Christopher A. Lee wrote:

On 29 Nov 2005

EINSTEIN: Well, I do not think that it is necessarily the case that
science and religion are natural opposites. In fact, I think that
there is a very close connection between the two. Further, I think
that science without religion is lame and, conversely, that religion
without science is blind. Both are important and should work
hand-in-hand. It seems to me that whoever doesn't wonder about
the truth in religion and in science might as well be dead.

Then I would suspect the interviewer misreported him.

Because Einstein (like any other scientist) knew that science is
completely independent of religion.

I don't think there is any misquoting in the above. Einstein used
"religious" in a special sense, namely a wonderment at and
wondering about the fundamental nature of the universe,
even though he didn't think that fundamental nature in any
way resembled the personal God of the usual religions.

But that wonderment is _all_ that he meant by "religious"
(see the collection of quotes I posted to this thread); he
is saying above that science without "wonder" is blind.

It is both ignorant and dishonest for the fundies to quote
only the sound-bites, disregarding the wider context of
Einstein's talk of religion, and to present him as a believer
in their God construct.

Chimp

Christopher A. Lee wrote:

On 29 Nov 2005

EINSTEIN: Well, I do not think that it is necessarily the case that
science and religion are natural opposites. In fact, I think that
there is a very close connection between the two. Further, I think
that science without religion is lame and, conversely, that religion
without science is blind. Both are important and should work
hand-in-hand. It seems to me that whoever doesn't wonder about
the truth in religion and in science might as well be dead.

Then I would suspect the interviewer misreported him.

Because Einstein (like any other scientist) knew that science is
completely independent of religion.

I don't think there is any misquoting in the above. Einstein used
"religious" in a special sense, namely a wonderment at and
wondering about the fundamental nature of the universe,
even though he didn't think that fundamental nature in any
way resembled the personal God of the usual religions.

But that wonderment is _all_ that he meant by "religious"
(see the collection of quotes I posted to this thread); he
is saying above that science without "wonder" is blind.

It is both ignorant and dishonest for the fundies to quote
only the sound-bites, disregarding the wider context of
Einstein's talk of religion, and to present him as a believer
in their God construct.

Chimp

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"Science without religion is lame; religion without science is
blind." -Albert Einstein

yeah, what can you say now, atheists? a scientist, one of the
greatest... says... that god prolly does exist. i guess you hate
einstein for that, am i right atheists?

Personally I say, read a bit more about what Einstein meant,
not just the sound-bite.

sorry. afaik, einstein said... something like this (this is not a
quote); the more i get involved in science, the less reason i have
not to believe in god's existance. something like that... look it up.

So I give you a large number of actual quotes (citing sources)
and you ignore and snip those and respond with a
half-remembered non-quote with no cite, and you want _me_
to look it up?? Sorry, if you think Einstein said or believed
anything like that then produce proper documentation of it please.

sorry, i replied in that manner cause you posted only quotes
that go hand in hand with atheism.

The fact that you don't like these quotes doesn't make them invalid.

Here are a couple of _genuine_ Einstein quotes again:

"The more a man is imbued with the ordered regularity of all events
the firmer becomes his conviction that there is no room left by the
side of this ordered regularity for causes of a different nature. For
him neither the rule of human nor the rule of divine will exists as an
independent cause of natural events. To be sure, the doctrine of a
personal God interfering with natural events could never be refuted,
in the real sense, by science, for this doctrine can always take
refuge in those domains in which scientific knowledge has not yet
been able to set foot." "Einstein's Ideas and Opinions", pp.41 - 49.

"My position concerning God is that of an agnostic. I am convinced
that a vivid consciousness of the primary importance of moral
principles for the betterment and ennoblement of life does not need
the idea of a law-giver, especially a law-giver who works on the
basis of reward and punishment.
Letter to M. Berkowitz, October 25, 1950; Einstein Archive 59-215

"I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but
have expressed it clearly. If something is in me which can be called
religious then it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the
world so far as our science can reveal it." "Albert Einstein: The
Human Side", Princeton University Press.

"As the first way out there was religion, which is implanted into
every child by way of the traditional education-machine. Thus I came -
though the child of entirely irreligious (Jewish) parents - to a deep
religiousness, which, however, reached an abrupt end at the age of
twelve. Through the reading of popular scientific books I soon reached
the conviction that much in the stories of the Bible could not be
true. The consequence was a positively fanatic orgy of freethinking
coupled with the impression that youth is intentionally being deceived
by the state through lies; it was a crushing impression. Mistrust of
every kind of authority grew out of this experience, a skeptical
attitude toward the convictions that were alive in any specific social
environment-an attitude that has never again left me, even though,
later on, it has been tempered by a better insight into the causal
connections." Albert Einstein's Autobiographical Notes,
Open Court Publishing Company, LaSalle and Chicago, Illinois,
1979. These paragraphs appear on pp 3 & 5.

yes, all the quotes that support the notion that thereis no god. how
very mature of you, chimp.

Pot calling the kettle black! They were quotes about Einstein's own
position. The fact that you don't like it is too bad. Here's another one
for you that you wont like either:

"I received your letter of June 10th. I have never talked to a Jesuit
priest in my life and I am astonished by the audacity to tell such lies
about me. From the viewpoint of a Jesuit priest I am, of course, and have
always been an atheist. Your counter-arguments seem to me very correct and
could hardly be better formulated. It is always misleading to use
anthropomorphical concepts in dealing with things outside the human
sphere-childish analogies. We have to admire in humility the beautiful
harmony of the structure of this world as far-as we can grasp it. And that
is all."

Albert Einstein, to Guy H. Raner Jr., July 2, 1945, responding to a rumor
that a Jesuit priest had caused Einstein to convert from atheism.

This quote and those given to you by chimp were written in Einstein's own
hand.

be what someone claims Einstein said to them in an interview.

In any case Einstein's or anyone else personal beliefs don't lend anything
to establishing the existence or not of supernatural beings. Only
verifiable evidence can do that. Here it is again in capitals, the word you
are terrified of. EVIDENCE.