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"Precision" |
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27 Nov 2005 11:40:51 PM |
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Scientists Say Evolution and Religion Can Coexist |
"Science without religion is lame; religion without science is
blind." -Albert Einstein
(BEGIN QUOTE)
Joel Primack has a long and distinguished career as an astrophysicist. A
University of California, Santa Cruz, professor, he co-developed the cold
dark matter theory that seeks to explain the formation and structure of the
universe.
He also believes in God.
That may strike some people as peculiar. After all, in some corners popular
belief renders science and religion incompatible.
Yet scientists may be just as likely to believe in God as other people,
according to surveys. Some of history's greatest scientific minds, including
Albert Einstein, were convinced there is intelligent life behind the
universe. Today many scientists say there is no conflict between their faith
and their work.
"In the last few years astronomy has come together so that we're now able to
tell a coherent story" of how the universe began, Primack said. "This story
does not contradict God, but instead enlarges [the idea of] God."
(END QUOTE)
And so begins an article in National Geographic News (October 18, 2004;
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2004/10/1018_041018_science_religion.html).
This flies in the face of the very charter of newsgroups such as
news:alt.religion.atheism because it shows that thinking, reasoning and
absolutely brilliant scientific minds recognize that God and science can
coexist. Indeed it was God who invented science and designed the human brain
that made our understanding of science possible.
The impeccable logic in the above article, especially the part of the
article about how true scientific evolution AND religion can coexist
logically, deserves your consideration in light of the major denial of God's
existence that is the foundation of atheism.
Can we discuss this intelligently? Will some predictably lash out in anger
and rage again, begging me to leave the poor atheists alone and stop
interjecting other world views into theirs? Will you dismiss what National
Geographic has to say and the facts in this article because your beliefs are
polarized and your faith in atheism is unwavering?
I hope not.
Sending you all my best wishes!
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| User: "Ben" |
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| Title: Re: TOBS Re: Scientists Say Evolution and Religion Can Coexist |
01 Dec 2005 11:31:52 AM |
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erikc wrote:
On 29 Nov 2005 19:21:27 -0800, "Jabriol" <jabriolusenet@gmail.com> wrote:
I wonder why Carol has not thrwon in her "troll alerts"
Precision wrote:
"Science without religion is lame; religion without science is
blind." -Albert Einstein
(BEGIN QUOTE)
Joel Primack has a long and distinguished career as an astrophysicist. A
University of California, Santa Cruz, professor, he co-developed the cold
dark matter theory that seeks to explain the formation and structure of the
universe.
He also believes in God.
He could believe that Homosexuality is divine. It does not matter. Any
Christian who believe in evolution as the origin of man; effectively
Call Jesus a liar.
It is that simple
Well that leaves out the Catholic church. Interesting....
Well, jesus, if he existed at all, WAS A LIAR
Erikc (alt.atheist #002) | "An Fhirinne in aghaidh an tSaoil."
BAAWA Knight (retired) | "The Truth against the World."
--
Squirting rubbing alcohol up your
nose is rather unpleasant.
-Sanford, ABSFG
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| User: "JessHC, aa#2220 thanks to Jason Gastrichs effort" |
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| Title: Re: Scientists Say Evolution and Religion Can Coexist |
28 Nov 2005 01:37:48 PM |
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Precision wrote:
"Science without religion is lame; religion without science is
blind." -Albert Einstein
(BEGIN QUOTE)
Joel Primack has a long and distinguished career as an astrophysicist. A
University of California, Santa Cruz, professor, he co-developed the cold
dark matter theory that seeks to explain the formation and structure of the
universe.
He also believes in God.
That may strike some people as peculiar. After all, in some corners popular
belief renders science and religion incompatible.
Yet scientists may be just as likely to believe in God as other people,
according to surveys. Some of history's greatest scientific minds, including
Albert Einstein, were convinced there is intelligent life behind the
universe. Today many scientists say there is no conflict between their faith
and their work.
"In the last few years astronomy has come together so that we're now able to
tell a coherent story" of how the universe began, Primack said. "This story
does not contradict God, but instead enlarges [the idea of] God."
(END QUOTE)
And so begins an article in National Geographic News (October 18, 2004;
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2004/10/1018_041018_science_religion.html).
This flies in the face of the very charter of newsgroups such as
news:alt.religion.atheism because it shows that thinking, reasoning and
absolutely brilliant scientific minds recognize that God and science can
coexist. Indeed it was God who invented science and designed the human brain
that made our understanding of science possible.
The impeccable logic in the above article, especially the part of the
article about how true scientific evolution AND religion can coexist
logically, deserves your consideration in light of the major denial of God's
existence that is the foundation of atheism.
Can we discuss this intelligently? Will some predictably lash out in anger
and rage again, begging me to leave the poor atheists alone and stop
interjecting other world views into theirs? Will you dismiss what National
Geographic has to say and the facts in this article because your beliefs are
polarized and your faith in atheism is unwavering?
I hope not.
Sending you all my best wishes!
What did you want to discuss? That even scientists aren't immune from
holding irrational beliefs?
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| User: "cactus" |
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| Title: Re: Scientists Say Evolution and Religion Can Coexist |
30 Nov 2005 02:12:16 AM |
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Precision wrote:
"Science without religion is lame; religion without science is
blind." -Albert Einstein
(BEGIN QUOTE)
Joel Primack has a long and distinguished career as an astrophysicist. A
University of California, Santa Cruz, professor, he co-developed the cold
dark matter theory that seeks to explain the formation and structure of the
universe.
He also believes in God.
That may strike some people as peculiar. After all, in some corners popular
belief renders science and religion incompatible.
Yet scientists may be just as likely to believe in God as other people,
according to surveys. Some of history's greatest scientific minds, including
Albert Einstein, were convinced there is intelligent life behind the
universe. Today many scientists say there is no conflict between their faith
and their work.
"In the last few years astronomy has come together so that we're now able to
tell a coherent story" of how the universe began, Primack said. "This story
does not contradict God, but instead enlarges [the idea of] God."
(END QUOTE)
And so begins an article in National Geographic News (October 18, 2004;
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2004/10/1018_041018_science_religion.html).
This flies in the face of the very charter of newsgroups such as
news:alt.religion.atheism because it shows that thinking, reasoning and
absolutely brilliant scientific minds recognize that God and science can
coexist. Indeed it was God who invented science and designed the human brain
that made our understanding of science possible.
The impeccable logic in the above article, especially the part of the
article about how true scientific evolution AND religion can coexist
logically, deserves your consideration in light of the major denial of God's
existence that is the foundation of atheism.
Of course they can coexist - everywhere but a public school classroom,
except for the usual prayers for help in passing that next test...
Can we discuss this intelligently? Will some predictably lash out in anger
and rage again, begging me to leave the poor atheists alone and stop
interjecting other world views into theirs? Will you dismiss what National
Geographic has to say and the facts in this article because your beliefs are
polarized and your faith in atheism is unwavering?
I hope not.
Sending you all my best wishes!
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| User: "Precision" |
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| Title: Re: Scientists Say Evolution and Religion Can Coexist |
30 Nov 2005 11:28:55 PM |
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"cactus" <bml@ubadlands.edu> wrote in message
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Precision wrote:
"Science without religion is lame; religion without science is
blind." -Albert Einstein
(BEGIN QUOTE)
Joel Primack has a long and distinguished career as an astrophysicist. A
University of California, Santa Cruz, professor, he co-developed the cold
dark matter theory that seeks to explain the formation and structure of
the universe.
He also believes in God.
That may strike some people as peculiar. After all, in some corners
popular belief renders science and religion incompatible.
Yet scientists may be just as likely to believe in God as other people,
according to surveys. Some of history's greatest scientific minds,
including Albert Einstein, were convinced there is intelligent life
behind the universe. Today many scientists say there is no conflict
between their faith and their work.
"In the last few years astronomy has come together so that we're now able
to tell a coherent story" of how the universe began, Primack said. "This
story does not contradict God, but instead enlarges [the idea of] God."
(END QUOTE)
And so begins an article in National Geographic News (October 18, 2004;
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2004/10/1018_041018_science_religion.html).
This flies in the face of the very charter of newsgroups such as
news:alt.religion.atheism because it shows that thinking, reasoning and
absolutely brilliant scientific minds recognize that God and science can
coexist. Indeed it was God who invented science and designed the human
brain that made our understanding of science possible.
The impeccable logic in the above article, especially the part of the
article about how true scientific evolution AND religion can coexist
logically, deserves your consideration in light of the major denial of
God's existence that is the foundation of atheism.
Of course they can coexist - everywhere but a public school classroom,
except for the usual prayers for help in passing that next test...
That is one of many primitive aspects of this dying civilization.
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| User: "Jim LVWB" |
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| Title: Re: Scientists Say Evolution and Religion Can Coexist |
29 Nov 2005 07:12:56 AM |
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Science + Religion = Religion
Primack has the right to any beliefs he wishes, but when he is doing
science he cannot allow those beliefs to influence his science;
Because, when he does, he alters the science and it is no longer
science, but his beliefs.
You cannot interject your supernatural views upon me, ("Will some
predictably lash out in anger and rage again, begging me to leave the
poor atheists alone and stop interjecting other world views into
theirs?") and I find such an attitude as being arrogant and
condescending.
God beliefs can indeed co-exist with the reality of science, just as
belief in Santa Claus can co-exist with our childhood. However, we
grow up, and Santa Claus is no longer an issue, and we learn that
through our intelligence that we can spread cheer and give without the
mystery of a ficticious idea (be it Santa, or Jesus).
Rather than suggest that I re-examine my lack of belief in "your" god
and your "definitions" of "your" god, would you demonstrate that "your"
god is real, because when you do that, I would be justified in
re-examining my lack of belief.
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| User: "Precision" |
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| Title: Re: Scientists Say Evolution and Religion Can Coexist |
29 Nov 2005 02:03:40 PM |
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"Jim (LVWB)" <Lakeviewwaterboy@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1133269976.593860.76170@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Science + Religion = Religion
Primack has the right to any beliefs he wishes, but when he is doing
science he cannot allow those beliefs to influence his science;
Because, when he does, he alters the science and it is no longer
science, but his beliefs.
You cannot interject your supernatural views upon me, ("Will some
predictably lash out in anger and rage again, begging me to leave the
poor atheists alone and stop interjecting other world views into
theirs?") and I find such an attitude as being arrogant and
condescending.
God beliefs can indeed co-exist with the reality of science, just as
belief in Santa Claus can co-exist with our childhood. However, we
grow up, and Santa Claus is no longer an issue, and we learn that
through our intelligence that we can spread cheer and give without the
mystery of a ficticious idea (be it Santa, or Jesus).
Rather than suggest that I re-examine my lack of belief in "your" god
and your "definitions" of "your" god, would you demonstrate that "your"
god is real, because when you do that, I would be justified in
re-examining my lack of belief.
The best response I can make to your request is to ask God to demonstrate to
you personally that He is real. Don't be surprised if it happens when you
least expect it.
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| User: "Milan" |
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29 Nov 2005 05:10:41 PM |
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"Precision" <precision@Usenet.com> wrote in message
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"Jim (LVWB)" <Lakeviewwaterboy@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1133269976.593860.76170@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Science + Religion = Religion
Primack has the right to any beliefs he wishes, but when he is doing
science he cannot allow those beliefs to influence his science;
Because, when he does, he alters the science and it is no longer
science, but his beliefs.
You cannot interject your supernatural views upon me, ("Will some
predictably lash out in anger and rage again, begging me to leave the
poor atheists alone and stop interjecting other world views into
theirs?") and I find such an attitude as being arrogant and
condescending.
God beliefs can indeed co-exist with the reality of science, just as
belief in Santa Claus can co-exist with our childhood. However, we
grow up, and Santa Claus is no longer an issue, and we learn that
through our intelligence that we can spread cheer and give without the
mystery of a ficticious idea (be it Santa, or Jesus).
Rather than suggest that I re-examine my lack of belief in "your" god
and your "definitions" of "your" god, would you demonstrate that "your"
god is real, because when you do that, I would be justified in
re-examining my lack of belief.
The best response I can make to your request is to ask God to demonstrate
to
you personally that He is real. Don't be surprised if it happens when you
least expect it.
Worry not. God seems to have a tendency not to demonstrate its existence at
all.
regards
Milan
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| User: "Precision" |
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30 Nov 2005 11:18:07 PM |
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"Milan" <mtklima@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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"Precision" <precision@Usenet.com> wrote in message
news:1133294786_42637@spool6-east.superfeed.net...
"Jim (LVWB)" <Lakeviewwaterboy@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1133269976.593860.76170@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Science + Religion = Religion
Primack has the right to any beliefs he wishes, but when he is doing
science he cannot allow those beliefs to influence his science;
Because, when he does, he alters the science and it is no longer
science, but his beliefs.
You cannot interject your supernatural views upon me, ("Will some
predictably lash out in anger and rage again, begging me to leave the
poor atheists alone and stop interjecting other world views into
theirs?") and I find such an attitude as being arrogant and
condescending.
God beliefs can indeed co-exist with the reality of science, just as
belief in Santa Claus can co-exist with our childhood. However, we
grow up, and Santa Claus is no longer an issue, and we learn that
through our intelligence that we can spread cheer and give without the
mystery of a ficticious idea (be it Santa, or Jesus).
Rather than suggest that I re-examine my lack of belief in "your" god
and your "definitions" of "your" god, would you demonstrate that "your"
god is real, because when you do that, I would be justified in
re-examining my lack of belief.
The best response I can make to your request is to ask God to demonstrate
to
you personally that He is real. Don't be surprised if it happens when you
least expect it.
Worry not. God seems to have a tendency not to demonstrate its existence
at
all.
regards
Milan
Unfortunately that is true for those who refuse to give God the chance to
prove Himself personally to them.
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| User: "kathryn" |
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| Title: Re: Scientists Say Evolution and Religion Can Coexist |
28 Nov 2005 11:28:52 AM |
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Yes....welcome to the world outside of America where many people have for
many years have accepted evolution and believed in god.
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| User: "Opie" |
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28 Nov 2005 11:58:53 AM |
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On Mon, 28 Nov 2005 17:28:52 +0000 (UTC),
"kathryn" <nospam@here.com> wrote:
Yes....welcome to the world outside of America
where many people have for
many years have accepted evolution and believed in
god.
Actually, they coexist here in America for the
most part. The extremist on both sides create an
atmosphere that's easily exploited by the press so
it seems that everyone is at odds with one another
when, in fact, the vast majority in the middle
quietly let both sides vent and keep about their
business.
More interesting perhaps, is the fact that a
substantial number of people here believe in
aliens from other planets. I forgot the numbers
but, when I saw them, I was a bit gobsmacked.
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| User: "kathryn" |
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28 Nov 2005 12:35:33 PM |
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"Opie" <O_Taylor@MayberryRFD.com> wrote in message
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On Mon, 28 Nov 2005 17:28:52 +0000 (UTC),
"kathryn" <nospam@here.com> wrote:
Yes....welcome to the world outside of America
where many people have for
many years have accepted evolution and believed in
god.
Actually, they coexist here in America for the
most part. The extremist on both sides create an
atmosphere that's easily exploited by the press so
it seems that everyone is at odds with one another
when, in fact, the vast majority in the middle
quietly let both sides vent and keep about their
business.
Ah I know ;) but in keeping with the "revelation" style of the original post
More interesting perhaps, is the fact that a
substantial number of people here believe in
aliens from other planets. I forgot the numbers
but, when I saw them, I was a bit gobsmacked.
's more believable than the god theory anyways.
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