
http://www.unification.net/1991/910612a.html
"In the last nine years, the Church poured eight hundred million dollars
in cold cash into The Washington Times."
Lots more links can be found here:
http://conwebwatch.tripod.com/stories/2000/upi.html
News World Communications is the owner of the Washington Times and bought
UPI. Moon runs NWC. He's not even trying to hide that. He's making
speeches about using the Washington Times to further his goals. The
speeches are publicly available from the Unification bunch themselves.
Here's some more:
http://www.rickross.com/reference/unif/unif223.html
(Washington Post story)
"On April 16, the magazines' owner, News World Communications Inc., a
subsidiary of the Rev. Sun Myung Moon's Unification Church..."
http://www.rickross.com/reference/unif/unif120.html
"The once formidable United Press International has a deep-pocketed new
owner -- Reverend Sun Myung Moon's News World."
"News World is a deep-pocketed media conglomerate that belongs to the
temporal empire of the Reverend Sun Myung Moon, who leads the Unification
Church and also owns The Washington Times..."
"...News World has been funding the profitless Washington Times for more
than 18 years. By purchasing the remnants of the once proud UPI...
You know, I can just keep going. It's not some dark, hidden, X-Files
conspiracy, it's public knowledge and the Moonies aren't trying to "hide"
their ownership in the least.
So?
Jai Maharaj
http://www.mantra.com/jai
Om Shanti
[Note follow-ups]
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| User: "lizzard woman" |
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| Title: Re: VEDIC-HINDU PRINCIPLES (Was: Re: Science, 'frauds' trigger a decline in atheism) |
29 Apr 2005 06:30:40 PM |
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"Dr. Jai Maharaj" <usenet@mantra.com> wrote in message
news:DOUDa5207aSPmE@NloIt...
| Vedic-Hindu principles and spirituality transcend
| the Judeo-Christian-Islamic definition of "religion",
| and contain much more -- they include the arts, sciences
| and technology. I have posted the following excerpts (and
| many more) over the years:
|
| o Excerpt 1 - Indians originated concepts of zero, infinity, numerals
| o Excerpt 2 - 'Science. We did it first'
| o Excerpt 3 - Tachyons lose mass, energy the faster they travel
| o Excerpt 4 - Mundakopanishad, Atharv Ved: Tachyons faster than light
| o Excerpt 5 - Astronomy in ancient Bharat
| o Excerpt 6 - Knowledge of equinoxes, precession, astrology, palmistry
| o Excerpt 7 - Achievements of Vedic-Hindu sage-scientists
|
(snip)
When do you start with the vedic flying, hmmmm?????
--
sharon, aa #2153
"(of creationism) ... Only apocryphal tales told by goat herders around the
campfire after it became too dark to continue to molest their charges." --
TvG (Rec.Equestrian, 2003)
"Easy -- he's the Right Reverend Admiral Jason Gastrich, BSc, MSc, DVM, ThD,
PhD, MD, JD, Esq, US Navy (Ret). If the bible happened to put things in the
wrong order, well, our boy the Doctor will just fix it right up there!" --
Rightshu (IIDB, 2004)
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| User: "R" |
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| Title: Re: VEDIC-HINDU PRINCIPLES (Was: Re: Science, 'frauds' trigger a decline in atheism) |
30 Apr 2005 12:32:52 AM |
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"lizzard woman" <kimosabeRMOVE@shaw.ca> wrote in news:Aszce.1167156
$8l.421625@pd7tw1no:
"Dr. Jai Maharaj" <usenet@mantra.com> wrote in message
news:DOUDa5207aSPmE@NloIt...
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| o Excerpt 1 - Indians originated concepts of zero, infinity, numerals
You had better check your sources again.
The Sumerians were the first to develop a counting system to keep an
account of their stock of goods - cattle, horses, and donkeys, for example.
The Sumerian system was positional; that is, the placement of a parti | | | | | | | | | |